Of the 400 or so people who drowned off the coast of Greece recently, 21 (I think) were Pakistanis from the same village. Get ready for the next great surge because they’ll all have a relative in Newcastle where luckily, that nice Labour Councillor Irim Ali can “regularise” their fake asylum claims.
Of the 400 or so people who drowned off the coast of Greece recently, 21 (I think) were Pakistanis from the same village. Get ready for the next great surge because they’ll all have a relative in Newcastle where luckily, that nice Labour Councillor Irim Ali can “regularise” their fake asylum claims.
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
“Pakistani democracy is dead”.
One must ask, was it EVER alive?
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
“Pakistani democracy is dead”.
One must ask, was it EVER alive?
Samuel Ross
9 months ago
What Pakistan needs is sound governance. Unfortunately, that only arises from sound minds and hearts.
Muslim, Sikh or Hindu? About a third of the Indian Army was Muslim.
The Hindu and Sikh middle class fled to India and the upper class Muslims remained which meant most ended up in India. Most of the Indian army was close to the North West Frontier.
The consequence was that Pakistan comprised a very small middle class, mostly in the Armed Services, feudal land owners such as Bhuttos and a vast uneducated mass. As early as 19th ventury Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was concerned the Muslims were not aquiring Western knowledge whereas the Hindus were keen attendees of universities.
The government supporting decent schools would mean parents less likely to send sons to extreme madrassas.
The writer ignores the increase in more extreme Islamic thought introduced by Zia ul Haq from1979 onwards and the increasing Salaafi influence at the expense of the Sufi.
Punjabi Muslims had a rich literature and culture of their own in the Punjabi language, supplemented by Persian and Arabic. They had no reason to learn English. Punjabi Hindus had no such literature or culture. Moreover, Punjabi Hindus belonged to low status service and trading castes who learnt the language of and worked as clerks for whoever happened to rule over them. Therefore they learnt Persian during Mughal days but adopted English during the Raj.
Looks like they deleted my comment which in response to your comment accurately explained why Muslims in Pakistan did not learn in English but Hindus did. It was nothing to do with one community having a greater love of education or learning. Far from it. Persian and Arabic not English were the languages of Islamic culture and civilisation. Hindus learnt English only because one of their traditional occupations, that of clerks, required it.
Your ignoring Brahmins, Parsees, and Sikhs and the need fpr Western Technology. .
Sir Syed Amhed Khan was concerned that Muslins were falling behind Hindus in aquiring western knowledge. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: The champion of education – The Core Indian
At Independence, what is today Pakistan and Bangladesh lost much of the middle class who comprised Hindis, Sikhs and Parsees to India . Hence the Armed Forces provided a disproportionately large proportion of the middle classes.
The Parsees elected to stay in India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardaseer_Cursetjee
Jejeebhoy baronets – Wikipedi
Your ignoring Brahmins, Parsees, and Sikhs and the need fpr Western Technology. .
Sir Syed Amhed Khan was concerned that Muslins were falling behind Hindus in aquiring western knowledge. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: The champion of education – The Core Indian
At Independence, what is today Pakistan and Bangladesh lost much of the middle class who comprised Hindis, Sikhs and Parsees to India . Hence the Armed Forces provided a disproportionately large proportion of the middle classes.
The Parsees elected to stay in India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardaseer_Cursetjee
Jejeebhoy baronets – Wikipedi
Punjabi Muslims had a rich literature and culture of their own in the Punjabi language, supplemented by Persian and Arabic. They had no reason to learn English. Punjabi Hindus had no such literature or culture. Moreover, Punjabi Hindus belonged to low status service and trading castes who learnt the language of and worked as clerks for whoever happened to rule over them. Therefore they learnt Persian during Mughal days but adopted English during the Raj.
Looks like they deleted my comment which in response to your comment accurately explained why Muslims in Pakistan did not learn in English but Hindus did. It was nothing to do with one community having a greater love of education or learning. Far from it. Persian and Arabic not English were the languages of Islamic culture and civilisation. Hindus learnt English only because one of their traditional occupations, that of clerks, required it.
Muslim, Sikh or Hindu? About a third of the Indian Army was Muslim.
The Hindu and Sikh middle class fled to India and the upper class Muslims remained which meant most ended up in India. Most of the Indian army was close to the North West Frontier.
The consequence was that Pakistan comprised a very small middle class, mostly in the Armed Services, feudal land owners such as Bhuttos and a vast uneducated mass. As early as 19th ventury Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was concerned the Muslims were not aquiring Western knowledge whereas the Hindus were keen attendees of universities.
The government supporting decent schools would mean parents less likely to send sons to extreme madrassas.
The writer ignores the increase in more extreme Islamic thought introduced by Zia ul Haq from1979 onwards and the increasing Salaafi influence at the expense of the Sufi.
How did governing the lands that are now Pakistan benefit the British?
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
The only people capable of bringing ‘sound governance’ to Pakistan are the British, but sadly we have moved on.
Jim Bocho
9 months ago
This guy never tires of playing the same record on every single platform he’s given. He doesn’t say a word about The Intercept’s recent revelations confirming Imran Khan’s claims about his overthrow by the army and the Sharifs.
How about unHerd providing a platform to a more rational voice from Pakistan like Arif K. Rafiq (arifrafiq.com) ?
You should give them some money and they might provide a platform for what you say. Have you ever run a business lots of costs impossible to make all happy?
You should give them some money and they might provide a platform for what you say. Have you ever run a business lots of costs impossible to make all happy?
This guy never tires of playing the same record on every single platform he’s given. He doesn’t say a word about The Intercept’s recent revelations confirming Imran Khan’s claims about his overthrow by the army and the Sharifs.
How about unHerd providing a platform to a more rational voice from Pakistan like Arif K. Rafiq (arifrafiq.com) ?
Of the 400 or so people who drowned off the coast of Greece recently, 21 (I think) were Pakistanis from the same village. Get ready for the next great surge because they’ll all have a relative in Newcastle where luckily, that nice Labour Councillor Irim Ali can “regularise” their fake asylum claims.
Sadly that’s exactly how it is.
Having turned their own country into a s***h*le they are desperate to get to this country so that they can turn it into a s***h*le
Pakistanis turned their own beautiful and magical country into a Hellhole, but so did 70 years of constant American interference.
The UK has had had 70 years of US interference so that must be our excuse
The UK has had had 70 years of US interference so that must be our excuse
Pakistanis turned their own beautiful and magical country into a Hellhole, but so did 70 years of constant American interference.
Having turned their own country into a s***h*le they are desperate to get to this country so that they can turn it into a s***h*le
Sadly that’s exactly how it is.
Of the 400 or so people who drowned off the coast of Greece recently, 21 (I think) were Pakistanis from the same village. Get ready for the next great surge because they’ll all have a relative in Newcastle where luckily, that nice Labour Councillor Irim Ali can “regularise” their fake asylum claims.
“Pakistani democracy is dead”.
One must ask, was it EVER alive?
“Pakistani democracy is dead”.
One must ask, was it EVER alive?
What Pakistan needs is sound governance. Unfortunately, that only arises from sound minds and hearts.
Good leadership is what Pakistan really needs. Unfortunately, that can only come from emotionally and intellectually stable people.
Agreed, but also from people whose country isn’t subjected to constant American interference.
Agreed, but also from people whose country isn’t subjected to constant American interference.
Good leadership is what Pakistan really needs. Unfortunately, that can only come from emotionally and intellectually stable people.
What Pakistan needs is sound governance. Unfortunately, that only arises from sound minds and hearts.
The only people capable of bringing ‘sound governance’ to Pakistan are the British, but sadly we have moved on.
How did governing the lands that are now Pakistan benefit the British?
They didn’t really.
However once we had started conquering India we just couldn’t stop!
Almost half the soldiers of the British ‘Indian’ Empire who fought for Britain in world wars were from West Punjab in Pakistan.
And quite a mutinous lot as I recall.
Muslim, Sikh or Hindu? About a third of the Indian Army was Muslim.
The Hindu and Sikh middle class fled to India and the upper class Muslims remained which meant most ended up in India. Most of the Indian army was close to the North West Frontier.
The consequence was that Pakistan comprised a very small middle class, mostly in the Armed Services, feudal land owners such as Bhuttos and a vast uneducated mass. As early as 19th ventury Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was concerned the Muslims were not aquiring Western knowledge whereas the Hindus were keen attendees of universities.
The government supporting decent schools would mean parents less likely to send sons to extreme madrassas.
The writer ignores the increase in more extreme Islamic thought introduced by Zia ul Haq from1979 onwards and the increasing Salaafi influence at the expense of the Sufi.
Punjabi Muslims had a rich literature and culture of their own in the Punjabi language, supplemented by Persian and Arabic. They had no reason to learn English. Punjabi Hindus had no such literature or culture. Moreover, Punjabi Hindus belonged to low status service and trading castes who learnt the language of and worked as clerks for whoever happened to rule over them. Therefore they learnt Persian during Mughal days but adopted English during the Raj.
Looks like they deleted my comment which in response to your comment accurately explained why Muslims in Pakistan did not learn in English but Hindus did. It was nothing to do with one community having a greater love of education or learning. Far from it. Persian and Arabic not English were the languages of Islamic culture and civilisation. Hindus learnt English only because one of their traditional occupations, that of clerks, required it.
Your ignoring Brahmins, Parsees, and Sikhs and the need fpr Western Technology. .
Sir Syed Amhed Khan was concerned that Muslins were falling behind Hindus in aquiring western knowledge.
Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: The champion of education – The Core Indian
At Independence, what is today Pakistan and Bangladesh lost much of the middle class who comprised Hindis, Sikhs and Parsees to India . Hence the Armed Forces provided a disproportionately large proportion of the middle classes.
The Parsees elected to stay in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardaseer_Cursetjee
Jejeebhoy baronets – Wikipedi
Your ignoring Brahmins, Parsees, and Sikhs and the need fpr Western Technology. .
Sir Syed Amhed Khan was concerned that Muslins were falling behind Hindus in aquiring western knowledge.
Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: The champion of education – The Core Indian
At Independence, what is today Pakistan and Bangladesh lost much of the middle class who comprised Hindis, Sikhs and Parsees to India . Hence the Armed Forces provided a disproportionately large proportion of the middle classes.
The Parsees elected to stay in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardaseer_Cursetjee
Jejeebhoy baronets – Wikipedi
Punjabi Muslims had a rich literature and culture of their own in the Punjabi language, supplemented by Persian and Arabic. They had no reason to learn English. Punjabi Hindus had no such literature or culture. Moreover, Punjabi Hindus belonged to low status service and trading castes who learnt the language of and worked as clerks for whoever happened to rule over them. Therefore they learnt Persian during Mughal days but adopted English during the Raj.
Looks like they deleted my comment which in response to your comment accurately explained why Muslims in Pakistan did not learn in English but Hindus did. It was nothing to do with one community having a greater love of education or learning. Far from it. Persian and Arabic not English were the languages of Islamic culture and civilisation. Hindus learnt English only because one of their traditional occupations, that of clerks, required it.
And quite a mutinous lot as I recall.
Muslim, Sikh or Hindu? About a third of the Indian Army was Muslim.
The Hindu and Sikh middle class fled to India and the upper class Muslims remained which meant most ended up in India. Most of the Indian army was close to the North West Frontier.
The consequence was that Pakistan comprised a very small middle class, mostly in the Armed Services, feudal land owners such as Bhuttos and a vast uneducated mass. As early as 19th ventury Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was concerned the Muslims were not aquiring Western knowledge whereas the Hindus were keen attendees of universities.
The government supporting decent schools would mean parents less likely to send sons to extreme madrassas.
The writer ignores the increase in more extreme Islamic thought introduced by Zia ul Haq from1979 onwards and the increasing Salaafi influence at the expense of the Sufi.
Almost half the soldiers of the British ‘Indian’ Empire who fought for Britain in world wars were from West Punjab in Pakistan.
They didn’t really.
However once we had started conquering India we just couldn’t stop!
How did governing the lands that are now Pakistan benefit the British?
The only people capable of bringing ‘sound governance’ to Pakistan are the British, but sadly we have moved on.
This guy never tires of playing the same record on every single platform he’s given. He doesn’t say a word about The Intercept’s recent revelations confirming Imran Khan’s claims about his overthrow by the army and the Sharifs.
How about unHerd providing a platform to a more rational voice from Pakistan like Arif K. Rafiq (arifrafiq.com) ?
You should give them some money and they might provide a platform for what you say. Have you ever run a business lots of costs impossible to make all happy?
All I’m asking for is a writer with more respect for the facts and who doesn’t cut and past virtually the same article onto every news platform.
All I’m asking for is a writer with more respect for the facts and who doesn’t cut and past virtually the same article onto every news platform.
Khan is truly a corrupt man.
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You should give them some money and they might provide a platform for what you say. Have you ever run a business lots of costs impossible to make all happy?
Khan is truly a corrupt man.
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This guy never tires of playing the same record on every single platform he’s given. He doesn’t say a word about The Intercept’s recent revelations confirming Imran Khan’s claims about his overthrow by the army and the Sharifs.
How about unHerd providing a platform to a more rational voice from Pakistan like Arif K. Rafiq (arifrafiq.com) ?