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Josh Allan
Josh Allan
8 months ago

‘Liberalism is finished, and the practice of tolerance has passed into history. (He seems to have wokeness in mind here, which is to ascribe world-historical status to a passing phenomenon.)’

I would like to share Eagleton’s optimism here, but it seems a little too early to define wokeness as an ephemeral phenomenon. We may well be in the dawn of a new world religion.

J Young
J Young
8 months ago
Reply to  Josh Allan

To be a world religion, wokeness would require a sense of the Absolute and mythology, like all religions do. It cannot sustain itself without a transcendent element. Without these influences, it is as mutable as Marxist dialectics and outdated Enlightenment treatises.

People who accept its precedents die; the next generation evolves from them but will not share exact opinions. Technology, the environment, and the cultural shifts (some affected by the woke) will define the new thinking of this personality type. Many of us are dying things being dragged along with the tide. Marx was right about his theory of alienation- though derivative of Feuerbach- for without a solid absolute, our opinions are coloured by the whims of the everchanging material environment. By necessity and survival, we form the opinions for our time. Nietzsche is also right: we are all decadents now. The era is us and we are not free to he crabs and wander away out of tradition.

To make wokeness our like it is a current fad is disingenuous, used by people who want to say “the kids aren’t alright,” and avoid the longer evolution of western nations. What differences do the woke have with the characters of Michelangelo Antonioni’s Blow Up and Zabriskie Point? Very little. The latter film’s opening scene could be filmed today without many changes: White students arguing how they can be more like radical Black activists. It is not far from the BLM ‘fad’, but neither are these are just history repeating itslef. One can reach back to before the great war, to the Enlightenment, further still to Descartes, and the collapse of Templar Order, to see the evolution from today. First Cause thinking can be ultimately useless. We can trace Wokeness in certain strands of Christianity, in the same way Richard Dawkins is a Christian in denial. They may be opposed, but they share genes, for we are all Western and sourced from the same soup.

I say why does Darwinism exist? For Paradise Lost came before it.

Josh Allan
Josh Allan
8 months ago
Reply to  J Young

It might be more accurate to call it a denomination than an entire religion. Then again, both might be inaccurate. Wokeness has all the elements of a traditional faith, from high priests to blasphemy to ritualistic kneeling. But as you point out, it’s lacking anything truly transcendental, which may with any luck be its downfall.

T Bone
T Bone
8 months ago
Reply to  J Young

The Marxist stated goal might have been relief from alienation but it was always a ruse. For class abolition to occur, there would always have to be a new ruling class bureacracy of Experts that arbitrarily determine new values and those values would need to be imposed by force.

The thing we call Wokeness is just a Gnostic expression of hyper-awareness. The soul is imprisoned in the body and only by becoming hyperaware of the mechanics of an unjust world can the soul break free from the prison and find oneness with the Divine.

But the true virology is actually Hermetic and Pantheist/Panentheist. Hegel is probably the chief Theologian since he constructed the dialectic in it’s clearest form. Marx inverted it into a bottom up structure making the Self a Historical Actor bringing History to its endpoint. Marx was effectively a Gnostic prophet using Alchemy to transform social conditions through revolution.

The Dialectic is all transmutation or social alchemy. Evaporating the particulars of opposites whether Class/Race/Gender and condensing/sublating them into a singular oneness, IE a Hivemind.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
8 months ago
Reply to  T Bone

…no misteak there T bone. The Hivemind is indeed a most accurate articulation of where things are at, incorporating as it does, the demographic of the female role in the fusion/con-fusion of policy across so many social and economic institutions.

Last edited 8 months ago by Bernard Hill
Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
8 months ago
Reply to  J Young

The word for which you search to categorize “wokeness” is “heresy.” It is a corruption of Western Christianity, esp. Protestantism. That explains in part why it has so little sway in other parts of the world, yet is so hard to combat in its home.
For maybe the best analysis to date, read Millenarian Mobs by the late Angelo Codevilla in the Summer 2020 Claremont Review of Books: https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/millenarian-mobs/

Frank Scavelli
Frank Scavelli
5 months ago
Reply to  J Young

Are you Julian Young, the Nietzsche / Schop / Heidegger scholar?

polidori redux
polidori redux
8 months ago
Reply to  Josh Allan

I recently saw wokery described as autistic literalism, designed to protect the egos of mediocre minds.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
8 months ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Thatā€™s a very good description. I equate wokeism with cowardice and groupthink.

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
8 months ago
Reply to  Josh Allan

Dawn of a new religion? Could be. In my more morose moments, I sometimes wonder if there is a cycle in western history with an obligatory religious revival every few centuries which recharges the internalised morality that arguably society needs – followed by long periods as liberty and licence gradually regrow, everyone has a good time but amorality spreads until it threatens society and the next age of censorious zeal is triggered. This would make the Woke the equivalent of the Evangelicals of the 1830s, who gave us middle class morality for more than a century, the Puritans of the 1630s, the religious revivals in the fourteenth and eleventh centuries and so on. Depressing thought. Fortunately, there is no hard evidence for this theory so I am sticking with my copy of JS Mill, with uninhibited self indulgence and with the hope that history will *** the woke.

Last edited 8 months ago by Alex Carnegie
Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
8 months ago

ā€œHell hath no fury like an an academic scornedā€.
Thus the vendetta between Eagleton and Gray continues, much to the amusement of many.

polidori redux
polidori redux
8 months ago

I find Gray interesting. Eagleton not at all – a one trick pony.

Tony Fitzgerald
Tony Fitzgerald
8 months ago
Reply to  polidori redux

I find Gray very perceptive and Eagleton very perceptive too. I do hope the debate continues

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
8 months ago

ā€œThe aim of the Law is that we should love it, not simply obey it. By identifying our own desires with those of authority, a trespass against authority feels like a violation of ourselves.ā€

In conversation with my woke son I posited that the effect of a physical assault on me would be the same whatever the motivation for the attack. We have good laws against assault, therefore additional laws against assault motivated by woke concerns (race etc.,) weā€™re superfluous.

He was genuinely flabbergasted. To him, the fact a racial assault is just worse in some way was so internalised he was, to use the awful vernacular, triggered.

Woke us not a passing phase. Much of our population now identifies its own desires with those of the (new) authority.

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
8 months ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Where do you draw the line? A sexual assault is presumably also a physical assault so why do need a distinct category of sexual assault?

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor
8 months ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

A sexual assault violates identity in a deeper and more long-lasting way than a non-sexual physical assault. However, an assault motivated by race – or homophobia or whatever – says something about the frailty of the assailant’s identity.

AC Harper
AC Harper
8 months ago

There’s a basic philosophical weakness in these philosophies, interesting as they are. The political and philosophical labels are usually applied to whole populations. But a moments Googling will show that about 5% of people are psychopaths, about 1% experience alcohol use disorders, roughly half are politically Left inclined, half politically Right inclined. Approximately 0.1% are in prison in the UK. Some are Christians, some are Muslims, many are neither or something else.
So no, there is no benevolent state of nature – and to try and force people of differing predispositions into a benevolent state of Utopia is doomed to fail because of it.

Steve Houseman
Steve Houseman
8 months ago
Reply to  AC Harper

ā€˜ā€¦doomed to failā€¦.ā€™ Agreed completely.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
8 months ago

ā€œUnequal distribution of propertyā€ by whom, exactly? Is there some Great Benevolence missing whose job it is to dole out equal shares of every single thing? The cancer researcher and the crack head should live next door to one another in identical circumstances as the teen mom, the veteran aerial firefight pilot, and the retired supermarket deli manager?
Next youā€™ll be telling us we can only have two beers a week and three items of clothing . . .

michael harris
michael harris
8 months ago

You’ll have one beer a week, wash your underwear by hand, fly to Majorca once every few years and wait for ‘public’ transport like everyone else.
And you’ll be HAPPY!
Even as you see the Zils drive past. Clap harder!

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
8 months ago

No one is going to be telling you that. But how far are you prepared to go? Let’s say one family dynasty over generations of inherited wealth managed to buy up all the land in a country so they own everything. Everyone else has to rent from this one family – the family can charge what they want, they kind of own the society. Nothing illegal has taken place. Would you say that is just how the cookie crumbles? – no problem.

Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
8 months ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Martin, I think that is a big ā€œletā€™s suppose.ā€

Couldnā€™t we equally suppose the family decides to give away the land because they were no longer interested in administering it? (Counting all that money gets boring, donā€™tcha know?!). Then everyone has their own home and bobā€™s your uncleā€¦

It seems to me, suppositions can take us many places.

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
8 months ago
Reply to  Ralph Hanke

I merely give the extreme of where unregulated libertarian capitalism can end. I don’t suppose it will go that far. But the relentless increase in inequality, and the rise of an unaccountable oligarchy, shows the direction we are going. All I’m asking is how far are we going to go before ‘society’ (which does exist after all) decides that it’s perhaps not such a good idea after all? I find it bizarre that so called conservatives can in one breath moan about ‘elites’ but then wax lyrical about the wonders of the free market. The wealthy elites are result of the free market which ultimately ends in monopolies – e.g Google.

Last edited 8 months ago by Martin Butler
Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
8 months ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Martin, thank you for thinking about what I wrote and responding.

I would suggest your concern about wealth inequality and monopolies is misplaced as those lines of thinking are based in a fixed pie perspective on wealth. Although that perspective tends to predominate economic/political opinions, IMHO it does not reflect reality.

As long as the poorest in the world continue to get wealthier and suffer less deprivation, whichā€”with the exception of the pandemic yearsā€”has been the case for quite some time now; who cares how much money the wealthiest make?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
8 months ago

And NO second homes, particularly in Cornwall!

Graham Bennett
Graham Bennett
8 months ago

Eagleton, like most communists, seems entirely oblivious to socialist forms of imperialism, both spatial and psychological (of which the 20thC is littered), and the deliberate and ochestratwd mass murder that came (and still comes) with it. Or at least he either avoids alluding to this, or is in total denial, as if all destruction can only lead from ‘oppressive’ class power structures developed in capitalist contexts. The difference is that Gray is a realist, Eagleton an idealist. Surely no one believes in the utopic world to come any more – it’s utterly naive. This is partly why Eagleton thinks ‘wokism’ is a passing fad, because as a leftist, he’s unable to identify what it is, let alone see it. If he sees it, it appears utterly harmless to him …. until, that is, it comes for him.

Steve Houseman
Steve Houseman
8 months ago
Reply to  Graham Bennett

Agreed whole heartedly with your idealist/realist contrast Eagleton/Grey. Iā€™m a great fan of John Grey but also Roger Scruton. I totally think that someone needs to write about the two of them and their views on ā€˜The Worldā€™. They each often send me down completely different worm holes from which Iā€™m unable to extract myself or rather if/when I do I am much bloodied, broken and confused. Perhaps Grey and Scruton have been simultaneously discussed? Perhaps someone has insight on the two? Individually Iā€™m fine having most of their writings.

I have little use for Eagleton but none the less have for years now paid my dues to NLR to keep track of whatā€™s going on in this part of the world.

Julian Hartley
Julian Hartley
8 months ago
Reply to  Graham Bennett

The “passing phenomenon” comment was the most revealing bit of the article.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
8 months ago

My god, I canā€™t even read past the first paragraph. The rule of law and society are more important for the poor than for the rich. As to, income distribution, if it bothers you change your job. Youā€™re allowed to do that.

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
8 months ago
Reply to  Bret Larson

Unfortunately we’re back to the days when what mattered was who your parents are; how much they own, whether they’re educated, where they live and who they know. This is the best predictor of where you will end up however much we might want to fantasise otherwise.

Last edited 8 months ago by Martin Butler
Bret Larson
Bret Larson
8 months ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

What utopia are you making a comparison to? And why do you think itā€™s problematic that parents who invest in their kids have better results? And yes, itā€™s not the dollar value of investment that is the most important.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
8 months ago

On first seeing the Pont du Gard, Rousseau lamented ā€œwhy was I not born a Romanā€.
One can but sympathise!

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
8 months ago

…Acting in “the service of life” is only lame for those with excessive admiration of their own capabilities.

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
8 months ago

The culture wars – or partisan realignment into warring liberal and conservative blocs – is transmutating again into a Gnostic order.
That is to say, the young have been economically disenfranchised and so have take up the task of restoring Light to the darkness of the world created by the Demiurge.

Philip Gerrans
Philip Gerrans
8 months ago

This is a B- first year essay larded with senility. As are all his pieces. Does he pay Unherd to get published or have some sinister hold over the editors? There is no other explanation. If he wants to write this stuff he can post it on his instagram or get a substack but Unherd is not supposed to be tiktok for supeannuated 1980s arts academics.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
8 months ago
Reply to  Philip Gerrans

That B- is generous. I think you may be grading on a curve.

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
8 months ago
Reply to  Philip Gerrans

Not one substantive point

Julian Hartley
Julian Hartley
8 months ago

I think it’s a very self-important book review.

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor
8 months ago

Rousseau didn’t know about Dunbar’s Number.

Steve Houseman
Steve Houseman
8 months ago

Itā€™s all about empathy/sympathy and are we or do we behave in an altruistic/moral ways? Or do we need laws that constrain us to behave in societally acceptable ways? The jury is definitely out as the definition of civilized society is up for grabs. As one might expect. To equate Freud with progress is problematic. Itā€™s 2023 and the world seems to be falling apart. We live in exciting times.

Richard Calhoun
Richard Calhoun
8 months ago

There can be no freedom if there is no order.

Richard Calhoun
Richard Calhoun
8 months ago

Wokeness will have a short life … commonsense will prevail

Julian Hartley
Julian Hartley
8 months ago

It’s already at least forty years old, if you count from the moment it first started shaping policy in institutions such as schools. How short is short?

Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
8 months ago
Reply to  Julian Hartley

How short is short? In the span of overall human intellectual development? Iā€™d say 40 years is rather short.

Judaeo/Christine philosophy is substantially older than that. As is Hinduism, Muslim thought, Confucianism, and the like. We are fairly new to the idea that religious thought need not be the foundation of our world view. As such, we are bound to come up with some pretty crazy shit before we work it outā€¦

Last edited 8 months ago by Ralph Hanke