Are men and women naturally good? The philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau thought so, though he admits that we began in a state of āsavageryā in which moral terms such as good and bad simply didnāt apply. From there, however, the human race graduated to a more positive stage, mid-way between āthe stupidity of brutesā and what Rousseau saw as the disaster of civilisation. With the birth of civilised society, a state of peace, innocence and compassion gave way to one of war, law, government and the unequal distribution of property.
Government, for Rousseau, is a largely fraudulent contract imposed by the rich on the poor, and the founder of civil society was simply the first man to say āThis is mineā of a piece of land and found people credulous enough to believe him. How much crime, war, murder, misery and horror, he reflects, could have been avoided if someone had pointed out that the fruits of the earth belong to everyone, and the earth itself to nobody at all? Progress is an illusion, and science the ruin of humanity. Civilisation has made us neither happier nor more virtuous. Yet once we had been expelled from the happy garden, there was no way back.
Some may see this view as a trifle one-sided. Whatās surely more convincing is the suggestion that civilisation has made us both better and worse. If it holds the solution to some of our troubles, it also creates problems all of its own. It tempers and restrains our more anti-social impulses, but in doing so brings with it forms of devastation beyond the scope of “primitive” humanity. If their problem was weakness, ours is power. āTo be able to overpower the monstrous progeny of our own intelligence,ā writes the art historian Malcolm Bull, āhas always been the condition of human survival.ā Humanity is constantly in danger of overreaching itself and bringing itself to nothing. Its abiding defect is hubris. The monstrous progeny of our own intelligence is now known as AI.
For a certain strain of conservatism, human nature is mostly degenerate and has always been that way. āIt is not that our age is particularly corrupt,ā remarks the Anglo-Catholic Tory T.S. Eliot. āAll ages are corrupt.ā This isnāt to say you canāt squeeze something valuable out of people, but to do so you need order and discipline, sometimes of a draconian kind. Goodness exists, but only the incurably bright-eyed see it as spontaneous.
Classical liberalism takes the opposite view. People fare best when they are left alone to develop their talents. Repressing them will simply stunt their growth, whereas spiritual laissez-faire will allow them to flourish. Human beings may abuse their freedom, but they are not truly human without it. If they are to go right, you have to allow for the possibility of their going wrong. Romanticism is a particularly affirmative instance of this creed. Men and women have certain creative capacities which demand fulfilment, and most of the worldās evils stem from the fact that these powers are being obstructed. The names of the obstructers are legion: the state, religion, colonialism, patriarchy, capitalism, ethnic supremacism, the dominant class and so on. Revolution is the moment when energies which have been suppressed burst triumphantly through these barriers and come into their own.
There are a number of things wrong with this theory. Are all human capacities to be realised? What about my ability to assassinate the Pope, along with my burning desire to do so? Some of our powers are clearly noxious, but how do we distinguish these from the more life-affirming ones? And what if some of our capabilities are at war with others? As for repression, there are those like Freud who claim that a certain amount of it is necessary for our functioning. Repression can be good for you, even if too much of it is likely to make you ill. It will also be good for the Pope if I manage to stifle my urge to topple him from the balcony of the Vatican.
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SubscribeāHell hath no fury like an an academic scornedā.
Thus the vendetta between Eagleton and Gray continues, much to the amusement of many.
I find Gray interesting. Eagleton not at all – a one trick pony.
I find Gray very perceptive and Eagleton very perceptive too. I do hope the debate continues
āThe aim of the Law is that we should love it, not simply obey it. By identifying our own desires with those of authority, a trespass against authority feels like a violation of ourselves.ā
In conversation with my woke son I posited that the effect of a physical assault on me would be the same whatever the motivation for the attack. We have good laws against assault, therefore additional laws against assault motivated by woke concerns (race etc.,) weāre superfluous.
He was genuinely flabbergasted. To him, the fact a racial assault is just worse in some way was so internalised he was, to use the awful vernacular, triggered.
Woke us not a passing phase. Much of our population now identifies its own desires with those of the (new) authority.
Where do you draw the line? A sexual assault is presumably also a physical assault so why do need a distinct category of sexual assault?
A sexual assault violates identity in a deeper and more long-lasting way than a non-sexual physical assault. However, an assault motivated by race – or homophobia or whatever – says something about the frailty of the assailant’s identity.
There’s a basic philosophical weakness in these philosophies, interesting as they are. The political and philosophical labels are usually applied to whole populations. But a moments Googling will show that about 5% of people are psychopaths, about 1% experience alcohol use disorders, roughly half are politically Left inclined, half politically Right inclined. Approximately 0.1% are in prison in the UK. Some are Christians, some are Muslims, many are neither or something else.
So no, there is no benevolent state of nature – and to try and force people of differing predispositions into a benevolent state of Utopia is doomed to fail because of it.
āā¦doomed to failā¦.ā Agreed completely.
āUnequal distribution of propertyā by whom, exactly? Is there some Great Benevolence missing whose job it is to dole out equal shares of every single thing? The cancer researcher and the crack head should live next door to one another in identical circumstances as the teen mom, the veteran aerial firefight pilot, and the retired supermarket deli manager?
Next youāll be telling us we can only have two beers a week and three items of clothing . . .
You’ll have one beer a week, wash your underwear by hand, fly to Majorca once every few years and wait for ‘public’ transport like everyone else.
And you’ll be HAPPY!
Even as you see the Zils drive past. Clap harder!
No one is going to be telling you that. But how far are you prepared to go? Let’s say one family dynasty over generations of inherited wealth managed to buy up all the land in a country so they own everything. Everyone else has to rent from this one family – the family can charge what they want, they kind of own the society. Nothing illegal has taken place. Would you say that is just how the cookie crumbles? – no problem.
Martin, I think that is a big āletās suppose.ā
Couldnāt we equally suppose the family decides to give away the land because they were no longer interested in administering it? (Counting all that money gets boring, donātcha know?!). Then everyone has their own home and bobās your uncleā¦
It seems to me, suppositions can take us many places.
I merely give the extreme of where unregulated libertarian capitalism can end. I don’t suppose it will go that far. But the relentless increase in inequality, and the rise of an unaccountable oligarchy, shows the direction we are going. All I’m asking is how far are we going to go before ‘society’ (which does exist after all) decides that it’s perhaps not such a good idea after all? I find it bizarre that so called conservatives can in one breath moan about ‘elites’ but then wax lyrical about the wonders of the free market. The wealthy elites are result of the free market which ultimately ends in monopolies – e.g Google.
Martin, thank you for thinking about what I wrote and responding.
I would suggest your concern about wealth inequality and monopolies is misplaced as those lines of thinking are based in a fixed pie perspective on wealth. Although that perspective tends to predominate economic/political opinions, IMHO it does not reflect reality.
As long as the poorest in the world continue to get wealthier and suffer less deprivation, whichāwith the exception of the pandemic yearsāhas been the case for quite some time now; who cares how much money the wealthiest make?
And NO second homes, particularly in Cornwall!
Eagleton, like most communists, seems entirely oblivious to socialist forms of imperialism, both spatial and psychological (of which the 20thC is littered), and the deliberate and ochestratwd mass murder that came (and still comes) with it. Or at least he either avoids alluding to this, or is in total denial, as if all destruction can only lead from ‘oppressive’ class power structures developed in capitalist contexts. The difference is that Gray is a realist, Eagleton an idealist. Surely no one believes in the utopic world to come any more – it’s utterly naive. This is partly why Eagleton thinks ‘wokism’ is a passing fad, because as a leftist, he’s unable to identify what it is, let alone see it. If he sees it, it appears utterly harmless to him …. until, that is, it comes for him.
Agreed whole heartedly with your idealist/realist contrast Eagleton/Grey. Iām a great fan of John Grey but also Roger Scruton. I totally think that someone needs to write about the two of them and their views on āThe Worldā. They each often send me down completely different worm holes from which Iām unable to extract myself or rather if/when I do I am much bloodied, broken and confused. Perhaps Grey and Scruton have been simultaneously discussed? Perhaps someone has insight on the two? Individually Iām fine having most of their writings.
I have little use for Eagleton but none the less have for years now paid my dues to NLR to keep track of whatās going on in this part of the world.
The “passing phenomenon” comment was the most revealing bit of the article.
My god, I canāt even read past the first paragraph. The rule of law and society are more important for the poor than for the rich. As to, income distribution, if it bothers you change your job. Youāre allowed to do that.
Unfortunately we’re back to the days when what mattered was who your parents are; how much they own, whether they’re educated, where they live and who they know. This is the best predictor of where you will end up however much we might want to fantasise otherwise.
What utopia are you making a comparison to? And why do you think itās problematic that parents who invest in their kids have better results? And yes, itās not the dollar value of investment that is the most important.
On first seeing the Pont du Gard, Rousseau lamented āwhy was I not born a Romanā.
One can but sympathise!
…Acting in “the service of life” is only lame for those with excessive admiration of their own capabilities.
The culture wars – or partisan realignment into warring liberal and conservative blocs – is transmutating again into a Gnostic order.
That is to say, the young have been economically disenfranchised and so have take up the task of restoring Light to the darkness of the world created by the Demiurge.
This is a B- first year essay larded with senility. As are all his pieces. Does he pay Unherd to get published or have some sinister hold over the editors? There is no other explanation. If he wants to write this stuff he can post it on his instagram or get a substack but Unherd is not supposed to be tiktok for supeannuated 1980s arts academics.
That B- is generous. I think you may be grading on a curve.
Not one substantive point
I think it’s a very self-important book review.
Rousseau didn’t know about Dunbar’s Number.
Itās all about empathy/sympathy and are we or do we behave in an altruistic/moral ways? Or do we need laws that constrain us to behave in societally acceptable ways? The jury is definitely out as the definition of civilized society is up for grabs. As one might expect. To equate Freud with progress is problematic. Itās 2023 and the world seems to be falling apart. We live in exciting times.
There can be no freedom if there is no order.
Wokeness will have a short life … commonsense will prevail
It’s already at least forty years old, if you count from the moment it first started shaping policy in institutions such as schools. How short is short?
How short is short? In the span of overall human intellectual development? Iād say 40 years is rather short.
Judaeo/Christine philosophy is substantially older than that. As is Hinduism, Muslim thought, Confucianism, and the like. We are fairly new to the idea that religious thought need not be the foundation of our world view. As such, we are bound to come up with some pretty crazy shit before we work it outā¦