It just all seems to be yesterday’s news nowadays. Both Labour and Conservative, and the establishment generally, is rotten and corrupt and they have no intention of addressing their own malignant nature. Isn’t it us against them again, just with different betrayals for the working classes to try and address? Tbh it’s fait accompli -the class war has been won by eliminating the nation and replacing it with “values”. Healthy self-interest has been stigmatised and vilified, resistance has been made futile.
I completely agree with you, however there is a glimmer of hope!
The other day, after much trouble from that abomination otherwise known as the House of Lords, the Government finally passed the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill.
This should mean the end of vexatious prosecutions being brought against former members of the British Army who had the inestimable joy of serving in Northern Ireland during the ludicrously named “troubles “. (1969-1997.)
However it will be TOO late for Soldier F, who is currently undergoing the ‘Show Trial’ of the century for his alleged participation in an incident in early 1972, that is sometimes referred to as either ‘Bloody Sunday’ or ‘Good Sunday’ depending on one’s point of view.
I have already suggested to you, Charles, without response on your part (very uncharacteristically), that the only rational explanation for the British Army’s behaviour in Ballymurphy ,and then in Derry, was that they carried out an administrative massacre in both cases.
Administrative massacres are routine in British military history.
Amritsar is perhaps the most disgusting.
The administrative massacres could only have been authorised by Ted Heath.
They did not work! They prolonged the war by nearly thirty years.
I am so sorry I completely missed your epistle! It must be something to do with old age!
However I’m afraid I must disagree. I wouldn’t describe either Ballymurphy or Londonderry as massacres, the number of rounds fired and actual fatalities inflicted was infinitesimal by usual standards. Also by late 1971 Northern Ireland was in a state of war and over 60 members of the Security Services had already been killed. Retribution was bound to follow, and some would say that when it came it was far too timid! Thus the ‘enemy’ were encouraged and the ‘war’ continued for a further 25 years.*
Even Amritsar has been grossly overhyped, particularly by that arch hypocrite, but consummate politician, one Winston Spencer Churchill.
As to Edward Heath a more worthless ‘waste of rations’ would be hard to imagine. I very much doubt if he authorised any “administrative massacres” as you call them. As I recall Heath’s attitude was:- “Please sort out the Irish, but for God’s sake DONT kill any of them, even if they try to kill you”.
So how should it have gone?
Well that other spineless t**d, otherwise known as Harold Wilson, should have deployed the Army in the autumn of 1968**, a year earlier that he actually did.
Once deployed they should have destroyed the only extant enemy, the Protestant Loyalists hoodlums. The IRA were totally moribund at the time and no threat to man nor beast. Destroying the Protestants would at worst have taken a month and involved killing a maximum of about 500 of them. A quite acceptable level of violence in retrospect.
(* It must be said providing superb ‘live’ training for junior commanders, and a great relief from the boredom of BAOR.)
(** Aden had finished the previous year so there were no other major ‘live’ commitments to distract anyone.)
I am so sorry I completely missed your epistle! It must be something to do with old age!
However I’m afraid I must disagree. I wouldn’t describe either Ballymurphy or Londonderry as massacres, the number of rounds fired and actual fatalities inflicted was infinitesimal by usual standards. Also by late 1971 Northern Ireland was in a state of war and over 60 members of the Security Services had already been killed. Retribution was bound to follow, and some would say that when it came it was far too timid! Thus the ‘enemy’ were encouraged and the ‘war’ continued for a further 25 years.*
Even Amritsar has been grossly overhyped, particularly by that arch hypocrite, but consummate politician, one Winston Spencer Churchill.
As to Edward Heath a more worthless ‘waste of rations’ would be hard to imagine. I very much doubt if he authorised any “administrative massacres” as you call them. As I recall Heath’s attitude was:- “Please sort out the Irish, but for God’s sake DONT kill any of them, even if they try to kill you”.
So how should it have gone?
Well that other spineless t**d, otherwise known as Harold Wilson, should have deployed the Army in the autumn of 1968**, a year earlier that he actually did.
Once deployed they should have destroyed the only extant enemy, the Protestant Loyalists hoodlums. The IRA were totally moribund at the time and no threat to man nor beast. Destroying the Protestants would at worst have taken a month and involved killing a maximum of about 500 of them. A quite acceptable level of violence in retrospect.
(* It must be said providing superb ‘live’ training for junior commanders, and a great relief from the boredom of BAOR.)
(** Aden had finished the previous year so there were no other major ‘live’ commitments to distract anyone.)
I have already suggested to you, Charles, without response on your part (very uncharacteristically), that the only rational explanation for the British Army’s behaviour in Ballymurphy ,and then in Derry, was that they carried out an administrative massacre in both cases.
Administrative massacres are routine in British military history.
Amritsar is perhaps the most disgusting.
The administrative massacres could only have been authorised by Ted Heath.
They did not work! They prolonged the war by nearly thirty years.
I completely agree with you, however there is a glimmer of hope!
The other day, after much trouble from that abomination otherwise known as the House of Lords, the Government finally passed the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill.
This should mean the end of vexatious prosecutions being brought against former members of the British Army who had the inestimable joy of serving in Northern Ireland during the ludicrously named “troubles “. (1969-1997.)
However it will be TOO late for Soldier F, who is currently undergoing the ‘Show Trial’ of the century for his alleged participation in an incident in early 1972, that is sometimes referred to as either ‘Bloody Sunday’ or ‘Good Sunday’ depending on one’s point of view.
Andy Iddon
9 months ago
It just all seems to be yesterday’s news nowadays. Both Labour and Conservative, and the establishment generally, is rotten and corrupt and they have no intention of addressing their own malignant nature. Isn’t it us against them again, just with different betrayals for the working classes to try and address? Tbh it’s fait accompli -the class war has been won by eliminating the nation and replacing it with “values”. Healthy self-interest has been stigmatised and vilified, resistance has been made futile.
Last edited 9 months ago by Andy Iddon
George Venning
9 months ago
Nice to see Michael Crick actually say this.
.
It’s all so tiring this faux hard-headed nonsense from the Labour right.
.
The same strategy every time, “we must tack to the centre to win power” and that means being seen to purge the left.
.
The problem is not only that, in doing so, they demoralise their natural supporters, whom they can only keep on board by saying that they’ll be better in power than the Tories. But they fail to win Tory support anyway because the Tories tell their supporters that all the rightward movement made in opposition will disappear as soon as they win power and that they will immmediately become Stalin.
.
So Labour supporters are being insulted and then asked to vote for a pig in a poke, whilst swing voters are essentially being told, “you can trust me because I havebetrayed my own supporters to get here.” It’s a magnificently terrible platform to stand on.
.
Obviously, the Graun is all in on this. Polly Toynbee and Martin Kettle have both written articles about how electoral tactics are the only thing that count and portraying all this as strategic genius when it’s actually the same rope-a-dope that Neil Kinnock fell for in 1992.
.
The media cheered whenever he went after the left and called him statesmanlike. But, when the election came round, they turned on him anyway and squeaked the Tories another five years.
“you can trust me because I havebetrayed my own supporters to get here.”
That’s brilliant. Sums up New Labour and its obsession with positioning, triangulation and PR. In this respect, Starmer is no different from Blair.
I’m no great fan of Blair but he he had a recognisable set of beliefs. He thought that good people could do good things with the tools currently available. Capitalism could be tamed, and even war could be an engine of the greater good. And, for all that people called him dishonest, he never lied about who or what he was.
What was his first act as Labour leader? To get rid of Clause 4. I thought that was odd then and I feel that subsequent events have not vindicated him. But it was him self-consciously announcing precisely who he was and what he believed. He ran for the leadership on that platform and won. Fair play.
Starmer… not so much
I’m no great fan of Blair but he he had a recognisable set of beliefs. He thought that good people could do good things with the tools currently available. Capitalism could be tamed, and even war could be an engine of the greater good. And, for all that people called him dishonest, he never lied about who or what he was.
What was his first act as Labour leader? To get rid of Clause 4. I thought that was odd then and I feel that subsequent events have not vindicated him. But it was him self-consciously announcing precisely who he was and what he believed. He ran for the leadership on that platform and won. Fair play.
Starmer… not so much
Labour’s ‘natural supporters’ under Corbyn were the cranks and the communists. Funnily enough, the country rejected them, massively in 2019. They’ve been expelled or left. Good riddance. They are not welcome in Labour.
I don’t think the populist movement in to Labour under Corbyn was exclusively “cranks and communists”, I think it was actually much more than that. Ultimately though, it failed for as many reasons as it started, but it proved that there was a platform for an alternative type of politics. It offered people something other than two shades of Neoliberism.
I believe Labour being a “broad church” will always keep it crippled. However, as long as we keep the FPTP system, there isn’t much chance for smaller parties to make the contribution they deserve.
I’m sorry if that was your experience. It certainly wasn’t mine.
.
Do you mind me asking, was that your personal experience, in branch meetings and so on?
I don’t think the populist movement in to Labour under Corbyn was exclusively “cranks and communists”, I think it was actually much more than that. Ultimately though, it failed for as many reasons as it started, but it proved that there was a platform for an alternative type of politics. It offered people something other than two shades of Neoliberism.
I believe Labour being a “broad church” will always keep it crippled. However, as long as we keep the FPTP system, there isn’t much chance for smaller parties to make the contribution they deserve.
I’m sorry if that was your experience. It certainly wasn’t mine.
.
Do you mind me asking, was that your personal experience, in branch meetings and so on?
“you can trust me because I havebetrayed my own supporters to get here.”
That’s brilliant. Sums up New Labour and its obsession with positioning, triangulation and PR. In this respect, Starmer is no different from Blair.
Labour’s ‘natural supporters’ under Corbyn were the cranks and the communists. Funnily enough, the country rejected them, massively in 2019. They’ve been expelled or left. Good riddance. They are not welcome in Labour.
George Venning
9 months ago
Nice to see Michael Crick actually say this.
.
It’s all so tiring this faux hard-headed nonsense from the Labour right.
.
The same strategy every time, “we must tack to the centre to win power” and that means being seen to purge the left.
.
The problem is not only that, in doing so, they demoralise their natural supporters, whom they can only keep on board by saying that they’ll be better in power than the Tories. But they fail to win Tory support anyway because the Tories tell their supporters that all the rightward movement made in opposition will disappear as soon as they win power and that they will immmediately become Stalin.
.
So Labour supporters are being insulted and then asked to vote for a pig in a poke, whilst swing voters are essentially being told, “you can trust me because I havebetrayed my own supporters to get here.” It’s a magnificently terrible platform to stand on.
.
Obviously, the Graun is all in on this. Polly Toynbee and Martin Kettle have both written articles about how electoral tactics are the only thing that count and portraying all this as strategic genius when it’s actually the same rope-a-dope that Neil Kinnock fell for in 1992.
.
The media cheered whenever he went after the left and called him statesmanlike. But, when the election came round, they turned on him anyway and squeaked the Tories another five years.
Last edited 9 months ago by George Venning
Adrian Smith
9 months ago
Starmer is in favour of every form of diversity, except diversity of thought and opinion.
His victory in 2024 GE looks inevitable, as does his demise before or during the 2029 election. However I fear the damage he will do to us all in those 5 years will be with us for a very longtime to come as there does not seem to be a decent alternative who could credibly win power through the current electoral system.
Adrian Smith
9 months ago
Starmer is in favour of every form of diversity, except diversity of thought and opinion.
His victory in 2024 GE looks inevitable, as does his demise before or during the 2029 election. However I fear the damage he will do to us all in those 5 years will be with us for a very longtime to come as there does not seem to be a decent alternative who could credibly win power through the current electoral system.
David McKee
9 months ago
Loose ends.
Starmer’s Blair-like modernising of Labour is leaving loose ends, in a way Blair never did.
If, in office, Starmer trips up, no one will want to catch him before he falls.
David McKee
9 months ago
Loose ends.
Starmer’s Blair-like modernising of Labour is leaving loose ends, in a way Blair never did.
If, in office, Starmer trips up, no one will want to catch him before he falls.
Caroline Watson
9 months ago
Labour in the North East is no longer run by Durham miners and Wallsend shipbuilders. That’s the problem. It’s run by blue haired, identity politics supporting teachers from Heaton and their retired, eco-warrior equivalents in Hexham. Momentum Hexham is a blatantly anti semitic organisation that seceded from mainstream Momentum because Jon Lansman was Jewish.
Labour politics in the North East is factional and corrupt. Northumberland County Council, notionally Tory controlled, is still being investigated because of the corrupt practices of its Labour-supporting senior officers under the previous Labour administration. Jamie Driscoll has never been been forgiven for winning the mayoralty, with Momentum support, against the Blairite former leader of Newcastle City Council, Nick Forbes, who was subsequently de-selected from his council seat. His exclusion from this election will have originated in the North East, not Starmer’s office.
Most people in the North East are profoundly cynical about local government and don’t want a Mayor at all. Many will be very amused when Labour splits its vote and the Tory comes through the middle!
What do you expect?
Didn’t T Dan Smith*aka “Mr Newcastle”, set the standard that has since been slavishly followed?
(* 1915-1993.)
Last edited 9 months ago by Charles Stanhope
Caroline Watson
9 months ago
Labour in the North East is no longer run by Durham miners and Wallsend shipbuilders. That’s the problem. It’s run by blue haired, identity politics supporting teachers from Heaton and their retired, eco-warrior equivalents in Hexham. Momentum Hexham is a blatantly anti semitic organisation that seceded from mainstream Momentum because Jon Lansman was Jewish.
Labour politics in the North East is factional and corrupt. Northumberland County Council, notionally Tory controlled, is still being investigated because of the corrupt practices of its Labour-supporting senior officers under the previous Labour administration. Jamie Driscoll has never been been forgiven for winning the mayoralty, with Momentum support, against the Blairite former leader of Newcastle City Council, Nick Forbes, who was subsequently de-selected from his council seat. His exclusion from this election will have originated in the North East, not Starmer’s office.
Most people in the North East are profoundly cynical about local government and don’t want a Mayor at all. Many will be very amused when Labour splits its vote and the Tory comes through the middle!
Anne Torr
9 months ago
The Labour candidate is an unknown quantity. She may have been the Police Commissioner but she talks in soundbites for everything. It is full of pieties and promises but nothing substantive. Her working background is never divulged so we know nothing of her experience to do this job – I suspect she has none. Labour in pushing her are really taking the pee.
Anne Torr
9 months ago
The Labour candidate is an unknown quantity. She may have been the Police Commissioner but she talks in soundbites for everything. It is full of pieties and promises but nothing substantive. Her working background is never divulged so we know nothing of her experience to do this job – I suspect she has none. Labour in pushing her are really taking the pee.
David Lindsay
9 months ago
In its first two days, Jamie Driscoll’s crowdfunder has raised more than £100,000. Kim who? As Jamie’s supporters, First Past the Post is our dream come true. To put the belt and braces on it, then the Greens and the Left parties should refrain from standing against him. But he has always been highly likely to top what equated to the first round of a preferential election. Kim McGuinness could quite conceivably come third. For Labour. In the North East. A few months before the General Election.
You will split the Labour vote and the Tory will come through the middle. Most people won’t vote, and those who will are those who are sick of Labour factionalism and corruption going back decades in the North East, and sick of the road closures and identity politics posturing of Newcastle City Council.
What do you mean, “split the Labour vote”? A political party does not own votes, and in any case who is going to vote for Jamie Driscoll who might otherwise have voted for adherence to the Conservatives’ tax and spending proposals, for the retention of the two-child benefit cap, for even higher real terms cuts to public sector pay, against any increase in statutory sick pay, and against the renationalisation of the railways or the utilities?
The North East’s large Conservative minority has always known that its candidate was going to come second, but this is the chance to put Labour’s in third place. Months before the General Election, a failure to win the Mayoralty that covered Northumberland, Newcastle, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Sunderland, Gateshead and County Durham would be devastating for the Labour Party. Bring it on.
What do you mean, “split the Labour vote”? A political party does not own votes, and in any case who is going to vote for Jamie Driscoll who might otherwise have voted for adherence to the Conservatives’ tax and spending proposals, for the retention of the two-child benefit cap, for even higher real terms cuts to public sector pay, against any increase in statutory sick pay, and against the renationalisation of the railways or the utilities?
The North East’s large Conservative minority has always known that its candidate was going to come second, but this is the chance to put Labour’s in third place. Months before the General Election, a failure to win the Mayoralty that covered Northumberland, Newcastle, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Sunderland, Gateshead and County Durham would be devastating for the Labour Party. Bring it on.
You will split the Labour vote and the Tory will come through the middle. Most people won’t vote, and those who will are those who are sick of Labour factionalism and corruption going back decades in the North East, and sick of the road closures and identity politics posturing of Newcastle City Council.
David Lindsay
9 months ago
In its first two days, Jamie Driscoll’s crowdfunder has raised more than £100,000. Kim who? As Jamie’s supporters, First Past the Post is our dream come true. To put the belt and braces on it, then the Greens and the Left parties should refrain from standing against him. But he has always been highly likely to top what equated to the first round of a preferential election. Kim McGuinness could quite conceivably come third. For Labour. In the North East. A few months before the General Election.
Christopher Barclay
9 months ago
Starmer is already fighting the 2029 election. Few people in the Labour Party understand how difficult the five years after 2024 will be.
Christopher Barclay
9 months ago
Starmer is already fighting the 2029 election. Few people in the Labour Party understand how difficult the five years after 2024 will be.
Dougie Undersub
9 months ago
Crick’s devotion to Attlee is misplaced. It may have taken nigh on 70 years but the chickens of his NHS and welfare state have surely come home to roost.
Dougie Undersub
9 months ago
Crick’s devotion to Attlee is misplaced. It may have taken nigh on 70 years but the chickens of his NHS and welfare state have surely come home to roost.
Matty D
9 months ago
I like Michael Crick, but this is take on Starmer is absolute rubbish. A much better comparison is with Neil Kinnock, who had to ruthlessly purge Labour of the far left after the chaos of Michael Foot, and then Militant in Liverpool. Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting. The Corbynistas and their student politics (as so memorably put by Alan Johnson to Jon Lansman in the 2019 ITV results programme) have been expelled. Yes, he has been ruthless. Possibly he has gone too far in places. But it had to be done.
‘Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting.’
Sorry, this is most certainly absolute rubbish. Starmer has done no such thing. The Tories have imploded and he has benefited from that massively. He is perhaps the luckiest Opposition leader in British democratic history. He has no charisma, no force of personality, no public recognition, he has received hardly any serious scrutiny, and he leads arguably the worst government-in-waiting that there has ever been. How many Labour policies could a voting member of the public actually name? I would wager none whatsoever.
‘Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting.’
Sorry, this is most certainly absolute rubbish. Starmer has done no such thing. The Tories have imploded and he has benefited from that massively. He is perhaps the luckiest Opposition leader in British democratic history. He has no charisma, no force of personality, no public recognition, he has received hardly any serious scrutiny, and he leads arguably the worst government-in-waiting that there has ever been. How many Labour policies could a voting member of the public actually name? I would wager none whatsoever.
Matty D
9 months ago
I like Michael Crick, but this is take on Starmer is absolute rubbish. A much better comparison is with Neil Kinnock, who had to ruthlessly purge Labour of the far left after the chaos of Michael Foot, and then Militant in Liverpool. Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting. The Corbynistas and their student politics (as so memorably put by Alan Johnson to Jon Lansman in the 2019 ITV results programme) have been expelled. Yes, he has been ruthless. Possibly he has gone too far in places. But it had to be done.
It just all seems to be yesterday’s news nowadays. Both Labour and Conservative, and the establishment generally, is rotten and corrupt and they have no intention of addressing their own malignant nature. Isn’t it us against them again, just with different betrayals for the working classes to try and address? Tbh it’s fait accompli -the class war has been won by eliminating the nation and replacing it with “values”. Healthy self-interest has been stigmatised and vilified, resistance has been made futile.
I completely agree with you, however there is a glimmer of hope!
The other day, after much trouble from that abomination otherwise known as the House of Lords, the Government finally passed the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill.
This should mean the end of vexatious prosecutions being brought against former members of the British Army who had the inestimable joy of serving in Northern Ireland during the ludicrously named “troubles “. (1969-1997.)
However it will be TOO late for Soldier F, who is currently undergoing the ‘Show Trial’ of the century for his alleged participation in an incident in early 1972, that is sometimes referred to as either ‘Bloody Sunday’ or ‘Good Sunday’ depending on one’s point of view.
I have already suggested to you, Charles, without response on your part (very uncharacteristically), that the only rational explanation for the British Army’s behaviour in Ballymurphy ,and then in Derry, was that they carried out an administrative massacre in both cases.
Administrative massacres are routine in British military history.
Amritsar is perhaps the most disgusting.
The administrative massacres could only have been authorised by Ted Heath.
They did not work! They prolonged the war by nearly thirty years.
Niall,
I am so sorry I completely missed your epistle! It must be something to do with old age!
However I’m afraid I must disagree. I wouldn’t describe either Ballymurphy or Londonderry as massacres, the number of rounds fired and actual fatalities inflicted was infinitesimal by usual standards. Also by late 1971 Northern Ireland was in a state of war and over 60 members of the Security Services had already been killed. Retribution was bound to follow, and some would say that when it came it was far too timid! Thus the ‘enemy’ were encouraged and the ‘war’ continued for a further 25 years.*
Even Amritsar has been grossly overhyped, particularly by that arch hypocrite, but consummate politician, one Winston Spencer Churchill.
As to Edward Heath a more worthless ‘waste of rations’ would be hard to imagine. I very much doubt if he authorised any “administrative massacres” as you call them. As I recall Heath’s attitude was:- “Please sort out the Irish, but for God’s sake DONT kill any of them, even if they try to kill you”.
So how should it have gone?
Well that other spineless t**d, otherwise known as Harold Wilson, should have deployed the Army in the autumn of 1968**, a year earlier that he actually did.
Once deployed they should have destroyed the only extant enemy, the Protestant Loyalists hoodlums. The IRA were totally moribund at the time and no threat to man nor beast. Destroying the Protestants would at worst have taken a month and involved killing a maximum of about 500 of them. A quite acceptable level of violence in retrospect.
(* It must be said providing superb ‘live’ training for junior commanders, and a great relief from the boredom of BAOR.)
(** Aden had finished the previous year so there were no other major ‘live’ commitments to distract anyone.)
I hope that answers some of your questions?
Attempted to reply at 23.03 BST, 21.07. 2023, but the censor has intervened. Let’s hope ‘it’ relents.
As at 18.06 BST. 22.07.2023. it has NOT relented.
Therefore I presume ‘it’ is a Fenian sympathiser!
Niall,
I am so sorry I completely missed your epistle! It must be something to do with old age!
However I’m afraid I must disagree. I wouldn’t describe either Ballymurphy or Londonderry as massacres, the number of rounds fired and actual fatalities inflicted was infinitesimal by usual standards. Also by late 1971 Northern Ireland was in a state of war and over 60 members of the Security Services had already been killed. Retribution was bound to follow, and some would say that when it came it was far too timid! Thus the ‘enemy’ were encouraged and the ‘war’ continued for a further 25 years.*
Even Amritsar has been grossly overhyped, particularly by that arch hypocrite, but consummate politician, one Winston Spencer Churchill.
As to Edward Heath a more worthless ‘waste of rations’ would be hard to imagine. I very much doubt if he authorised any “administrative massacres” as you call them. As I recall Heath’s attitude was:- “Please sort out the Irish, but for God’s sake DONT kill any of them, even if they try to kill you”.
So how should it have gone?
Well that other spineless t**d, otherwise known as Harold Wilson, should have deployed the Army in the autumn of 1968**, a year earlier that he actually did.
Once deployed they should have destroyed the only extant enemy, the Protestant Loyalists hoodlums. The IRA were totally moribund at the time and no threat to man nor beast. Destroying the Protestants would at worst have taken a month and involved killing a maximum of about 500 of them. A quite acceptable level of violence in retrospect.
(* It must be said providing superb ‘live’ training for junior commanders, and a great relief from the boredom of BAOR.)
(** Aden had finished the previous year so there were no other major ‘live’ commitments to distract anyone.)
I hope that answers some of your questions?
Attempted to reply at 23.03 BST, 21.07. 2023, but the censor has intervened. Let’s hope ‘it’ relents.
As at 18.06 BST. 22.07.2023. it has NOT relented.
Therefore I presume ‘it’ is a Fenian sympathiser!
I have already suggested to you, Charles, without response on your part (very uncharacteristically), that the only rational explanation for the British Army’s behaviour in Ballymurphy ,and then in Derry, was that they carried out an administrative massacre in both cases.
Administrative massacres are routine in British military history.
Amritsar is perhaps the most disgusting.
The administrative massacres could only have been authorised by Ted Heath.
They did not work! They prolonged the war by nearly thirty years.
I completely agree with you, however there is a glimmer of hope!
The other day, after much trouble from that abomination otherwise known as the House of Lords, the Government finally passed the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill.
This should mean the end of vexatious prosecutions being brought against former members of the British Army who had the inestimable joy of serving in Northern Ireland during the ludicrously named “troubles “. (1969-1997.)
However it will be TOO late for Soldier F, who is currently undergoing the ‘Show Trial’ of the century for his alleged participation in an incident in early 1972, that is sometimes referred to as either ‘Bloody Sunday’ or ‘Good Sunday’ depending on one’s point of view.
It just all seems to be yesterday’s news nowadays. Both Labour and Conservative, and the establishment generally, is rotten and corrupt and they have no intention of addressing their own malignant nature. Isn’t it us against them again, just with different betrayals for the working classes to try and address? Tbh it’s fait accompli -the class war has been won by eliminating the nation and replacing it with “values”. Healthy self-interest has been stigmatised and vilified, resistance has been made futile.
Nice to see Michael Crick actually say this.
.
It’s all so tiring this faux hard-headed nonsense from the Labour right.
.
The same strategy every time, “we must tack to the centre to win power” and that means being seen to purge the left.
.
The problem is not only that, in doing so, they demoralise their natural supporters, whom they can only keep on board by saying that they’ll be better in power than the Tories. But they fail to win Tory support anyway because the Tories tell their supporters that all the rightward movement made in opposition will disappear as soon as they win power and that they will immmediately become Stalin.
.
So Labour supporters are being insulted and then asked to vote for a pig in a poke, whilst swing voters are essentially being told, “you can trust me because I have betrayed my own supporters to get here.” It’s a magnificently terrible platform to stand on.
.
Obviously, the Graun is all in on this. Polly Toynbee and Martin Kettle have both written articles about how electoral tactics are the only thing that count and portraying all this as strategic genius when it’s actually the same rope-a-dope that Neil Kinnock fell for in 1992.
.
The media cheered whenever he went after the left and called him statesmanlike. But, when the election came round, they turned on him anyway and squeaked the Tories another five years.
“you can trust me because I have betrayed my own supporters to get here.”
That’s brilliant. Sums up New Labour and its obsession with positioning, triangulation and PR. In this respect, Starmer is no different from Blair.
I’m no great fan of Blair but he he had a recognisable set of beliefs. He thought that good people could do good things with the tools currently available. Capitalism could be tamed, and even war could be an engine of the greater good. And, for all that people called him dishonest, he never lied about who or what he was.
What was his first act as Labour leader? To get rid of Clause 4. I thought that was odd then and I feel that subsequent events have not vindicated him. But it was him self-consciously announcing precisely who he was and what he believed. He ran for the leadership on that platform and won. Fair play.
Starmer… not so much
I’m no great fan of Blair but he he had a recognisable set of beliefs. He thought that good people could do good things with the tools currently available. Capitalism could be tamed, and even war could be an engine of the greater good. And, for all that people called him dishonest, he never lied about who or what he was.
What was his first act as Labour leader? To get rid of Clause 4. I thought that was odd then and I feel that subsequent events have not vindicated him. But it was him self-consciously announcing precisely who he was and what he believed. He ran for the leadership on that platform and won. Fair play.
Starmer… not so much
Labour’s ‘natural supporters’ under Corbyn were the cranks and the communists. Funnily enough, the country rejected them, massively in 2019. They’ve been expelled or left. Good riddance. They are not welcome in Labour.
I don’t think the populist movement in to Labour under Corbyn was exclusively “cranks and communists”, I think it was actually much more than that. Ultimately though, it failed for as many reasons as it started, but it proved that there was a platform for an alternative type of politics. It offered people something other than two shades of Neoliberism.
I believe Labour being a “broad church” will always keep it crippled. However, as long as we keep the FPTP system, there isn’t much chance for smaller parties to make the contribution they deserve.
I’m not a crank or a communist!
I’m sorry if that was your experience. It certainly wasn’t mine.
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Do you mind me asking, was that your personal experience, in branch meetings and so on?
I don’t think the populist movement in to Labour under Corbyn was exclusively “cranks and communists”, I think it was actually much more than that. Ultimately though, it failed for as many reasons as it started, but it proved that there was a platform for an alternative type of politics. It offered people something other than two shades of Neoliberism.
I believe Labour being a “broad church” will always keep it crippled. However, as long as we keep the FPTP system, there isn’t much chance for smaller parties to make the contribution they deserve.
I’m not a crank or a communist!
I’m sorry if that was your experience. It certainly wasn’t mine.
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Do you mind me asking, was that your personal experience, in branch meetings and so on?
“you can trust me because I have betrayed my own supporters to get here.”
That’s brilliant. Sums up New Labour and its obsession with positioning, triangulation and PR. In this respect, Starmer is no different from Blair.
Labour’s ‘natural supporters’ under Corbyn were the cranks and the communists. Funnily enough, the country rejected them, massively in 2019. They’ve been expelled or left. Good riddance. They are not welcome in Labour.
Nice to see Michael Crick actually say this.
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It’s all so tiring this faux hard-headed nonsense from the Labour right.
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The same strategy every time, “we must tack to the centre to win power” and that means being seen to purge the left.
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The problem is not only that, in doing so, they demoralise their natural supporters, whom they can only keep on board by saying that they’ll be better in power than the Tories. But they fail to win Tory support anyway because the Tories tell their supporters that all the rightward movement made in opposition will disappear as soon as they win power and that they will immmediately become Stalin.
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So Labour supporters are being insulted and then asked to vote for a pig in a poke, whilst swing voters are essentially being told, “you can trust me because I have betrayed my own supporters to get here.” It’s a magnificently terrible platform to stand on.
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Obviously, the Graun is all in on this. Polly Toynbee and Martin Kettle have both written articles about how electoral tactics are the only thing that count and portraying all this as strategic genius when it’s actually the same rope-a-dope that Neil Kinnock fell for in 1992.
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The media cheered whenever he went after the left and called him statesmanlike. But, when the election came round, they turned on him anyway and squeaked the Tories another five years.
Starmer is in favour of every form of diversity, except diversity of thought and opinion.
His victory in 2024 GE looks inevitable, as does his demise before or during the 2029 election. However I fear the damage he will do to us all in those 5 years will be with us for a very longtime to come as there does not seem to be a decent alternative who could credibly win power through the current electoral system.
Starmer is in favour of every form of diversity, except diversity of thought and opinion.
His victory in 2024 GE looks inevitable, as does his demise before or during the 2029 election. However I fear the damage he will do to us all in those 5 years will be with us for a very longtime to come as there does not seem to be a decent alternative who could credibly win power through the current electoral system.
Loose ends.
Starmer’s Blair-like modernising of Labour is leaving loose ends, in a way Blair never did.
If, in office, Starmer trips up, no one will want to catch him before he falls.
Loose ends.
Starmer’s Blair-like modernising of Labour is leaving loose ends, in a way Blair never did.
If, in office, Starmer trips up, no one will want to catch him before he falls.
Labour in the North East is no longer run by Durham miners and Wallsend shipbuilders. That’s the problem. It’s run by blue haired, identity politics supporting teachers from Heaton and their retired, eco-warrior equivalents in Hexham. Momentum Hexham is a blatantly anti semitic organisation that seceded from mainstream Momentum because Jon Lansman was Jewish.
Labour politics in the North East is factional and corrupt. Northumberland County Council, notionally Tory controlled, is still being investigated because of the corrupt practices of its Labour-supporting senior officers under the previous Labour administration. Jamie Driscoll has never been been forgiven for winning the mayoralty, with Momentum support, against the Blairite former leader of Newcastle City Council, Nick Forbes, who was subsequently de-selected from his council seat. His exclusion from this election will have originated in the North East, not Starmer’s office.
Most people in the North East are profoundly cynical about local government and don’t want a Mayor at all. Many will be very amused when Labour splits its vote and the Tory comes through the middle!
What do you expect?
Didn’t T Dan Smith*aka “Mr Newcastle”, set the standard that has since been slavishly followed?
(* 1915-1993.)
What do you expect?
Didn’t T Dan Smith*aka “Mr Newcastle”, set the standard that has since been slavishly followed?
(* 1915-1993.)
Labour in the North East is no longer run by Durham miners and Wallsend shipbuilders. That’s the problem. It’s run by blue haired, identity politics supporting teachers from Heaton and their retired, eco-warrior equivalents in Hexham. Momentum Hexham is a blatantly anti semitic organisation that seceded from mainstream Momentum because Jon Lansman was Jewish.
Labour politics in the North East is factional and corrupt. Northumberland County Council, notionally Tory controlled, is still being investigated because of the corrupt practices of its Labour-supporting senior officers under the previous Labour administration. Jamie Driscoll has never been been forgiven for winning the mayoralty, with Momentum support, against the Blairite former leader of Newcastle City Council, Nick Forbes, who was subsequently de-selected from his council seat. His exclusion from this election will have originated in the North East, not Starmer’s office.
Most people in the North East are profoundly cynical about local government and don’t want a Mayor at all. Many will be very amused when Labour splits its vote and the Tory comes through the middle!
The Labour candidate is an unknown quantity. She may have been the Police Commissioner but she talks in soundbites for everything. It is full of pieties and promises but nothing substantive. Her working background is never divulged so we know nothing of her experience to do this job – I suspect she has none. Labour in pushing her are really taking the pee.
The Labour candidate is an unknown quantity. She may have been the Police Commissioner but she talks in soundbites for everything. It is full of pieties and promises but nothing substantive. Her working background is never divulged so we know nothing of her experience to do this job – I suspect she has none. Labour in pushing her are really taking the pee.
In its first two days, Jamie Driscoll’s crowdfunder has raised more than £100,000. Kim who? As Jamie’s supporters, First Past the Post is our dream come true. To put the belt and braces on it, then the Greens and the Left parties should refrain from standing against him. But he has always been highly likely to top what equated to the first round of a preferential election. Kim McGuinness could quite conceivably come third. For Labour. In the North East. A few months before the General Election.
You will split the Labour vote and the Tory will come through the middle. Most people won’t vote, and those who will are those who are sick of Labour factionalism and corruption going back decades in the North East, and sick of the road closures and identity politics posturing of Newcastle City Council.
What do you mean, “split the Labour vote”? A political party does not own votes, and in any case who is going to vote for Jamie Driscoll who might otherwise have voted for adherence to the Conservatives’ tax and spending proposals, for the retention of the two-child benefit cap, for even higher real terms cuts to public sector pay, against any increase in statutory sick pay, and against the renationalisation of the railways or the utilities?
The North East’s large Conservative minority has always known that its candidate was going to come second, but this is the chance to put Labour’s in third place. Months before the General Election, a failure to win the Mayoralty that covered Northumberland, Newcastle, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Sunderland, Gateshead and County Durham would be devastating for the Labour Party. Bring it on.
What do you mean, “split the Labour vote”? A political party does not own votes, and in any case who is going to vote for Jamie Driscoll who might otherwise have voted for adherence to the Conservatives’ tax and spending proposals, for the retention of the two-child benefit cap, for even higher real terms cuts to public sector pay, against any increase in statutory sick pay, and against the renationalisation of the railways or the utilities?
The North East’s large Conservative minority has always known that its candidate was going to come second, but this is the chance to put Labour’s in third place. Months before the General Election, a failure to win the Mayoralty that covered Northumberland, Newcastle, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Sunderland, Gateshead and County Durham would be devastating for the Labour Party. Bring it on.
You will split the Labour vote and the Tory will come through the middle. Most people won’t vote, and those who will are those who are sick of Labour factionalism and corruption going back decades in the North East, and sick of the road closures and identity politics posturing of Newcastle City Council.
In its first two days, Jamie Driscoll’s crowdfunder has raised more than £100,000. Kim who? As Jamie’s supporters, First Past the Post is our dream come true. To put the belt and braces on it, then the Greens and the Left parties should refrain from standing against him. But he has always been highly likely to top what equated to the first round of a preferential election. Kim McGuinness could quite conceivably come third. For Labour. In the North East. A few months before the General Election.
Starmer is already fighting the 2029 election. Few people in the Labour Party understand how difficult the five years after 2024 will be.
Starmer is already fighting the 2029 election. Few people in the Labour Party understand how difficult the five years after 2024 will be.
Crick’s devotion to Attlee is misplaced. It may have taken nigh on 70 years but the chickens of his NHS and welfare state have surely come home to roost.
Crick’s devotion to Attlee is misplaced. It may have taken nigh on 70 years but the chickens of his NHS and welfare state have surely come home to roost.
I like Michael Crick, but this is take on Starmer is absolute rubbish. A much better comparison is with Neil Kinnock, who had to ruthlessly purge Labour of the far left after the chaos of Michael Foot, and then Militant in Liverpool. Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting. The Corbynistas and their student politics (as so memorably put by Alan Johnson to Jon Lansman in the 2019 ITV results programme) have been expelled. Yes, he has been ruthless. Possibly he has gone too far in places. But it had to be done.
‘Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting.’
Sorry, this is most certainly absolute rubbish. Starmer has done no such thing. The Tories have imploded and he has benefited from that massively. He is perhaps the luckiest Opposition leader in British democratic history. He has no charisma, no force of personality, no public recognition, he has received hardly any serious scrutiny, and he leads arguably the worst government-in-waiting that there has ever been. How many Labour policies could a voting member of the public actually name? I would wager none whatsoever.
Starmer takes a Marxist approach to principles, and I don’t mean Karl.
“How many Labour policies could a voting member of the public actually name?”.
Promote massive Climate hysteria?
Starmer takes a Marxist approach to principles, and I don’t mean Karl.
“How many Labour policies could a voting member of the public actually name?”.
Promote massive Climate hysteria?
‘Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting.’
Sorry, this is most certainly absolute rubbish. Starmer has done no such thing. The Tories have imploded and he has benefited from that massively. He is perhaps the luckiest Opposition leader in British democratic history. He has no charisma, no force of personality, no public recognition, he has received hardly any serious scrutiny, and he leads arguably the worst government-in-waiting that there has ever been. How many Labour policies could a voting member of the public actually name? I would wager none whatsoever.
I like Michael Crick, but this is take on Starmer is absolute rubbish. A much better comparison is with Neil Kinnock, who had to ruthlessly purge Labour of the far left after the chaos of Michael Foot, and then Militant in Liverpool. Starmer has single handedly rescued Labour and re-established it as prospective Government in waiting. The Corbynistas and their student politics (as so memorably put by Alan Johnson to Jon Lansman in the 2019 ITV results programme) have been expelled. Yes, he has been ruthless. Possibly he has gone too far in places. But it had to be done.