The pro-lobby are using exactly the same tactics as the Pro side on any debate (abortion, euthanasia, refugees) by framing it all around the most exceptional cases with the highest sob value.
Naturally, everybody in our post-modern, relativist shitstorm (aka ‘society’) studiously avoids any moral answer to the question let alone judgement.
Meanwhile, the latest bevvy of teenagers get sucked into a spiral of pointless, destructive behaviour, cheered on by ‘cool’, middle-class lefties droning on about their rights to bodily autonomy.
Indeed and abortion and euthanasia are none of your business as well and most young people agree so your views are unrepresentative of the future. Refugees though take up resources which restricts economic freedom.
Right-Wing Hippie
8 months ago
The week before, it had hosted the annual Stoneleigh Horse Show, a buttoned-up pageant of show-jumps and tweedy dressage. This weekend, the bouncer at the door was smoking a joint.
From tweedy dressage to weedy dressage.
Richard Craven
8 months ago
Cannabis is an addictive carcinogen which causes hypertension and gum disease, and makes its users boring, angry, fat, depressed, boring, apathetic, bored, useless, slow, annoying, boring, stupid, listless, boring, and boring.
60 years ago most British citizens believed in the rule of law .That has disappeared with many citizens including prominent public figures altitude to the law being if they can get away with breaking it they will do so.
The primary cause of this change in society has to be the cannabis laws.
There is probably not a single person who has tried cannabis who would regard themselves as a ‘criminal’ and yet the law has branded them as ‘criminals’ for decades.Real criminals are thieves,murderers, etc.
Societies would have been better legalising all drugs for adults and taking the possible downsides of that as it is basically wrong to label some drug users as ‘criminals’ whilst other drugs like alcohol are legal.And after that try to educate people about the pros and cons of using any drugs and then let adults chose for themselves..
It is noticable how many rock musicians have consumed lots of illegal drugs and yet many are standing strong when over 80 yrs old.Looking forward to hearing the new Rolling Stones album
Because the inordinate wealth of rock stars means they have access to concentrated medical care,not BETTER than the NHS can provide as private medicine uses a lot of NHS equipment like MRI scanners etc. The wealthy can AFFORD 24 nursing,therapy,one on one care for weeks or months and they have the incentive of being fit enough to do their next tour and make YET MORE MONEY. If you’re camped out in Beggar City that used to be known as Bristol Town Centre you don’t have that incentive or those resources.
Dictators and Emperors like fucked up populations.
jane baker
8 months ago
It’s already been shown in various reports that I cant quote chapter and verse of but in those places that has legalise drug use of various sorts it hasn’t cut crime,it hasn’t removed the illegal market (why would it) and it hadn’t raised much tax revenue at all. Also this idea that in Portugal for instance,drug users get help,sympathy and understanding,they get taken into a nice clean hospital,have a lovely compassionate nurse to be with them 24/7,get food brought them on silver trays and their bums wiped for them. It’s a fantasy.
It’s the pitch the legalisers sell to make it sound like it’ll be alright. And I thought we all hated Big Pharma so why all this keenness to give em money.
Douglas Redmayne
8 months ago
Prohibition has been a failure and cannabis should be legalised, regulated for w, taxed and provided medicinally. There is an economic case for this as well as a freedom related case. Dinosaurs opposing it should be ignored especially as they are dying off in increasing numbers with every passing day.
There is no reason to believe it has made much difference, although the health and enforcement costs may be lower than they would otherwise have been. Reduced demand is not an infallible benchmark of policy success.
On careful observation of the ones around here, I see their harming tendencies are more directed toward shop windows, not forgetting loud and energetic debates with street signs.
Love it. Imagine if the government passed a law saying that they were going to legally kill 60% of the population. Well email you your appointment with death. Imagine the outrage,the outcry,the protests.Actually since the shocking compliance with lockdown and mask wearing neither can I. But legalise drug use and let them kill themselves and think it’s their choice.
The link between cannabis use and psychosis is tenuous for most strains. Legalisation with regulation could reduce consumption of the more harmful concentrated strains and reduce the need for psychosis clinics. There is also the issue of personal freedom
This is said very rudely. And the case might be framed in a more respectful way/ Especially as I agree that adults should decide for themselves which moderqtely harmful substance they inject in their own body.
A free bus around Tottenham to collect some of those who self-medicate and drop them off at the event. Ought to work wonders for a free & fair dialogue . . .
Simon Neale
8 months ago
The soma lobby probably need a re-think. Cannabis would be a viable solution to the existence of the underclass, but not while we allow them to have children and operate machinery.
I completely agree. Give them all the drugs they want and a free government flat in a special district where they can live among their kind in return for sterilisation. That would improve the quality of the population in the long run and reduce the number of useless eaters
“ Dignity” is a subjective concept and is usually an instrument for imposing a set of values on other people. As for hope, that is impossible in our culture and someone already in a rut is unlikely to emerge from it without enormous public expense which taxpayers are not willing to fund.
If you are prepared to sacrifice some of your wealth and income to help these people then that would be laudable but don’t expect others to do so via taxes especially if they do not support prohibition.
The pro-lobby are using exactly the same tactics as the Pro side on any debate (abortion, euthanasia, refugees) by framing it all around the most exceptional cases with the highest sob value.
Naturally, everybody in our post-modern, relativist shitstorm (aka ‘society’) studiously avoids any moral answer to the question let alone judgement.
Meanwhile, the latest bevvy of teenagers get sucked into a spiral of pointless, destructive behaviour, cheered on by ‘cool’, middle-class lefties droning on about their rights to bodily autonomy.
Indeed and abortion and euthanasia are none of your business as well and most young people agree so your views are unrepresentative of the future. Refugees though take up resources which restricts economic freedom.
The week before, it had hosted the annual Stoneleigh Horse Show, a buttoned-up pageant of show-jumps and tweedy dressage. This weekend, the bouncer at the door was smoking a joint.
From tweedy dressage to weedy dressage.
Cannabis is an addictive carcinogen which causes hypertension and gum disease, and makes its users boring, angry, fat, depressed, boring, apathetic, bored, useless, slow, annoying, boring, stupid, listless, boring, and boring.
I take it that you are a long term user
I think, Mr. Redmayne, you don’t recognise satire when you see it. It does exist outside the pages of ‘Private Eye”!
Its hard to tell where commentary ends and satire begins these days.
It’s not satire.
And it stinks. Stinks of loser.
The Smell of Failure.
If they are losers then don’t begrudge them a but of pleasure.
Yes, good point.
60 years ago most British citizens believed in the rule of law .That has disappeared with many citizens including prominent public figures altitude to the law being if they can get away with breaking it they will do so.
The primary cause of this change in society has to be the cannabis laws.
There is probably not a single person who has tried cannabis who would regard themselves as a ‘criminal’ and yet the law has branded them as ‘criminals’ for decades.Real criminals are thieves,murderers, etc.
Societies would have been better legalising all drugs for adults and taking the possible downsides of that as it is basically wrong to label some drug users as ‘criminals’ whilst other drugs like alcohol are legal.And after that try to educate people about the pros and cons of using any drugs and then let adults chose for themselves..
It is noticable how many rock musicians have consumed lots of illegal drugs and yet many are standing strong when over 80 yrs old.Looking forward to hearing the new Rolling Stones album
Real criminals are those who break the criminal law, and there are many sorts of criminal law.
You need to do a bit of revision. In fact, more than a bit.
And some of it may not qualify as revision seeing as you seem to lack cognizance of even the most basic facts in this field.
Not mentioned in the Ten Commandments. Maybe the long-lost eleventh was “Thou shalt not feed thy head”.
Because the inordinate wealth of rock stars means they have access to concentrated medical care,not BETTER than the NHS can provide as private medicine uses a lot of NHS equipment like MRI scanners etc. The wealthy can AFFORD 24 nursing,therapy,one on one care for weeks or months and they have the incentive of being fit enough to do their next tour and make YET MORE MONEY. If you’re camped out in Beggar City that used to be known as Bristol Town Centre you don’t have that incentive or those resources.
Broadmead is presently overrun by Romanian families who chuck their litter all over the ground and never, ever get fined.
the UK is determined to follow the US off a cliff in every way. Why?
A nationwide absence of critical thinking skills and self-respect.
That’s the same problem we have here in the States.
This isn’t gonna end well.
Dictators and Emperors like fucked up populations.
It’s already been shown in various reports that I cant quote chapter and verse of but in those places that has legalise drug use of various sorts it hasn’t cut crime,it hasn’t removed the illegal market (why would it) and it hadn’t raised much tax revenue at all. Also this idea that in Portugal for instance,drug users get help,sympathy and understanding,they get taken into a nice clean hospital,have a lovely compassionate nurse to be with them 24/7,get food brought them on silver trays and their bums wiped for them. It’s a fantasy.
It’s the pitch the legalisers sell to make it sound like it’ll be alright. And I thought we all hated Big Pharma so why all this keenness to give em money.
Prohibition has been a failure and cannabis should be legalised, regulated for w, taxed and provided medicinally. There is an economic case for this as well as a freedom related case. Dinosaurs opposing it should be ignored especially as they are dying off in increasing numbers with every passing day.
Has legalisation in the US blunted the demand for illegally grown mary jane?
There is no reason to believe it has made much difference, although the health and enforcement costs may be lower than they would otherwise have been. Reduced demand is not an infallible benchmark of policy success.
Reduced consumption most certainly is an excellent benchmark of policy success.
Tell us where the funding is for the psychosis clinics and wards, old boy.
And then you can get on your way to Nirvana.
There’ll be some sort of financial incentive for the psychotic to euthanize themselves, no doubt.
On careful observation of the ones around here, I see their harming tendencies are more directed toward shop windows, not forgetting loud and energetic debates with street signs.
If they wish to then why not? I am certain that the average taxpayer wouldn’t care.
Love it. Imagine if the government passed a law saying that they were going to legally kill 60% of the population. Well email you your appointment with death. Imagine the outrage,the outcry,the protests.Actually since the shocking compliance with lockdown and mask wearing neither can I. But legalise drug use and let them kill themselves and think it’s their choice.
The link between cannabis use and psychosis is tenuous for most strains. Legalisation with regulation could reduce consumption of the more harmful concentrated strains and reduce the need for psychosis clinics. There is also the issue of personal freedom
So you’re not interested in paying for your damage. Interesting stance.
And pay TAX you must be joking.
This is said very rudely. And the case might be framed in a more respectful way/ Especially as I agree that adults should decide for themselves which moderqtely harmful substance they inject in their own body.
I injected three marijuanas in my bodie this morning, and now even Douglas’ posts make sense xx
You misspelt your name Dumbetrius!
Is anyone who opposes legalisation a ‘dinosaur’?
A free bus around Tottenham to collect some of those who self-medicate and drop them off at the event. Ought to work wonders for a free & fair dialogue . . .
The soma lobby probably need a re-think. Cannabis would be a viable solution to the existence of the underclass, but not while we allow them to have children and operate machinery.
I completely agree. Give them all the drugs they want and a free government flat in a special district where they can live among their kind in return for sterilisation. That would improve the quality of the population in the long run and reduce the number of useless eaters
Far better to give them hope, dignity, and protection from what is harmful. Cannabis was a brave try, but fails on all 3 criteria.
“ Dignity” is a subjective concept and is usually an instrument for imposing a set of values on other people. As for hope, that is impossible in our culture and someone already in a rut is unlikely to emerge from it without enormous public expense which taxpayers are not willing to fund.
Smoking weed drives people into a rut of hopelessness.
Well said.
Libertarianism is a helluva drug.
If you are prepared to sacrifice some of your wealth and income to help these people then that would be laudable but don’t expect others to do so via taxes especially if they do not support prohibition.
Which it’s why it’s important to tell them their trans and get their kids bits cut off before the poor children know anything.