My family and I stay in YHA’s a few times a year. Except for the foreign school groups, the other guests are much like us: middle class, middle aged or older, decked out by Decathlon, many other weekend and midweek get aways booked, and checked in to a 3-6 person YHA room with close friends or family or just themselves. The YHA is now just one of many choices we have for our weekends.
The willingness to share a communal bedroom has disappeared with rising average material prosperity. That leaves the YHA with lots of properties that don’t meet modern preferences. At the price point of the market the YHA operates in, it isn’t economic to convert these properties to single occupancy rooms.
Meanwhile, as the article mentions, accomodation for travelling was once hard to find, whereas now Premier Inns and Airbnbs are everywhere. This has taken away a large amount of the YHA’s former market, depressing occupancy rates midweek.
Let’s also not overlook the terrible senior management of the YHA. Well meaning Guardian readers do not maketh mangers of properly advertised competitive hospitality. Life members want the place run for their benefit. It has revenue hot spots in cities that it refuses to capitalise because it doesn’t want to become a hotelier. It has those 3-6 person rooms out in the sticks sitting empty mid week as it refuses to actively advertise the single occupancy deal because it is still wedded to the dorm ethos and doesn’t understand marginal revenue.
I’m saddened to read the Guardian’s fevered Brexit derangement still has found no cure. They are partly right: there are fewer foreign school trips. There are also fewer UK school trips within the UK. It clearly isn’t Brexit. If they bothered to investigate, they’d find yet another story demonstrating the awful folly of the lockdowns and school closures they loudly championed. The consequent economic and social catastrophe that many seem reluctant to acknowledge has meant the school trip has never recovered. Teachers have been relieved of the former expectation of organising them, kids have stopped leaving the house, and parents are unwilling or unable to pay.
Often it is that teachers are prepared to give up their spare time to organise and escort trips. It is schools that are unable or unwilling to pay for the cover of these teachers, as the trips are in school term time and lessons back at school are continuing.
Yes, I agree. Both my elder sons, now in their 20’s, had many school trip opportunities. My 16 year old, as he is acutely aware, has had none.
Another example, albeit relatively trivial, of the catastrophic consequences of lockdowns. The Guardianistas are, of course, wilfully blind to this, seeing all negative consequences through the prism of Brexit.
Youth hostels long ceased to be be for young people. I’m late 50s and single and I’ve been a regular hosteller for the past 15 years or so. Generally most of the other visitors are older!
But the YHA has lost the plot. Nearly all hostels are now group booking only. So they have given up on the solo traveller. This might have been understandable post-pandemic in 2020-21, but is unacceptable now. I can only find one hostel taking solo bookings in the north of England!
I suspect this is more about staffing than foreign school parties. There may be some EU nationals no longer working in hostels, but from experience it’s always been young British people looking for an unpaid working holiday. Maybe they aren’t prepared to do this anymore?
Often it is that teachers are prepared to give up their spare time to organise and escort trips. It is schools that are unable or unwilling to pay for the cover of these teachers, as the trips are in school term time and lessons back at school are continuing.
Yes, I agree. Both my elder sons, now in their 20’s, had many school trip opportunities. My 16 year old, as he is acutely aware, has had none.
Another example, albeit relatively trivial, of the catastrophic consequences of lockdowns. The Guardianistas are, of course, wilfully blind to this, seeing all negative consequences through the prism of Brexit.
Youth hostels long ceased to be be for young people. I’m late 50s and single and I’ve been a regular hosteller for the past 15 years or so. Generally most of the other visitors are older!
But the YHA has lost the plot. Nearly all hostels are now group booking only. So they have given up on the solo traveller. This might have been understandable post-pandemic in 2020-21, but is unacceptable now. I can only find one hostel taking solo bookings in the north of England!
I suspect this is more about staffing than foreign school parties. There may be some EU nationals no longer working in hostels, but from experience it’s always been young British people looking for an unpaid working holiday. Maybe they aren’t prepared to do this anymore?
My family and I stay in YHA’s a few times a year. Except for the foreign school groups, the other guests are much like us: middle class, middle aged or older, decked out by Decathlon, many other weekend and midweek get aways booked, and checked in to a 3-6 person YHA room with close friends or family or just themselves. The YHA is now just one of many choices we have for our weekends.
The willingness to share a communal bedroom has disappeared with rising average material prosperity. That leaves the YHA with lots of properties that don’t meet modern preferences. At the price point of the market the YHA operates in, it isn’t economic to convert these properties to single occupancy rooms.
Meanwhile, as the article mentions, accomodation for travelling was once hard to find, whereas now Premier Inns and Airbnbs are everywhere. This has taken away a large amount of the YHA’s former market, depressing occupancy rates midweek.
Let’s also not overlook the terrible senior management of the YHA. Well meaning Guardian readers do not maketh mangers of properly advertised competitive hospitality. Life members want the place run for their benefit. It has revenue hot spots in cities that it refuses to capitalise because it doesn’t want to become a hotelier. It has those 3-6 person rooms out in the sticks sitting empty mid week as it refuses to actively advertise the single occupancy deal because it is still wedded to the dorm ethos and doesn’t understand marginal revenue.
I’m saddened to read the Guardian’s fevered Brexit derangement still has found no cure. They are partly right: there are fewer foreign school trips. There are also fewer UK school trips within the UK. It clearly isn’t Brexit. If they bothered to investigate, they’d find yet another story demonstrating the awful folly of the lockdowns and school closures they loudly championed. The consequent economic and social catastrophe that many seem reluctant to acknowledge has meant the school trip has never recovered. Teachers have been relieved of the former expectation of organising them, kids have stopped leaving the house, and parents are unwilling or unable to pay.
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Steve Murray
9 months ago
A left-field but interesting piece by MH. I wonder if “Bill” might read it and add his take on their bike-ride to Comments (no fakes, please!)
I only went youth hostelling once, to the Lake District for a few days with a mixed-sex end of school year party accompanied by a few teachers. After a mainly soggy day’s tramping over fells and through bogs, the teachers headed for the local village pub leaving us to our own devices. Since us midteen lads had spent most of the time surveying the girls (and vice versa) rather than the misty scenery, we utilised the evenings to good (although fairly innocent) effect. On the last night, i managed to procure a couple of bottles of cider from an offie, which made our snogging sessions a bit more robust, only interrupted by the half-drunk teachers returning before things progressed too far.
I went youth hostelling twice in my mid teens with two friends. Our mothers made us promise we wouldn’t hitchhike but of course …. we sometimes hitchhiked. Whenever I remember that period of my life in 1969-71, I wonder whether parents today would allow their teenage daughters to wander the countryside by themselves (no mobile phones, no laptops, just postcards and occasional calls to mums from telephone boxes). The whole process – no adult involved – was an exercise in growing up. The route planning using hard copy ordnance survey maps (manual, no google remember), the booking of hostels, the independence from parents for a week. All this by girls now categorised as ‘children’.
The whole thing was completely formative. I can identify geographical locations in the Lake District where I had particular emotional experiences which were entirely new to me or new in their intensity. The loneliness I felt was certainly intense, but I’m hard pressed to think of times I have felt lonely since.
Obviously my age had a lot to do with it. It’s interesting that this is around the age that rites of passage take place in many traditional societies. Perhaps I unwittingly arranged my own rite of passage.
There was also a tremendous sense of independence, and a realisation of how easy it is to be happy – how little it actually takes – which has informed the rest of my life.
I would say the only comparable experience was that of having children.
The whole thing was completely formative. I can identify geographical locations in the Lake District where I had particular emotional experiences which were entirely new to me or new in their intensity. The loneliness I felt was certainly intense, but I’m hard pressed to think of times I have felt lonely since.
Obviously my age had a lot to do with it. It’s interesting that this is around the age that rites of passage take place in many traditional societies. Perhaps I unwittingly arranged my own rite of passage.
There was also a tremendous sense of independence, and a realisation of how easy it is to be happy – how little it actually takes – which has informed the rest of my life.
I would say the only comparable experience was that of having children.
My 17 year old daughter and her friends went backpacking by themselves in the Canadian wilderness out of cell range. They planned and organized the entire thing. So we aren’t all helicopter parents. But I will admit that I am not sure I would be open to a hitch hiking trip for her.
My 17 year old daughter and her friends went backpacking by themselves in the Canadian wilderness out of cell range. They planned and organized the entire thing. So we aren’t all helicopter parents. But I will admit that I am not sure I would be open to a hitch hiking trip for her.
I went youth hostelling twice in my mid teens with two friends. Our mothers made us promise we wouldn’t hitchhike but of course …. we sometimes hitchhiked. Whenever I remember that period of my life in 1969-71, I wonder whether parents today would allow their teenage daughters to wander the countryside by themselves (no mobile phones, no laptops, just postcards and occasional calls to mums from telephone boxes). The whole process – no adult involved – was an exercise in growing up. The route planning using hard copy ordnance survey maps (manual, no google remember), the booking of hostels, the independence from parents for a week. All this by girls now categorised as ‘children’.
A left-field but interesting piece by MH. I wonder if “Bill” might read it and add his take on their bike-ride to Comments (no fakes, please!)
I only went youth hostelling once, to the Lake District for a few days with a mixed-sex end of school year party accompanied by a few teachers. After a mainly soggy day’s tramping over fells and through bogs, the teachers headed for the local village pub leaving us to our own devices. Since us midteen lads had spent most of the time surveying the girls (and vice versa) rather than the misty scenery, we utilised the evenings to good (although fairly innocent) effect. On the last night, i managed to procure a couple of bottles of cider from an offie, which made our snogging sessions a bit more robust, only interrupted by the half-drunk teachers returning before things progressed too far.
Happy days!
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Mike Downing
9 months ago
I stopped going to YHAs when I was no longer young enough to put up with nights of interrupted sleep. But before that I had noticed that the me culture had all but destroyed any pretence of communality. They used to say that you’d meet lots of interesting people in YHAs but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody. What solipsistic desperate lives we lead.
Of course you put your finger right on one reason for our low birthrate crisis and our “bowling alone” lives and our couch-potatoing; the simple pleasure of talking to strangers is very unappealing to many people now, especially younger ones.
” …but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody.”
I am very happy to report that this has not been our experience of hostelling in the UK over the last 18 months.
In brief – 5 hostels both YHA and Independent options (https://independenthostels.co.uk/ there are 323 of these currently) all over the UK. A great deal cheaper than Air BnB’s in their companion areas. Much more interesting company than you would find in a Premier Inn or a Travel Lodge. Comfy rooms en suite if you so desire. Decent food + alcohol. Lots of families during school holidays. The conversations occur in the communal kitchens, in the main. Glamping available if you don’t want to be in a dorm or your own room.
And most importantly, if you want to book an ensuite room in the high season anywhere you need to do it at leat 3 months in advance. That’s not to say that the YHA as an organisation don’t have serious management / strategic vision problems but I wouldn’t kiss offf the hostelling scene in the UK just yet.
Great value for money especially in these straightened times.
Of course you put your finger right on one reason for our low birthrate crisis and our “bowling alone” lives and our couch-potatoing; the simple pleasure of talking to strangers is very unappealing to many people now, especially younger ones.
” …but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody.”
I am very happy to report that this has not been our experience of hostelling in the UK over the last 18 months.
In brief – 5 hostels both YHA and Independent options (https://independenthostels.co.uk/ there are 323 of these currently) all over the UK. A great deal cheaper than Air BnB’s in their companion areas. Much more interesting company than you would find in a Premier Inn or a Travel Lodge. Comfy rooms en suite if you so desire. Decent food + alcohol. Lots of families during school holidays. The conversations occur in the communal kitchens, in the main. Glamping available if you don’t want to be in a dorm or your own room.
And most importantly, if you want to book an ensuite room in the high season anywhere you need to do it at leat 3 months in advance. That’s not to say that the YHA as an organisation don’t have serious management / strategic vision problems but I wouldn’t kiss offf the hostelling scene in the UK just yet.
Great value for money especially in these straightened times.
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Mike Downing
9 months ago
I stopped going to YHAs when I was no longer young enough to put up with nights of interrupted sleep. But before that I had noticed that the me culture had all but destroyed any pretence of communality. They used to say that you’d meet lots of interesting people in YHAs but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody. What solipsistic desperate lives we lead.
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Simon Neale
9 months ago
According to John Harris in The Guardian, YHA “insiders” report that Brexit has also hit hostelling
Of course. Along with bee-keeping, truthfulness, sunny weather, species diversity, the NHS, civility, craft beers, good parenting, decent shoelaces, motherhood, and apple pie.
The Guardian is certainly tedious in that way, and others. Lets not use that to try hide that Brexit is turning out to be a great act of delf-harm, as overwhelmingly predicted by those terrible people, experts, elites Brexit has failed, even Farage says so, and many are justifiably furious.
I thought the argument was that insofar as Brexit has failed (not sure it has), the failure is in large part the result of the foot-dragging and undermining done by those very same elites who never wanted it to begin with. It’s all so very ‘Yes Minister’ – electorate be damned.
I thought the argument was that insofar as Brexit has failed (not sure it has), the failure is in large part the result of the foot-dragging and undermining done by those very same elites who never wanted it to begin with. It’s all so very ‘Yes Minister’ – electorate be damned.
The Guardian is certainly tedious in that way, and others. Lets not use that to try hide that Brexit is turning out to be a great act of delf-harm, as overwhelmingly predicted by those terrible people, experts, elites Brexit has failed, even Farage says so, and many are justifiably furious.
Simon Neale
9 months ago
According to John Harris in The Guardian, YHA “insiders” report that Brexit has also hit hostelling
Of course. Along with bee-keeping, truthfulness, sunny weather, species diversity, the NHS, civility, craft beers, good parenting, decent shoelaces, motherhood, and apple pie.
Jonathan Andrews
9 months ago
I enjoyed this, thank you. I’m not sure what conclusion I’ll take away but that’s not important, the article very interesting and written in an engaging way.
Mary Harrington often has ideas I’m not sure I agree with but she’s always worth reading.
Jonathan Andrews
9 months ago
I enjoyed this, thank you. I’m not sure what conclusion I’ll take away but that’s not important, the article very interesting and written in an engaging way.
Mary Harrington often has ideas I’m not sure I agree with but she’s always worth reading.
Jeff Butcher
9 months ago
I don’t know what it’s like for women, but I’ve always had a very deep need to escape into the ‘wild’ when civilisation starts getting a bit too restrictive and I start feeling like a pig in a cage, and I think many men are the same.
I guess it helps that here in England the wildest animal you are likely to encounter is a badger, but all the same even now at 51 I get deep satisfaction from disappearing for a few days on the bike out of South London and into the lanes and fields and woods- a tonic for the soul.
My generation was perhaps the last generation that spent the majority of its time outdoors – whether that was a camping trip or playing Sunday football in an ice storm in February – and it tends to stick in your character I think.
Biking or hiking is also a wonderful way to see Britain, which, despite all the industrialisation and urbanisation, is still staggeringly beautiful in many places.
I’m with you on that, at age 52 and across the Atlantic: I do think that wanderlust or a nature-retreat impulse skews male by nature, with our long human pattern of women close to the hearth and men venturing out for one reason or another. Still, I think plenty of women break this general mold, and that many more would if they felt they didn’t need to travel with a strong(ish) man or in groups of women to be safe enough in the wild. And not being alone half erases the escape factor. I know a woman, now in her 70s, who lives in NYC but fearlessly retreats to remote or solitary natural places whenever she feels that aptly-termed “deep need to escape”.
I’m with you on that, at age 52 and across the Atlantic: I do think that wanderlust or a nature-retreat impulse skews male by nature, with our long human pattern of women close to the hearth and men venturing out for one reason or another. Still, I think plenty of women break this general mold, and that many more would if they felt they didn’t need to travel with a strong(ish) man or in groups of women to be safe enough in the wild. And not being alone half erases the escape factor. I know a woman, now in her 70s, who lives in NYC but fearlessly retreats to remote or solitary natural places whenever she feels that aptly-termed “deep need to escape”.
Indeed it is. It’s hard to beat the English countryside for beauty. There’s nothing like a bluebell wood.
Jeff Butcher
9 months ago
I don’t know what it’s like for women, but I’ve always had a very deep need to escape into the ‘wild’ when civilisation starts getting a bit too restrictive and I start feeling like a pig in a cage, and I think many men are the same.
I guess it helps that here in England the wildest animal you are likely to encounter is a badger, but all the same even now at 51 I get deep satisfaction from disappearing for a few days on the bike out of South London and into the lanes and fields and woods- a tonic for the soul.
My generation was perhaps the last generation that spent the majority of its time outdoors – whether that was a camping trip or playing Sunday football in an ice storm in February – and it tends to stick in your character I think.
Biking or hiking is also a wonderful way to see Britain, which, despite all the industrialisation and urbanisation, is still staggeringly beautiful in many places.
Jake Prior
9 months ago
“According to John Harris in The Guardian, YHA “insiders” report that Brexit has also hit hostelling, as many European school parties have stopped coming”. I’ll take that with a pinch of salt from the source where Brexit is probably also liable for the soggy summer. But assuming a degree of accuracy, what bitterness to stop school trips because of a vote to leave the EU. Clearly there’s no practical problems with maintaining the trips, indeed you might say it makes the UK a more interesting place to see as a place with a different culture to the largely pro-EU continent. In fact the teachers think it better not to expose their darlings to the danger of a land where people think slightly differently. Shame on them.
Indeed, most, if not all Europeans have very short memories, and have conveniently forgotten who*, at enormous cost, saved them from the depravity of the Nazi beast.
Given their** hysterical behaviour to the recent COVID scam I am not surprised by their churlish behaviour, but off course I am ‘institutionally biased’ and believe as Kipling did, that in short, they are “lesser breeds”.
(*Massively assisted and crucially paid for by the USA it must be said.)
(** With the notable exception of Sweden and even Belarus, if that counts.)
Indeed, most, if not all Europeans have very short memories, and have conveniently forgotten who*, at enormous cost, saved them from the depravity of the Nazi beast.
Given their** hysterical behaviour to the recent COVID scam I am not surprised by their churlish behaviour, but off course I am ‘institutionally biased’ and believe as Kipling did, that in short, they are “lesser breeds”.
(*Massively assisted and crucially paid for by the USA it must be said.)
(** With the notable exception of Sweden and even Belarus, if that counts.)
Jake Prior
9 months ago
“According to John Harris in The Guardian, YHA “insiders” report that Brexit has also hit hostelling, as many European school parties have stopped coming”. I’ll take that with a pinch of salt from the source where Brexit is probably also liable for the soggy summer. But assuming a degree of accuracy, what bitterness to stop school trips because of a vote to leave the EU. Clearly there’s no practical problems with maintaining the trips, indeed you might say it makes the UK a more interesting place to see as a place with a different culture to the largely pro-EU continent. In fact the teachers think it better not to expose their darlings to the danger of a land where people think slightly differently. Shame on them.
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Saul D
9 months ago
Bikes, tents and hostels and, of course, no mobile phone umbilical cord. But an interesting background history and while the Germans were creating hostels, Britain had its scouts around the same time.
By contrast, I was forced to watch one of the trashy modern coming-of-age American films and realised that they are so cacooned that there is no struggle and nothing interesting in their lives, so the story is just a bland does-he-like-me and the worst thing that happens is you do/don’t make the school team for some sport or other and some drama about what to wear at the end of school prom. But I’m torn – should we celebrate that children are cossetted and cotton-woolled, or do we need that bit of grit in the system to create the pearls?
Saul D
9 months ago
Bikes, tents and hostels and, of course, no mobile phone umbilical cord. But an interesting background history and while the Germans were creating hostels, Britain had its scouts around the same time.
By contrast, I was forced to watch one of the trashy modern coming-of-age American films and realised that they are so cacooned that there is no struggle and nothing interesting in their lives, so the story is just a bland does-he-like-me and the worst thing that happens is you do/don’t make the school team for some sport or other and some drama about what to wear at the end of school prom. But I’m torn – should we celebrate that children are cossetted and cotton-woolled, or do we need that bit of grit in the system to create the pearls?
Andrew D
9 months ago
I live near the only youth hostel in Suffolk, now closing and on the market. BC (before Covid) parties of wide-eyed Asian school children from the west midlands were a common sight, but no more. There were never parties of continental schoolkids, they only went to London and the main cathedral cities. The Guardian likes to blame any unfortunate event on Brexit, but I don’t think it’s relevant here. It’s more to do with a plethora of comfortable and affordable alternatives (without shared bathrooms) plus the fact that, as Mary alludes, the traditional youth hostel market now prefers to stay indoors staring at the phone. Perhaps a Jordan Peterson disciple should set up a new version of the mannerbunde?
I am several decades too old to do that, as well as too unskilled in the ways of the outdoors, but it sounds like a great idea. Maybe my son should take it up!
I am several decades too old to do that, as well as too unskilled in the ways of the outdoors, but it sounds like a great idea. Maybe my son should take it up!
Andrew D
9 months ago
I live near the only youth hostel in Suffolk, now closing and on the market. BC (before Covid) parties of wide-eyed Asian school children from the west midlands were a common sight, but no more. There were never parties of continental schoolkids, they only went to London and the main cathedral cities. The Guardian likes to blame any unfortunate event on Brexit, but I don’t think it’s relevant here. It’s more to do with a plethora of comfortable and affordable alternatives (without shared bathrooms) plus the fact that, as Mary alludes, the traditional youth hostel market now prefers to stay indoors staring at the phone. Perhaps a Jordan Peterson disciple should set up a new version of the mannerbunde?
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Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
An interesting if rather sad essay, as it seems to suggest that our obese youth(or yooof) have become moribund.
Of course MH you had it rather “easy”. In the 1950’s and probably the 60’s you were NOT supposed to cycle between Hostels but rather walk or even hitch-hike.
I recall being almost denied entry by a particularly officious ‘Sturmbannführer’ when he spotted my ill- concealed bike.
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Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
An interesting if rather sad essay, as it seems to suggest that our obese youth(or yooof) have become moribund.
Of course MH you had it rather “easy”. In the 1950’s and probably the 60’s you were NOT supposed to cycle between Hostels but rather walk or even hitch-hike.
I recall being almost denied entry by a particularly officious ‘Sturmbannführer’ when he spotted my ill- concealed bike.
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David Morley
9 months ago
French “refuges” still seem to be thriving and have a similar atmosphere. Great conversation and a good social mix.
And the people are way more interesting than those you will find sitting round the infinity pool drinking g&ts at a so called luxury hotel (but really aimed at secretaries and middle managers who want to feel they are special and like being waited on).
And the alburgues on the Spanish caminos can be great.
David Morley
9 months ago
French “refuges” still seem to be thriving and have a similar atmosphere. Great conversation and a good social mix.
And the people are way more interesting than those you will find sitting round the infinity pool drinking g&ts at a so called luxury hotel (but really aimed at secretaries and middle managers who want to feel they are special and like being waited on).
NIck Brown
9 months ago
“We weren’t dating and he never hit on me.” Why use Americanisms in such a quintessentially English story?
NIck Brown
9 months ago
“We weren’t dating and he never hit on me.” Why use Americanisms in such a quintessentially English story?
Jeff Dudgeon
9 months ago
Top of the range article. I recall youth hostelling and hitchhiking in Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and on the continent all through the 1960s. I even hitched a lift on a plane from Bristol to Newcastle, my first flight aged 16. The German hostels were a shock because of their modernity and comfort. The organised cleaning in the morning was another shock. Amazing that parents might only expect a weekly postcard from a teenager abroad.
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Jeff Dudgeon
9 months ago
Top of the range article. I recall youth hostelling and hitchhiking in Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and on the continent all through the 1960s. I even hitched a lift on a plane from Bristol to Newcastle, my first flight aged 16. The German hostels were a shock because of their modernity and comfort. The organised cleaning in the morning was another shock. Amazing that parents might only expect a weekly postcard from a teenager abroad.
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Bryan Wilson
9 months ago
A great nostalgia piece for me, an American, recalling my months-long hosteling trip through Ireland, Scotland and most of Europe in the early 90s. All the random and interesting conversations I had with other kids doing the same, hitching up with someone to travel with for a few days or weeks (of either sex), having a fantastic time, and amiably parting when the time came. Never got back in touch, but I remember them all very fondly. Sad to think that kind of experience is probably never going to be available for young people again.
A great nostalgia piece for me, an American, recalling my months-long hosteling trip through Ireland, Scotland and most of Europe in the early 90s. All the random and interesting conversations I had with other kids doing the same, hitching up with someone to travel with for a few days or weeks (of either sex), having a fantastic time, and amiably parting when the time came. Never got back in touch, but I remember them all very fondly. Sad to think that kind of experience is probably never going to be available for young people again.
Mark Melvin
9 months ago
Most enjoyable piece and one of the reasons I subscribe. Good writing on a topic I’d not heard of, well thought that much about. Thanks Mary. There was an association (if that is the right word) called Club 18-30 from memory which was aimed at young people but it was based at various single sites. The one and only I attended was in the Brecon Beacons and had Germans (lots of Germans actually) and a sprinkling of other nationalities. It was good fun though. Cheers all.
Are you sure about Club 18-30 in Brecon Beacons? Club 18-30 sold itself on sea, sun and sex, obviously not suited as a description for the venue for extreme military training in the Welsh mountains.
Are you sure about Club 18-30 in Brecon Beacons? Club 18-30 sold itself on sea, sun and sex, obviously not suited as a description for the venue for extreme military training in the Welsh mountains.
Mark Melvin
9 months ago
Most enjoyable piece and one of the reasons I subscribe. Good writing on a topic I’d not heard of, well thought that much about. Thanks Mary. There was an association (if that is the right word) called Club 18-30 from memory which was aimed at young people but it was based at various single sites. The one and only I attended was in the Brecon Beacons and had Germans (lots of Germans actually) and a sprinkling of other nationalities. It was good fun though. Cheers all.
ralph bell
9 months ago
I’ve stayed in many UK hostels as a teen and adult and also stayed in many hostels abroad, the latter of which are thriving in my experience.
I used to think it was because people didn’t like the basic nature or the chore requirement and especially being communal. But, form observation abroad, I think there are still plenty of people of all ages who love communal living, basic but well managed hostels and more than willing to sleep in multiple occupied dorms.
There are many people camping and campervanning/caravanning in the UK so I think its the failure of the YHA properties to see the European model and lean from it including the booking and APP systems.
Some of the hostels are amazing, e.g St Brivals Castle, Derwentwater adn Widdlerhope Manor.
I stayed three years ago with a group of friends all in our 60s in a hostel in the Yorkshire Dales. We found, as some others have alluded to, that we were if anything younger than the average visitor.
One of the conclusions we came to for this was the hostel was actually very expensive for the standard of accomodation offered.Possibly pricing out younger people and certainly putting us off ever going back
I stayed three years ago with a group of friends all in our 60s in a hostel in the Yorkshire Dales. We found, as some others have alluded to, that we were if anything younger than the average visitor.
One of the conclusions we came to for this was the hostel was actually very expensive for the standard of accomodation offered.Possibly pricing out younger people and certainly putting us off ever going back
ralph bell
9 months ago
I’ve stayed in many UK hostels as a teen and adult and also stayed in many hostels abroad, the latter of which are thriving in my experience.
I used to think it was because people didn’t like the basic nature or the chore requirement and especially being communal. But, form observation abroad, I think there are still plenty of people of all ages who love communal living, basic but well managed hostels and more than willing to sleep in multiple occupied dorms.
There are many people camping and campervanning/caravanning in the UK so I think its the failure of the YHA properties to see the European model and lean from it including the booking and APP systems.
Some of the hostels are amazing, e.g St Brivals Castle, Derwentwater adn Widdlerhope Manor.
James Jenkin
9 months ago
I think Harrington’s point might be that in a hundred years our current dogmatism regarding sex and gender will look just as silly
James Jenkin
9 months ago
I think Harrington’s point might be that in a hundred years our current dogmatism regarding sex and gender will look just as silly
Pete Marsh
9 months ago
As well as taking a hit from the covid lockdowns, a lot of Youth Hostels were sold off following the total shutdown of the countryside due to foot and mouth in 2001. Thankfully we all have Prof Ferguson and his modellers to thank for saving us on both occasions.
Pete Marsh
9 months ago
As well as taking a hit from the covid lockdowns, a lot of Youth Hostels were sold off following the total shutdown of the countryside due to foot and mouth in 2001. Thankfully we all have Prof Ferguson and his modellers to thank for saving us on both occasions.
David Forrester
9 months ago
I came across Kibbo Kift sometime ago, I have no knowledge of it at all was it an attempt to set up something like these German groups in the UK ?
The Woodcraft Folk, who are still around today being a kind of anti-authoritarian and anti-militarist version of the scouts, were originally formed by dissident Kibbo Kift members, so the movement still exists, albeit in altered form.
I once heard someone whose parents met through the Kibbo Kift reminisce about going on reunion camps for the Kindred in the 1970s. It sounded very strange but also at times rather inspiring to experience all that high idealism and the Tolkeinesque costumes and mythology.
The Woodcraft Folk, who are still around today being a kind of anti-authoritarian and anti-militarist version of the scouts, were originally formed by dissident Kibbo Kift members, so the movement still exists, albeit in altered form.
I once heard someone whose parents met through the Kibbo Kift reminisce about going on reunion camps for the Kindred in the 1970s. It sounded very strange but also at times rather inspiring to experience all that high idealism and the Tolkeinesque costumes and mythology.
An anti-militaristic alternative to the scouts, I think
David Forrester
9 months ago
I came across Kibbo Kift sometime ago, I have no knowledge of it at all was it an attempt to set up something like these German groups in the UK ?
Andrew Stoll
9 months ago
What will happen to the sold off youth hostels?
Are they perhaps destined to house illegal migrants or refugees?
Andrew Stoll
9 months ago
What will happen to the sold off youth hostels?
Are they perhaps destined to house illegal migrants or refugees?
O F
9 months ago
This is the most enjoyable article I have read all week. An added bonus is that the mere mention of The Guardian has triggered the rabid Brexit readership. Top work!
O F
9 months ago
This is the most enjoyable article I have read all week. An added bonus is that the mere mention of The Guardian has triggered the rabid Brexit readership. Top work!
Andrew Fisher
9 months ago
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Leslie Sudock
7 months ago
I spent a wonderful academic year “abroad” in 1976-77, studying philosophy and logic at the University of Edinburgh, singing early music, attempting to learn to play the cello, and hosteling. My favorite hostel memory is a few days in the very north of Scotland, in what seemed to a young American student very much a castle but was most likely a stately home. My assigned chore was to dust the statues in the gallery. To reach the local pub I took a short-cut along a train trestle (risky business), and I saw the Northern Lights. It was a magical week’s holiday between terms. I loved traveling on my own.
My husband (of more than forty years) was a Boy Scout and Eagle Scout. He treasures his memories of scout masters from town who mentored him (he was fatherless), long hikes along the Appalachian Trail, and leading younger boys through weekend camping adventures. To my knowledge he never hosteled as I did in Europe, and I’m not sure he would describe his experience in the scouts as “romantic”, but they were deeply formative.
My family and I stay in YHA’s a few times a year. Except for the foreign school groups, the other guests are much like us: middle class, middle aged or older, decked out by Decathlon, many other weekend and midweek get aways booked, and checked in to a 3-6 person YHA room with close friends or family or just themselves. The YHA is now just one of many choices we have for our weekends.
The willingness to share a communal bedroom has disappeared with rising average material prosperity. That leaves the YHA with lots of properties that don’t meet modern preferences. At the price point of the market the YHA operates in, it isn’t economic to convert these properties to single occupancy rooms.
Meanwhile, as the article mentions, accomodation for travelling was once hard to find, whereas now Premier Inns and Airbnbs are everywhere. This has taken away a large amount of the YHA’s former market, depressing occupancy rates midweek.
Let’s also not overlook the terrible senior management of the YHA. Well meaning Guardian readers do not maketh mangers of properly advertised competitive hospitality. Life members want the place run for their benefit. It has revenue hot spots in cities that it refuses to capitalise because it doesn’t want to become a hotelier. It has those 3-6 person rooms out in the sticks sitting empty mid week as it refuses to actively advertise the single occupancy deal because it is still wedded to the dorm ethos and doesn’t understand marginal revenue.
I’m saddened to read the Guardian’s fevered Brexit derangement still has found no cure. They are partly right: there are fewer foreign school trips. There are also fewer UK school trips within the UK. It clearly isn’t Brexit. If they bothered to investigate, they’d find yet another story demonstrating the awful folly of the lockdowns and school closures they loudly championed. The consequent economic and social catastrophe that many seem reluctant to acknowledge has meant the school trip has never recovered. Teachers have been relieved of the former expectation of organising them, kids have stopped leaving the house, and parents are unwilling or unable to pay.
Often it is that teachers are prepared to give up their spare time to organise and escort trips. It is schools that are unable or unwilling to pay for the cover of these teachers, as the trips are in school term time and lessons back at school are continuing.
Yes, I agree. Both my elder sons, now in their 20’s, had many school trip opportunities. My 16 year old, as he is acutely aware, has had none.
Another example, albeit relatively trivial, of the catastrophic consequences of lockdowns. The Guardianistas are, of course, wilfully blind to this, seeing all negative consequences through the prism of Brexit.
You still see plenty of foreign school groups in UK cities, so I suspect that The Guardian are talking out of their arse as usual.
Youth hostels long ceased to be be for young people. I’m late 50s and single and I’ve been a regular hosteller for the past 15 years or so. Generally most of the other visitors are older!
But the YHA has lost the plot. Nearly all hostels are now group booking only. So they have given up on the solo traveller. This might have been understandable post-pandemic in 2020-21, but is unacceptable now. I can only find one hostel taking solo bookings in the north of England!
I suspect this is more about staffing than foreign school parties. There may be some EU nationals no longer working in hostels, but from experience it’s always been young British people looking for an unpaid working holiday. Maybe they aren’t prepared to do this anymore?
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No idea what you said but I will defend to the death your right to delete it
No idea what you said but I will defend to the death your right to delete it
Often it is that teachers are prepared to give up their spare time to organise and escort trips. It is schools that are unable or unwilling to pay for the cover of these teachers, as the trips are in school term time and lessons back at school are continuing.
Yes, I agree. Both my elder sons, now in their 20’s, had many school trip opportunities. My 16 year old, as he is acutely aware, has had none.
Another example, albeit relatively trivial, of the catastrophic consequences of lockdowns. The Guardianistas are, of course, wilfully blind to this, seeing all negative consequences through the prism of Brexit.
You still see plenty of foreign school groups in UK cities, so I suspect that The Guardian are talking out of their arse as usual.
Youth hostels long ceased to be be for young people. I’m late 50s and single and I’ve been a regular hosteller for the past 15 years or so. Generally most of the other visitors are older!
But the YHA has lost the plot. Nearly all hostels are now group booking only. So they have given up on the solo traveller. This might have been understandable post-pandemic in 2020-21, but is unacceptable now. I can only find one hostel taking solo bookings in the north of England!
I suspect this is more about staffing than foreign school parties. There may be some EU nationals no longer working in hostels, but from experience it’s always been young British people looking for an unpaid working holiday. Maybe they aren’t prepared to do this anymore?
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My family and I stay in YHA’s a few times a year. Except for the foreign school groups, the other guests are much like us: middle class, middle aged or older, decked out by Decathlon, many other weekend and midweek get aways booked, and checked in to a 3-6 person YHA room with close friends or family or just themselves. The YHA is now just one of many choices we have for our weekends.
The willingness to share a communal bedroom has disappeared with rising average material prosperity. That leaves the YHA with lots of properties that don’t meet modern preferences. At the price point of the market the YHA operates in, it isn’t economic to convert these properties to single occupancy rooms.
Meanwhile, as the article mentions, accomodation for travelling was once hard to find, whereas now Premier Inns and Airbnbs are everywhere. This has taken away a large amount of the YHA’s former market, depressing occupancy rates midweek.
Let’s also not overlook the terrible senior management of the YHA. Well meaning Guardian readers do not maketh mangers of properly advertised competitive hospitality. Life members want the place run for their benefit. It has revenue hot spots in cities that it refuses to capitalise because it doesn’t want to become a hotelier. It has those 3-6 person rooms out in the sticks sitting empty mid week as it refuses to actively advertise the single occupancy deal because it is still wedded to the dorm ethos and doesn’t understand marginal revenue.
I’m saddened to read the Guardian’s fevered Brexit derangement still has found no cure. They are partly right: there are fewer foreign school trips. There are also fewer UK school trips within the UK. It clearly isn’t Brexit. If they bothered to investigate, they’d find yet another story demonstrating the awful folly of the lockdowns and school closures they loudly championed. The consequent economic and social catastrophe that many seem reluctant to acknowledge has meant the school trip has never recovered. Teachers have been relieved of the former expectation of organising them, kids have stopped leaving the house, and parents are unwilling or unable to pay.
A left-field but interesting piece by MH. I wonder if “Bill” might read it and add his take on their bike-ride to Comments (no fakes, please!)
I only went youth hostelling once, to the Lake District for a few days with a mixed-sex end of school year party accompanied by a few teachers. After a mainly soggy day’s tramping over fells and through bogs, the teachers headed for the local village pub leaving us to our own devices. Since us midteen lads had spent most of the time surveying the girls (and vice versa) rather than the misty scenery, we utilised the evenings to good (although fairly innocent) effect. On the last night, i managed to procure a couple of bottles of cider from an offie, which made our snogging sessions a bit more robust, only interrupted by the half-drunk teachers returning before things progressed too far.
Happy days!
I went youth hostelling twice in my mid teens with two friends. Our mothers made us promise we wouldn’t hitchhike but of course …. we sometimes hitchhiked. Whenever I remember that period of my life in 1969-71, I wonder whether parents today would allow their teenage daughters to wander the countryside by themselves (no mobile phones, no laptops, just postcards and occasional calls to mums from telephone boxes). The whole process – no adult involved – was an exercise in growing up. The route planning using hard copy ordnance survey maps (manual, no google remember), the booking of hostels, the independence from parents for a week. All this by girls now categorised as ‘children’.
I first went in 1972. Aged 13, initially with a friend but he got homesick so I carried on on my own. 17 days all told.
At the time I think 13 was the youngest you could stay at a youth hostel without an adult.
There were moments of intense loneliness, the result of which is I have never really feared loneliness since.
That was a quick fix!
The whole thing was completely formative. I can identify geographical locations in the Lake District where I had particular emotional experiences which were entirely new to me or new in their intensity. The loneliness I felt was certainly intense, but I’m hard pressed to think of times I have felt lonely since.
Obviously my age had a lot to do with it. It’s interesting that this is around the age that rites of passage take place in many traditional societies. Perhaps I unwittingly arranged my own rite of passage.
There was also a tremendous sense of independence, and a realisation of how easy it is to be happy – how little it actually takes – which has informed the rest of my life.
I would say the only comparable experience was that of having children.
Well put. I get you.
Well put. I get you.
The whole thing was completely formative. I can identify geographical locations in the Lake District where I had particular emotional experiences which were entirely new to me or new in their intensity. The loneliness I felt was certainly intense, but I’m hard pressed to think of times I have felt lonely since.
Obviously my age had a lot to do with it. It’s interesting that this is around the age that rites of passage take place in many traditional societies. Perhaps I unwittingly arranged my own rite of passage.
There was also a tremendous sense of independence, and a realisation of how easy it is to be happy – how little it actually takes – which has informed the rest of my life.
I would say the only comparable experience was that of having children.
That sound like a quick fix
That was a quick fix!
That sound like a quick fix
My 17 year old daughter and her friends went backpacking by themselves in the Canadian wilderness out of cell range. They planned and organized the entire thing. So we aren’t all helicopter parents. But I will admit that I am not sure I would be open to a hitch hiking trip for her.
I first went in 1972. Aged 13, initially with a friend but he got homesick so I carried on on my own. 17 days all told.
At the time I think 13 was the youngest you could stay at a youth hostel without an adult.
There were moments of intense loneliness, the result of which is I have never really feared loneliness since.
My 17 year old daughter and her friends went backpacking by themselves in the Canadian wilderness out of cell range. They planned and organized the entire thing. So we aren’t all helicopter parents. But I will admit that I am not sure I would be open to a hitch hiking trip for her.
Sweet.
Cute!!
I went youth hostelling twice in my mid teens with two friends. Our mothers made us promise we wouldn’t hitchhike but of course …. we sometimes hitchhiked. Whenever I remember that period of my life in 1969-71, I wonder whether parents today would allow their teenage daughters to wander the countryside by themselves (no mobile phones, no laptops, just postcards and occasional calls to mums from telephone boxes). The whole process – no adult involved – was an exercise in growing up. The route planning using hard copy ordnance survey maps (manual, no google remember), the booking of hostels, the independence from parents for a week. All this by girls now categorised as ‘children’.
Sweet.
Cute!!
A left-field but interesting piece by MH. I wonder if “Bill” might read it and add his take on their bike-ride to Comments (no fakes, please!)
I only went youth hostelling once, to the Lake District for a few days with a mixed-sex end of school year party accompanied by a few teachers. After a mainly soggy day’s tramping over fells and through bogs, the teachers headed for the local village pub leaving us to our own devices. Since us midteen lads had spent most of the time surveying the girls (and vice versa) rather than the misty scenery, we utilised the evenings to good (although fairly innocent) effect. On the last night, i managed to procure a couple of bottles of cider from an offie, which made our snogging sessions a bit more robust, only interrupted by the half-drunk teachers returning before things progressed too far.
Happy days!
I stopped going to YHAs when I was no longer young enough to put up with nights of interrupted sleep. But before that I had noticed that the me culture had all but destroyed any pretence of communality. They used to say that you’d meet lots of interesting people in YHAs but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody. What solipsistic desperate lives we lead.
Of course you put your finger right on one reason for our low birthrate crisis and our “bowling alone” lives and our couch-potatoing; the simple pleasure of talking to strangers is very unappealing to many people now, especially younger ones.
” …but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody.”
I am very happy to report that this has not been our experience of hostelling in the UK over the last 18 months.
In brief – 5 hostels both YHA and Independent options (https://independenthostels.co.uk/ there are 323 of these currently) all over the UK. A great deal cheaper than Air BnB’s in their companion areas. Much more interesting company than you would find in a Premier Inn or a Travel Lodge. Comfy rooms en suite if you so desire. Decent food + alcohol. Lots of families during school holidays. The conversations occur in the communal kitchens, in the main. Glamping available if you don’t want to be in a dorm or your own room.
And most importantly, if you want to book an ensuite room in the high season anywhere you need to do it at leat 3 months in advance. That’s not to say that the YHA as an organisation don’t have serious management / strategic vision problems but I wouldn’t kiss offf the hostelling scene in the UK just yet.
Great value for money especially in these straightened times.
Of course you put your finger right on one reason for our low birthrate crisis and our “bowling alone” lives and our couch-potatoing; the simple pleasure of talking to strangers is very unappealing to many people now, especially younger ones.
” …but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody.”
I am very happy to report that this has not been our experience of hostelling in the UK over the last 18 months.
In brief – 5 hostels both YHA and Independent options (https://independenthostels.co.uk/ there are 323 of these currently) all over the UK. A great deal cheaper than Air BnB’s in their companion areas. Much more interesting company than you would find in a Premier Inn or a Travel Lodge. Comfy rooms en suite if you so desire. Decent food + alcohol. Lots of families during school holidays. The conversations occur in the communal kitchens, in the main. Glamping available if you don’t want to be in a dorm or your own room.
And most importantly, if you want to book an ensuite room in the high season anywhere you need to do it at leat 3 months in advance. That’s not to say that the YHA as an organisation don’t have serious management / strategic vision problems but I wouldn’t kiss offf the hostelling scene in the UK just yet.
Great value for money especially in these straightened times.
I stopped going to YHAs when I was no longer young enough to put up with nights of interrupted sleep. But before that I had noticed that the me culture had all but destroyed any pretence of communality. They used to say that you’d meet lots of interesting people in YHAs but since nobody talks to strangers anymore and spend all their time on their phones you could spend a week hostelling nowadays and never get a word of conversation from anybody. What solipsistic desperate lives we lead.
Of course. Along with bee-keeping, truthfulness, sunny weather, species diversity, the NHS, civility, craft beers, good parenting, decent shoelaces, motherhood, and apple pie.
The Guardian is certainly tedious in that way, and others. Lets not use that to try hide that Brexit is turning out to be a great act of delf-harm, as overwhelmingly predicted by those terrible people, experts, elites Brexit has failed, even Farage says so, and many are justifiably furious.
I thought the argument was that insofar as Brexit has failed (not sure it has), the failure is in large part the result of the foot-dragging and undermining done by those very same elites who never wanted it to begin with. It’s all so very ‘Yes Minister’ – electorate be damned.
I thought the argument was that insofar as Brexit has failed (not sure it has), the failure is in large part the result of the foot-dragging and undermining done by those very same elites who never wanted it to begin with. It’s all so very ‘Yes Minister’ – electorate be damned.
The Guardian is certainly tedious in that way, and others. Lets not use that to try hide that Brexit is turning out to be a great act of delf-harm, as overwhelmingly predicted by those terrible people, experts, elites Brexit has failed, even Farage says so, and many are justifiably furious.
Of course. Along with bee-keeping, truthfulness, sunny weather, species diversity, the NHS, civility, craft beers, good parenting, decent shoelaces, motherhood, and apple pie.
I enjoyed this, thank you. I’m not sure what conclusion I’ll take away but that’s not important, the article very interesting and written in an engaging way.
Mary Harrington often has ideas I’m not sure I agree with but she’s always worth reading.
I enjoyed this, thank you. I’m not sure what conclusion I’ll take away but that’s not important, the article very interesting and written in an engaging way.
Mary Harrington often has ideas I’m not sure I agree with but she’s always worth reading.
I don’t know what it’s like for women, but I’ve always had a very deep need to escape into the ‘wild’ when civilisation starts getting a bit too restrictive and I start feeling like a pig in a cage, and I think many men are the same.
I guess it helps that here in England the wildest animal you are likely to encounter is a badger, but all the same even now at 51 I get deep satisfaction from disappearing for a few days on the bike out of South London and into the lanes and fields and woods- a tonic for the soul.
My generation was perhaps the last generation that spent the majority of its time outdoors – whether that was a camping trip or playing Sunday football in an ice storm in February – and it tends to stick in your character I think.
Biking or hiking is also a wonderful way to see Britain, which, despite all the industrialisation and urbanisation, is still staggeringly beautiful in many places.
I’m with you on that, at age 52 and across the Atlantic: I do think that wanderlust or a nature-retreat impulse skews male by nature, with our long human pattern of women close to the hearth and men venturing out for one reason or another. Still, I think plenty of women break this general mold, and that many more would if they felt they didn’t need to travel with a strong(ish) man or in groups of women to be safe enough in the wild. And not being alone half erases the escape factor. I know a woman, now in her 70s, who lives in NYC but fearlessly retreats to remote or solitary natural places whenever she feels that aptly-termed “deep need to escape”.
Indeed it is. It’s hard to beat the English countryside for beauty. There’s nothing like a bluebell wood.
As even Bill Bryson discovered.
As even Bill Bryson discovered.
I’m with you on that, at age 52 and across the Atlantic: I do think that wanderlust or a nature-retreat impulse skews male by nature, with our long human pattern of women close to the hearth and men venturing out for one reason or another. Still, I think plenty of women break this general mold, and that many more would if they felt they didn’t need to travel with a strong(ish) man or in groups of women to be safe enough in the wild. And not being alone half erases the escape factor. I know a woman, now in her 70s, who lives in NYC but fearlessly retreats to remote or solitary natural places whenever she feels that aptly-termed “deep need to escape”.
Indeed it is. It’s hard to beat the English countryside for beauty. There’s nothing like a bluebell wood.
I don’t know what it’s like for women, but I’ve always had a very deep need to escape into the ‘wild’ when civilisation starts getting a bit too restrictive and I start feeling like a pig in a cage, and I think many men are the same.
I guess it helps that here in England the wildest animal you are likely to encounter is a badger, but all the same even now at 51 I get deep satisfaction from disappearing for a few days on the bike out of South London and into the lanes and fields and woods- a tonic for the soul.
My generation was perhaps the last generation that spent the majority of its time outdoors – whether that was a camping trip or playing Sunday football in an ice storm in February – and it tends to stick in your character I think.
Biking or hiking is also a wonderful way to see Britain, which, despite all the industrialisation and urbanisation, is still staggeringly beautiful in many places.
“According to John Harris in The Guardian, YHA “insiders” report that Brexit has also hit hostelling, as many European school parties have stopped coming”. I’ll take that with a pinch of salt from the source where Brexit is probably also liable for the soggy summer. But assuming a degree of accuracy, what bitterness to stop school trips because of a vote to leave the EU. Clearly there’s no practical problems with maintaining the trips, indeed you might say it makes the UK a more interesting place to see as a place with a different culture to the largely pro-EU continent. In fact the teachers think it better not to expose their darlings to the danger of a land where people think slightly differently. Shame on them.
Indeed, most, if not all Europeans have very short memories, and have conveniently forgotten who*, at enormous cost, saved them from the depravity of the Nazi beast.
Given their** hysterical behaviour to the recent COVID scam I am not surprised by their churlish behaviour, but off course I am ‘institutionally biased’ and believe as Kipling did, that in short, they are “lesser breeds”.
(*Massively assisted and crucially paid for by the USA it must be said.)
(** With the notable exception of Sweden and even Belarus, if that counts.)
Indeed, most, if not all Europeans have very short memories, and have conveniently forgotten who*, at enormous cost, saved them from the depravity of the Nazi beast.
Given their** hysterical behaviour to the recent COVID scam I am not surprised by their churlish behaviour, but off course I am ‘institutionally biased’ and believe as Kipling did, that in short, they are “lesser breeds”.
(*Massively assisted and crucially paid for by the USA it must be said.)
(** With the notable exception of Sweden and even Belarus, if that counts.)
“According to John Harris in The Guardian, YHA “insiders” report that Brexit has also hit hostelling, as many European school parties have stopped coming”. I’ll take that with a pinch of salt from the source where Brexit is probably also liable for the soggy summer. But assuming a degree of accuracy, what bitterness to stop school trips because of a vote to leave the EU. Clearly there’s no practical problems with maintaining the trips, indeed you might say it makes the UK a more interesting place to see as a place with a different culture to the largely pro-EU continent. In fact the teachers think it better not to expose their darlings to the danger of a land where people think slightly differently. Shame on them.
Bikes, tents and hostels and, of course, no mobile phone umbilical cord. But an interesting background history and while the Germans were creating hostels, Britain had its scouts around the same time.
By contrast, I was forced to watch one of the trashy modern coming-of-age American films and realised that they are so cacooned that there is no struggle and nothing interesting in their lives, so the story is just a bland does-he-like-me and the worst thing that happens is you do/don’t make the school team for some sport or other and some drama about what to wear at the end of school prom. But I’m torn – should we celebrate that children are cossetted and cotton-woolled, or do we need that bit of grit in the system to create the pearls?
Bikes, tents and hostels and, of course, no mobile phone umbilical cord. But an interesting background history and while the Germans were creating hostels, Britain had its scouts around the same time.
By contrast, I was forced to watch one of the trashy modern coming-of-age American films and realised that they are so cacooned that there is no struggle and nothing interesting in their lives, so the story is just a bland does-he-like-me and the worst thing that happens is you do/don’t make the school team for some sport or other and some drama about what to wear at the end of school prom. But I’m torn – should we celebrate that children are cossetted and cotton-woolled, or do we need that bit of grit in the system to create the pearls?
I live near the only youth hostel in Suffolk, now closing and on the market. BC (before Covid) parties of wide-eyed Asian school children from the west midlands were a common sight, but no more. There were never parties of continental schoolkids, they only went to London and the main cathedral cities. The Guardian likes to blame any unfortunate event on Brexit, but I don’t think it’s relevant here. It’s more to do with a plethora of comfortable and affordable alternatives (without shared bathrooms) plus the fact that, as Mary alludes, the traditional youth hostel market now prefers to stay indoors staring at the phone. Perhaps a Jordan Peterson disciple should set up a new version of the mannerbunde?
I am several decades too old to do that, as well as too unskilled in the ways of the outdoors, but it sounds like a great idea. Maybe my son should take it up!
I am several decades too old to do that, as well as too unskilled in the ways of the outdoors, but it sounds like a great idea. Maybe my son should take it up!
I live near the only youth hostel in Suffolk, now closing and on the market. BC (before Covid) parties of wide-eyed Asian school children from the west midlands were a common sight, but no more. There were never parties of continental schoolkids, they only went to London and the main cathedral cities. The Guardian likes to blame any unfortunate event on Brexit, but I don’t think it’s relevant here. It’s more to do with a plethora of comfortable and affordable alternatives (without shared bathrooms) plus the fact that, as Mary alludes, the traditional youth hostel market now prefers to stay indoors staring at the phone. Perhaps a Jordan Peterson disciple should set up a new version of the mannerbunde?
An interesting if rather sad essay, as it seems to suggest that our obese youth(or yooof) have become moribund.
Of course MH you had it rather “easy”. In the 1950’s and probably the 60’s you were NOT supposed to cycle between Hostels but rather walk or even hitch-hike.
I recall being almost denied entry by a particularly officious ‘Sturmbannführer’ when he spotted my ill- concealed bike.
An interesting if rather sad essay, as it seems to suggest that our obese youth(or yooof) have become moribund.
Of course MH you had it rather “easy”. In the 1950’s and probably the 60’s you were NOT supposed to cycle between Hostels but rather walk or even hitch-hike.
I recall being almost denied entry by a particularly officious ‘Sturmbannführer’ when he spotted my ill- concealed bike.
French “refuges” still seem to be thriving and have a similar atmosphere. Great conversation and a good social mix.
And the people are way more interesting than those you will find sitting round the infinity pool drinking g&ts at a so called luxury hotel (but really aimed at secretaries and middle managers who want to feel they are special and like being waited on).
Ha! Great observation.
And the alburgues on the Spanish caminos can be great.
Ha! Great observation.
And the alburgues on the Spanish caminos can be great.
French “refuges” still seem to be thriving and have a similar atmosphere. Great conversation and a good social mix.
And the people are way more interesting than those you will find sitting round the infinity pool drinking g&ts at a so called luxury hotel (but really aimed at secretaries and middle managers who want to feel they are special and like being waited on).
“We weren’t dating and he never hit on me.” Why use Americanisms in such a quintessentially English story?
“We weren’t dating and he never hit on me.” Why use Americanisms in such a quintessentially English story?
Top of the range article. I recall youth hostelling and hitchhiking in Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and on the continent all through the 1960s. I even hitched a lift on a plane from Bristol to Newcastle, my first flight aged 16. The German hostels were a shock because of their modernity and comfort. The organised cleaning in the morning was another shock. Amazing that parents might only expect a weekly postcard from a teenager abroad.
Top of the range article. I recall youth hostelling and hitchhiking in Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and on the continent all through the 1960s. I even hitched a lift on a plane from Bristol to Newcastle, my first flight aged 16. The German hostels were a shock because of their modernity and comfort. The organised cleaning in the morning was another shock. Amazing that parents might only expect a weekly postcard from a teenager abroad.
A great nostalgia piece for me, an American, recalling my months-long hosteling trip through Ireland, Scotland and most of Europe in the early 90s. All the random and interesting conversations I had with other kids doing the same, hitching up with someone to travel with for a few days or weeks (of either sex), having a fantastic time, and amiably parting when the time came. Never got back in touch, but I remember them all very fondly. Sad to think that kind of experience is probably never going to be available for young people again.
Partly because it may not be safe these days.
Is it really less safe now than it was in the past? Or is it just our perception that it is less safe?
Is it really less safe now than it was in the past? Or is it just our perception that it is less safe?
Partly because it may not be safe these days.
A great nostalgia piece for me, an American, recalling my months-long hosteling trip through Ireland, Scotland and most of Europe in the early 90s. All the random and interesting conversations I had with other kids doing the same, hitching up with someone to travel with for a few days or weeks (of either sex), having a fantastic time, and amiably parting when the time came. Never got back in touch, but I remember them all very fondly. Sad to think that kind of experience is probably never going to be available for young people again.
Most enjoyable piece and one of the reasons I subscribe. Good writing on a topic I’d not heard of, well thought that much about. Thanks Mary. There was an association (if that is the right word) called Club 18-30 from memory which was aimed at young people but it was based at various single sites. The one and only I attended was in the Brecon Beacons and had Germans (lots of Germans actually) and a sprinkling of other nationalities. It was good fun though. Cheers all.
Are you sure about Club 18-30 in Brecon Beacons? Club 18-30 sold itself on sea, sun and sex, obviously not suited as a description for the venue for extreme military training in the Welsh mountains.
Are you sure about Club 18-30 in Brecon Beacons? Club 18-30 sold itself on sea, sun and sex, obviously not suited as a description for the venue for extreme military training in the Welsh mountains.
Most enjoyable piece and one of the reasons I subscribe. Good writing on a topic I’d not heard of, well thought that much about. Thanks Mary. There was an association (if that is the right word) called Club 18-30 from memory which was aimed at young people but it was based at various single sites. The one and only I attended was in the Brecon Beacons and had Germans (lots of Germans actually) and a sprinkling of other nationalities. It was good fun though. Cheers all.
I’ve stayed in many UK hostels as a teen and adult and also stayed in many hostels abroad, the latter of which are thriving in my experience.
I used to think it was because people didn’t like the basic nature or the chore requirement and especially being communal. But, form observation abroad, I think there are still plenty of people of all ages who love communal living, basic but well managed hostels and more than willing to sleep in multiple occupied dorms.
There are many people camping and campervanning/caravanning in the UK so I think its the failure of the YHA properties to see the European model and lean from it including the booking and APP systems.
Some of the hostels are amazing, e.g St Brivals Castle, Derwentwater adn Widdlerhope Manor.
I stayed three years ago with a group of friends all in our 60s in a hostel in the Yorkshire Dales. We found, as some others have alluded to, that we were if anything younger than the average visitor.
One of the conclusions we came to for this was the hostel was actually very expensive for the standard of accomodation offered.Possibly pricing out younger people and certainly putting us off ever going back
I stayed three years ago with a group of friends all in our 60s in a hostel in the Yorkshire Dales. We found, as some others have alluded to, that we were if anything younger than the average visitor.
One of the conclusions we came to for this was the hostel was actually very expensive for the standard of accomodation offered.Possibly pricing out younger people and certainly putting us off ever going back
I’ve stayed in many UK hostels as a teen and adult and also stayed in many hostels abroad, the latter of which are thriving in my experience.
I used to think it was because people didn’t like the basic nature or the chore requirement and especially being communal. But, form observation abroad, I think there are still plenty of people of all ages who love communal living, basic but well managed hostels and more than willing to sleep in multiple occupied dorms.
There are many people camping and campervanning/caravanning in the UK so I think its the failure of the YHA properties to see the European model and lean from it including the booking and APP systems.
Some of the hostels are amazing, e.g St Brivals Castle, Derwentwater adn Widdlerhope Manor.
I think Harrington’s point might be that in a hundred years our current dogmatism regarding sex and gender will look just as silly
I think Harrington’s point might be that in a hundred years our current dogmatism regarding sex and gender will look just as silly
As well as taking a hit from the covid lockdowns, a lot of Youth Hostels were sold off following the total shutdown of the countryside due to foot and mouth in 2001. Thankfully we all have Prof Ferguson and his modellers to thank for saving us on both occasions.
As well as taking a hit from the covid lockdowns, a lot of Youth Hostels were sold off following the total shutdown of the countryside due to foot and mouth in 2001. Thankfully we all have Prof Ferguson and his modellers to thank for saving us on both occasions.
I came across Kibbo Kift sometime ago, I have no knowledge of it at all was it an attempt to set up something like these German groups in the UK ?
An anti-militaristic alternative to the scouts, I think
The Woodcraft Folk, who are still around today being a kind of anti-authoritarian and anti-militarist version of the scouts, were originally formed by dissident Kibbo Kift members, so the movement still exists, albeit in altered form.
I once heard someone whose parents met through the Kibbo Kift reminisce about going on reunion camps for the Kindred in the 1970s. It sounded very strange but also at times rather inspiring to experience all that high idealism and the Tolkeinesque costumes and mythology.
The Woodcraft Folk, who are still around today being a kind of anti-authoritarian and anti-militarist version of the scouts, were originally formed by dissident Kibbo Kift members, so the movement still exists, albeit in altered form.
I once heard someone whose parents met through the Kibbo Kift reminisce about going on reunion camps for the Kindred in the 1970s. It sounded very strange but also at times rather inspiring to experience all that high idealism and the Tolkeinesque costumes and mythology.
An anti-militaristic alternative to the scouts, I think
I came across Kibbo Kift sometime ago, I have no knowledge of it at all was it an attempt to set up something like these German groups in the UK ?
What will happen to the sold off youth hostels?
Are they perhaps destined to house illegal migrants or refugees?
What will happen to the sold off youth hostels?
Are they perhaps destined to house illegal migrants or refugees?
This is the most enjoyable article I have read all week. An added bonus is that the mere mention of The Guardian has triggered the rabid Brexit readership. Top work!
This is the most enjoyable article I have read all week. An added bonus is that the mere mention of The Guardian has triggered the rabid Brexit readership. Top work!
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I spent a wonderful academic year “abroad” in 1976-77, studying philosophy and logic at the University of Edinburgh, singing early music, attempting to learn to play the cello, and hosteling. My favorite hostel memory is a few days in the very north of Scotland, in what seemed to a young American student very much a castle but was most likely a stately home. My assigned chore was to dust the statues in the gallery. To reach the local pub I took a short-cut along a train trestle (risky business), and I saw the Northern Lights. It was a magical week’s holiday between terms. I loved traveling on my own.
My husband (of more than forty years) was a Boy Scout and Eagle Scout. He treasures his memories of scout masters from town who mentored him (he was fatherless), long hikes along the Appalachian Trail, and leading younger boys through weekend camping adventures. To my knowledge he never hosteled as I did in Europe, and I’m not sure he would describe his experience in the scouts as “romantic”, but they were deeply formative.
This seems like ripe pickings for incels.
This seems like ripe pickings for incels.