Over the past year and a half, calls for peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia have been widely dismissed by the Ukrainian government and its more maximalist online supporters as either Putinist propaganda or defeatism. Yet the so-far lacklustre results of Ukraineâs long-awaited counteroffensive have rendered the entire debate moot: right now, there is no incentive whatsoever for Russia to enter into negotiations.
As Russiaâs Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov declared last week: âThe prospects for negotiations between Russia and the West are non-existent at this stage.â Indeed, Lavrov applies precisely the same argument against peace talks that both Ukraine and its Western advocates made at an earlier stage in the war: that âwe regard the Westernersâ hypocritical calls for talks as a tactical ploy to buy time once again, giving the exhausted Ukrainian troops a respite and the opportunity to regroup and to send in more weapons and ammunitionâ. It takes two sides to negotiate, and even if Washington compelled Kyiv to the table, Moscow will not currently accept concessions distinguishable from surrender, impossible for Ukraine to accept and damaging for America to oversee.
From Moscowâs perspective, the war is settling into a comfortable rhythm: the modern armour that Ukraine had demanded for so long, whose delivery elicited such angst and drama in Western capitals, is being expended against Russiaâs defensive lines to little effect, at least so far. The springâs flurry of gruesome drone videos showing Russian deaths up close has been inverted, with Russiaâs supporters now exulting in the extinction of Ukraineâs increasingly precious reserves of manpower at the hands of cheap FPV drones. The Russian economy is faring better under Western sanctions than anyone expected, while European governments ride the discontent of their voters over rising living costs. On the diplomatic front, non-Western powers view the war in Ukraine with either unruffled equanimity or quiet satisfaction, happy to trade with Russia at discount prices and to assume a role in the multipolar order now demonstrably coming into being. Far from being isolated, Russiaâs role in Africa is rapidly expanding as that of the West deteriorates. The greatest threat to Ukraineâs survival, the fickle will of Americaâs turbulent democratic system, is slowly proceeding in the direction Putin always hoped. The war may not be the stunning success Putin initially hoped for, but its recent trends seem broadly favourable for Moscow, and its disadvantages currently manageable. The necessity for Ukraine now is to once again overturn this calculus.
In these circumstances, there is something distasteful about the flurry of anonymous briefings with which the Biden administration is now distancing itself from Ukraineâs ill-starred counteroffensive. Its results have not, after all, come as a surprise to American planners: as the Discord intelligence leaks revealed, back in February, the Pentagon was already warning that the offensive was likely to fall âwell shortâ of its stated goals: Russiaâs sophisticated trench fortifications, coupled with Ukraineâs âforce generation and sustainment shortfallsâ and âenduring Ukrainian deficiencies in training and munitions suppliesâ, would âexacerbate casualties during the offensiveâ, while achieving only âmodest territorial gainsâ. While there are serious dissenting opinions, which assert that the attrition of both Russiaâs artillery and manpower under Ukrainian assault will eventually bear fruit, the results so far seem to bear out the accuracy of Americaâs initial assessment.
Given the vast disparity between Russia and Ukraine in size, population, wealth and industrial production, a strategy of attrition in which Ukraine bears the costs of assault appears a risky gamble. It was always improbable that Ukraineâs army could entirely reshape its military doctrine along Nato lines in a matter of months to defeat, without any of the air superiority integral to the American way of war, a dug-in enemy many times its size. It was Ukraineâs more excitable online supporters, and not the American defence establishment, which had made the grandest claims for the coming offensive, while talking down Russiaâs military potential, and it would seem unfair for Kyiv to now pay the price of their reckless if well-meaning exuberance.
The Biden administrationâs approach to the war has always been fundamentally sound: that Ukraine should be supported to negotiate, but only from a position of relative strength. Yet it is no good to belatedly observe, as US officials are now anonymously wont to do, that perhaps Americaâs top general Mark Milley was right in claiming that Ukraineâs greatest period of relative strength was last winter, following the unexpected success of the Kherson and Kharkiv offensives, when an overstretched Russia was on the ropes and seemingly willing to negotiate. True, back then, Ukraineâs star was ascendent and the planned offensive, then slated for the spring, seemed fraught with terrible potential for Russiaâs leadership. Yet even then, Russia insisted on Kyiv recognising Moscowâs possession of the Ukrainian territories it had just abandoned, an impossible starting condition for talks.
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SubscribeAmericaâs âfickleâ voters, as you describe us, didnât vote to be involved in this civil war; in fact, we werenât asked our opinion at all. We were bombarded with a David vs Goliath propaganda campaign, and those susceptible to sentimental stories spoon fed them by the media lapped it up. Those who didnât were/are derided as âPutin apologistsâ.
Billions of our tax dollars and our own defense matĂ©riels have been sent to (ostensibly) aid Ukraine, whilst our own cities burn and are invaded by foreigners from all over the world. Our leadership, if one can call it that without laughing, is thoroughly corrupt, and doesnât care that we know it. The Bidenâs are confident that, although their Ukraine bribe scandal is out in the open, nothing will be done about it – all whilst the former president is being persecuted and prosecuted for âcrimesâ like expressing opinions and sending emails.
Ukraine is Ukraineâs problem, and its venal little Vogue cover model can get f*cked.
Allison, you are absolutely spot on in your comment.
More like spot off!
More like spot off!
It’s unreal, isn’t it? America rots and burns–our beautiful cities are ringed with homeless encampments, many of them veterans from our other adventures in Empire. I can’t afford anything anymore, my middle class family is struggling, partially because of this madness and for the Biden Crime Family Syndicate’s money laundering operation in Ukraine.
If the little Vogue cover model’s speech to joint session of Congress–the political elites don’t give a f**k about regular Americans. They only care about the globalist agenda, and their stock profiles with Raytheon.
We need a revolution, but it’s not happening within either political party.
In 1942 , The USA became the leader of the free world, Britain was bankrupt. Britain and her Empire accepted the responsibility of opposing Napoleon, ending slavery, fighting Germany in WW1 when not threatened and fighting the Nazis on our own. The Tizard Mission provided the USA with the greatest technological gifts of all time.
President J Kennedy understood that the USA had responsibility as the leader of the Free World, hence his speeches.
“The New Frontier of which I speak is not a set of promises– it is a set of challenges. It sums up not what I intend to offer the American people, but what I intend to ask of them.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge–and more.
The last president to understand the USA’s responsibilities was R Reagan.
If the USA lays down the burden of being the leader of the Free World; China supported by Russia and Iran will become leader of the World and it will not be free.
In 1942 the ‘free world’ had enslaved most of the rest of the world. The ‘free world’ didn’t like the idea of the Germans giving it a taste of its own medicine, however.
In 1942 the ‘free world’ had enslaved most of the rest of the world. The ‘free world’ didn’t like the idea of the Germans giving it a taste of its own medicine, however.
OMG! Where do you get your information? Wait, don’t tell me………..
Might want to look up the definition of civil war there my friend, as one country invading another isnât a civil war
Or perhaps you should look up the definition of civil war. Was the “US Civil War” a civil war or a case of the north invading the south? After all the south had seceded and therefore, for all intent and purposes, was a separate country, was it not? Now, sure the north and Lincoln didn’t regard the confederacy as a separate country, but the confederacy sure did, and the confederacy was fighting to save their way of life (irrespective of what one might think about the tragedy and horrors of slavery in the 19th century) and their homes. The situation vis a vis Ukraine and Russia is not dissimilar to the situation that pertained with the US civil war. And the aggressor in the case of the US civil war, Abraham Lincoln, is regarded as one of the greatest, if not the greatest and wisest, of all US presidents.
The bottom line is that everything depends upon one’s perspective. In the case of Ukraine, the country can basically be divided into east and west, and the east is most definitely Russian in affinity, language and culture. Western Ukraine is a mishmash and was at one time part of Poland. Further Kiev is the birthplace of Russian civilization, albeit in the middle ages.
Given that situation, would it not be better to broker a peace deal that involved partitioning of the country. After all, at the moment, the casualties on the Ukrainian side are piling up at an extraordinary rate and the so-called counteroffensive has been a complete failure.
As for the origins of the current war, the US and NATO have only themselves to blame. After the unification of Germany, the secretary of state James Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO would not advance one inch further east. Well what happened? NATO continued to advance eastward, and the US continued to interfere in countries, such as Ukraine, it had no business interfering in. They engineered the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine and tried to instigate a similar coup in Belarus in 2020. Under those circumstances the Russian reaction is no different from night following day. It was inevitable. And exactly the same situation would have pertained with regard to the US if the equivalent happened close to the borders of the US (e.g. the Cuban missile crisis of 1962).
People upvoted this nonsense?
People upvoted this nonsense?
Or perhaps you should look up the definition of civil war. Was the “US Civil War” a civil war or a case of the north invading the south? After all the south had seceded and therefore, for all intent and purposes, was a separate country, was it not? Now, sure the north and Lincoln didn’t regard the confederacy as a separate country, but the confederacy sure did, and the confederacy was fighting to save their way of life (irrespective of what one might think about the tragedy and horrors of slavery in the 19th century) and their homes. The situation vis a vis Ukraine and Russia is not dissimilar to the situation that pertained with the US civil war. And the aggressor in the case of the US civil war, Abraham Lincoln, is regarded as one of the greatest, if not the greatest and wisest, of all US presidents.
The bottom line is that everything depends upon one’s perspective. In the case of Ukraine, the country can basically be divided into east and west, and the east is most definitely Russian in affinity, language and culture. Western Ukraine is a mishmash and was at one time part of Poland. Further Kiev is the birthplace of Russian civilization, albeit in the middle ages.
Given that situation, would it not be better to broker a peace deal that involved partitioning of the country. After all, at the moment, the casualties on the Ukrainian side are piling up at an extraordinary rate and the so-called counteroffensive has been a complete failure.
As for the origins of the current war, the US and NATO have only themselves to blame. After the unification of Germany, the secretary of state James Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO would not advance one inch further east. Well what happened? NATO continued to advance eastward, and the US continued to interfere in countries, such as Ukraine, it had no business interfering in. They engineered the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine and tried to instigate a similar coup in Belarus in 2020. Under those circumstances the Russian reaction is no different from night following day. It was inevitable. And exactly the same situation would have pertained with regard to the US if the equivalent happened close to the borders of the US (e.g. the Cuban missile crisis of 1962).
Oh, I thought he looked great in that F-16.
Just a matter of taste, I guess.
Thankfully, none of us will be in Russian lines when they start operating.
You should be happy about that.
No need to be so coy – your former pres, the fat, orange draft-dodging one who sleeps in a separate room to his hooker wife, is under investigation for trying to stay in power despite having lost an election. Read the indictment: https://ayenaw.com/2023/08/02/the-big-one/
And why, in a representative democracy, do you think you had a right to be consulted? You’re not the government. Try to acquaint yourself with the basics of how a representative democracy actually works before making a fool of yourself in public. Failing that, move to Switzerland where the model of governance may be more to your âhoi polloi rulesâ tastes.
Allison, you are absolutely spot on in your comment.
It’s unreal, isn’t it? America rots and burns–our beautiful cities are ringed with homeless encampments, many of them veterans from our other adventures in Empire. I can’t afford anything anymore, my middle class family is struggling, partially because of this madness and for the Biden Crime Family Syndicate’s money laundering operation in Ukraine.
If the little Vogue cover model’s speech to joint session of Congress–the political elites don’t give a f**k about regular Americans. They only care about the globalist agenda, and their stock profiles with Raytheon.
We need a revolution, but it’s not happening within either political party.
In 1942 , The USA became the leader of the free world, Britain was bankrupt. Britain and her Empire accepted the responsibility of opposing Napoleon, ending slavery, fighting Germany in WW1 when not threatened and fighting the Nazis on our own. The Tizard Mission provided the USA with the greatest technological gifts of all time.
President J Kennedy understood that the USA had responsibility as the leader of the Free World, hence his speeches.
“The New Frontier of which I speak is not a set of promises– it is a set of challenges. It sums up not what I intend to offer the American people, but what I intend to ask of them.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge–and more.
The last president to understand the USA’s responsibilities was R Reagan.
If the USA lays down the burden of being the leader of the Free World; China supported by Russia and Iran will become leader of the World and it will not be free.
OMG! Where do you get your information? Wait, don’t tell me………..
Might want to look up the definition of civil war there my friend, as one country invading another isnât a civil war
Oh, I thought he looked great in that F-16.
Just a matter of taste, I guess.
Thankfully, none of us will be in Russian lines when they start operating.
You should be happy about that.
No need to be so coy – your former pres, the fat, orange draft-dodging one who sleeps in a separate room to his hooker wife, is under investigation for trying to stay in power despite having lost an election. Read the indictment: https://ayenaw.com/2023/08/02/the-big-one/
And why, in a representative democracy, do you think you had a right to be consulted? You’re not the government. Try to acquaint yourself with the basics of how a representative democracy actually works before making a fool of yourself in public. Failing that, move to Switzerland where the model of governance may be more to your âhoi polloi rulesâ tastes.
Americaâs âfickleâ voters, as you describe us, didnât vote to be involved in this civil war; in fact, we werenât asked our opinion at all. We were bombarded with a David vs Goliath propaganda campaign, and those susceptible to sentimental stories spoon fed them by the media lapped it up. Those who didnât were/are derided as âPutin apologistsâ.
Billions of our tax dollars and our own defense matĂ©riels have been sent to (ostensibly) aid Ukraine, whilst our own cities burn and are invaded by foreigners from all over the world. Our leadership, if one can call it that without laughing, is thoroughly corrupt, and doesnât care that we know it. The Bidenâs are confident that, although their Ukraine bribe scandal is out in the open, nothing will be done about it – all whilst the former president is being persecuted and prosecuted for âcrimesâ like expressing opinions and sending emails.
Ukraine is Ukraineâs problem, and its venal little Vogue cover model can get f*cked.
Right now we appear to be heading towards a Korean peninsular situation, with the difference that Russia will not become a hermit kingdom. It has too many allies outside Europe and the US for that.
It won’t be a stalemate as Ukraine has just smashed its army on the prepared Russian defensive lines without breaking through a single one. There are three. The Russian army is barely touched and vastly larger than what they started with. In addition they are manufacturing artillery shells at three times the rate prior to the start of the SMO whereas Ukraine is begging for ordinance that does not exist.
The losses taken by Ukraine are estimated to be somewhere between 100,000 and 400,000 KIA. No western government or agency will announce this tragedy.
Putin was attempting to negotiate with the US as late as Dec 2021 but was laughed at by Blinken, but the chickens are coming home to roost. Any talk of a frozen conflict is just wishful thinking trying to cover for a western disaster of catastrophic proportions.
I am not sure Ukraine has yet “smashed its army”. It seems to have retained a significant strategic reserve that could be deadly in a war of manoeuvre. The Russian defences are formidable but the Ukrainians are systematically crumbling them. The Ukrainians seem to have the initiative. How many casualties they have suffered and whether there is the stomach to continue this war, is not known but I sense the willingness to give up part of their homeland is not there. What has not been said is what the Ukrainians themselves want.
If The US changes its regime, and/or forces the Ukrainians into a negotiated ceasefire (I cannot see this resolving the long-term situation), we will be effectively rewarding Putin’s Russia for aggression against nation-states. This is appeasement by any other name and this does not work. This prospect is sickening and I believe would be a strategic mistake of gigantic proportions.
Watch Colonel Douglas MacGregor on the conflict (YouTube). He is by far the most reliable commentator (though not the only one).
Ukraine has been used by the neocons in Washington and its NATO allies to try to weaken Russia. In essence, they provoked this conflict by the stance they have taken on Ukraine becoming a member of NATO, which has long been a red line for the Russians. The treatment of ethnic Russians in the eastern part of Ukraine has also been a factor.
Unfortunately they entirely miscalculated Russia’s military strength and resolve. Russia has no interest in governing Ukraine. They will retain the territory they have now annexed, along with Crimea. Ukraine has already lost, is running out of men and weapons. Further attacks – to the last man – will wipe out their military altogether and leave the country a wasteland.
Make peace, you fools….
Watch Colonel Douglas MacGregor on the conflict (YouTube). He is by far the most reliable commentator (though not the only one).
Ukraine has been used by the neocons in Washington and its NATO allies to try to weaken Russia. In essence, they provoked this conflict by the stance they have taken on Ukraine becoming a member of NATO, which has long been a red line for the Russians. The treatment of ethnic Russians in the eastern part of Ukraine has also been a factor.
Unfortunately they entirely miscalculated Russia’s military strength and resolve. Russia has no interest in governing Ukraine. They will retain the territory they have now annexed, along with Crimea. Ukraine has already lost, is running out of men and weapons. Further attacks – to the last man – will wipe out their military altogether and leave the country a wasteland.
Make peace, you fools….
Possibly but I suspect it is too early to dismiss the idea of a stalemate as âjust wishful thinkingâ. Surely one of the main military lessons of the last two years has been that the pendulum has swung back to favouring the defensive (as during WW1) rather than the offensive (as in WW2)? That cuts both ways.
Asinine nonsense.
Telling NATO to butt out of Eastern Europe (which is exactly what Putin demanded) is hardly “negotiating” is it ?
“Russian army is barely touched” loool thats why they’re doing rounds of mobilization (even though publicly putin stated many times that no mobilized soldiers and only contractors will be on the front line) and using a “PMC” to hire cons straight out of jail ? For a supposedly 2nd best army in the world that doesn’t look like “barely touched”
I am not sure Ukraine has yet “smashed its army”. It seems to have retained a significant strategic reserve that could be deadly in a war of manoeuvre. The Russian defences are formidable but the Ukrainians are systematically crumbling them. The Ukrainians seem to have the initiative. How many casualties they have suffered and whether there is the stomach to continue this war, is not known but I sense the willingness to give up part of their homeland is not there. What has not been said is what the Ukrainians themselves want.
If The US changes its regime, and/or forces the Ukrainians into a negotiated ceasefire (I cannot see this resolving the long-term situation), we will be effectively rewarding Putin’s Russia for aggression against nation-states. This is appeasement by any other name and this does not work. This prospect is sickening and I believe would be a strategic mistake of gigantic proportions.
Possibly but I suspect it is too early to dismiss the idea of a stalemate as âjust wishful thinkingâ. Surely one of the main military lessons of the last two years has been that the pendulum has swung back to favouring the defensive (as during WW1) rather than the offensive (as in WW2)? That cuts both ways.
Asinine nonsense.
Telling NATO to butt out of Eastern Europe (which is exactly what Putin demanded) is hardly “negotiating” is it ?
“Russian army is barely touched” loool thats why they’re doing rounds of mobilization (even though publicly putin stated many times that no mobilized soldiers and only contractors will be on the front line) and using a “PMC” to hire cons straight out of jail ? For a supposedly 2nd best army in the world that doesn’t look like “barely touched”
May turn out that way.
But it was two years of stalemate before the ceasefire.
Looks like war til 2025–unless Russia’s economy collapses
Unbelievable.
We are now mired in a stalemate with the Russian Bear on the Eastern European Killing Fields that have almost zero to do with the interests of regular Americansâthe long-game only presents more suffering for the Ukrainians, more death and dismemberment, more disenfranchisement for regular Americans as the middle and working class dies because of rampant inflation, terrible housing costs, and horrific gas prices partially caused by this ill advised war-mongering.
At the same time, the progressive left in America has acquiesced to the war-mongers and the Biden family crime syndicateâs money laundering operation in Ukraine. This whole thing doesnât serve America, it serves a TINY SLIVER of elites in America.
Ann Coulter, whom I despise, has become the face of anti-interventionism in America? We are politically dysfunctional and feudal society, currently run by the woke-militaristic elites. What a sham.
“stalemate” “russian bear” “killing fields” “more suffering for the Ukrainians” “disenfranchisement for regular Americans” “ll advised war-mongering” “the war-mongers and the Biden family” “money laundering operation in Ukraine” “elites in America”
Way to go comrade, you got almost all the propaganda buzzwords ! Here is your 30 rubles !
Okey dokey, whatever you say man. I bet you don’t even live in America. Tell me how all this is going in 5 years.
You are a very stupid person.
>You are a very stupid person.
I’m not the one regurgitating russian propaganda
To attack a commenter personally makes you look bad and invalidates your opinions. If you want to debate authentically it’s preferable to say you think the comments are stupid not the person.
Just reflects a lack of self control.
Don’t turn yourself into a Russian!
That’s why they’re losing.
If he’s Russian, he may have been drunk
Just reflects a lack of self control.
Don’t turn yourself into a Russian!
That’s why they’re losing.
If he’s Russian, he may have been drunk
>You are a very stupid person.
I’m not the one regurgitating russian propaganda
To attack a commenter personally makes you look bad and invalidates your opinions. If you want to debate authentically it’s preferable to say you think the comments are stupid not the person.
He’s just a loyal citizen of the Memeverse.
Okey dokey, whatever you say man. I bet you don’t even live in America. Tell me how all this is going in 5 years.
You are a very stupid person.
He’s just a loyal citizen of the Memeverse.
Hey “S Smith”, are you chaps still based at 55 Savushkina Street, St. Petersburg or has your employer moved to bigger premises to accommodate all the new hires?
Wonder if they ever got the toilet fixed.
Say…maybe that’s why they invaded?
Wonder if they ever got the toilet fixed.
Say…maybe that’s why they invaded?
“stalemate” “russian bear” “killing fields” “more suffering for the Ukrainians” “disenfranchisement for regular Americans” “ll advised war-mongering” “the war-mongers and the Biden family” “money laundering operation in Ukraine” “elites in America”
Way to go comrade, you got almost all the propaganda buzzwords ! Here is your 30 rubles !
Hey “S Smith”, are you chaps still based at 55 Savushkina Street, St. Petersburg or has your employer moved to bigger premises to accommodate all the new hires?
It won’t be a stalemate as Ukraine has just smashed its army on the prepared Russian defensive lines without breaking through a single one. There are three. The Russian army is barely touched and vastly larger than what they started with. In addition they are manufacturing artillery shells at three times the rate prior to the start of the SMO whereas Ukraine is begging for ordinance that does not exist.
The losses taken by Ukraine are estimated to be somewhere between 100,000 and 400,000 KIA. No western government or agency will announce this tragedy.
Putin was attempting to negotiate with the US as late as Dec 2021 but was laughed at by Blinken, but the chickens are coming home to roost. Any talk of a frozen conflict is just wishful thinking trying to cover for a western disaster of catastrophic proportions.
May turn out that way.
But it was two years of stalemate before the ceasefire.
Looks like war til 2025–unless Russia’s economy collapses
Unbelievable.
We are now mired in a stalemate with the Russian Bear on the Eastern European Killing Fields that have almost zero to do with the interests of regular Americansâthe long-game only presents more suffering for the Ukrainians, more death and dismemberment, more disenfranchisement for regular Americans as the middle and working class dies because of rampant inflation, terrible housing costs, and horrific gas prices partially caused by this ill advised war-mongering.
At the same time, the progressive left in America has acquiesced to the war-mongers and the Biden family crime syndicateâs money laundering operation in Ukraine. This whole thing doesnât serve America, it serves a TINY SLIVER of elites in America.
Ann Coulter, whom I despise, has become the face of anti-interventionism in America? We are politically dysfunctional and feudal society, currently run by the woke-militaristic elites. What a sham.
Right now we appear to be heading towards a Korean peninsular situation, with the difference that Russia will not become a hermit kingdom. It has too many allies outside Europe and the US for that.
I legitimately feel bad for Ukraine, and I even feel a bit bad for the Russian people (Putin definitely not included), because Ukrainians and Russians died in a war that America won. The war has greatly served American interests and basically nobody else. In one fell swoop, America expanded NATO, inspired other NATO members to spend money on their own defense, and broke European, dependence on Russian energy, and gave the Chinese a warning regarding attempting something similar in Taiwan. all for the small price of some weapons systems that we needed to combat test anyway. That’s all over though, and the war will increasingly be viewed simply as an expense as time passes. Putin will eventually offer the status quo plus a guarantee of Ukraine being excluded from NATO, and America will nudge them to accept because continuing the war indefinitely in an unbreakable stalemate serves no compelling American interest. It’s an ugly and unfair solution for an ugly and unfair world.
What about feeling bad for Europeans ?
We are plagued by delusional left wing ideologues, completely unable to factor in the consequences of the war in Ukraine when calculating the costs of their great transition. Energy prices soar and that means significant and durable losses in wealth and productivity.
The US part in this war is seen as a hostile act by an increasing number of Europeans and it is very likely, that the loss of geopolitical legitimacy of the USA will be long lasting. I fail to see how severly damaging the united states’ reputation in Europe is ‘greatly serving american interests’.
I also don’t share the author’s view that the Biden clan’s involvement in Ukrainian corruption is ‘completely unrelated’ to the war. I believe there is a huge incentive to ‘protect’ very interesting information in Ukraine, that would not only damage the Bidens, but the entire globalist agenda.
Which in turn is a fundamentally good thing.
Except for the plague of “delusional left wing ideologues” which as a left wing person myself cannot see in your current idiotic leadership, I think you have hit the nail on the head.
Biden is up to his armpits in Ukraine corruption and it can be argued that prolonging the catastrophe is all about hiding his involvement.
It is all going pear shaped and I would be surprised if Zelensky will survive the next 12 months. He has too much dirt on the Western leadership so he will be silenced so it doesn’t get out.
I also think that it is agood thing that the globalist agenda is derailed as there is precious little in it for the ordinary citizen. Currently western politics is all about terrifying the voter, not persuading them with the promise of a better life.
I told a friend just yesterday that I think Zelenskyy has assassination in his near future.
Heâs quite a small target!
Mind you so was the late King Hussein of Jordan who is reputed to survived at least 20 assassination attempts.
However the late Charles de Gaulle offered a much better chance of success but still survived!
Let us hope not.
Bizarre and delusional. Like 80% of the comments on here.
Probably because they’re associated with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
Exactly. Sad isn’t it. Where are the voices of reason?
Probably because they’re associated with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
Exactly. Sad isn’t it. Where are the voices of reason?
Is that something you would like to see ? Wouldn’t you think that Putin’s assassination odds are much higher ?
But because you think it doesn’t make it so.
Speak on, oracle – is this something you: (i) would like to see; (ii) would not like to see; or (iii) have no opinions about?
Heâs quite a small target!
Mind you so was the late King Hussein of Jordan who is reputed to survived at least 20 assassination attempts.
However the late Charles de Gaulle offered a much better chance of success but still survived!
Let us hope not.
Bizarre and delusional. Like 80% of the comments on here.
Is that something you would like to see ? Wouldn’t you think that Putin’s assassination odds are much higher ?
But because you think it doesn’t make it so.
Speak on, oracle – is this something you: (i) would like to see; (ii) would not like to see; or (iii) have no opinions about?
And you know all this how?
I told a friend just yesterday that I think Zelenskyy has assassination in his near future.
And you know all this how?
Er, weren’t people saying that 60 years ago? Funny how events in 1991 sort of disproved that.
Maybe this time it’s different. But even after far worse outcomes than this, Washington never has lost “geopolitical legitimacy.”
The US is still simply too big and wealthy–while both Russia and Chian are too dysfunctional–to change that in your lifetime.
You raise a question I canât answer: The US has pursued, for the last 75 years or so, a foreign policy that has brought it shameful defeat after shameful defeat. When, for heaven sakes when, will the light go off?
America’s rich have rarely, if ever, been defeated.
âWeâ gave them âa damned good thrashingâ in 1812-1814, of which I shall say more on Thursday.
And King Billy won in 1690. All’s well then
And King Billy won in 1690. All’s well then
âWeâ gave them âa damned good thrashingâ in 1812-1814, of which I shall say more on Thursday.
It’s not policy, it’s political incompetence. America is an Empire of Influence and has no idea how to run a real flesh and blood post war administration. It learned too late in Afghanistan that only dealing with those who claim to be ‘Capitalists’ means you have appointed local drugs lords, con men and the mafia etc to run the country. Sarah Chayes wrote a very pertinent article about this titled “Afghanistanâs Corruption Was Made in America”. It’s worth a read.
Er, Al Qaida defeated the US? ISIS defeated the US?
Those were our enemies.
You do see, at least, why you are just lazily repeating memes made up by someone else?
America has tried to impose its liberal democracy on all the countries it has invaded since the end of WW2 without being fully aware of their complex historical, cultural and differing Islamic belief structure. It is that which has led to “defeat after shameful defeat.”
Haven’t seen any terrorist attacks in the US or Europe lately.
That’s really why the war was fought.
Failure, even abject failure, to achieve all stated objectives (of a military action) hardly constitutes “shameful defeat”. For “shameful defeat” see Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, 1945, for starters!
Haven’t seen any terrorist attacks in the US or Europe lately.
That’s really why the war was fought.
Failure, even abject failure, to achieve all stated objectives (of a military action) hardly constitutes “shameful defeat”. For “shameful defeat” see Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, 1945, for starters!
America’s rich have rarely, if ever, been defeated.
It’s not policy, it’s political incompetence. America is an Empire of Influence and has no idea how to run a real flesh and blood post war administration. It learned too late in Afghanistan that only dealing with those who claim to be ‘Capitalists’ means you have appointed local drugs lords, con men and the mafia etc to run the country. Sarah Chayes wrote a very pertinent article about this titled “Afghanistanâs Corruption Was Made in America”. It’s worth a read.
Er, Al Qaida defeated the US? ISIS defeated the US?
Those were our enemies.
You do see, at least, why you are just lazily repeating memes made up by someone else?
America has tried to impose its liberal democracy on all the countries it has invaded since the end of WW2 without being fully aware of their complex historical, cultural and differing Islamic belief structure. It is that which has led to “defeat after shameful defeat.”
You raise a question I canât answer: The US has pursued, for the last 75 years or so, a foreign policy that has brought it shameful defeat after shameful defeat. When, for heaven sakes when, will the light go off?
I hate to say “I told you so” again to all the insane left-woke-warmongerers here in the states (I am still “left” but am so ashamed of it now that I don’t call myself that anymore, and call myself an RFK Jr. populist)—this was how this war was going to end and it was all a money laundering operation for the Biden Crime Family Syndicate. The “I told you so” also went for the horrific corruption of the Covid response and Biden’s insane utilization of incompetents like Fauci and Walensky as front-people. At the same time, we have Trump, whom I also despise and desperately do not want to be president again. It’s a terrible situation in the U.S. right now, and many of us have eschewed both major parties and all allegiance to any political realm and want change from this horror.
I don’t agree with all you say but I second your feelings about the dire need for change in both parties in the US. It’s the same old thing with old white guys as leaders. There’s a desperate need for some people with vision who aren’t self-serving. But good luck with that!!
I don’t agree with all you say but I second your feelings about the dire need for change in both parties in the US. It’s the same old thing with old white guys as leaders. There’s a desperate need for some people with vision who aren’t self-serving. But good luck with that!!
I don’t feel nearly so bad for Europeans because much of the damage is self-inflicted. Nobody forced Germany to close their nuclear plants and instead become dependent on Putin for gas. Nobody forced European governments to basically abandon all defense spending at the end of the Cold War and become wholly dependent on the US. America didn’t force Europeans to embrace the fantasy of NetZero. Also, are you aware most Americans don’t trust or like our politicians, bureaucrats, or corporate leaders? Our leadership, from corporate board rooms to the white house, is less popular in America than in Europe. Do they do anything about it? No, they just keep pursuing their own interests and ignore public opinion as much as possible except during election years. Why should they treat you folks any different eh?
“plagued” – note biblical language.
“significant and durable losses in wealth and productivity …” – note wild and uncorroborated hyperbole.
Had it been left to accountants like you, Britain would have rolled over in WW2. All that blood, sweat and tears just to wade in on the side of Johnny foreigner?
Your WW2 doppelganger would have been out on the streets, ledger book in one hand, white flag in the other.
Except for the plague of “delusional left wing ideologues” which as a left wing person myself cannot see in your current idiotic leadership, I think you have hit the nail on the head.
Biden is up to his armpits in Ukraine corruption and it can be argued that prolonging the catastrophe is all about hiding his involvement.
It is all going pear shaped and I would be surprised if Zelensky will survive the next 12 months. He has too much dirt on the Western leadership so he will be silenced so it doesn’t get out.
I also think that it is agood thing that the globalist agenda is derailed as there is precious little in it for the ordinary citizen. Currently western politics is all about terrifying the voter, not persuading them with the promise of a better life.
Er, weren’t people saying that 60 years ago? Funny how events in 1991 sort of disproved that.
Maybe this time it’s different. But even after far worse outcomes than this, Washington never has lost “geopolitical legitimacy.”
The US is still simply too big and wealthy–while both Russia and Chian are too dysfunctional–to change that in your lifetime.
I hate to say “I told you so” again to all the insane left-woke-warmongerers here in the states (I am still “left” but am so ashamed of it now that I don’t call myself that anymore, and call myself an RFK Jr. populist)—this was how this war was going to end and it was all a money laundering operation for the Biden Crime Family Syndicate. The “I told you so” also went for the horrific corruption of the Covid response and Biden’s insane utilization of incompetents like Fauci and Walensky as front-people. At the same time, we have Trump, whom I also despise and desperately do not want to be president again. It’s a terrible situation in the U.S. right now, and many of us have eschewed both major parties and all allegiance to any political realm and want change from this horror.
I don’t feel nearly so bad for Europeans because much of the damage is self-inflicted. Nobody forced Germany to close their nuclear plants and instead become dependent on Putin for gas. Nobody forced European governments to basically abandon all defense spending at the end of the Cold War and become wholly dependent on the US. America didn’t force Europeans to embrace the fantasy of NetZero. Also, are you aware most Americans don’t trust or like our politicians, bureaucrats, or corporate leaders? Our leadership, from corporate board rooms to the white house, is less popular in America than in Europe. Do they do anything about it? No, they just keep pursuing their own interests and ignore public opinion as much as possible except during election years. Why should they treat you folks any different eh?
“plagued” – note biblical language.
“significant and durable losses in wealth and productivity …” – note wild and uncorroborated hyperbole.
Had it been left to accountants like you, Britain would have rolled over in WW2. All that blood, sweat and tears just to wade in on the side of Johnny foreigner?
Your WW2 doppelganger would have been out on the streets, ledger book in one hand, white flag in the other.
That’s not very accurate. NATO operates by consensus and is NOT American led however much NATO enemies and American MAGA supporters might say that it is. The fact that those enemies of peace, the governments of Russia and China, use American hubris to label the US as an aggressor really is not helped by Americans themselves posturing as the ‘Boss’ of 30 vassal states who do their bidding ! The benefits you mention are true for all peace loving Western friendly nations but rather than being the result of brilliant American long term planning, it’s the result of Putin’s misjudgement. All NATO and its allies had to do was watch Putin make Hitler type errors and think quickly how to exploit them. IMO the Russian Federation needed a reset and when Putin has gone, it can have one and become a prosperous and free society.
Putin won’t offer a status quo that won’t be a defeat for Ukrainians and he’s not in the position to anyways. Russian army isn’t doing so great and they’re losing ground
Don’t confuse them with facts–on the ground or elsewhere.
What facts on the ground are you referring to ?
What facts on the ground are you referring to ?
Don’t confuse them with facts–on the ground or elsewhere.
The one american interest that the stalemate does serve is that it will eventually reduce Europe to a de-industrialized poor-house. The U.S. has proven yet again that it is willing to sacrifice its European allies to achieve its own geopolitical aims. It was the same mentality at work during the tactical nuclear missile standoff of the 1980s: escalate tensions to the boiling point and if the worst-case scenario should come to pass, retreat behind your 2000 mile-wide moat and wait for the conflagration to subside.
What about feeling bad for Europeans ?
We are plagued by delusional left wing ideologues, completely unable to factor in the consequences of the war in Ukraine when calculating the costs of their great transition. Energy prices soar and that means significant and durable losses in wealth and productivity.
The US part in this war is seen as a hostile act by an increasing number of Europeans and it is very likely, that the loss of geopolitical legitimacy of the USA will be long lasting. I fail to see how severly damaging the united states’ reputation in Europe is ‘greatly serving american interests’.
I also don’t share the author’s view that the Biden clan’s involvement in Ukrainian corruption is ‘completely unrelated’ to the war. I believe there is a huge incentive to ‘protect’ very interesting information in Ukraine, that would not only damage the Bidens, but the entire globalist agenda.
Which in turn is a fundamentally good thing.
That’s not very accurate. NATO operates by consensus and is NOT American led however much NATO enemies and American MAGA supporters might say that it is. The fact that those enemies of peace, the governments of Russia and China, use American hubris to label the US as an aggressor really is not helped by Americans themselves posturing as the ‘Boss’ of 30 vassal states who do their bidding ! The benefits you mention are true for all peace loving Western friendly nations but rather than being the result of brilliant American long term planning, it’s the result of Putin’s misjudgement. All NATO and its allies had to do was watch Putin make Hitler type errors and think quickly how to exploit them. IMO the Russian Federation needed a reset and when Putin has gone, it can have one and become a prosperous and free society.
Putin won’t offer a status quo that won’t be a defeat for Ukrainians and he’s not in the position to anyways. Russian army isn’t doing so great and they’re losing ground
The one american interest that the stalemate does serve is that it will eventually reduce Europe to a de-industrialized poor-house. The U.S. has proven yet again that it is willing to sacrifice its European allies to achieve its own geopolitical aims. It was the same mentality at work during the tactical nuclear missile standoff of the 1980s: escalate tensions to the boiling point and if the worst-case scenario should come to pass, retreat behind your 2000 mile-wide moat and wait for the conflagration to subside.
I legitimately feel bad for Ukraine, and I even feel a bit bad for the Russian people (Putin definitely not included), because Ukrainians and Russians died in a war that America won. The war has greatly served American interests and basically nobody else. In one fell swoop, America expanded NATO, inspired other NATO members to spend money on their own defense, and broke European, dependence on Russian energy, and gave the Chinese a warning regarding attempting something similar in Taiwan. all for the small price of some weapons systems that we needed to combat test anyway. That’s all over though, and the war will increasingly be viewed simply as an expense as time passes. Putin will eventually offer the status quo plus a guarantee of Ukraine being excluded from NATO, and America will nudge them to accept because continuing the war indefinitely in an unbreakable stalemate serves no compelling American interest. It’s an ugly and unfair solution for an ugly and unfair world.
There is no “American” or “US” position – in the US political landscape, the country’s foreign/military policies is the dog being wagged by the tail of domestic politics and bureaucratic infighting. That’s how you get jihadis armed and trained by the CIA being bombed by the US Air Force.
It is also how you get a Ukrainian military strategy devised by the cream of neocon military strategists (Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Antony Blinken, etc) and relying on the Triumph of the Will, at odds with the sober and professional assessments by the career officers in the Pentagon.
Good God ! You can’t possibly believe that can you ? Either you are a UI or really are a Putin propagandist. Ukraine’s so called ‘Nazi problem’ is less than that of Moscow alone ! Have you ever been there ?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Nuland and Blinken are neocons has-beens and have been partially responsible for every disastrous U.S. foreign policy decision since 2001. The fact that Biden has them up so high on the pedestal, in addition to the terrible “leadership” of Fauci and Walensky throughout Covid, only shows how utterly incompetent this administration actually is–and how they exist in this bubble that only really works for a tiny sliver of globalist elites. I’m coming from the populist-left in this critique, I despise Trump, but people like me are called “Putin lovers,” “Fascists,” and other ad-hominems for even questioning the blind leading the blind in one of the most corrupt administrations since Nixon.
Good God ! You can’t possibly believe that can you ? Either you are a UI or really are a Putin propagandist. Ukraine’s so called ‘Nazi problem’ is less than that of Moscow alone ! Have you ever been there ?
Nuland and Blinken are neocons has-beens and have been partially responsible for every disastrous U.S. foreign policy decision since 2001. The fact that Biden has them up so high on the pedestal, in addition to the terrible “leadership” of Fauci and Walensky throughout Covid, only shows how utterly incompetent this administration actually is–and how they exist in this bubble that only really works for a tiny sliver of globalist elites. I’m coming from the populist-left in this critique, I despise Trump, but people like me are called “Putin lovers,” “Fascists,” and other ad-hominems for even questioning the blind leading the blind in one of the most corrupt administrations since Nixon.
There is no “American” or “US” position – in the US political landscape, the country’s foreign/military policies is the dog being wagged by the tail of domestic politics and bureaucratic infighting. That’s how you get jihadis armed and trained by the CIA being bombed by the US Air Force.
It is also how you get a Ukrainian military strategy devised by the cream of neocon military strategists (Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Antony Blinken, etc) and relying on the Triumph of the Will, at odds with the sober and professional assessments by the career officers in the Pentagon.
“Ukraine has no choice but to continue fighting” … To the last Ukranian huh?
To the last Russian…
Who hasn’t left yet.
Have you seen the advanced age of some conscripts over there? Be all you can be, Martin.
Most of Russia’s mobiks are pretty old.
But enough dodge the draft so that Putin will never have enough.
Most of Russia’s mobiks are pretty old.
But enough dodge the draft so that Putin will never have enough.
Have you seen the advanced age of some conscripts over there? Be all you can be, Martin.
To the last Russian…
Who hasn’t left yet.
“Ukraine has no choice but to continue fighting” … To the last Ukranian huh?
The torture and murder of (ethnically Russian) Ukrainian citizens after Russia withdrew were undoubtedly carried out by Ukrainian neo-Nazis, as was widely pointed out at the time.
This entire tragedy should never have happened. American neo-cons goaded Putin into military action but the victims are ordinary Ukrainian citizens of all ethnic backgrounds.
“American neo-cons goaded Putin into military action …”
Poor decent Putin, goaded beyond endurance lol.
Interesting. Do you have any credible corroboration for that assertion?
The coup in 2014 engineered by Victoria Nuland isnât enough goading for you?
Victoria Nuland did NOTHING except expressing verbally her delight that the Ukrainians chose to lean West and instead of being embraced by the loving arms of the bare chested Putin.
Recently I was discussing with some journalists and diplomats who could take over from Putin and whether a coup by the Russian Armed Forces might be possible. If there is a coup, it doesn’t mean I engineered it !
Exactly.
Exactly.
Did Victoria Nuland sign these ? Or make Yanukovytch a russian stooge ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-protest_laws_in_Ukraine
Exactly.
Exactly.
I’m laughing as I type this.
“Coups” take place in a matter of hours.
Maidan took place over many months–after a police riot turned a peaceful demonstration into a long term oncfrontation.
Then Yanukovich tried to save himself by killing 100 demonstrators.
After doing that, he paniced and fled. the Rada replaced.
So, was 1789 and 1848 in France a “coup?”
Just a Russian Skazka…
Victoria Nuland did NOTHING except expressing verbally her delight that the Ukrainians chose to lean West and instead of being embraced by the loving arms of the bare chested Putin.
Recently I was discussing with some journalists and diplomats who could take over from Putin and whether a coup by the Russian Armed Forces might be possible. If there is a coup, it doesn’t mean I engineered it !
Did Victoria Nuland sign these ? Or make Yanukovytch a russian stooge ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-protest_laws_in_Ukraine
I’m laughing as I type this.
“Coups” take place in a matter of hours.
Maidan took place over many months–after a police riot turned a peaceful demonstration into a long term oncfrontation.
Then Yanukovich tried to save himself by killing 100 demonstrators.
After doing that, he paniced and fled. the Rada replaced.
So, was 1789 and 1848 in France a “coup?”
Just a Russian Skazka…
The Minsk agreements being deliberate lies (per Merkel, Die Zeit, Dec-22) not enough for you?
Russians must always be duped.
It’s their only real purpose.
Russians must always be duped.
It’s their only real purpose.
The coup in 2014 engineered by Victoria Nuland isnât enough goading for you?
The Minsk agreements being deliberate lies (per Merkel, Die Zeit, Dec-22) not enough for you?
Poor Putin.
He doubtless weeps every time he is forced to rocket an apartment building.
Pray for him!
He heads a gangster regime – we know that. It doesn’t make us or ukraine good. Only infants and idiots believe in stories always being about goodies and baddies.
So why are you defending Minsk agreements if they were based on lies of a gangster regime ?
They were based on the lies of Ukraine, Germany and France as I recall? Is that who you mean by a gangster regime? It was agreed that the secessionist regions would have the right to self-determination (you know, actual democracy in action), but Merkel admitted it was a lie to stall whilst the west pumped weapons and training into the rather appalling Ukrainian regime that came out of the western-backed coup.
Remember? Or aren’t you familiar with the subject?
No, I was referring to Putin’s regime and Putin’s lies. Self determination ? Was that when Russian troops took over Crimea and Putin publicly denied Russia’s involvement ? Do Russians living under Putin’s 20 year regime get the right to self-determination ?
I’m familiar with the subject and I remember how the so called “peoples republics” came into existence and I can bring up many quotes by it’s founders like Pavel Gubarev and Igor Strelkov
No, I was referring to Putin’s regime and Putin’s lies. Self determination ? Was that when Russian troops took over Crimea and Putin publicly denied Russia’s involvement ? Do Russians living under Putin’s 20 year regime get the right to self-determination ?
I’m familiar with the subject and I remember how the so called “peoples republics” came into existence and I can bring up many quotes by it’s founders like Pavel Gubarev and Igor Strelkov
They were based on the lies of Ukraine, Germany and France as I recall? Is that who you mean by a gangster regime? It was agreed that the secessionist regions would have the right to self-determination (you know, actual democracy in action), but Merkel admitted it was a lie to stall whilst the west pumped weapons and training into the rather appalling Ukrainian regime that came out of the western-backed coup.
Remember? Or aren’t you familiar with the subject?
Not sure how the USA differs. Biden & Co. just jail their opponents but so far arenât pushing them out of windows. Then again it seems like anything is possible with this corrupt Biden administration.
So why are you defending Minsk agreements if they were based on lies of a gangster regime ?
Not sure how the USA differs. Biden & Co. just jail their opponents but so far arenât pushing them out of windows. Then again it seems like anything is possible with this corrupt Biden administration.
Who on earth is downvoting you ! What a lot of pro Putin UI’s must post here. I thought it was a forum for independent thought but evidently not.
The cretin in the Kremlin has many friends on these threads.
That’s a scary thought.
That’s a scary thought.
Unfortunately it’s fast becoming a forum for people who think they’re special because they’ve spotted mistakes of the MSM/FBI/CIA/MI5/elites etc, and watched some Scott Ritter youtubes. They’re of the right wing, but as tedious, predictable and nose-led as the woke that they hate and need.
It is indeed. The quality of comments is abysmal. Reading back comments of two years ago they were informative and polite.
The price of popularity! When Unherd first started it was very niche, now it is fast becoming the biggest respectable relatively open minded news source in the Anglosphere. So it has a higher ratio of charming and not so charming, nutters and also become the target of organised comment manipulation.
It looks as though Unherd are striving to keep that element under control, and also do their best to discourage the kind of mindless online aggression that often is unleashed by anonymity. Its by no means perfect, but we can help by not responding to obvious trolls at all, whether individual or organised. And by reminding each other to keep the quality up.
Rule 1, read the post twice slowlyâŠ.before hitting the POST COMMENT button.
The price of popularity! When Unherd first started it was very niche, now it is fast becoming the biggest respectable relatively open minded news source in the Anglosphere. So it has a higher ratio of charming and not so charming, nutters and also become the target of organised comment manipulation.
It looks as though Unherd are striving to keep that element under control, and also do their best to discourage the kind of mindless online aggression that often is unleashed by anonymity. Its by no means perfect, but we can help by not responding to obvious trolls at all, whether individual or organised. And by reminding each other to keep the quality up.
Rule 1, read the post twice slowlyâŠ.before hitting the POST COMMENT button.
It is indeed. The quality of comments is abysmal. Reading back comments of two years ago they were informative and polite.
Do you actually understand the voting system? I don’t. It’s a complete mystery to me. Are you Logan is getting down voted?
Downvotes are a Badge of Honour if they come from St P.
I LOVE them!
Been getting them since 2014!
Paying the useless drones means that many fewer shells for Ukraine.
The names of the voters appear to be hidden to lower the emotional temerature. The curious monkey in me is of course ver disappointed by that, so I canât see who my friends and enemies are, but on balance Iâd rather not have the comments section dominated by chimps like me!
Downvotes are a Badge of Honour if they come from St P.
I LOVE them!
Been getting them since 2014!
Paying the useless drones means that many fewer shells for Ukraine.
The names of the voters appear to be hidden to lower the emotional temerature. The curious monkey in me is of course ver disappointed by that, so I canât see who my friends and enemies are, but on balance Iâd rather not have the comments section dominated by chimps like me!
Fully agree. Disheartening to see the amount of red downvotes trickling down through this discussion board.
The cretin in the Kremlin has many friends on these threads.
Unfortunately it’s fast becoming a forum for people who think they’re special because they’ve spotted mistakes of the MSM/FBI/CIA/MI5/elites etc, and watched some Scott Ritter youtubes. They’re of the right wing, but as tedious, predictable and nose-led as the woke that they hate and need.
Do you actually understand the voting system? I don’t. It’s a complete mystery to me. Are you Logan is getting down voted?
Fully agree. Disheartening to see the amount of red downvotes trickling down through this discussion board.
He heads a gangster regime – we know that. It doesn’t make us or ukraine good. Only infants and idiots believe in stories always being about goodies and baddies.
Who on earth is downvoting you ! What a lot of pro Putin UI’s must post here. I thought it was a forum for independent thought but evidently not.
Wow – you’ve swallowed hook line and sinker, Putin/FSB’s agit-prop in preparation for the war. Did the same thing in Georgia and in Chechnya . No better than the US’s excuses for Iraq, which I’d imagine you didn’t buy? Don’t believe either.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/china/disinformation-about-russias-invasion-ukraine-debunking-seven-myths-spread-russia_en?s=166
We simply didn’t look hard enough for Saddam’s WMD; it’s such a shame we didn’t have deboonkers to set us straight back then.
It does say something that âweâ didnât just âfind themâ.
After all that was standard operational procedure for Scotland Yard and many other such organisations for eons. I gather the technical term is to âplantâ evidence.
Perhaps this time âweâ just knew we would be found out, which would have been even more embarrassing than just waging an aggressive war/invasion.*
(* A capital charge for which not a few were hanged at Nuremberg, as you may recall.)
Well, ‘we’ were a bit more ambitious in Syria what with sponsoring amateur dramatics to prove al-Assad was using his very real chemical weapons. BTW disappointed to see you using eon and not aeon or, ideally, ĂŠon. Are you an undercover Yankee? A, dare I say it, counterfeit Brit?
No just idle!
Yes Syria was farcical, but fortunately despite all the hype it failed.
ps. I donât think my rather elderly I-pad can type Ă!*
How did you manage it?
(* Cut and paste!)
Yes, for all the unpleasantness ‘our’ boys visited upon Syria (idle hands, what with no longer having the opportunity to engage my kinsmen in Ulster or Gibraltar) at least we never saw American marines posing on the ‘hoods’ of Pontiacs and Lincolns in Damascus or Aleppo.
Yes, one copies & pastes ĂŠ Ă€ ĂȘ Ń Ăš ö and all the other ‘archaic’ diacritics to shame those lesser sons and daughters of Albion, Oxbridge-‘educated’, indifferent to the wealth of their mother tongue.
Yes, for all the unpleasantness ‘our’ boys visited upon Syria (idle hands, what with no longer having the opportunity to engage my kinsmen in Ulster or Gibraltar) at least we never saw American marines posing on the ‘hoods’ of Pontiacs and Lincolns in Damascus or Aleppo.
Yes, one copies & pastes ĂŠ Ă€ ĂȘ Ń Ăš ö and all the other ‘archaic’ diacritics to shame those lesser sons and daughters of Albion, Oxbridge-‘educated’, indifferent to the wealth of their mother tongue.
No just idle!
Yes Syria was farcical, but fortunately despite all the hype it failed.
ps. I donât think my rather elderly I-pad can type Ă!*
How did you manage it?
(* Cut and paste!)
Well, ‘we’ were a bit more ambitious in Syria what with sponsoring amateur dramatics to prove al-Assad was using his very real chemical weapons. BTW disappointed to see you using eon and not aeon or, ideally, ĂŠon. Are you an undercover Yankee? A, dare I say it, counterfeit Brit?
What you are ignoring is that Saddam’s scientists may have lied to him about what they had achieved. Most engineers and scientists with technical ability were working in ME in other countries. If Saddam orders a scientist to make WMDs failing to comply would result in torture and death for them and their families.
In WW2 when it came to assessing whether the Nazis were capable of making atom bombs they had scientists of the calibre of Schrodinger, Hahn and Heisenberg plus a vast industrial capability. Iraq had no such people.
I have never seen a description of Iraq’s technical capability which showed it could have produced WMD.
It does say something that âweâ didnât just âfind themâ.
After all that was standard operational procedure for Scotland Yard and many other such organisations for eons. I gather the technical term is to âplantâ evidence.
Perhaps this time âweâ just knew we would be found out, which would have been even more embarrassing than just waging an aggressive war/invasion.*
(* A capital charge for which not a few were hanged at Nuremberg, as you may recall.)
What you are ignoring is that Saddam’s scientists may have lied to him about what they had achieved. Most engineers and scientists with technical ability were working in ME in other countries. If Saddam orders a scientist to make WMDs failing to comply would result in torture and death for them and their families.
In WW2 when it came to assessing whether the Nazis were capable of making atom bombs they had scientists of the calibre of Schrodinger, Hahn and Heisenberg plus a vast industrial capability. Iraq had no such people.
I have never seen a description of Iraq’s technical capability which showed it could have produced WMD.
Spot on.
We simply didn’t look hard enough for Saddam’s WMD; it’s such a shame we didn’t have deboonkers to set us straight back then.
Spot on.
Can you be more specific ?
Clearly he cannot. No surprise.
Clearly he cannot. No surprise.
Disgusting putin regime apologists still regurgitating the same Nazi nonsense as russian state tv pumps out war and genocide propaganda on a daily basis. Meanwhile Russia has wagner group, barrier troops, human trafficking, drug trafficking, 3rd world corruption, political assassinations, political prisoners etc
Disgusting putin regime apologists still regurgitating the same Nazi nonsense as russian state tv pumps out war and genocide propaganda on a daily basis. Meanwhile Russia has wagner group, barrier troops, human trafficking, drug trafficking, 3rd world corruption, political assassinations, political prisoners etc
“American neo-cons goaded Putin into military action …”
Poor decent Putin, goaded beyond endurance lol.
Interesting. Do you have any credible corroboration for that assertion?
Poor Putin.
He doubtless weeps every time he is forced to rocket an apartment building.
Pray for him!
Wow – you’ve swallowed hook line and sinker, Putin/FSB’s agit-prop in preparation for the war. Did the same thing in Georgia and in Chechnya . No better than the US’s excuses for Iraq, which I’d imagine you didn’t buy? Don’t believe either.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/china/disinformation-about-russias-invasion-ukraine-debunking-seven-myths-spread-russia_en?s=166
Can you be more specific ?
Disgusting putin regime apologists still regurgitating the same Nazi nonsense as russian state tv pumps out war and genocide propaganda on a daily basis. Meanwhile Russia has wagner group, barrier troops, human trafficking, drug trafficking, 3rd world corruption, political assassinations, political prisoners etc
Disgusting putin regime apologists still regurgitating the same Nazi nonsense as russian state tv pumps out war and genocide propaganda on a daily basis. Meanwhile Russia has wagner group, barrier troops, human trafficking, drug trafficking, 3rd world corruption, political assassinations, political prisoners etc
The torture and murder of (ethnically Russian) Ukrainian citizens after Russia withdrew were undoubtedly carried out by Ukrainian neo-Nazis, as was widely pointed out at the time.
This entire tragedy should never have happened. American neo-cons goaded Putin into military action but the victims are ordinary Ukrainian citizens of all ethnic backgrounds.