Survival bias is the the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. The article is riddled with “survival bias”. It makes any conclusion it tries to reach worthless.
The classic example of survival bias comes from WW2 when engineers studied damaged planes to identify where extra armour was needed, and where armour could be removed to balance the weight. The most bullet-riddled parts were the obvious candidates for more armour, and less armour for the less damaged parts. What was overlooked was that these planes had survived despite these bullet holes, it was bullet holes in the undamaged parts that destroyed planes, and those destroyed planes didn’t make it home to be looked at by engineers. The benefit of the existing armour was less obvious because of survival bias.
When the authors write “we’ve already discovered that it is impossible to use them in response to Putin’s old-fashioned ground war in Ukraine, or even to his direct nuclear threats. The game is not worth the candle” they are ignoring all the possible Russia-Ukraine war scenarios prevented by possessing nuclear weapons.
When the authors suggest Israel’s Iron Dome has been overwhelmed, they ignore the larger heavier rocket attacks that would be possible without it.
It is pure academic cant (actually in this case professional lobbying by a family dynasty) to suggest because a solution to one problem doesn’t solve all problems then the solution must be worthless.
If Hezbollah properly join the fray then I think the Iron Dome could well be overwhelmed. I don’t think it has been fully tested yet. I’d then be worried that Israel may find themselves tempted to use some kind of ‘tactical’ nuclear weapon as their only option against an opponent possibly rather less averse to losses than they may be.
Yep, if Hezbollah really has 100,000 rockets deeply dug in in southern Lebanon, then tactical nuclear weapons might be the best way to destroy them in mass.
Israel might use drones to set fire to Iran’s oil export terminal on Kharg Island. It’s the source of the money that funds the terrorists throughout the Middle East. Or Israel could just nuke it in response to a Hezbollah attack, sending a message to all the terrorists.
“(actually in this case professional lobbying by a family dynasty)”
Yes, that’s what struck me most about this article. This type of self-serving article reflects badly on Unherd.
No. They present some interesting hypotheses, some of which ring true. Just because they’re in the business, it doesn’t mean their points aren’t valid. In fact, it suggests that they know a lot about their subject – more than you or I.
An accurate assessment of the flawed logic of this article.
Both authors claim to have been aides to US presidents.
I can only say, God help us if any western government is currently employing “experts” of similar quality.
What you say about survivor bias is true so far as it goes, but I don’t think that’s the relevant issue here. Their point about the ratio is sound enough. There are times – such as 1914-17 – when the technology of defence (magazine rifles, MGs, barbed wire, railway-delivered reinforcements) stymies conventional attack. Then, as in 1918, new technologies and tactics arrive (creeping barrages, tanks, specialised close support aircraft, sub-machine guns and small unit tactics) that crack the problem. This may be one of those periods where the technology of attack gets ahead, again (though on a strategic level, continuous satellite recon seems to be pushing in the opposite direction in Ukraine).
If Hamas can get four (even of 100) heavy explosive rockets past Iron Dome and onto Israel for a total cost of $60,000, while simultaneously burning $5 million of US taxpayers money, they will, quite rationally, see that as a good rate of exchange. As Stalin put it, quantity has a quality all of its own.
I don’t think the precise details matter. The fundamental thesis is correct. Our centralised military organisation and its costly hardware is best suited to dealing with similarly organised (i.e. state) adversaries. They are not well suited to dealing with numerous dispersed adversaries.
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It is the dilemma of asymmetric warfare: The large centralised power must either expend huge effort to defend against a small threat, or resort to annihilation or terrorising the supporting population of the dispersed adversary. This was why Sherman wreaked so much wanton destruction of the south despite the final defeat of the Confederate state army in the American Civil War.
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Think about the cost of the centralised approach to preventing another 9/11 type attack. Quite apart from the cost of bureaucracies like the TSA, every commercial flight we take requires subjects us to humiliating civil-liberty violating security theatre.
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New technologies have lowered the cost to small actors of inflicting disproportionate damage to large actors.
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Ultimately, the economics of warfare govern how states are organised. For 500 years mass production techniques and the economies of scale caused states to coalesce into large and larger entities, but that peaked in the mid 20th century. Since then, the optimal balance has been tipping back towards smaller political entities, and advances in technology are dramatically reducing that optimal size.
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All such transitions produce havoc as the beneficiaries of the old structures try desperately to keep their privileges.
Also the slight contradiction in the article about Iran’s modern satellite technology with the cost of this cannot be cheap. We are witnessing an arms race between offensive and defensive capability within Ukraine and Isreal. For example Laser weapons have the potential to redress the cost of expensive missile defence against cheap homemade missiles and drones. There has been an obvious major mistake in intelligence but is this a problem of tech?
Well looks like the experts are no good at peace negotiation.
Does not seem like they even consider that position.
All that technology for what ? Endless war ?
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Mark Goodhand
10 months ago
What nonsense is this?
“We still believe that having nuclear weapons is always the answer, even though we’ve already discovered that it is impossible to use them in response to Putin’s old-fashioned ground war in Ukraine”
Yes my thoughts exactly. There were several other strange comments in the article. It’s as if the authors aren’t aware of “MAD” etc, and have only just realised the difference between conventional war and terrorism.
George Venning
10 months ago
What if the facial recognition technology on the Noor 3 satellite was used to determine when the Israelis were looking relaxed and then attack when their guard was down?
FFS Maybe it was possible to infer that the Israelis weren’t expecting trouble by some other, less sophisticated, means – the decision to organise a music festival within a mile of a heavily fortified border perhaps.
The answers to the Israel-Palestine problem and the Russia-Ukraine problem and the China-Taiwan problem, among many others, aren’t technological or even military. They are, ultimately, political.
As long as great powers seek to resolve political injustice primarily through military means, all of these problems will get worse and will continue to generate ever more horrific destructive technologies with their horrifying side-effects. The authors are right about that at least.
Even the end of the Cold War is scarcely a great advertisement for this strategy and for the same reason. Star Wars may have contributed to the collapse of the USSR but the determination of the west to strip its assets and further immiserate the population afterwards, has lead, pretty directly to the re-emergence of Russia as a resentful and hostile power – just like Germany in the aftermath of WWI. Contrast that with the treatment of Germany after WWII and you see the immensity of the lost opportunity here.
As long as great powers seek to resolve political injustice primarily through military means…
When has political injustice ever NOT been ultimately determined by military might? Ans: Never. the determination of the west to strip its assets and further immiserate the population afterwards
The West actually reached out to Russia and its former satellites to help. It was internal Russian oligarchs and criminals who stripped it assets, not Western governments or private companies/individuals.
Get the facts right and you might have an argument.
To your first question, I think you could respectably argue that the Good Friday agreement was a pretty effective example of a political settlement which, at the very least, de-fanged quite an unpleasant conflict. Similarly, the end of apartheid South Africa, was a recent striking example of a conflict that ended with a reconciliation process rather than the blood-letting that many would have predicted to follow. Neither of them perfect of course, but perhaps we could agree that the decision to “settle” either conflict militarily would have been much worse.
As to the fate of Russia after the Cold War. Yes, it was internal oligarchs and their bully boy gangsters, who looted everything that wasn’t nailed down (and plenty that was). But why was so much of the Soviet state available for looting in the first place? It was because of the decision to sell it all off immediately at knock-down prices to people who barely had two kopeks to rub together – the “shock doctrine”. And where Yegor Gaidar get that helpful idea? Where did the phalanxes of economic advisors who helped him do it come from? Oh yes. From the West. And where did all the money that was so ruthlessly extracted from Russia end up? In the West.
After WWI, the victorious powers looted a prostrate Germany through reparations both in cash and in kind – leaving the Germans frustrated, impoverished and desperate to break out of permanent subservience. Leading to even greater conflict.
After WWII, the Americans provided incredibly generous support all across western Europe to re-build industries, modernise factories and so on. A generation or two later, the western nations that had fought for centuries were transformed into the world’s squishiest boc of peacenik surrender-monkeys with some of the highest standards of living the world has ever seen.
I’m simplifying and the parallels are not exact but which of these two patterns does the demise of the Soviet Union most closely resemble?
You forget that Garmany and Japan unconditionally surrendered to end ww2.
Russia is still peddling the myth of Great Patriotic War and claims ww2 started in 1941.
Whereas it was Russia as ally of Germany which started ww2 and kept supplying Germany with war material till June 1941.
I am sure that West bankers facilitated Russian oligarchs.
But other countries like Poland or Czech Republic didn’t follow the same path.
The same goes for China.
So what happened and is happening in Russia is Russians fault.
Tsarism, Communism or Putinism, it is always the same Russian genocidal imperialism, poverty and violence.
No it was the refusal of Bush Senior and his running dogs Major, Kohl & Co to let the newly non communist Russia join the world banking and currency system. I empathise with the US decision as Russia is so resource rich it can out-starve any other polity BUT if you assumem the other guy is going to screw you and you do it first you are guaranteeing an outcome. My experience in negotiation leads me to think in all but the clearest situations you give the other party a way out so that a compromise pre war, litigation, non -payment etc remains an option. I have outlasted 90+% of my competitors using this method – they collect business enemies like i collect cars and concert tickets LOL
The author of this article is wildly mistaken in even imagining that the Noor-3 satellite could do facial recognition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_(satellite) states that it weighs 24 kg and that the camera has an image resolution of 6 to 4.8 metres. There’s no such thing as “footage”, meaning video, from a satellite at 450 km elevation. Such satellites produce still images from scanning across terrain, whenever they happen to pass over an area of interest, which might take weeks due to the orbit not being subject to change.
The ability of masses of cheap missiles or drones to overwhelm very expensive defenses is important. Likewise the ability for a ~$1M hypersonic missile to disable an aircraft carrier. However, this author is not always, or perhaps ever, dealing with facts. Why, without references, should be believe that an ABM system could work so well as to require 7 x the expenditure by the Russians to overcome it? The assertion that this ratio caused the collapse of Soviet Union is absurd. I am a paying subscriber and find many Unherd articles interesting and valuable. Not this one.
Yes, I find that bit hard to believe. What were they supposed to be doing? Looking up at the sky while sunbathing, with dramatically anxious looks on their faces?
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
The sounds rather like the invincibility of the low tech, ultra cheap English longbow against the expensively equipped chivalry of France.*
However we tend to forget that in the end the French thrashed us by using Milanese armour and field guns, as at Castillon in 1453.
Hamas will remain a dangerous thorn, but nonetheless a thorn, whilst it has access only to primitive weapons. Hamas has only primitive weapons because of Israel’s blockade and incursions into Gaza to destroy Hamas cells.
Hamas would happily trade up to more sophisticated weapons if it could. Give Hamas a state and end the blockade and it will become armed with more sophisticated weapons, and then it will be a knife at the throat of Israel.
A battlefield longbow made of yew with flax or silk string and 60+ perfectly straight arrows was an elite weapon, made by a range of different craftsmen and only usable by a very highly-trained elite. The overall cost of fielding and servicing a corps of archers was enormous.
This article also comes under the 1:7 ratio as the comments are far superior;-)
Malcolm Knott
10 months ago
“Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail.”
Rudyard Kipling: Arithmetic on the frontier.
Christopher Barclay
10 months ago
The author seems confused. Murdering civilians is not the same as winning a war or changing political realities. If anything Hamas’ action will harden Israel’s resolve to stick to force and not to make concessions to the Palestinians in the West Bank. Nor will any other Arab country be any more welcoming of Palestinian refugees. Who would want to give Hamas a home?
My guess is that the IDF knows where the tunnels are or at least has a good idea. The Achilles Heel of tunnels is the need for ventilation. These systems will be accessible above ground.
According to reports, a lot of Israelis think the war shoul be fought without regard too the hostages. One thing that would mean would be to blow up every tunnel opening you find, closing it, preferably with a fuel air explosive that removes as much oxygen from the tunnels as possible.
Abe Stamm
10 months ago
If I had to choose between the collective brain power of the authors of this article and those of the Israeli Defense Forces coupled with Mossad, regarding military intelligence and modern warfare strategies, I’d choose the later.
I am not so sure about that – they were clearly sleeping on the job here, having no clue that Hamas planned an attack of this magnitude. Complacency is the curse of civilisation, as is being overly reliant on technology.
Alex Colchester
10 months ago
A fascinating article and perhaps the only UnHerd article to date that attempts to see the disregarded ‘alternative take’ on the conflict.
All these cheerleaders for heavily armed Namer and other expensive and cumbersome Israeli killing machines are about to realise how vulnerable such items are in dense urban environments.
I can’t believe the IDF is actually considering going into Gaza City on the ground. It’s insane. The place will be riddled with IED’s.
I would have thought the Israelis would be knowledgable about the story of ‘David and Goliath’.
I woul suggest we do the experiment. The IDF has prepared for action in Gaza since 2007. It may have ways to deal with IEDs. However, Hamas possibly uses most of its explosives for rockets, leaving little for IEDs.
Perry de Havilland
10 months ago
“We still believe that having nuclear weapons is always the answer, even though we’ve already discovered that it is impossible to use them in response to Putin’s old-fashioned ground war in Ukraine”
Really? Russian nuclear weapons have worked exactly as intended. The reason Russia is able to brutally attack Ukraine & only find themselves fighting Ukraine, rather than coming face to face with NATO directly, is because Russia has nuclear weapons.
Without the threat of Russia’s nukes, Poland would have militarily ejected Russia from Kaliningrad last year.
Deac Manross
10 months ago
Cheap drones are one thing for warfare’s future, but when I was doing graduate studies in microbiology back in the 1970’s it was not traditional or nuclear war that kept me up at night, it was bio-warfare. Still does. Once developed, cheap and targetable. Whether Wuhan was an accident or a weaponizing way-station along the way matters not. It’s just around the corner in any case.
Martin Johnson
10 months ago
If our military and the academics who support it weren’t such intellectually in-bred fools, all this should have been obvious generations ago. Mao told us all about it and showed how it worked in the 1940s and early 1950s, and Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap repeated the lesson in the 1960s. And Osama bin Laden in the 1990s and early 2000s. And plenty more.
We need to incorporate in our diplomatic and military planning “Red Teams” that are deeply immersed in the cultures of potential adversaries, who can advise on what those people are likely thinking and what capabilities they can bring. We did a bit of this in the late Cold War, but that was like vs. like, Warsaw Pact vs. NATO. We need Red Teas like that for people like China, sure, but we need several more for entities that are really different from us in culture, mindset, goals, and resources, starting with Iran and working from there.
And once we do that, we still must remain humble in the knowledge that no matter what we think we know, there is infinitely more that we don’t know.
All well and good, but what should the Israelis do?
Diplomacy guarantees that the perps are still running the show when the dust settles.
A “surgical” style of urban warfare is not possible; they’ll be shot at from every rooftop. And there is reason to beleive that there are thousands of hidden weapons all over Gaza.
It seems obvious to me that they must destroy the tunnels. To accomplish that they need to empty the landscape of civilians. Because destroying the tunnels means knocking down many, if not most, of the buildings. (The entrances and vents would naturally be hidden in basements and groundfloor storefronts.)
The rest of this tragedy is even more horrible to contemplate…
A D Kent
10 months ago
Haven’t we learned this already given the epic run of defeats suffered by the US since the Second World War. Did ‘we’ not learn it in Vietnam? How about Iraq and Afghanistan?
Re the high-tech weapons, we’ve seen all sorts of boondoggles since Star Wars. We’ve the F-35, the Litoral Combat Ships, the Zuwaldt destroyers, the UK’s Ajax APVs and many more. We’ve seen the West’s technically advanced, but complicated and brittle gear not live up to expectations in Ukraine once the RF got used to them (see the HIMARS, Leopard IIs, Challenges, Bradleys and especially the Patriot missiles). The Iron Dome is probably already on this list now and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Namer tanks joined them soon.
What we haven’t learned is that we have to use our weapons to implement a winning strategy. Guerillas need supplies. Without supplies, they die.
In Vietnam, we waited to bomb and mine North Vietnam’s harbors until December, 1972. If we had done that in 1965 or 1968, it would have been a much easier war to win.
In Afghanistan, we should have eradicated opium poppy fields under Taliban control. They were the source of funding for Taliban supplies.
We eradicated ISIS once we bombed their oil tanker trucks and oil fields, stopping their source of funding for supplies. We also changed the rules of engagement, bombing military targets without regard to human shields.
Under the rules of war, any military installation is a legal target, regardless of whether there are civilians on or near the target. If there are civilians on or near the target, it is the resposibility of the controling authority, ISIS in Iraq and Syria, to move civilians away from military targets. ISIS did the opposite. Eradicating ISIS may have taken 10,000 civilian lives.
“It would have been a much easier war to win”
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the implications of this sentence, but I didn’t think that America won the war in Vietman.
The US lost in Vietnam. We had no chance because we failed to cut off North Vietnam’s supplies until it was too late. My point is that the US could have, possibly would have, won if we had used our superior air power to close those ports in 1965 or even as late as 1968. By 1972, the public in the US had no further patience for the war. Please notice, it took North Vietnam until 1975 to recover from the bombing enough to overrun the South. By that time Congress had cut aid to South Vietnam by 75% and outlawed air strikes in Southeast Asia. In effect, Congress voted to lose the war.
I’m a Vietnam Era veteran, served stateside USAF 1972-1976.
It wasn’t “us” who defeated ISIS, it was Russia who provided that service to humanity.
I am afraid we were the ones funneling ISIS with weaponry via various dodgy so-called “democratic resistance” groups.
Tom Condray
10 months ago
“If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.” comes to mind. I doubt the current tragedy unfolding in the Middle East can really be traced to an over reliance on technology. Rather, the immense weight of media-driven public opinion continuing to insist the Palestinians are oppressed creates the environment wherein those oppressed people can wreak havoc and mayhem.
Israel’s efforts to protect itself from Hamas have been continually challenged and even derided as keeping Gazans from creating prosperity for themselves. The refrain of an intractable, intolerant Israel representing the only obstacle to a functioning, peaceful Palestinian state worked its spell to such an extent that any efforts to remain vigilant and focused on Hamas perfidy were seen as counterproductive.
No matter Hamas continues to insist in it foundational statements that the destruction of Israel is its primary purpose. Like the American correspondent who once said massive crowds of Iranians shouting “Death to America!” were simply repeating a meaningless slogan, world leaders demanded Israelis listen to wiser heads cajoling them into ignore facts and embrace wishes.
We see the result. And, we see the inability of those whose repeated demands for normalization at the borders of Israel and Gaza to accept the reality that Evil exists however much we wish it otherwise. Or, that the appeasers and Israel detractors were the ones who gave birth to this atrocity.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for any acts of contrition from our wiser heads, and the self-appointed leaders who know best.
Contrition, after all, requires remorse.
And remorse requires a conscience.
Simon Neale
10 months ago
The Noor-3, with vastly better cameras than Noor-1 and Noor-2, gave Iran the ability to monitor events on the ground in Israel and Gaza with much greater accuracy and coverage than before. It allowed Iran 24/7 coverage. What if that camera footage was made available to Hamas?
I thought the current received wisdom was that Iran didn’t collaborate with Hamas over the recent attack, and indeed were taken by surprise. Has it changed again?
Anyway, it’s all good news for armchair and academic experts in geopolitics, military strategy, technology, modern history, and ethics.
I am sure there must be a good reason, and I apologise for my ignorance in not knowing what it is, but why is Iran allowed to put satellites into orbit? Would it not be relatively easy for them to suffer a ‘malfunction’ or a regrettable collision with some space junk? Or is that technologically difficult to achieve?
Mike Bell
10 months ago
Another excellent UnHerd article.
Well researched and presented. Thought-provoking. Just what we need.
Alex Colchester
10 months ago
One point I would like clarity on, from someone with such knowledge.
Why didn’t Russia simply spend on developing their own Star Wars defensive system? If, as the author contends it was 7:1 to try and evade Star Wars, by improving one’s own ICBMs to penetrate the defensive US Star Wars system, why not instead of spending the 7 to get through, simply spend the 1 to stop US nukes getting into USSR?
This would have created a game theory environment where neither had any advantage for a 1/7th of the cost.
The Russians were far, far behind in computer development that is necessary for tracking incoming missiles and targeting them with your defensive missiles.
What about from Russian nuclear subs? They could have been a few miles offshore from continental USA, no?
Ben Shipley
10 months ago
A bit slick with the arguments here. Reads like an academic paper, sliding in tasty nuggets of supporting data while ignoring basic realities. Hamas did not defeat Israel, any more than Al Queda defeated the US. And I can’t wait to see all those 3D printers churning out enough weapons to take on the IDF. Articles like this spend more time admiring the pretty bows with which they wrap up their arguments than they do actually researching those arguments. And it shows.
Al queda did defeat the US. Who governs Afghanistan?
Nik Jewell
10 months ago
Thank you. That is by far the best article I have read here about the conflict.
[I’ll spoil that now by saying that I don’t see a clear moral case that the change to a multi-polar world order shouldn’t take place.]
I finally found out, what you were talking about the other day. It is pretty much proven, that the Israelis are supplying arms to Azerbaijan. Guess, “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” in this case. Meanwhile the outrageous ethnic cleansing of the Armenian minority was taking place. Wonder, if the arms supply was the idea of Netanyahu’s government? It seems that many Israelis aren’t ok with this…
Well, the moral case is that no one seems to want it except the bad actors, and it makes major wars, especially nuclear war, far more likely. If the US-led order goes away, every state is going to heed the lesson of Ukraine and realize they MUST have nuclear weapons, or they’re a target for aggression. When you have 50, not particularly stable, mid-sized countries with nukes, the odds that one eventually uses them is very high.
The US-led order is going away whether you like it or not, I’m afraid.
The biggest danger we could actually inflict is a Putin defeat, not the ceding of the Donbas, which is now inevitable. Destabilising Russia is what would lead to their nuclear weapons being spread around the world.
Roberto Sussman
10 months ago
The author misses important points that account (at least partially) on how and why Israel’s defenses became sufficiently vulnerable for Hamas to penetrate its territory with low cost military technology. Not everything is top military technology, the recent turmoil and the incompetence of Israel’s present government weakened overall security. Extreme right wing ideologues play leading government roles, they prioritize settlement of the West Bank, even at the expense of other issues, such as overall security. The most influential leader of this extreme right (Smotrich) has a leading position in security and has dismissed warnings of over all security flaws. Battalions guarding the south were transferred to the West Bank to protect a few messianic settlers. At he same time, politics in 2023 were dominated by massive protests against the government’s attempt to overhaul the Supreme Court, with high tech military personnel failing to report to duty as a way of protesting. While the Hamas attack was not on the horizon, these developments contributed to create the security sinks where Hamas’ terrorism entered.
Josef O
9 months ago
This review is outdated. The Israeli army fought with completely different criteria. So never make predictions about the future.
Steve Hall
10 months ago
At last an informed, sensible article. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the IDF mostly conscripts and reservists, and 40% women? Against hardened, fanatical nothing-to-lose Hamas fighters in a dense urban environment riddled with tunnels? Hezbollah is threatening a multi-front conflict. Syrian militants are still active around the Golan Heights. The IDF are still waiting on the border. The result of the ground war is not cut and dried, and unacceptably high losses would force the IDF to level Gaza City and use bunker-busters. There are tunnels in the southern region of Gaza too, which would have to be dealt with. The resulting deaths and massive refugee crisis would see Israel’s reputation in tatters amongst the global South and East, and support in the West might decline. Bringing in an effective peace-broker would be the sensible option, but that’s highly unlikely. Risky for Likud. Let’s see what they do.
Everyone in Israel, including women, has to do national service. In that sense the IDF is mostly conscripts and reservists, but very well-trained ones. Never forget either, that the Israelis are fighting for their very existence so it isn’t a case of “nothing to lose”, rather one of everything to lose if they don’t fight.
There’s truth in what you say, but, firstly, there’s a substantive difference between being well-trained and fanatical and/or battle-hardened, and, secondly, Israelis are fighting for their abstract existence as a nation. Hamas have upped the ante where they’re willing to sacrifice their bodies. If there is no quick resolution to the ground war – we don’t know what Hamas have in store – how far are Israel wiling to go down that path, possibly now on multiple fronts? Likud have to make a big decision. I don’t envy them. Peace-broking is still possible. Sometimes – although not too often – an escalation of violence, when both sides realise how far their opponents are willing to go, is the most effective time for this. It would save a lot of lives.
Yes Israel is fighting for its existence, but Jewish people can exist outside of Israel, many quite comfortably. I’m sure Australia and the US could fit in a lot.
Jewish people lived quite comfortably in Germany, Russia, Spain, England, etc. until they didn’t. (England expelled the Jews in 1290. Oliver Cromwell, needing financial support, welcomed them back.)
So Australia and the U.S., or wherever you’d like to resettle the Jews, could change their mind. What happens then?
I think you misunderstand of the level of training Israeli women, who are conscripted at age 18, achieve during their 2 years and 4 months of mandatory service:
In a war of the cradle, killing IDF women must count double. Not to face censure for the killing of civilians while you do so is just a bonus.
Peter Johnson
10 months ago
This logic doesn’t work as well if Israel doesn’t care about civilian deaths – or is prepared to use a tactical nuclear weapon on Iran. I think both are possibilities.
Alan Hill
10 months ago
Pump 1000s of tons of sea water into the Hamas tunnels. Should be quite easy and would certainly complicate things for Hamas. Cheap and low tech as well.
I remember in the past Egypt using this exact tactic after insistence to Hamas to not rely on any Egyptian assistance in Hamas’s suicidal war against Israel. From memory, it was used roughly 4 or fewer years ago by Egyptian authorities against Hamas!
William Edward Henry Appleby
10 months ago
It also didn’t help that it was a Jewish holiday that weekend, and many border guard soldiers were on leave. Too much reliance on a wall as well as tech.
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Tyler Durden
10 months ago
Many must be thinking about a military paradigm shift in which the territory is razed to the ground in a series of nuclear interventions – a Gaza emptied above ground then literally erased.
Of course, this has not been tried since the end of World War II but the technology has moved on. If the Gazan population is moved to the south and then most across the Egyptian border, then the tactical battlefield device may even be tried.
Egypt might have something to say about that. If Egypt wanted Gaza, it would have Gaza because *Gaza was formerly a part of Egypt*. Obviously they don’t want that kind of trouble.
T M Murray
10 months ago
This article seems to miss the point. Its focus is exclusively the means. I can’t help but think that so much of what happens in the world is a by-product of infantile male fantasies of omnipotence (“boys and their toys”) and this article only confirms that gut-level instinct. The focus should not really be on which toys get used, but whether any should be used at all, and if so, who benefits? When the dust settles, let’s look at what has been achieved by these means. Then and only then can we analyse whether using them was worthwhile.
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Phil Re
9 months ago
As it applies to the present conflict, the authors’ analysis overlooks two important considerations. First, it doesn’t consider the cost of the tunnels themselves. The tunnels were integral to Hamas’s assessment that it could offset Israel’s conventional advantages, and they were not cheap! Second, Hamas’s situation is unusual in that it’s almost entirely dependent on the patronage of Iran and Qatar, and on diverting massive amounts of foreign aid from international bodies. It has never had to count costs in the same way that the US and the USSR did.
Survival bias is the the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. The article is riddled with “survival bias”. It makes any conclusion it tries to reach worthless.
The classic example of survival bias comes from WW2 when engineers studied damaged planes to identify where extra armour was needed, and where armour could be removed to balance the weight. The most bullet-riddled parts were the obvious candidates for more armour, and less armour for the less damaged parts. What was overlooked was that these planes had survived despite these bullet holes, it was bullet holes in the undamaged parts that destroyed planes, and those destroyed planes didn’t make it home to be looked at by engineers. The benefit of the existing armour was less obvious because of survival bias.
When the authors write “we’ve already discovered that it is impossible to use them in response to Putin’s old-fashioned ground war in Ukraine, or even to his direct nuclear threats. The game is not worth the candle” they are ignoring all the possible Russia-Ukraine war scenarios prevented by possessing nuclear weapons.
When the authors suggest Israel’s Iron Dome has been overwhelmed, they ignore the larger heavier rocket attacks that would be possible without it.
It is pure academic cant (actually in this case professional lobbying by a family dynasty) to suggest because a solution to one problem doesn’t solve all problems then the solution must be worthless.
If Hezbollah properly join the fray then I think the Iron Dome could well be overwhelmed. I don’t think it has been fully tested yet. I’d then be worried that Israel may find themselves tempted to use some kind of ‘tactical’ nuclear weapon as their only option against an opponent possibly rather less averse to losses than they may be.
Yep, if Hezbollah really has 100,000 rockets deeply dug in in southern Lebanon, then tactical nuclear weapons might be the best way to destroy them in mass.
Israel might use drones to set fire to Iran’s oil export terminal on Kharg Island. It’s the source of the money that funds the terrorists throughout the Middle East. Or Israel could just nuke it in response to a Hezbollah attack, sending a message to all the terrorists.
“(actually in this case professional lobbying by a family dynasty)”
Yes, that’s what struck me most about this article. This type of self-serving article reflects badly on Unherd.
No. They present some interesting hypotheses, some of which ring true. Just because they’re in the business, it doesn’t mean their points aren’t valid. In fact, it suggests that they know a lot about their subject – more than you or I.
Agreed. Sounds like an evasion to me. First thing I ask myself when I hear such arguments is, what are they trying to sell me.
An accurate assessment of the flawed logic of this article.
Both authors claim to have been aides to US presidents.
I can only say, God help us if any western government is currently employing “experts” of similar quality.
Just because they are saying this to us, doesn’t mean they would say it to the president.
The liquid/glycol cooled Merlin engines in the Lancaster didn’t help,
as shown by how much ‘safer’ the Bristol-Hercules radials were in the Halifax.
What you say about survivor bias is true so far as it goes, but I don’t think that’s the relevant issue here. Their point about the ratio is sound enough. There are times – such as 1914-17 – when the technology of defence (magazine rifles, MGs, barbed wire, railway-delivered reinforcements) stymies conventional attack. Then, as in 1918, new technologies and tactics arrive (creeping barrages, tanks, specialised close support aircraft, sub-machine guns and small unit tactics) that crack the problem. This may be one of those periods where the technology of attack gets ahead, again (though on a strategic level, continuous satellite recon seems to be pushing in the opposite direction in Ukraine).
If Hamas can get four (even of 100) heavy explosive rockets past Iron Dome and onto Israel for a total cost of $60,000, while simultaneously burning $5 million of US taxpayers money, they will, quite rationally, see that as a good rate of exchange. As Stalin put it, quantity has a quality all of its own.
I don’t think the precise details matter. The fundamental thesis is correct. Our centralised military organisation and its costly hardware is best suited to dealing with similarly organised (i.e. state) adversaries. They are not well suited to dealing with numerous dispersed adversaries.
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It is the dilemma of asymmetric warfare: The large centralised power must either expend huge effort to defend against a small threat, or resort to annihilation or terrorising the supporting population of the dispersed adversary. This was why Sherman wreaked so much wanton destruction of the south despite the final defeat of the Confederate state army in the American Civil War.
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Think about the cost of the centralised approach to preventing another 9/11 type attack. Quite apart from the cost of bureaucracies like the TSA, every commercial flight we take requires subjects us to humiliating civil-liberty violating security theatre.
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New technologies have lowered the cost to small actors of inflicting disproportionate damage to large actors.
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Ultimately, the economics of warfare govern how states are organised. For 500 years mass production techniques and the economies of scale caused states to coalesce into large and larger entities, but that peaked in the mid 20th century. Since then, the optimal balance has been tipping back towards smaller political entities, and advances in technology are dramatically reducing that optimal size.
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All such transitions produce havoc as the beneficiaries of the old structures try desperately to keep their privileges.
Also the slight contradiction in the article about Iran’s modern satellite technology with the cost of this cannot be cheap. We are witnessing an arms race between offensive and defensive capability within Ukraine and Isreal. For example Laser weapons have the potential to redress the cost of expensive missile defence against cheap homemade missiles and drones. There has been an obvious major mistake in intelligence but is this a problem of tech?
Well looks like the experts are no good at peace negotiation.
Does not seem like they even consider that position.
All that technology for what ? Endless war ?
What nonsense is this?
“We still believe that having nuclear weapons is always the answer, even though we’ve already discovered that it is impossible to use them in response to Putin’s old-fashioned ground war in Ukraine”
That’s not why we have nuclear weapons.
If you want to find out why we have nuclear weapons, just look at Ukraine. Putin would never have invaded a nuclear equipped Ukraine.
And the west guaranteed their borders when they gave up their nukes.
Yes my thoughts exactly. There were several other strange comments in the article. It’s as if the authors aren’t aware of “MAD” etc, and have only just realised the difference between conventional war and terrorism.
What if the facial recognition technology on the Noor 3 satellite was used to determine when the Israelis were looking relaxed and then attack when their guard was down?
FFS
Maybe it was possible to infer that the Israelis weren’t expecting trouble by some other, less sophisticated, means – the decision to organise a music festival within a mile of a heavily fortified border perhaps.
The answers to the Israel-Palestine problem and the Russia-Ukraine problem and the China-Taiwan problem, among many others, aren’t technological or even military. They are, ultimately, political.
As long as great powers seek to resolve political injustice primarily through military means, all of these problems will get worse and will continue to generate ever more horrific destructive technologies with their horrifying side-effects. The authors are right about that at least.
Even the end of the Cold War is scarcely a great advertisement for this strategy and for the same reason. Star Wars may have contributed to the collapse of the USSR but the determination of the west to strip its assets and further immiserate the population afterwards, has lead, pretty directly to the re-emergence of Russia as a resentful and hostile power – just like Germany in the aftermath of WWI. Contrast that with the treatment of Germany after WWII and you see the immensity of the lost opportunity here.
As long as great powers seek to resolve political injustice primarily through military means…
When has political injustice ever NOT been ultimately determined by military might? Ans: Never.
the determination of the west to strip its assets and further immiserate the population afterwards
The West actually reached out to Russia and its former satellites to help. It was internal Russian oligarchs and criminals who stripped it assets, not Western governments or private companies/individuals.
Get the facts right and you might have an argument.
To your first question, I think you could respectably argue that the Good Friday agreement was a pretty effective example of a political settlement which, at the very least, de-fanged quite an unpleasant conflict. Similarly, the end of apartheid South Africa, was a recent striking example of a conflict that ended with a reconciliation process rather than the blood-letting that many would have predicted to follow. Neither of them perfect of course, but perhaps we could agree that the decision to “settle” either conflict militarily would have been much worse.
As to the fate of Russia after the Cold War. Yes, it was internal oligarchs and their bully boy gangsters, who looted everything that wasn’t nailed down (and plenty that was). But why was so much of the Soviet state available for looting in the first place? It was because of the decision to sell it all off immediately at knock-down prices to people who barely had two kopeks to rub together – the “shock doctrine”. And where Yegor Gaidar get that helpful idea? Where did the phalanxes of economic advisors who helped him do it come from? Oh yes. From the West. And where did all the money that was so ruthlessly extracted from Russia end up? In the West.
After WWI, the victorious powers looted a prostrate Germany through reparations both in cash and in kind – leaving the Germans frustrated, impoverished and desperate to break out of permanent subservience. Leading to even greater conflict.
After WWII, the Americans provided incredibly generous support all across western Europe to re-build industries, modernise factories and so on. A generation or two later, the western nations that had fought for centuries were transformed into the world’s squishiest boc of peacenik surrender-monkeys with some of the highest standards of living the world has ever seen.
I’m simplifying and the parallels are not exact but which of these two patterns does the demise of the Soviet Union most closely resemble?
Decadence is a ‘thing’.
Certainly. But, if you had to choose war or decadence for your children, it isn’t even close.
(Not that I think that is actually the choice)
You forget that Garmany and Japan unconditionally surrendered to end ww2.
Russia is still peddling the myth of Great Patriotic War and claims ww2 started in 1941.
Whereas it was Russia as ally of Germany which started ww2 and kept supplying Germany with war material till June 1941.
I am sure that West bankers facilitated Russian oligarchs.
But other countries like Poland or Czech Republic didn’t follow the same path.
The same goes for China.
So what happened and is happening in Russia is Russians fault.
Tsarism, Communism or Putinism, it is always the same Russian genocidal imperialism, poverty and violence.
No it was the refusal of Bush Senior and his running dogs Major, Kohl & Co to let the newly non communist Russia join the world banking and currency system. I empathise with the US decision as Russia is so resource rich it can out-starve any other polity BUT if you assumem the other guy is going to screw you and you do it first you are guaranteeing an outcome. My experience in negotiation leads me to think in all but the clearest situations you give the other party a way out so that a compromise pre war, litigation, non -payment etc remains an option. I have outlasted 90+% of my competitors using this method – they collect business enemies like i collect cars and concert tickets LOL
Precisely how many 18th century European Wars were fought, with nearly everyone getting a ‘prize’.
The author of this article is wildly mistaken in even imagining that the Noor-3 satellite could do facial recognition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_(satellite) states that it weighs 24 kg and that the camera has an image resolution of 6 to 4.8 metres. There’s no such thing as “footage”, meaning video, from a satellite at 450 km elevation. Such satellites produce still images from scanning across terrain, whenever they happen to pass over an area of interest, which might take weeks due to the orbit not being subject to change.
The ability of masses of cheap missiles or drones to overwhelm very expensive defenses is important. Likewise the ability for a ~$1M hypersonic missile to disable an aircraft carrier. However, this author is not always, or perhaps ever, dealing with facts. Why, without references, should be believe that an ABM system could work so well as to require 7 x the expenditure by the Russians to overcome it? The assertion that this ratio caused the collapse of Soviet Union is absurd. I am a paying subscriber and find many Unherd articles interesting and valuable. Not this one.
I work in the defense field and much of what they say is very true and actually important.
Yes, I find that bit hard to believe. What were they supposed to be doing? Looking up at the sky while sunbathing, with dramatically anxious looks on their faces?
The sounds rather like the invincibility of the low tech, ultra cheap English longbow against the expensively equipped chivalry of France.*
However we tend to forget that in the end the French thrashed us by using Milanese armour and field guns, as at Castillon in 1453.
(*Battles of C,P,A and V.)
Hamas will remain a dangerous thorn, but nonetheless a thorn, whilst it has access only to primitive weapons. Hamas has only primitive weapons because of Israel’s blockade and incursions into Gaza to destroy Hamas cells.
Hamas would happily trade up to more sophisticated weapons if it could. Give Hamas a state and end the blockade and it will become armed with more sophisticated weapons, and then it will be a knife at the throat of Israel.
A battlefield longbow made of yew with flax or silk string and 60+ perfectly straight arrows was an elite weapon, made by a range of different craftsmen and only usable by a very highly-trained elite. The overall cost of fielding and servicing a corps of archers was enormous.
But cheaper than a Milanese armoured horsemen and field and siege artillery.
Possibly, but not “low tech, ultra-cheap”. Quite the reverse.
Wasn’t it the Welsh longbow?
Of course it was. This is what I mean about bending history to suit the argument.
Indeed, history often comes round to bite you in the Butt.
I agree ‘we’ pinched it off the Welsh!
Welsh and English
The ‘tragedy’ of the Battle of Castillon was that nobody leant the lessons of the Battle of Formigny three years previous.
“Old habits die hard”.
This article also comes under the 1:7 ratio as the comments are far superior;-)
“Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail.”
Rudyard Kipling: Arithmetic on the frontier.
The author seems confused. Murdering civilians is not the same as winning a war or changing political realities. If anything Hamas’ action will harden Israel’s resolve to stick to force and not to make concessions to the Palestinians in the West Bank. Nor will any other Arab country be any more welcoming of Palestinian refugees. Who would want to give Hamas a home?
My guess is that the IDF knows where the tunnels are or at least has a good idea. The Achilles Heel of tunnels is the need for ventilation. These systems will be accessible above ground.
According to reports, a lot of Israelis think the war shoul be fought without regard too the hostages. One thing that would mean would be to blow up every tunnel opening you find, closing it, preferably with a fuel air explosive that removes as much oxygen from the tunnels as possible.
If I had to choose between the collective brain power of the authors of this article and those of the Israeli Defense Forces coupled with Mossad, regarding military intelligence and modern warfare strategies, I’d choose the later.
I am not so sure about that – they were clearly sleeping on the job here, having no clue that Hamas planned an attack of this magnitude. Complacency is the curse of civilisation, as is being overly reliant on technology.
A fascinating article and perhaps the only UnHerd article to date that attempts to see the disregarded ‘alternative take’ on the conflict.
All these cheerleaders for heavily armed Namer and other expensive and cumbersome Israeli killing machines are about to realise how vulnerable such items are in dense urban environments.
I can’t believe the IDF is actually considering going into Gaza City on the ground. It’s insane. The place will be riddled with IED’s.
I would have thought the Israelis would be knowledgable about the story of ‘David and Goliath’.
I woul suggest we do the experiment. The IDF has prepared for action in Gaza since 2007. It may have ways to deal with IEDs. However, Hamas possibly uses most of its explosives for rockets, leaving little for IEDs.
Really? Russian nuclear weapons have worked exactly as intended. The reason Russia is able to brutally attack Ukraine & only find themselves fighting Ukraine, rather than coming face to face with NATO directly, is because Russia has nuclear weapons.
Without the threat of Russia’s nukes, Poland would have militarily ejected Russia from Kaliningrad last year.
Cheap drones are one thing for warfare’s future, but when I was doing graduate studies in microbiology back in the 1970’s it was not traditional or nuclear war that kept me up at night, it was bio-warfare. Still does. Once developed, cheap and targetable. Whether Wuhan was an accident or a weaponizing way-station along the way matters not. It’s just around the corner in any case.
If our military and the academics who support it weren’t such intellectually in-bred fools, all this should have been obvious generations ago. Mao told us all about it and showed how it worked in the 1940s and early 1950s, and Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap repeated the lesson in the 1960s. And Osama bin Laden in the 1990s and early 2000s. And plenty more.
We need to incorporate in our diplomatic and military planning “Red Teams” that are deeply immersed in the cultures of potential adversaries, who can advise on what those people are likely thinking and what capabilities they can bring. We did a bit of this in the late Cold War, but that was like vs. like, Warsaw Pact vs. NATO. We need Red Teas like that for people like China, sure, but we need several more for entities that are really different from us in culture, mindset, goals, and resources, starting with Iran and working from there.
And once we do that, we still must remain humble in the knowledge that no matter what we think we know, there is infinitely more that we don’t know.
When the US invaded Iraq the Pentagon hardly had any Arabic speakers..
Unknown unknowns?
All well and good, but what should the Israelis do?
Diplomacy guarantees that the perps are still running the show when the dust settles.
A “surgical” style of urban warfare is not possible; they’ll be shot at from every rooftop. And there is reason to beleive that there are thousands of hidden weapons all over Gaza.
It seems obvious to me that they must destroy the tunnels. To accomplish that they need to empty the landscape of civilians. Because destroying the tunnels means knocking down many, if not most, of the buildings. (The entrances and vents would naturally be hidden in basements and groundfloor storefronts.)
The rest of this tragedy is even more horrible to contemplate…
Haven’t we learned this already given the epic run of defeats suffered by the US since the Second World War. Did ‘we’ not learn it in Vietnam? How about Iraq and Afghanistan?
Re the high-tech weapons, we’ve seen all sorts of boondoggles since Star Wars. We’ve the F-35, the Litoral Combat Ships, the Zuwaldt destroyers, the UK’s Ajax APVs and many more. We’ve seen the West’s technically advanced, but complicated and brittle gear not live up to expectations in Ukraine once the RF got used to them (see the HIMARS, Leopard IIs, Challenges, Bradleys and especially the Patriot missiles). The Iron Dome is probably already on this list now and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Namer tanks joined them soon.
Perhaps, but think about all the money that was made building them!
What we haven’t learned is that we have to use our weapons to implement a winning strategy. Guerillas need supplies. Without supplies, they die.
In Vietnam, we waited to bomb and mine North Vietnam’s harbors until December, 1972. If we had done that in 1965 or 1968, it would have been a much easier war to win.
In Afghanistan, we should have eradicated opium poppy fields under Taliban control. They were the source of funding for Taliban supplies.
We eradicated ISIS once we bombed their oil tanker trucks and oil fields, stopping their source of funding for supplies. We also changed the rules of engagement, bombing military targets without regard to human shields.
Under the rules of war, any military installation is a legal target, regardless of whether there are civilians on or near the target. If there are civilians on or near the target, it is the resposibility of the controling authority, ISIS in Iraq and Syria, to move civilians away from military targets. ISIS did the opposite. Eradicating ISIS may have taken 10,000 civilian lives.
“It would have been a much easier war to win”
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the implications of this sentence, but I didn’t think that America won the war in Vietman.
The US lost in Vietnam. We had no chance because we failed to cut off North Vietnam’s supplies until it was too late. My point is that the US could have, possibly would have, won if we had used our superior air power to close those ports in 1965 or even as late as 1968. By 1972, the public in the US had no further patience for the war. Please notice, it took North Vietnam until 1975 to recover from the bombing enough to overrun the South. By that time Congress had cut aid to South Vietnam by 75% and outlawed air strikes in Southeast Asia. In effect, Congress voted to lose the war.
I’m a Vietnam Era veteran, served stateside USAF 1972-1976.
It wasn’t “us” who defeated ISIS, it was Russia who provided that service to humanity.
I am afraid we were the ones funneling ISIS with weaponry via various dodgy so-called “democratic resistance” groups.
“If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.” comes to mind. I doubt the current tragedy unfolding in the Middle East can really be traced to an over reliance on technology. Rather, the immense weight of media-driven public opinion continuing to insist the Palestinians are oppressed creates the environment wherein those oppressed people can wreak havoc and mayhem.
Israel’s efforts to protect itself from Hamas have been continually challenged and even derided as keeping Gazans from creating prosperity for themselves. The refrain of an intractable, intolerant Israel representing the only obstacle to a functioning, peaceful Palestinian state worked its spell to such an extent that any efforts to remain vigilant and focused on Hamas perfidy were seen as counterproductive.
No matter Hamas continues to insist in it foundational statements that the destruction of Israel is its primary purpose. Like the American correspondent who once said massive crowds of Iranians shouting “Death to America!” were simply repeating a meaningless slogan, world leaders demanded Israelis listen to wiser heads cajoling them into ignore facts and embrace wishes.
We see the result. And, we see the inability of those whose repeated demands for normalization at the borders of Israel and Gaza to accept the reality that Evil exists however much we wish it otherwise. Or, that the appeasers and Israel detractors were the ones who gave birth to this atrocity.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for any acts of contrition from our wiser heads, and the self-appointed leaders who know best.
Contrition, after all, requires remorse.
And remorse requires a conscience.
I thought the current received wisdom was that Iran didn’t collaborate with Hamas over the recent attack, and indeed were taken by surprise. Has it changed again?
Anyway, it’s all good news for armchair and academic experts in geopolitics, military strategy, technology, modern history, and ethics.
I am sure there must be a good reason, and I apologise for my ignorance in not knowing what it is, but why is Iran allowed to put satellites into orbit? Would it not be relatively easy for them to suffer a ‘malfunction’ or a regrettable collision with some space junk? Or is that technologically difficult to achieve?
Another excellent UnHerd article.
Well researched and presented. Thought-provoking. Just what we need.
One point I would like clarity on, from someone with such knowledge.
Why didn’t Russia simply spend on developing their own Star Wars defensive system? If, as the author contends it was 7:1 to try and evade Star Wars, by improving one’s own ICBMs to penetrate the defensive US Star Wars system, why not instead of spending the 7 to get through, simply spend the 1 to stop US nukes getting into USSR?
This would have created a game theory environment where neither had any advantage for a 1/7th of the cost.
The Russians were far, far behind in computer development that is necessary for tracking incoming missiles and targeting them with your defensive missiles.
Thanks. Makes sense.
USSR had missiles on its border whereas US-directed missiles were thousands of miles away
What about from Russian nuclear subs? They could have been a few miles offshore from continental USA, no?
A bit slick with the arguments here. Reads like an academic paper, sliding in tasty nuggets of supporting data while ignoring basic realities. Hamas did not defeat Israel, any more than Al Queda defeated the US. And I can’t wait to see all those 3D printers churning out enough weapons to take on the IDF. Articles like this spend more time admiring the pretty bows with which they wrap up their arguments than they do actually researching those arguments. And it shows.
Al queda did defeat the US. Who governs Afghanistan?
Thank you. That is by far the best article I have read here about the conflict.
[I’ll spoil that now by saying that I don’t see a clear moral case that the change to a multi-polar world order shouldn’t take place.]
I finally found out, what you were talking about the other day. It is pretty much proven, that the Israelis are supplying arms to Azerbaijan. Guess, “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” in this case. Meanwhile the outrageous ethnic cleansing of the Armenian minority was taking place. Wonder, if the arms supply was the idea of Netanyahu’s government? It seems that many Israelis aren’t ok with this…
Do you mean the unpopularity of Netanyahu in Israel?
Well, the moral case is that no one seems to want it except the bad actors, and it makes major wars, especially nuclear war, far more likely. If the US-led order goes away, every state is going to heed the lesson of Ukraine and realize they MUST have nuclear weapons, or they’re a target for aggression. When you have 50, not particularly stable, mid-sized countries with nukes, the odds that one eventually uses them is very high.
The US-led order is going away whether you like it or not, I’m afraid.
The biggest danger we could actually inflict is a Putin defeat, not the ceding of the Donbas, which is now inevitable. Destabilising Russia is what would lead to their nuclear weapons being spread around the world.
The author misses important points that account (at least partially) on how and why Israel’s defenses became sufficiently vulnerable for Hamas to penetrate its territory with low cost military technology. Not everything is top military technology, the recent turmoil and the incompetence of Israel’s present government weakened overall security. Extreme right wing ideologues play leading government roles, they prioritize settlement of the West Bank, even at the expense of other issues, such as overall security. The most influential leader of this extreme right (Smotrich) has a leading position in security and has dismissed warnings of over all security flaws. Battalions guarding the south were transferred to the West Bank to protect a few messianic settlers. At he same time, politics in 2023 were dominated by massive protests against the government’s attempt to overhaul the Supreme Court, with high tech military personnel failing to report to duty as a way of protesting. While the Hamas attack was not on the horizon, these developments contributed to create the security sinks where Hamas’ terrorism entered.
This review is outdated. The Israeli army fought with completely different criteria. So never make predictions about the future.
At last an informed, sensible article. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the IDF mostly conscripts and reservists, and 40% women? Against hardened, fanatical nothing-to-lose Hamas fighters in a dense urban environment riddled with tunnels? Hezbollah is threatening a multi-front conflict. Syrian militants are still active around the Golan Heights. The IDF are still waiting on the border. The result of the ground war is not cut and dried, and unacceptably high losses would force the IDF to level Gaza City and use bunker-busters. There are tunnels in the southern region of Gaza too, which would have to be dealt with. The resulting deaths and massive refugee crisis would see Israel’s reputation in tatters amongst the global South and East, and support in the West might decline. Bringing in an effective peace-broker would be the sensible option, but that’s highly unlikely. Risky for Likud. Let’s see what they do.
Everyone in Israel, including women, has to do national service. In that sense the IDF is mostly conscripts and reservists, but very well-trained ones. Never forget either, that the Israelis are fighting for their very existence so it isn’t a case of “nothing to lose”, rather one of everything to lose if they don’t fight.
There’s truth in what you say, but, firstly, there’s a substantive difference between being well-trained and fanatical and/or battle-hardened, and, secondly, Israelis are fighting for their abstract existence as a nation. Hamas have upped the ante where they’re willing to sacrifice their bodies. If there is no quick resolution to the ground war – we don’t know what Hamas have in store – how far are Israel wiling to go down that path, possibly now on multiple fronts? Likud have to make a big decision. I don’t envy them. Peace-broking is still possible. Sometimes – although not too often – an escalation of violence, when both sides realise how far their opponents are willing to go, is the most effective time for this. It would save a lot of lives.
Yes Israel is fighting for its existence, but Jewish people can exist outside of Israel, many quite comfortably. I’m sure Australia and the US could fit in a lot.
Jewish people lived quite comfortably in Germany, Russia, Spain, England, etc. until they didn’t. (England expelled the Jews in 1290. Oliver Cromwell, needing financial support, welcomed them back.)
So Australia and the U.S., or wherever you’d like to resettle the Jews, could change their mind. What happens then?
I think you misunderstand of the level of training Israeli women, who are conscripted at age 18, achieve during their 2 years and 4 months of mandatory service:
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Good point.
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In a war of the cradle, killing IDF women must count double. Not to face censure for the killing of civilians while you do so is just a bonus.
This logic doesn’t work as well if Israel doesn’t care about civilian deaths – or is prepared to use a tactical nuclear weapon on Iran. I think both are possibilities.
Pump 1000s of tons of sea water into the Hamas tunnels. Should be quite easy and would certainly complicate things for Hamas. Cheap and low tech as well.
There are hostages down there.
I remember in the past Egypt using this exact tactic after insistence to Hamas to not rely on any Egyptian assistance in Hamas’s suicidal war against Israel. From memory, it was used roughly 4 or fewer years ago by Egyptian authorities against Hamas!
It also didn’t help that it was a Jewish holiday that weekend, and many border guard soldiers were on leave. Too much reliance on a wall as well as tech.
Many must be thinking about a military paradigm shift in which the territory is razed to the ground in a series of nuclear interventions – a Gaza emptied above ground then literally erased.
Of course, this has not been tried since the end of World War II but the technology has moved on. If the Gazan population is moved to the south and then most across the Egyptian border, then the tactical battlefield device may even be tried.
Egypt might have something to say about that. If Egypt wanted Gaza, it would have Gaza because *Gaza was formerly a part of Egypt*. Obviously they don’t want that kind of trouble.
This article seems to miss the point. Its focus is exclusively the means. I can’t help but think that so much of what happens in the world is a by-product of infantile male fantasies of omnipotence (“boys and their toys”) and this article only confirms that gut-level instinct. The focus should not really be on which toys get used, but whether any should be used at all, and if so, who benefits? When the dust settles, let’s look at what has been achieved by these means. Then and only then can we analyse whether using them was worthwhile.
As it applies to the present conflict, the authors’ analysis overlooks two important considerations. First, it doesn’t consider the cost of the tunnels themselves. The tunnels were integral to Hamas’s assessment that it could offset Israel’s conventional advantages, and they were not cheap! Second, Hamas’s situation is unusual in that it’s almost entirely dependent on the patronage of Iran and Qatar, and on diverting massive amounts of foreign aid from international bodies. It has never had to count costs in the same way that the US and the USSR did.