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J Mo
J Mo
8 months ago

This is a variation on an old trick in the TRA playbook:
Brazilian trans prostitutes are more at risk of violence from johns! …therefore… There is a trans genocide in Colchester!
Trans prostitutes in Thailand are more at risk of HIV! …something something… Put a child in Aberdeen on puberty blockers! Save lives!
It’s not the original issue that they care about, it’s what it can be used to justify in other contexts.

J Mo
J Mo
8 months ago

This is a variation on an old trick in the TRA playbook:
Brazilian trans prostitutes are more at risk of violence from johns! …therefore… There is a trans genocide in Colchester!
Trans prostitutes in Thailand are more at risk of HIV! …something something… Put a child in Aberdeen on puberty blockers! Save lives!
It’s not the original issue that they care about, it’s what it can be used to justify in other contexts.

Simon Neale
Simon Neale
8 months ago

In parts of the world, trans prostitutes are up to 80 times more likely than anyone else to be HIV-positive.

There’s a moral in there somewhere – some kind of a small teaching on responsibility and lifestyle choices. I wonder if anyone else can see what it is?

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
8 months ago
Reply to  Simon Neale

I completely agree with you. There seems to be an assumption nowadays that people are not moral agents. I was struck by this assertion in Spiked today- ‘Abortion is a necessity for women. Without it we have no ultimate control over whether, when and with whom we bring a child into this world.’ I guess this is an example in support of the slippery slope argument. The author (Ann Furedi) of the abortion statement is using the argument that used to be reserved for pregnancies resulting from rape. Ann Furedi is using it to support the termination of any pregnancy. She is also suggesting women are completely powerless with regards to impregnation (have no control over the process), that they are victims of random sperm that can come from any man entering their wombs.

Last edited 8 months ago by Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
8 months ago
Reply to  Simon Neale

I completely agree with you. There seems to be an assumption nowadays that people are not moral agents. I was struck by this assertion in Spiked today- ‘Abortion is a necessity for women. Without it we have no ultimate control over whether, when and with whom we bring a child into this world.’ I guess this is an example in support of the slippery slope argument. The author (Ann Furedi) of the abortion statement is using the argument that used to be reserved for pregnancies resulting from rape. Ann Furedi is using it to support the termination of any pregnancy. She is also suggesting women are completely powerless with regards to impregnation (have no control over the process), that they are victims of random sperm that can come from any man entering their wombs.

Last edited 8 months ago by Aphrodite Rises
Simon Neale
Simon Neale
8 months ago

In parts of the world, trans prostitutes are up to 80 times more likely than anyone else to be HIV-positive.

There’s a moral in there somewhere – some kind of a small teaching on responsibility and lifestyle choices. I wonder if anyone else can see what it is?

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
8 months ago

‘But it may also be down to the fact that, in some countries, HIV transmission is beginning to occur at a faster rate among heterosexuals than gay and bisexual men. And this is perhaps in part due to a subsection of heterosexuals, who have transwomen as partners.’
 I don’t understand this. Surely, if a heterosexual has a trans woman as a partner and trans women are women, then a heterosexual and a trans woman is in fact two men and a homosexual relationship: a relationship between two gay men.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
8 months ago

Aaaah, but it’s all subjective you see. If the man you’re having sex with is dressed as a woman, you can kid yourself that this doesn’t count. It’s like calories that ‘don’t count’ in diets.

I read an article where someone who was gay managed to hook up with all sorts of ‘straight’ men as long as he had on his wig from a skip and Primark leggings. But they would never do it with him if he came as nature intended.

The human mind is verily a master at self-deception where your appetites are concerned.

He thought that the men just wanted to have kinky sex in a way they could square with their image of themselves as straight men.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
8 months ago
Reply to  Mike Downing

Does this explain the support from the top for trans ideology? Does Keir Starmer indulge?

Paul Devlin
Paul Devlin
8 months ago

Keir never indulges in anything. He’s far too noble

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago
Reply to  Paul Devlin

The sort of individual my old ma used to refer to as “lights off, through a hole in the nightie”

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago
Reply to  Paul Devlin

The sort of individual my old ma used to refer to as “lights off, through a hole in the nightie”

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
8 months ago

In the YT vid by Jennifer Bilek she has investigated the rapid rise in this particular ideology and found that it is top-down (unlike gay rights which was bottom up lol) and is being pushed by a few billionaires who are in thrall to AGP (autogynephilia).

They have bankrolled apparently neutral think tanks and charity-type organisations to promote all this and create a non-stop news cycle which they can then claim is grassroots driven. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on this and they have high-level contacts all over the place. The tiktok nutters are merely travelling in their slipstream but handily disseminate the nonsense to future converts on the Internet.

Paul Devlin
Paul Devlin
8 months ago

Keir never indulges in anything. He’s far too noble

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
8 months ago

In the YT vid by Jennifer Bilek she has investigated the rapid rise in this particular ideology and found that it is top-down (unlike gay rights which was bottom up lol) and is being pushed by a few billionaires who are in thrall to AGP (autogynephilia).

They have bankrolled apparently neutral think tanks and charity-type organisations to promote all this and create a non-stop news cycle which they can then claim is grassroots driven. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on this and they have high-level contacts all over the place. The tiktok nutters are merely travelling in their slipstream but handily disseminate the nonsense to future converts on the Internet.

David Yetter
David Yetter
8 months ago
Reply to  Mike Downing

No self-deception necessary, simply a Greco-Roman pagan attitude toward sex. (See my reply to the same comment by Aphrodite Rises.)

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
8 months ago
Reply to  Mike Downing

Does this explain the support from the top for trans ideology? Does Keir Starmer indulge?

David Yetter
David Yetter
8 months ago
Reply to  Mike Downing

No self-deception necessary, simply a Greco-Roman pagan attitude toward sex. (See my reply to the same comment by Aphrodite Rises.)

Jane Awdry
Jane Awdry
8 months ago

“Surely, if a heterosexual has a trans woman as a partner and trans women are women, then a heterosexual and a trans woman is in fact two men and a homosexual relationship: a relationship between two gay men.”

I don’t get this – don’t you mean to say:

“Surely, if a heterosexual has a trans woman as a partner and trans women are MEN, then a heterosexual and a trans woman is in fact two men and a homosexual relationship: a relationship between two gay men.”

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago

This is the whole point; that the whole matter is subjective, self-defined and incapable of coherent debate.

David Yetter
David Yetter
8 months ago

Interestingly, since your screen name references the Greek goddess of (erotic) love, you seem fixed on the modern classification of sexuality. Men who mostly lust after women, but will happily satisfy their urges with a feminized man, are simply reviving the old Greco-Roman pagan attitude toward sexual relations, in which the relevant categories were based on roles — active (penetrating) and passive (penetrated) — rather than biological sex. A man with a Greco-Roman pagan attitude toward sex, will equate “straight” with active.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
8 months ago

Aaaah, but it’s all subjective you see. If the man you’re having sex with is dressed as a woman, you can kid yourself that this doesn’t count. It’s like calories that ‘don’t count’ in diets.

I read an article where someone who was gay managed to hook up with all sorts of ‘straight’ men as long as he had on his wig from a skip and Primark leggings. But they would never do it with him if he came as nature intended.

The human mind is verily a master at self-deception where your appetites are concerned.

He thought that the men just wanted to have kinky sex in a way they could square with their image of themselves as straight men.

Jane Awdry
Jane Awdry
8 months ago

“Surely, if a heterosexual has a trans woman as a partner and trans women are women, then a heterosexual and a trans woman is in fact two men and a homosexual relationship: a relationship between two gay men.”

I don’t get this – don’t you mean to say:

“Surely, if a heterosexual has a trans woman as a partner and trans women are MEN, then a heterosexual and a trans woman is in fact two men and a homosexual relationship: a relationship between two gay men.”

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago

This is the whole point; that the whole matter is subjective, self-defined and incapable of coherent debate.

David Yetter
David Yetter
8 months ago

Interestingly, since your screen name references the Greek goddess of (erotic) love, you seem fixed on the modern classification of sexuality. Men who mostly lust after women, but will happily satisfy their urges with a feminized man, are simply reviving the old Greco-Roman pagan attitude toward sexual relations, in which the relevant categories were based on roles — active (penetrating) and passive (penetrated) — rather than biological sex. A man with a Greco-Roman pagan attitude toward sex, will equate “straight” with active.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
8 months ago

‘But it may also be down to the fact that, in some countries, HIV transmission is beginning to occur at a faster rate among heterosexuals than gay and bisexual men. And this is perhaps in part due to a subsection of heterosexuals, who have transwomen as partners.’
 I don’t understand this. Surely, if a heterosexual has a trans woman as a partner and trans women are women, then a heterosexual and a trans woman is in fact two men and a homosexual relationship: a relationship between two gay men.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
8 months ago

The combination of blue hair, pasty skin and a figure the same shape as a Russell Hobbs toaster, does encourage sexual abstinence, I’ll give you that.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dumetrius
Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
8 months ago
Reply to  Dumetrius

Then again, some people will just ‘insert’ no matter where an orifice is located, which again verifies that there’s no accounting for taste.

Last edited 8 months ago by Cathy Carron
Bryan Dale
Bryan Dale
8 months ago
Reply to  Dumetrius

I don’t get it. Why go for that when real women are so much more attractive. It’s like voting for DeSantis over Trump.

Mike Downing
Mike Downing
8 months ago
Reply to  Bryan Dale

It’s just a kink thing; transgressive but kind of looks like the real thing. How to have your cake and eat it ?

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
8 months ago
Reply to  Bryan Dale

The simple answer is that no-one goes for the blue-hair, Russell-Hobbs-toaster-physique crowd.

They have entered the ‘LGBTQ’ mainly because of narcissism and wanting to seem special. I don’t think many of them are there to date anyway, which is just a as well, since I know almost no gay men who go out with them.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dumetrius
Mike Downing
Mike Downing
8 months ago
Reply to  Bryan Dale

It’s just a kink thing; transgressive but kind of looks like the real thing. How to have your cake and eat it ?

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
8 months ago
Reply to  Bryan Dale

The simple answer is that no-one goes for the blue-hair, Russell-Hobbs-toaster-physique crowd.

They have entered the ‘LGBTQ’ mainly because of narcissism and wanting to seem special. I don’t think many of them are there to date anyway, which is just a as well, since I know almost no gay men who go out with them.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dumetrius
Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
8 months ago
Reply to  Dumetrius

Then again, some people will just ‘insert’ no matter where an orifice is located, which again verifies that there’s no accounting for taste.

Last edited 8 months ago by Cathy Carron
Bryan Dale
Bryan Dale
8 months ago
Reply to  Dumetrius

I don’t get it. Why go for that when real women are so much more attractive. It’s like voting for DeSantis over Trump.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
8 months ago

The combination of blue hair, pasty skin and a figure the same shape as a Russell Hobbs toaster, does encourage sexual abstinence, I’ll give you that.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dumetrius
Jane Anderson
Jane Anderson
8 months ago

Is the implication that men who ‘identify as women’ are working in prostitution purely to be able to afford ‘gender affirming’ treatment? This is simply not true. Trans prostitutes are very much an essential part of the queering project – which is absolutely centred transgressing all sexual and gender boundaries.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
8 months ago
Reply to  Jane Anderson

Romans 1:24-28

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
8 months ago
Reply to  Jane Anderson

Romans 1:24-28

Jane Anderson
Jane Anderson
8 months ago

Is the implication that men who ‘identify as women’ are working in prostitution purely to be able to afford ‘gender affirming’ treatment? This is simply not true. Trans prostitutes are very much an essential part of the queering project – which is absolutely centred transgressing all sexual and gender boundaries.

Paul Thompson
Paul Thompson
8 months ago

Those affirming moms and dads should read this. When you enable Little Jimmie to become “L’ll Hot Jam” and get those breast implants, what you are doing is greasing the skids to that high-paying career as a prostitute.

Paul Thompson
Paul Thompson
8 months ago

Those affirming moms and dads should read this. When you enable Little Jimmie to become “L’ll Hot Jam” and get those breast implants, what you are doing is greasing the skids to that high-paying career as a prostitute.

Max Price
Max Price
8 months ago

Why not give out free drugs to needle users to incentivise screening.

Max Price
Max Price
8 months ago

Why not give out free drugs to needle users to incentivise screening.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
8 months ago

The Terence Higgins Trust goes full Iran.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
8 months ago

The Terence Higgins Trust goes full Iran.

William Miller
William Miller
8 months ago

Isn’t HIV almost 100% preventable, where as, say cancer is not? Wondering where the funding should be going.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
8 months ago
Reply to  William Miller

When reading this article the word ‘condom’ came to mind.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
8 months ago
Reply to  William Miller

When reading this article the word ‘condom’ came to mind.

William Miller
William Miller
8 months ago

Isn’t HIV almost 100% preventable, where as, say cancer is not? Wondering where the funding should be going.

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
8 months ago

Reminiscent of the famous stat whereby Iran has the largest number of gender transition operations in the world because it’s safer to change sex than to be gay.
This is also said to be a driving force for gender interventions in multicultural society where it’s better to have an ‘opposite-gendered’ than a gay child.
I cannot get away from the instinct that an eschatological cult is involved in propagating the gender cult here. Yes, it is obviously transhumanism but is ever-widening revolutionary scope suggests a sect is driving the push to infiltrate public health policy: Freemasons, Manicheans, Gnostics or Hermetics, or a new spin on the Satanism of the San Francisco churches?

Jane Awdry
Jane Awdry
8 months ago
Reply to  Tyler Durden

“Reminiscent of the famous stat whereby Iran has the largest number of gender transition operations in the world because it’s safer to change sex than to be gay.”

Also applies to Catholics. My sister married a Catholic man who has at the age of 58 decided he wants to be a woman. Turns out he’s gay, ie, no more relationships with vagina-havers.
But the only people he hangs around with & who’ll have him, with his fancy new breasts, lasered face, pumped up lips & 50s stereotype clothing preferences are other men with the same proclivities & who also have fake breasts etc.
It’s a subset all of its own…

Jane Awdry
Jane Awdry
8 months ago
Reply to  Tyler Durden

“Reminiscent of the famous stat whereby Iran has the largest number of gender transition operations in the world because it’s safer to change sex than to be gay.”

Also applies to Catholics. My sister married a Catholic man who has at the age of 58 decided he wants to be a woman. Turns out he’s gay, ie, no more relationships with vagina-havers.
But the only people he hangs around with & who’ll have him, with his fancy new breasts, lasered face, pumped up lips & 50s stereotype clothing preferences are other men with the same proclivities & who also have fake breasts etc.
It’s a subset all of its own…

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
8 months ago

Reminiscent of the famous stat whereby Iran has the largest number of gender transition operations in the world because it’s safer to change sex than to be gay.
This is also said to be a driving force for gender interventions in multicultural society where it’s better to have an ‘opposite-gendered’ than a gay child.
I cannot get away from the instinct that an eschatological cult is involved in propagating the gender cult here. Yes, it is obviously transhumanism but is ever-widening revolutionary scope suggests a sect is driving the push to infiltrate public health policy: Freemasons, Manicheans, Gnostics or Hermetics, or a new spin on the Satanism of the San Francisco churches?

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
8 months ago

I do not understand. Sodomites want sex with males, yes? They reject females, yes? So how is it that they are attracted to males pretending to be females? Someone please explain this to me. If I don’t like icecream, but I do like custard, why would I want my custard served to me in a cone so that it mimics icecream? I don’t like icecream! I honestly want to understand this.

Paul T
Paul T
8 months ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Its just their thing.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
8 months ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

We’re not attracted, is the answer.

Get someone to show you the Grindr hookup app, which now is open to the whole ‘LGBTQ’ spectrum.

On the grid displayed, of nearby potential hookups, for just about any gay man, you will not see any trans, anyone ‘queer’, anyone wearing women’s clothes, make-up, or any hint of femaleness at all.

Lesbians, for their part, don’t use it at all.

But why don’t you see any of these other minorities ?

Well, Grindr, despite preaching acceptance and diversity, lets its users block profiles they don’t want to see. As you only get 100 free profiles to view, you eliminate those you’re not interested in or compatible with.
What’s happening here is that the official narrative is that the LGBTQ is one big happy family. Which can act as a dating society – principally for new arrivals into the acronym, the ‘TQ’ people, who erroneously believe gay men and lesbians want to date them.

This ‘official’ narrative of course, is nothing to do with the way sexual attraction works.

Most of the T on Grindr are sex workers, and there’s a demographic of straight-identifying men who have joined Grindr, since they’re interested in that group.

The few Q are just ultra-woke people. I am not sure any group is interested in them.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dumetrius
Paul T
Paul T
8 months ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Its just their thing.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
8 months ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

We’re not attracted, is the answer.

Get someone to show you the Grindr hookup app, which now is open to the whole ‘LGBTQ’ spectrum.

On the grid displayed, of nearby potential hookups, for just about any gay man, you will not see any trans, anyone ‘queer’, anyone wearing women’s clothes, make-up, or any hint of femaleness at all.

Lesbians, for their part, don’t use it at all.

But why don’t you see any of these other minorities ?

Well, Grindr, despite preaching acceptance and diversity, lets its users block profiles they don’t want to see. As you only get 100 free profiles to view, you eliminate those you’re not interested in or compatible with.
What’s happening here is that the official narrative is that the LGBTQ is one big happy family. Which can act as a dating society – principally for new arrivals into the acronym, the ‘TQ’ people, who erroneously believe gay men and lesbians want to date them.

This ‘official’ narrative of course, is nothing to do with the way sexual attraction works.

Most of the T on Grindr are sex workers, and there’s a demographic of straight-identifying men who have joined Grindr, since they’re interested in that group.

The few Q are just ultra-woke people. I am not sure any group is interested in them.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dumetrius
Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
8 months ago

I do not understand. Sodomites want sex with males, yes? They reject females, yes? So how is it that they are attracted to males pretending to be females? Someone please explain this to me. If I don’t like icecream, but I do like custard, why would I want my custard served to me in a cone so that it mimics icecream? I don’t like icecream! I honestly want to understand this.

John Taylor
John Taylor
8 months ago

A related argument to this is that transgenders are more likely to engage in prostitution because of stigma and discrimination, but, from personal observation in Baltimore, which for years was a mecca for transgender surgery because it had the only sex change clinic in the country,
I never heard once of such discrimination. There are jobs where transgenders can find work, such as cosmetology and geriatric aide. They were walking the streets because that’s what their image of women was: whores, reinforcing for me at least, that much of this trans fad is, a form of fetish.

Bryan Dale
Bryan Dale
8 months ago

It may reduce aids but it won’t be eliminated until a real cure or highly effective vaccine is found.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
8 months ago

I wish people who worry about serious public debate would define what they mean by it. It seems every agency fighting aids talking about it and articles in publications like this one aren’t enough.
If an adult wants to transition and does not want to wait that is his/her right. If they regret it later that is their responsibility. I will never understand why so many want the state to protect people from themselves.
We should be fighting the fights that matter, ending gender affirming care for children and the violation of women only spaces, not worrying about what consenting adults do to their own bodies. And if this cohort is more vulnerable to HIV than we should do whatever it takes to prevent infections.

Last edited 8 months ago by Benjamin Greco
ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

Looking elsewhere on todays’ press, we see a story about a known sex offender, substance abuser and mental health case who has donned a pink t shirt and announced they have “changed gender” immediately prior to a court appearance.

We might start by a general purge from the Statute Rolls, of whatever mental contortions allow this sort of blatant disruption of due process, the simple recognition that these people are mentally ill and cannot be taken seriously.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

Looking elsewhere on todays’ press, we see a story about a known sex offender, substance abuser and mental health case who has donned a pink t shirt and announced they have “changed gender” immediately prior to a court appearance.

We might start by a general purge from the Statute Rolls, of whatever mental contortions allow this sort of blatant disruption of due process, the simple recognition that these people are mentally ill and cannot be taken seriously.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
8 months ago

I wish people who worry about serious public debate would define what they mean by it. It seems every agency fighting aids talking about it and articles in publications like this one aren’t enough.
If an adult wants to transition and does not want to wait that is his/her right. If they regret it later that is their responsibility. I will never understand why so many want the state to protect people from themselves.
We should be fighting the fights that matter, ending gender affirming care for children and the violation of women only spaces, not worrying about what consenting adults do to their own bodies. And if this cohort is more vulnerable to HIV than we should do whatever it takes to prevent infections.

Last edited 8 months ago by Benjamin Greco
ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago

AIDS/HIV is a good old-fashioned STD transmitted by promiscuity and lack of precautions. It became particularly associated with homosexuality because those characteristics were particularly associated with certain aspects of homosexual practice in the West.

In sub-Saharan Africa it is a general epidemic resulting from general sexual incontinence, primarily driven by male behaviour there.

It is much less so in the Islamic world because of the closed, puritanical character of societies there (although it is difficult to tell, given the minimal data actually published)

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
8 months ago

It’s difficult to understand why there will be less transmission if the intercourse is ‘vaginal’ than if it is a**l, that is assuming that the client doesn’t continue to prefer a**l sex. Perhaps the solution is for men to have less intercourse with prostitutes and when they do use a condom.