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Geoffrey Kolbe
Geoffrey Kolbe
10 months ago

“Ukraine is losing around 10,000 drones per day to Russian electronic warfare.”
I think that should be 10,000 drones per month…

Geoffrey Kolbe
Geoffrey Kolbe
10 months ago

“Ukraine is losing around 10,000 drones per day to Russian electronic warfare.”
I think that should be 10,000 drones per month…

Andy Iddon
Andy Iddon
10 months ago

This war really needs to cease – nothing will be gained and a lot is at risk. All parties are bad, including the western governments. Russia is a gangster state, Ukraine is unbelievably corrupt and being sold to the highest bidder under the cover of war. Another battle for resources and we were the prime mover.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

Agreed. And the one missing piece of vital information in this fascinating piece is when the Ukrainian military will be implementing DEI protocols. Who cares about how they survive on the front line? We should be more interested in how they are working on equity and inclusion, because we all know that diversity is the key to success in the trenches!

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Imagine being SO stupid that you don’t even realize your being used as cannon fodder all on the promise of free coca cola for life.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Imagine being SO stupid that you don’t even realize your being used as cannon fodder all on the promise of free coca cola for life.

David Fülöp
David Fülöp
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

There is only one country here attacking another one trying to topple its government and that is Russia.

Jim C
Jim C
10 months ago
Reply to  David Fülöp

The West has been working to turn Ukraine into a Western proxy since MI6 and the CIA sponsored Bandera and Lebed and the OUN-B against the USSR following WW2.
You can find a 2014 clip of Nuland telling listeners how the US alone invested $5B in “building democratic institutions” there; ie, buying agents and fostering extreme ethnonationalists (like Svoboda, Pravyi Sektor and Karas’ C14) since the country’s independence in 1991.
Stratfor described (boasted) the 2014 Maidan revolution as the “most blatant coup in history”.
Check out RAND corporation’s 2019 “Extending Russia” document for recommendations to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan 2.0 for the Russians.
This war was foreseen decades ago by George Kennan and John Mearsheimer (and plenty of others) if the West attempted to incorporate Ukraine into NATO.
Ukrainians are being used as cannon fodder in the Western elites’ unending quest for dominance (and sales of military equipment).
How many tens of billions of dollars has this conflict made for the MIC so far? What a great investment. If you’re a psychopath.
When it dawns on enough Ukrainians how they’ve been used, there will be hell to pay.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

Obviously, the vast majority of US businesses, which are not in defence, are but puppets in the hands of the MIC and Hunter Biden.

Simple minded idiocy explains all complex phenomena!

Or rather is the only explanation simple minded people can comprehend…

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

When it dawn’s on them. Well all the stupid ones are in the army. And all the clever ones are American.shills..
Watch a YouTube channel Pavlo from Ukraine. And ask what is really going on in Ukraine.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

Obviously, the vast majority of US businesses, which are not in defence, are but puppets in the hands of the MIC and Hunter Biden.

Simple minded idiocy explains all complex phenomena!

Or rather is the only explanation simple minded people can comprehend…

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

When it dawn’s on them. Well all the stupid ones are in the army. And all the clever ones are American.shills..
Watch a YouTube channel Pavlo from Ukraine. And ask what is really going on in Ukraine.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  David Fülöp

Oh My God. If Putin wins he’ll send his troops marching all across Europe to get to us in the British isles. Like he couldn’t just.send some troops across the North Sea in a leaky boat,have them land on Scarborough Beach.and take Whitby and we wouldn’t know or care because the BBC would be telljng us luverley lascivious stories about the latest family friendly presenter.

Jim C
Jim C
10 months ago
Reply to  David Fülöp

The West has been working to turn Ukraine into a Western proxy since MI6 and the CIA sponsored Bandera and Lebed and the OUN-B against the USSR following WW2.
You can find a 2014 clip of Nuland telling listeners how the US alone invested $5B in “building democratic institutions” there; ie, buying agents and fostering extreme ethnonationalists (like Svoboda, Pravyi Sektor and Karas’ C14) since the country’s independence in 1991.
Stratfor described (boasted) the 2014 Maidan revolution as the “most blatant coup in history”.
Check out RAND corporation’s 2019 “Extending Russia” document for recommendations to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan 2.0 for the Russians.
This war was foreseen decades ago by George Kennan and John Mearsheimer (and plenty of others) if the West attempted to incorporate Ukraine into NATO.
Ukrainians are being used as cannon fodder in the Western elites’ unending quest for dominance (and sales of military equipment).
How many tens of billions of dollars has this conflict made for the MIC so far? What a great investment. If you’re a psychopath.
When it dawns on enough Ukrainians how they’ve been used, there will be hell to pay.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  David Fülöp

Oh My God. If Putin wins he’ll send his troops marching all across Europe to get to us in the British isles. Like he couldn’t just.send some troops across the North Sea in a leaky boat,have them land on Scarborough Beach.and take Whitby and we wouldn’t know or care because the BBC would be telljng us luverley lascivious stories about the latest family friendly presenter.

Perry de Havilland
Perry de Havilland
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

“and we were the prime mover”

Russia is the prime mover, to think otherwise it bizarre. USA had to be mugged by reality before it started backing Ukraine at scale, following only after Poland & UK already started sending everything they could.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago

Yes,it was really handy. Charity shop rearmament. We had to pay good money to warehouse all that antiquated tech and no longer supported software. So we sent all that useless crap to Ukraine and Zelensky was delighted until he got wise to it. Now he’s really pissed because he’s onto our game. All those cluster bombs Sleepy Joe is sending,the old ones that don’t work.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago

Yes,it was really handy. Charity shop rearmament. We had to pay good money to warehouse all that antiquated tech and no longer supported software. So we sent all that useless crap to Ukraine and Zelensky was delighted until he got wise to it. Now he’s really pissed because he’s onto our game. All those cluster bombs Sleepy Joe is sending,the old ones that don’t work.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

Won’t cease until Russia is exhausted and in turmoil. Crimean War, Japanese War, 1905, WW1, Afghanistan. Nearly all Russian wars end with regime change.

They can only win as part of a grand coalition.

Otherwise, too incompetent to accomplish anything.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

It’s like the Flashman novel in real life. The Great Game. Who knew we have time traveled back to the 19th.centuty.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

It’s like the Flashman novel in real life. The Great Game. Who knew we have time traveled back to the 19th.centuty.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

It’s too profitable to end it.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

Agreed. And the one missing piece of vital information in this fascinating piece is when the Ukrainian military will be implementing DEI protocols. Who cares about how they survive on the front line? We should be more interested in how they are working on equity and inclusion, because we all know that diversity is the key to success in the trenches!

David Fülöp
David Fülöp
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

There is only one country here attacking another one trying to topple its government and that is Russia.

Perry de Havilland
Perry de Havilland
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

“and we were the prime mover”

Russia is the prime mover, to think otherwise it bizarre. USA had to be mugged by reality before it started backing Ukraine at scale, following only after Poland & UK already started sending everything they could.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

Won’t cease until Russia is exhausted and in turmoil. Crimean War, Japanese War, 1905, WW1, Afghanistan. Nearly all Russian wars end with regime change.

They can only win as part of a grand coalition.

Otherwise, too incompetent to accomplish anything.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Andy Iddon

It’s too profitable to end it.

Andy Iddon
Andy Iddon
10 months ago

This war really needs to cease – nothing will be gained and a lot is at risk. All parties are bad, including the western governments. Russia is a gangster state, Ukraine is unbelievably corrupt and being sold to the highest bidder under the cover of war. Another battle for resources and we were the prime mover.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
10 months ago

The one missing piece of vital information in this fascinating piece is when the Ukrainian military will be implementing DEI protocols. Who cares about how they survive on the front line? We should be more interested in how they are working on equity and inclusion, because we all know that diversity is the key to success in the trenches!

Campbell P
Campbell P
10 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Interesting that both Israel and the US now, after experience, having to rethink the infantry role for women. Compensation medical claims from women after a spell in the infantry. OK, there may be exceptions but the Brit army really needs to rethink this one.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Campbell P

Don’t they all get preggers.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Campbell P

Don’t they all get preggers.

Campbell P
Campbell P
10 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Interesting that both Israel and the US now, after experience, having to rethink the infantry role for women. Compensation medical claims from women after a spell in the infantry. OK, there may be exceptions but the Brit army really needs to rethink this one.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
10 months ago

The one missing piece of vital information in this fascinating piece is when the Ukrainian military will be implementing DEI protocols. Who cares about how they survive on the front line? We should be more interested in how they are working on equity and inclusion, because we all know that diversity is the key to success in the trenches!

Kevin Dee
Kevin Dee
10 months ago

Scary for soldiers as I’d hate to have to worry about drones following me around and filming my death. Fascinating in how war is changing. Reminds me of WW1 were new tech and old tactics led to the initial stalemate. All this new tech but still soldiers fighting in trenches.

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
10 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Dee

I think it might be more significant than that.

Both Russia and NATO don’t have the industrial capacity to decisively increase advanced arms in the field. Neither side is doing much innovation with drones, using them as they would traditional aircraft.

This has parallels with the late 18th century Ottoman Empire. It did have access to modern weapons, but their numbers were limited by its feeble industrial capacity. It could never contemplate military strategies integrating lots of advanced weaponry, so its military strategies also stagnated in a world of rapid technological change. The Ottoman Empire ultimately got sidelined by history.

Asia is supplying the electronic equipment needed by both NATO and Russia for this modern warfare. Only Asia has the industrial capacity to decisively increase the deployment of advanced arms in the field. Probably only Iran and China can build swarms of drones, and therefore develop fighting strategies using swarms. Meanwhile NATO (and presumably Russia) has almost all of its modern weapons and even traditional ordnance on decade-long back order.

Last edited 10 months ago by Nell Clover
martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Since various anti-air cannon and machine guns have been downing nearly all Iranian drones, they are at best of marginal significance.

Only Russia’s expensive cruise missiles need to be shot down by Patriots.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Aw,less kill Russians,less tear em limb from limb. We luvs ter.kill Russians.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Aw,less kill Russians,less tear em limb from limb. We luvs ter.kill Russians.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Since various anti-air cannon and machine guns have been downing nearly all Iranian drones, they are at best of marginal significance.

Only Russia’s expensive cruise missiles need to be shot down by Patriots.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Dee

We should all say No. Russian soldiers. Ukranian ones. What’d happen if the UK government introduced conscription.

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
10 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Dee

I think it might be more significant than that.

Both Russia and NATO don’t have the industrial capacity to decisively increase advanced arms in the field. Neither side is doing much innovation with drones, using them as they would traditional aircraft.

This has parallels with the late 18th century Ottoman Empire. It did have access to modern weapons, but their numbers were limited by its feeble industrial capacity. It could never contemplate military strategies integrating lots of advanced weaponry, so its military strategies also stagnated in a world of rapid technological change. The Ottoman Empire ultimately got sidelined by history.

Asia is supplying the electronic equipment needed by both NATO and Russia for this modern warfare. Only Asia has the industrial capacity to decisively increase the deployment of advanced arms in the field. Probably only Iran and China can build swarms of drones, and therefore develop fighting strategies using swarms. Meanwhile NATO (and presumably Russia) has almost all of its modern weapons and even traditional ordnance on decade-long back order.

Last edited 10 months ago by Nell Clover
jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Dee

We should all say No. Russian soldiers. Ukranian ones. What’d happen if the UK government introduced conscription.

Kevin Dee
Kevin Dee
10 months ago

Scary for soldiers as I’d hate to have to worry about drones following me around and filming my death. Fascinating in how war is changing. Reminds me of WW1 were new tech and old tactics led to the initial stalemate. All this new tech but still soldiers fighting in trenches.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
10 months ago

We have lots of drones on commuter trains coming in from Kent and Surrey, glued to the lap tops, office securitypasses round their necks, all clad in combustible poly draylon… perhaps they could cunningly be deployed to bore an enemy to death or suicide as they droned on about ITor insurance?

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

By God, they scare me!

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

By God, they scare me!

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
10 months ago

We have lots of drones on commuter trains coming in from Kent and Surrey, glued to the lap tops, office securitypasses round their necks, all clad in combustible poly draylon… perhaps they could cunningly be deployed to bore an enemy to death or suicide as they droned on about ITor insurance?

Victoria Cooper
Victoria Cooper
10 months ago

As if they were playing a video game. Chilling.

Victoria Cooper
Victoria Cooper
10 months ago

As if they were playing a video game. Chilling.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

Putin’s draft turns out to have been a bad mistake. Many of those who fled the country were IT specialists, who might have aided in the production of drones and development of drone doctrine.
Nearly all the “mobiks” drafted since then have been people from low-tech parts of the country.
Indeed, the leaders of the Donbas republics admit that almost no military age men remain who are either in the army, fled or casualties. That’s now seems to be Russia’s future.
Ironically, it seems that, actually, Donbas annexed Russia, not the other way around.

D Walsh
D Walsh
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Martin, It’s not hard to find videos of Russian drones destroying all kinds of Ukrainian/NATO hardware

The Russians seem to have more/better drones

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Both sides have drones. The Russian survey drones are likely as cheap as Ukraine. Russians have much better jamming kit in general The Russians use strike drones more than Ukraine. Unclear if there are skill differences. Hopefully the US is watching carefully.

D Walsh
D Walsh
10 months ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

At the start of the war, we were told the Switchblade was going to decimate the Russians, it turned out to be no better than the Leopards and Bradleys/Strikers

For the true believers its all about the F-16 now, they really believe it will make all the difference

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

No, the cluster bombs will change it, if anything does. Virtually an infinite number.

Poor mobiks!

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

The weapons Diana got “banned” just before she died. ….. I say,she intervened in the industrial-military complex then she died….but the driver was pissed,and accidents happen

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

The weapons Diana got “banned” just before she died. ….. I say,she intervened in the industrial-military complex then she died….but the driver was pissed,and accidents happen

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

No, the cluster bombs will change it, if anything does. Virtually an infinite number.

Poor mobiks!

D Walsh
D Walsh
10 months ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

At the start of the war, we were told the Switchblade was going to decimate the Russians, it turned out to be no better than the Leopards and Bradleys/Strikers

For the true believers its all about the F-16 now, they really believe it will make all the difference

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

“Seem” is meaningless in the fog of any war.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Both sides have drones. The Russian survey drones are likely as cheap as Ukraine. Russians have much better jamming kit in general The Russians use strike drones more than Ukraine. Unclear if there are skill differences. Hopefully the US is watching carefully.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

“Seem” is meaningless in the fog of any war.

P Branagan
P Branagan
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Nurse cones in:….. “Martin Dear it’s time for your anti-dementia meds and your Horlicks…..”
Nurse walks out and turns out the lights.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Fact based repostes are always the best!

Thanks!

Last edited 10 months ago by martin logan
martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Fact based repostes are always the best!

Thanks!

Last edited 10 months ago by martin logan
Jim C
Jim C
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Almost half of Ukraine’s population have left the country since the Maidan coup in 2014 (and many of those millions fled to Russia after the Ukrainians started shelling the rebel areas and discriminating against Russian-speakers – so those “Ukrainians” are available as human resources to Russia).
Whereas (I believe) maybe a million Russians have left Russia since this war kicked off early last year.
The Ukrainians thus face far greater human resources challenges than the Russians. Ukraine will be receiving more technical help from the rest of the world, true, but there’s no question that China are in Russia’s corner.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

Interesting… take…on the real situation:

A quarter (not a half) of Ukraine’s population is displaced, many of whom are INTERNALLY DISPLACED. Legally , males of draft age can’t leave the country.

Ukraine is fully mobilized, from a population as large as France in WW1.

Whereas Putin dare not mobilize.

So who’s gonna win?

But keep trying!

Last edited 10 months ago by martin logan
jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

But they are all so stupid they aim it at themselves. It’s war.as done by Fred Karnos Army. They’ve even got a Clown as a leader.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

Interesting… take…on the real situation:

A quarter (not a half) of Ukraine’s population is displaced, many of whom are INTERNALLY DISPLACED. Legally , males of draft age can’t leave the country.

Ukraine is fully mobilized, from a population as large as France in WW1.

Whereas Putin dare not mobilize.

So who’s gonna win?

But keep trying!

Last edited 10 months ago by martin logan
jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

But they are all so stupid they aim it at themselves. It’s war.as done by Fred Karnos Army. They’ve even got a Clown as a leader.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

What happened to “over by Xmas” 2022. The people of Donbas voted to be Russian. But that was a democratic vote and thus Unamerican.

D Walsh
D Walsh
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Martin, It’s not hard to find videos of Russian drones destroying all kinds of Ukrainian/NATO hardware

The Russians seem to have more/better drones

P Branagan
P Branagan
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Nurse cones in:….. “Martin Dear it’s time for your anti-dementia meds and your Horlicks…..”
Nurse walks out and turns out the lights.

Jim C
Jim C
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Almost half of Ukraine’s population have left the country since the Maidan coup in 2014 (and many of those millions fled to Russia after the Ukrainians started shelling the rebel areas and discriminating against Russian-speakers – so those “Ukrainians” are available as human resources to Russia).
Whereas (I believe) maybe a million Russians have left Russia since this war kicked off early last year.
The Ukrainians thus face far greater human resources challenges than the Russians. Ukraine will be receiving more technical help from the rest of the world, true, but there’s no question that China are in Russia’s corner.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

What happened to “over by Xmas” 2022. The people of Donbas voted to be Russian. But that was a democratic vote and thus Unamerican.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

Putin’s draft turns out to have been a bad mistake. Many of those who fled the country were IT specialists, who might have aided in the production of drones and development of drone doctrine.
Nearly all the “mobiks” drafted since then have been people from low-tech parts of the country.
Indeed, the leaders of the Donbas republics admit that almost no military age men remain who are either in the army, fled or casualties. That’s now seems to be Russia’s future.
Ironically, it seems that, actually, Donbas annexed Russia, not the other way around.

Stephen Magee
Stephen Magee
10 months ago

I’m still no wiser about how the rules of engagement are being changed. Could it be that someone at Unherd doesn’t know what rules of engagement are?

Stephen Magee
Stephen Magee
10 months ago

I’m still no wiser about how the rules of engagement are being changed. Could it be that someone at Unherd doesn’t know what rules of engagement are?

new aether
new aether
10 months ago

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new aether
new aether
10 months ago

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jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago

Hateful vile bastards. Those ukranians. I hope Putin whups the lot of em.

jane baker
jane baker
10 months ago

Hateful vile bastards. Those ukranians. I hope Putin whups the lot of em.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

Looks like the cluster bombs will be the deciding factor. Plenty of them in the West, and not much poor mobile can do against them. Even now Storm Z units suffer 70% casualties in their counter attacks.

Girkin/Strelkov claims any number of Russian ldrs are planning to oust Putin and end the war.

Not that any Russian (not in the trenches) cares, of course.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

Looks like the cluster bombs will be the deciding factor. Plenty of them in the West, and not much poor mobile can do against them. Even now Storm Z units suffer 70% casualties in their counter attacks.

Girkin/Strelkov claims any number of Russian ldrs are planning to oust Putin and end the war.

Not that any Russian (not in the trenches) cares, of course.