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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Why on earth use a quote from Mr James Hawes that you know to be complete nonsense? eg: “conquered the entire country after a single major battle in 1066”?

Surely you haven’t forgotten the Battle of Stamford Bridge where Harald Hardrada and his Norwegian/Viking thugs were completely destroyed by King Harold after an epic approach march covering 185 miles in four days?

Many maintain that had Harold NOT been distracted by the Norwegians he would have triumphed over the William the Bast*rd at Hastings 19 days later.

ps: Stamford Bridge 25th September, Hastings 14th October.

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago

I think that the author clearly means that William had to fight only one major battle before conquering England, which is indeed the case; he is not saying that there was only one in 1066. It is readily accepted that the forced march south from York was a major factor in Harold’s defeat at Battle.

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago
Reply to  Tony Price

PS: sorry most of England – Cornwall held out a bit longer!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago
Reply to  Tony Price

For an essay that has Vikings and Northumbrians in the caption it was a very odd omission was is not?

Incidentally what about the ‘Harrowing of the North’,? A far more brutal and prolonged affair than either Stamford Bridge or Hastings.

Isn’t Cornwall littered with Norman Shell Keeps, Restormel, Trematon, Launceston?

ps. Is Cornwall really England anyway?

Last edited 7 months ago by Charles Stanhope
Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago

Good point re Cornwall but Restormel and Launceston are really border posts, and Trematon a bit later and not very successful. Norman occupation rather more in name down there than heavy.

No true Kernow native would admit to being English above Cornish!

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago
Reply to  Tony Price

oops – Restormel the later outpost, Trmaton the border post!

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago
Reply to  Tony Price

oops – Restormel the later outpost, Trmaton the border post!

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago

Good point re Cornwall but Restormel and Launceston are really border posts, and Trematon a bit later and not very successful. Norman occupation rather more in name down there than heavy.

No true Kernow native would admit to being English above Cornish!

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago
Reply to  Tony Price

PS: sorry most of England – Cornwall held out a bit longer!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago
Reply to  Tony Price

For an essay that has Vikings and Northumbrians in the caption it was a very odd omission was is not?

Incidentally what about the ‘Harrowing of the North’,? A far more brutal and prolonged affair than either Stamford Bridge or Hastings.

Isn’t Cornwall littered with Norman Shell Keeps, Restormel, Trematon, Launceston?

ps. Is Cornwall really England anyway?

Last edited 7 months ago by Charles Stanhope
Peter Beard
Peter Beard
7 months ago

Charles, I detect raw emotion in your comment. In your opinion was the Battle of Hastings a victory or a defeat?

David Wildgoose
David Wildgoose
7 months ago
Reply to  Peter Beard

It was a defeat, to the worst mercenary scum of Europe.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago
Reply to  Peter Beard

A defeat.

David Wildgoose
David Wildgoose
7 months ago
Reply to  Peter Beard

It was a defeat, to the worst mercenary scum of Europe.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago
Reply to  Peter Beard

A defeat.

Tony Price
Tony Price
7 months ago

I think that the author clearly means that William had to fight only one major battle before conquering England, which is indeed the case; he is not saying that there was only one in 1066. It is readily accepted that the forced march south from York was a major factor in Harold’s defeat at Battle.

Peter Beard
Peter Beard
7 months ago

Charles, I detect raw emotion in your comment. In your opinion was the Battle of Hastings a victory or a defeat?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Why on earth use a quote from Mr James Hawes that you know to be complete nonsense? eg: “conquered the entire country after a single major battle in 1066”?

Surely you haven’t forgotten the Battle of Stamford Bridge where Harald Hardrada and his Norwegian/Viking thugs were completely destroyed by King Harold after an epic approach march covering 185 miles in four days?

Many maintain that had Harold NOT been distracted by the Norwegians he would have triumphed over the William the Bast*rd at Hastings 19 days later.

ps: Stamford Bridge 25th September, Hastings 14th October.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
7 months ago

Some fascinating insights into the ancient heritage of those parts of the UK generally referred to as “the North” and how the influence of ties with Scandanavia linger to this day, even to the western fringes of our islands. One key point i hadn’t seen put forward before was how the Viking raids may have been made in revenge for attempts to convert them to Christianity. The author might also have made reference to how William of Normandy laid waste to the north after 1066, in order to prevent any resistance from taking hold. It makes one wonder how subconscious folk-memory continues to influence our affairs, perhaps even in terms of support for Brexit. The point is well-made about the relative wealth of the UK being more or less attractive to those living far from the south-eastern metropolis.

As a native of Lancashire, i’ve always felt more “at home” when travelling further north than south, including my time as a student in London which somehow felt more alien. Things (in more than one sense, it appears) really are different “oop North”.

Last edited 7 months ago by Steve Murray
Richard Ross
Richard Ross
7 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Not sure the author’s comment about Viking raids being in revenge for Christian missionary efforts qualifies as “fascinating insight”. More like complete conjecture. Part of a wide effort (which also includes The Last Kingdom and Vikings) to cast Christianity as the fun-killing villain that kept the Middle Ages Dark.

Richard Ross
Richard Ross
7 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Not sure the author’s comment about Viking raids being in revenge for Christian missionary efforts qualifies as “fascinating insight”. More like complete conjecture. Part of a wide effort (which also includes The Last Kingdom and Vikings) to cast Christianity as the fun-killing villain that kept the Middle Ages Dark.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
7 months ago

Some fascinating insights into the ancient heritage of those parts of the UK generally referred to as “the North” and how the influence of ties with Scandanavia linger to this day, even to the western fringes of our islands. One key point i hadn’t seen put forward before was how the Viking raids may have been made in revenge for attempts to convert them to Christianity. The author might also have made reference to how William of Normandy laid waste to the north after 1066, in order to prevent any resistance from taking hold. It makes one wonder how subconscious folk-memory continues to influence our affairs, perhaps even in terms of support for Brexit. The point is well-made about the relative wealth of the UK being more or less attractive to those living far from the south-eastern metropolis.

As a native of Lancashire, i’ve always felt more “at home” when travelling further north than south, including my time as a student in London which somehow felt more alien. Things (in more than one sense, it appears) really are different “oop North”.

Last edited 7 months ago by Steve Murray
Perry de Havilland
Perry de Havilland
7 months ago

“The difference now is that, unlike modern Britain, Norway is happy, successful, and stinking rich.”

Also the most boring place on the planet. I’d sooner jump in North Sea than live anywhere in Scandinavia again 😀

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Wasn’t it Norway that recently produced that lunatic killer who massacred all those children at some Summer Camp?

One of the worst mass killings in Europe for many a year, and far more terrible than anything that has ever happened in dear old ‘Blighty’.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Wasn’t it Norway that recently produced that lunatic killer who massacred all those children at some Summer Camp?

One of the worst mass killings in Europe for many a year, and far more terrible than anything that has ever happened in dear old ‘Blighty’.

Perry de Havilland
Perry de Havilland
7 months ago

“The difference now is that, unlike modern Britain, Norway is happy, successful, and stinking rich.”

Also the most boring place on the planet. I’d sooner jump in North Sea than live anywhere in Scandinavia again 😀

Tom Scott
Tom Scott
7 months ago

Thanks for an interesting read Sam.

As a Geordie of a certain age I do enjoy any historical articles about my beloved region.

For the record however, ‘I have never ‘longed to be a Viking’.

Also, for the uninitiated readers out there, Northumbrians are not Geordies.

Tom Scott
Tom Scott
7 months ago

Thanks for an interesting read Sam.

As a Geordie of a certain age I do enjoy any historical articles about my beloved region.

For the record however, ‘I have never ‘longed to be a Viking’.

Also, for the uninitiated readers out there, Northumbrians are not Geordies.

Jonathan Story
Jonathan Story
7 months ago

Whitehall is not interested in the UK. MPs have little idea what it is to represent Great Britain. Unless the country is defended and promoted as a unit, not will fall apart.

Jonathan Story
Jonathan Story
7 months ago

Whitehall is not interested in the UK. MPs have little idea what it is to represent Great Britain. Unless the country is defended and promoted as a unit, not will fall apart.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
7 months ago

Lots of them want to be Coldstreamers…

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Time to reform the 2nd Battalion or even the 3rd?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Time to reform the 2nd Battalion or even the 3rd?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
7 months ago

Lots of them want to be Coldstreamers…

Tim Scott
Tim Scott
7 months ago

And don’t forget the Løgting (Law-Thing)- the Faroese national assembly which still operates.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Error.

Last edited 7 months ago by Charles Stanhope
Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
7 months ago

Yes!

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
7 months ago

Yes!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago

Error.

Last edited 7 months ago by Charles Stanhope