Well done Tim, a lucid description of the reality and brilliantly highlighting the inherent contradictions of those who eat meat and object to the Grind. Is it, simply, because the abattoir (aka. the slaughterhouse) is out of sight and out of mind?
Having worked there for two years, the people and place are unique and very special. The scenery and changeable weather exhilarating. As is their sense of humour.
You reference to the presence of pollutants in their blubber and the strong discouragement of women of child bearing age from partaking reminds of a cartoon in the Sosialurin (local newspaper).
Two pilot whales looking up at the underside of one of the traditional eight man fishing boats with one saying to the other (loosely translated), “800,000 of us and only 40,000 of them, I think we’ll finish them off before they do for us”.
Well done Tim, a lucid description of the reality and brilliantly highlighting the inherent contradictions of those who eat meat and object to the Grind. Is it, simply, because the abattoir (aka. the slaughterhouse) is out of sight and out of mind?
Having worked there for two years, the people and place are unique and very special. The scenery and changeable weather exhilarating. As is their sense of humour.
You reference to the presence of pollutants in their blubber and the strong discouragement of women of child bearing age from partaking reminds of a cartoon in the Sosialurin (local newspaper).
Two pilot whales looking up at the underside of one of the traditional eight man fishing boats with one saying to the other (loosely translated), “800,000 of us and only 40,000 of them, I think we’ll finish them off before they do for us”.
Last edited 9 months ago by John Thorogood
Cathy Carron
9 months ago
Five years or so ago, I visited the The Faroe Islands and was amazed by the industriousness and vitality of the 50,000 islanders spread out on 18 islands which they have and continue to connect via astounding hi-tech tunnels, the aim of which is to make no journey more than a hour between islands. They believe ‘connectivity’ promotes community and encourages the young to stay instead of leaving for Denmark or Norway. The islands endure several fierce storms annually so they are now creating buildings to withstand 250 mph winds versus the usual 180 mph standard. Every detail having to do with their cultural survival is well thought out and executed. Many island nations could learn from the Faroe Islanders. It’s a fascinating country and a well-kept traveler’s secret.
Last edited 9 months ago by Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
9 months ago
Five years or so ago, I visited the The Faroe Islands and was amazed by the industriousness and vitality of the 50,000 islanders spread out on 18 islands which they have and continue to connect via astounding hi-tech tunnels, the aim of which is to make no journey more than a hour between islands. They believe ‘connectivity’ promotes community and encourages the young to stay instead of leaving for Denmark or Norway. The islands endure several fierce storms annually so they are now creating buildings to withstand 250 mph winds versus the usual 180 mph standard. Every detail having to do with their cultural survival is well thought out and executed. Many island nations could learn from the Faroe Islanders. It’s a fascinating country and a well-kept traveler’s secret.
Last edited 9 months ago by Cathy Carron
Martin Butler
9 months ago
It’s just one of those difficult issues where there are good arguments on both sides. No outrage is justified on either side of the argument.
I am not personally interested in hunting anything (apart from communists).
The islanders should be allowed to do what they want where they are.
We have bigger problems in Britain with people coming here who expect their disgusting customs and cultures to prevail over native culture.
One side of the arguement is that tradition counts. That’s a logical fallacy. Tradition per se counts for nothing, it’s whether the tradition is good or evil that matters. And if we examine the tradition in this case I think most would say it’s an unnecessary cruelty.
Same with bullfighting.
Same with foxhunting.
I agree that ‘tradition’ isn’t a reason in itself – however, if that tradition informs a cultural standpoint then it can’t be ignored. Neither bullfighting nor fox hunting were ever about obtaining food, and the element of public entertainment and ‘sport’ are entirely missing from the grindadrap. I also don’t agree that ‘tradition counts for nothing’ because when anyone tries to meddle with another person’s cultural norms you are on a slippery slope – they are what give people their identity. It is significant that ill-judged locally based anti-grind campaigns in Faroes a few years ago resulted in a massive upsurge in people getting their licence to kill – purely because the language used by campaigners was so pejorative.
That is of course the standard argument against bullfighting, fox hunting and in fact field sports in general: that they are ‘unnecessary cruelties’.
With the exception of trout fishing, which I very much enjoy, the other pursuits covered by the list don’t really interest me, personally. But I think it worth considering that none of their proponents defend their activities on the ground of tradition alone, but rather on the fact that the tradition reflects a specific moral good. In other words, the proponents themselves agree with you that the question is whether the tradition is good or evil…
I agree that ‘tradition’ isn’t a reason in itself – however, if that tradition informs a cultural standpoint then it can’t be ignored. Neither bullfighting nor fox hunting were ever about obtaining food, and the element of public entertainment and ‘sport’ are entirely missing from the grindadrap. I also don’t agree that ‘tradition counts for nothing’ because when anyone tries to meddle with another person’s cultural norms you are on a slippery slope – they are what give people their identity. It is significant that ill-judged locally based anti-grind campaigns in Faroes a few years ago resulted in a massive upsurge in people getting their licence to kill – purely because the language used by campaigners was so pejorative.
That is of course the standard argument against bullfighting, fox hunting and in fact field sports in general: that they are ‘unnecessary cruelties’.
With the exception of trout fishing, which I very much enjoy, the other pursuits covered by the list don’t really interest me, personally. But I think it worth considering that none of their proponents defend their activities on the ground of tradition alone, but rather on the fact that the tradition reflects a specific moral good. In other words, the proponents themselves agree with you that the question is whether the tradition is good or evil…
I am not personally interested in hunting anything (apart from communists).
The islanders should be allowed to do what they want where they are.
We have bigger problems in Britain with people coming here who expect their disgusting customs and cultures to prevail over native culture.
One side of the arguement is that tradition counts. That’s a logical fallacy. Tradition per se counts for nothing, it’s whether the tradition is good or evil that matters. And if we examine the tradition in this case I think most would say it’s an unnecessary cruelty.
Same with bullfighting.
Same with foxhunting.
Last edited 9 months ago by Geo Meadows
Martin Butler
9 months ago
It’s just one of those difficult issues where there are good arguments on both sides. No outrage is justified on either side of the argument.
Last edited 9 months ago by Martin Butler
R Wright
9 months ago
Very interesting piece. It is actually Unherd gems like this that make me renew my subscription. While I find the killings distasteful, it is tradition and there aren’t too many of those left.
R Wright
9 months ago
Very interesting piece. It is actually Unherd gems like this that make me renew my subscription. While I find the killings distasteful, it is tradition and there aren’t too many of those left.
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
Thank you, excellent.
Now something similar on the noble art of Bullfighting please!
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
Thank you, excellent.
Now something similar on the noble art of Bullfighting please!
Betsy Arehart
9 months ago
You reference their reverence for a pagan chieftain of times past. If I’m not mistaken, I have heard that the majority of today’s Faroese are Evangelical Christian. Of course that’s no reason not to hold their former chieftain in high regard.
Technically, Lutherans are still the majority. But I mention the pagan Tróndur in the context of the legend – everyone knows the story and he would be seen by most other readers as the ‘baddie’ byt the Faroese don’t regard him as such- they have a very fine grasp of nuance and even- handedness.
Technically, Lutherans are still the majority. But I mention the pagan Tróndur in the context of the legend – everyone knows the story and he would be seen by most other readers as the ‘baddie’ byt the Faroese don’t regard him as such- they have a very fine grasp of nuance and even- handedness.
Nobody in Britain dislikes Boudicca for her paganism. Her incompetent military tactics on the other hand…
Betsy Arehart
9 months ago
You reference their reverence for a pagan chieftain of times past. If I’m not mistaken, I have heard that the majority of today’s Faroese are Evangelical Christian. Of course that’s no reason not to hold their former chieftain in high regard.
Thor Albro
9 months ago
“Why Afghans
Oppress Women.
“Critics ignore centuries of tradition”
Thor Albro
9 months ago
“Why Afghans
Oppress Women.
“Critics ignore centuries of tradition”
Well done Tim, a lucid description of the reality and brilliantly highlighting the inherent contradictions of those who eat meat and object to the Grind. Is it, simply, because the abattoir (aka. the slaughterhouse) is out of sight and out of mind?
Having worked there for two years, the people and place are unique and very special. The scenery and changeable weather exhilarating. As is their sense of humour.
You reference to the presence of pollutants in their blubber and the strong discouragement of women of child bearing age from partaking reminds of a cartoon in the Sosialurin (local newspaper).
Two pilot whales looking up at the underside of one of the traditional eight man fishing boats with one saying to the other (loosely translated), “800,000 of us and only 40,000 of them, I think we’ll finish them off before they do for us”.
Thankyou
Thankyou
Well done Tim, a lucid description of the reality and brilliantly highlighting the inherent contradictions of those who eat meat and object to the Grind. Is it, simply, because the abattoir (aka. the slaughterhouse) is out of sight and out of mind?
Having worked there for two years, the people and place are unique and very special. The scenery and changeable weather exhilarating. As is their sense of humour.
You reference to the presence of pollutants in their blubber and the strong discouragement of women of child bearing age from partaking reminds of a cartoon in the Sosialurin (local newspaper).
Two pilot whales looking up at the underside of one of the traditional eight man fishing boats with one saying to the other (loosely translated), “800,000 of us and only 40,000 of them, I think we’ll finish them off before they do for us”.
Five years or so ago, I visited the The Faroe Islands and was amazed by the industriousness and vitality of the 50,000 islanders spread out on 18 islands which they have and continue to connect via astounding hi-tech tunnels, the aim of which is to make no journey more than a hour between islands. They believe ‘connectivity’ promotes community and encourages the young to stay instead of leaving for Denmark or Norway. The islands endure several fierce storms annually so they are now creating buildings to withstand 250 mph winds versus the usual 180 mph standard. Every detail having to do with their cultural survival is well thought out and executed. Many island nations could learn from the Faroe Islanders. It’s a fascinating country and a well-kept traveler’s secret.
Five years or so ago, I visited the The Faroe Islands and was amazed by the industriousness and vitality of the 50,000 islanders spread out on 18 islands which they have and continue to connect via astounding hi-tech tunnels, the aim of which is to make no journey more than a hour between islands. They believe ‘connectivity’ promotes community and encourages the young to stay instead of leaving for Denmark or Norway. The islands endure several fierce storms annually so they are now creating buildings to withstand 250 mph winds versus the usual 180 mph standard. Every detail having to do with their cultural survival is well thought out and executed. Many island nations could learn from the Faroe Islanders. It’s a fascinating country and a well-kept traveler’s secret.
It’s just one of those difficult issues where there are good arguments on both sides. No outrage is justified on either side of the argument.
Outrage is the default mode for many people these days…..
I am not personally interested in hunting anything (apart from communists).
The islanders should be allowed to do what they want where they are.
We have bigger problems in Britain with people coming here who expect their disgusting customs and cultures to prevail over native culture.
One side of the arguement is that tradition counts. That’s a logical fallacy. Tradition per se counts for nothing, it’s whether the tradition is good or evil that matters. And if we examine the tradition in this case I think most would say it’s an unnecessary cruelty.
Same with bullfighting.
Same with foxhunting.
I agree that ‘tradition’ isn’t a reason in itself – however, if that tradition informs a cultural standpoint then it can’t be ignored. Neither bullfighting nor fox hunting were ever about obtaining food, and the element of public entertainment and ‘sport’ are entirely missing from the grindadrap. I also don’t agree that ‘tradition counts for nothing’ because when anyone tries to meddle with another person’s cultural norms you are on a slippery slope – they are what give people their identity. It is significant that ill-judged locally based anti-grind campaigns in Faroes a few years ago resulted in a massive upsurge in people getting their licence to kill – purely because the language used by campaigners was so pejorative.
That is of course the standard argument against bullfighting, fox hunting and in fact field sports in general: that they are ‘unnecessary cruelties’.
With the exception of trout fishing, which I very much enjoy, the other pursuits covered by the list don’t really interest me, personally. But I think it worth considering that none of their proponents defend their activities on the ground of tradition alone, but rather on the fact that the tradition reflects a specific moral good. In other words, the proponents themselves agree with you that the question is whether the tradition is good or evil…
I agree that ‘tradition’ isn’t a reason in itself – however, if that tradition informs a cultural standpoint then it can’t be ignored. Neither bullfighting nor fox hunting were ever about obtaining food, and the element of public entertainment and ‘sport’ are entirely missing from the grindadrap. I also don’t agree that ‘tradition counts for nothing’ because when anyone tries to meddle with another person’s cultural norms you are on a slippery slope – they are what give people their identity. It is significant that ill-judged locally based anti-grind campaigns in Faroes a few years ago resulted in a massive upsurge in people getting their licence to kill – purely because the language used by campaigners was so pejorative.
That is of course the standard argument against bullfighting, fox hunting and in fact field sports in general: that they are ‘unnecessary cruelties’.
With the exception of trout fishing, which I very much enjoy, the other pursuits covered by the list don’t really interest me, personally. But I think it worth considering that none of their proponents defend their activities on the ground of tradition alone, but rather on the fact that the tradition reflects a specific moral good. In other words, the proponents themselves agree with you that the question is whether the tradition is good or evil…
Outrage is the default mode for many people these days…..
I am not personally interested in hunting anything (apart from communists).
The islanders should be allowed to do what they want where they are.
We have bigger problems in Britain with people coming here who expect their disgusting customs and cultures to prevail over native culture.
One side of the arguement is that tradition counts. That’s a logical fallacy. Tradition per se counts for nothing, it’s whether the tradition is good or evil that matters. And if we examine the tradition in this case I think most would say it’s an unnecessary cruelty.
Same with bullfighting.
Same with foxhunting.
It’s just one of those difficult issues where there are good arguments on both sides. No outrage is justified on either side of the argument.
Very interesting piece. It is actually Unherd gems like this that make me renew my subscription. While I find the killings distasteful, it is tradition and there aren’t too many of those left.
Very interesting piece. It is actually Unherd gems like this that make me renew my subscription. While I find the killings distasteful, it is tradition and there aren’t too many of those left.
Thank you, excellent.
Now something similar on the noble art of Bullfighting please!
Thank you, excellent.
Now something similar on the noble art of Bullfighting please!
You reference their reverence for a pagan chieftain of times past. If I’m not mistaken, I have heard that the majority of today’s Faroese are Evangelical Christian. Of course that’s no reason not to hold their former chieftain in high regard.
Technically, Lutherans are still the majority. But I mention the pagan Tróndur in the context of the legend – everyone knows the story and he would be seen by most other readers as the ‘baddie’ byt the Faroese don’t regard him as such- they have a very fine grasp of nuance and even- handedness.
Nobody in Britain dislikes Boudicca for her paganism. Her incompetent military tactics on the other hand…
Technically, Lutherans are still the majority. But I mention the pagan Tróndur in the context of the legend – everyone knows the story and he would be seen by most other readers as the ‘baddie’ byt the Faroese don’t regard him as such- they have a very fine grasp of nuance and even- handedness.
Nobody in Britain dislikes Boudicca for her paganism. Her incompetent military tactics on the other hand…
You reference their reverence for a pagan chieftain of times past. If I’m not mistaken, I have heard that the majority of today’s Faroese are Evangelical Christian. Of course that’s no reason not to hold their former chieftain in high regard.
“Why Afghans
Oppress Women.
“Critics ignore centuries of tradition”
“Why Afghans
Oppress Women.
“Critics ignore centuries of tradition”