Yes, and although Zuck has been training fairly intensively in MMA I believe, Musk is quite a bit larger than him, and there’s a reason there are weight classes in martial arts.
Could be an interesting spectacle if it ever happens (which I doubt).
Yes, and although Zuck has been training fairly intensively in MMA I believe, Musk is quite a bit larger than him, and there’s a reason there are weight classes in martial arts.
Could be an interesting spectacle if it ever happens (which I doubt).
Lesley van Reenen
9 months ago
Musk is a lot older than Zuckerberg so I think it would be a stupid decision for him. Plus we need Musks’s mind. Suckerberg not so much.
Ian McKinney
9 months ago
Isn’t it just the same as the move towards tanned skin being attractive when foreign travel was the preserve of the rich?
Proper training is something only an athlete or a very wealthy person has the time to do.
This is just another status signal.
Ian McKinney
9 months ago
Isn’t it just the same as the move towards tanned skin being attractive when foreign travel was the preserve of the rich?
Proper training is something only an athlete or a very wealthy person has the time to do.
This is just another status signal.
Mark HumanMode
9 months ago
You’ve missed a very important but related dimension true across many Western men in their late 30s/40s, particularly white collar knowledge workers; the search for purpose and manhood they fear has shriveled sat in front of a computer. It happened to me. Boxing / Fighting – real boxing – not city gym pretence – reconnects you with guys and cultures you may not have connected with for a long time. There’s nothing to compare with the excitement of the first time you’re punched in the face, and then, inevitably much later, when you evade and serve it back. You know again that you’re alive and engaged with the world. I highly recommend it.
I feel the same about bouldering. Nothing like hanging off a wall by two fingers without any harness to focus the mind and feel the rush of life in your veins. It all feels so real, so immediate – and very human.
And you get awesome arms and shoulders too, so a win all round.
I feel the same about bouldering. Nothing like hanging off a wall by two fingers without any harness to focus the mind and feel the rush of life in your veins. It all feels so real, so immediate – and very human.
And you get awesome arms and shoulders too, so a win all round.
Last edited 9 months ago by Katharine Eyre
Mark HumanMode
9 months ago
You’ve missed a very important but related dimension true across many Western men in their late 30s/40s, particularly white collar knowledge workers; the search for purpose and manhood they fear has shriveled sat in front of a computer. It happened to me. Boxing / Fighting – real boxing – not city gym pretence – reconnects you with guys and cultures you may not have connected with for a long time. There’s nothing to compare with the excitement of the first time you’re punched in the face, and then, inevitably much later, when you evade and serve it back. You know again that you’re alive and engaged with the world. I highly recommend it.
Steve Murray
9 months ago
“…high-profile figures from the digital realm have been donning boxing gloves and stepping into the ring, to square off in physical matches. This isn’t the scripted amateur wrestling of the past, as in WrestleMania’s “Battle of the Billionaires”. These are real, bare-knuckle brawls…”
Bare-knuckle brawls with boxing gloves? Or just hype that allows the author to miss this contradiction? Some interesting points are being made about masculinity, but it also made me wonder how female tech entrepreneurs are meant to engage in this farce. Or maybe that’s also the point.
Disclaimer: this comment was made without the permission of N Satori, for which i profoundly apologise.
Steve Murray
9 months ago
“…high-profile figures from the digital realm have been donning boxing gloves and stepping into the ring, to square off in physical matches. This isn’t the scripted amateur wrestling of the past, as in WrestleMania’s “Battle of the Billionaires”. These are real, bare-knuckle brawls…”
Bare-knuckle brawls with boxing gloves? Or just hype that allows the author to miss this contradiction? Some interesting points are being made about masculinity, but it also made me wonder how female tech entrepreneurs are meant to engage in this farce. Or maybe that’s also the point.
Disclaimer: this comment was made without the permission of N Satori, for which i profoundly apologise.
Charles Hedges
9 months ago
Boxing was part of the British boys education until 1965 when a woman Labour MP had it removed from state schools.
A Bryant ” Search for Justice ” p6, para 3 ” Boxing was the nursery manliness. A gentleman was expected to be proper man with fists and know to clear a lane of men with his morleys”. In the early 19 th century a gentleman was taught to fight bare knuckle ( included throws), fight with cudgels and swords, shoot and ride to hounds.
p7 ” within the framework of law and property the English rule was that a man should look after himself and have the freedom to do so. ”
Pre WW2 boys would have boxed, played rugby, cricket,various racket sports, swum in cold water and rowed if school was on a river. Wilfred Thesiger DSO won four blues for boxing at Oxford, Paddy Blair Mayne DSO and 3 bars was heavy weight boxer and rugby player.
American writers appear to have problem apprehending that a person may be academically bright and physically tough; why?
What concerns me about this type of article is that it it does not explain the difference between a well regulated boxing match where people wear gloves and a street fight.
Charles Hedges
9 months ago
Boxing was part of the British boys education until 1965 when a woman Labour MP had it removed from state schools.
A Bryant ” Search for Justice ” p6, para 3 ” Boxing was the nursery manliness. A gentleman was expected to be proper man with fists and know to clear a lane of men with his morleys”. In the early 19 th century a gentleman was taught to fight bare knuckle ( included throws), fight with cudgels and swords, shoot and ride to hounds.
p7 ” within the framework of law and property the English rule was that a man should look after himself and have the freedom to do so. ”
Pre WW2 boys would have boxed, played rugby, cricket,various racket sports, swum in cold water and rowed if school was on a river. Wilfred Thesiger DSO won four blues for boxing at Oxford, Paddy Blair Mayne DSO and 3 bars was heavy weight boxer and rugby player.
American writers appear to have problem apprehending that a person may be academically bright and physically tough; why?
What concerns me about this type of article is that it it does not explain the difference between a well regulated boxing match where people wear gloves and a street fight.
Katharine Eyre
9 months ago
I’m sorry, I didn’t read the article. I am just here to say that this Zuckerberg vs. Musk stunt is the saddest and stupidest thing to have been burped out of our fast-declining Western civilisation for a long, long time. And it summarises that decline perfectly.
Two middle-aged white male megageeks who should know better slugging it out over whose social media pltform is best – which is really just a metaphor for a battle over whose ego is biggest.
God help us all.
What’s next? Boris mud-wrestling with Harriet Harman (sorry about that mental image, folks)? Prince Harry interviewing Putin about emotional neglect in childhood? Oh, wait…
While it does seem very odd I have to disagree. I think it is good that some of our elite still actually have some seemingly illogical humanity and might enjoy some exposure to the hard reality of life whether that be by fist or boulder.
While it does seem very odd I have to disagree. I think it is good that some of our elite still actually have some seemingly illogical humanity and might enjoy some exposure to the hard reality of life whether that be by fist or boulder.
Katharine Eyre
9 months ago
I’m sorry, I didn’t read the article. I am just here to say that this Zuckerberg vs. Musk stunt is the saddest and stupidest thing to have been burped out of our fast-declining Western civilisation for a long, long time. And it summarises that decline perfectly.
Two middle-aged white male megageeks who should know better slugging it out over whose social media pltform is best – which is really just a metaphor for a battle over whose ego is biggest.
God help us all.
What’s next? Boris mud-wrestling with Harriet Harman (sorry about that mental image, folks)? Prince Harry interviewing Putin about emotional neglect in childhood? Oh, wait…
Last edited 9 months ago by Katharine Eyre
Peter Johnson
9 months ago
I would literally pay to see Musk and Zuckerberg fight. They are both geeks – but they are also both extremely competitive and motivated. It would be interesting to see whether that would translate into skill in the ring.
If it were geek vs. jock, perhaps yes. But in a disagreement between two geeks, settling it with a fistfight is just weirdly irrelevant.
Peter Johnson
9 months ago
I would literally pay to see Musk and Zuckerberg fight. They are both geeks – but they are also both extremely competitive and motivated. It would be interesting to see whether that would translate into skill in the ring.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
9 months ago
All that would be needed was an old hat pin to puncture his ego….
Nicky Samengo-Turner
9 months ago
All that would be needed was an old hat pin to puncture his ego….
Bret Larson
9 months ago
Any geek worth his calculator understands that technology, read brains, beats brawn, and not just in the fullness of time.
That said, I have been trying to convince the wife for 20 years that I was a jock in school. So far no success though.
Bret Larson
9 months ago
Any geek worth his calculator understands that technology, read brains, beats brawn, and not just in the fullness of time.
That said, I have been trying to convince the wife for 20 years that I was a jock in school. So far no success though.
Paul M
9 months ago
We may be overthinking things a bit. This spectacle reminds me of a lot, if not most, of the men I’m around at this point in my life. I’m seeing almost *everyone* succumb to some type of mid-life crisis. It is almost as if all of my acquaintances are following some type of late-40s insecurity cookbook: buy large, loud, very expensive truck or “muscle” car (even though there was nothing wrong with the one you just bought 2-4 years ago), start lifting heavy/popping protein and aminos and all sorts of supplements (without any consideration as to long-term health effects of any of this activity), file for a divorce. It is really sad to watch.
Paul M
9 months ago
We may be overthinking things a bit. This spectacle reminds me of a lot, if not most, of the men I’m around at this point in my life. I’m seeing almost *everyone* succumb to some type of mid-life crisis. It is almost as if all of my acquaintances are following some type of late-40s insecurity cookbook: buy large, loud, very expensive truck or “muscle” car (even though there was nothing wrong with the one you just bought 2-4 years ago), start lifting heavy/popping protein and aminos and all sorts of supplements (without any consideration as to long-term health effects of any of this activity), file for a divorce. It is really sad to watch.
Emre S
9 months ago
The author over-intellectualises the topic greatly and unnecessarily in my view. A physical threat is one of the most primeval things in human life. Fear and domination are some of the most fundamental things living beings experience. These billionaires, having tried most other things, are looking for ways to get new thrills. What better way than to conquer your primeval fears? Dominating a peer in a primeval domain in front of millions has to be one of the biggest thrills these men can chase. I completely understand its draw.
Michael Gibson
9 months ago
Somehow I doubt their respective insurers will allow it…
Musk is a lot older than Zuckerberg so I think it would be a stupid decision for him. Plus we need Musks’s mind. Suckerberg not so much.
Yes, and although Zuck has been training fairly intensively in MMA I believe, Musk is quite a bit larger than him, and there’s a reason there are weight classes in martial arts.
Could be an interesting spectacle if it ever happens (which I doubt).
Yes, and although Zuck has been training fairly intensively in MMA I believe, Musk is quite a bit larger than him, and there’s a reason there are weight classes in martial arts.
Could be an interesting spectacle if it ever happens (which I doubt).
Musk is a lot older than Zuckerberg so I think it would be a stupid decision for him. Plus we need Musks’s mind. Suckerberg not so much.
Isn’t it just the same as the move towards tanned skin being attractive when foreign travel was the preserve of the rich?
Proper training is something only an athlete or a very wealthy person has the time to do.
This is just another status signal.
Isn’t it just the same as the move towards tanned skin being attractive when foreign travel was the preserve of the rich?
Proper training is something only an athlete or a very wealthy person has the time to do.
This is just another status signal.
You’ve missed a very important but related dimension true across many Western men in their late 30s/40s, particularly white collar knowledge workers; the search for purpose and manhood they fear has shriveled sat in front of a computer. It happened to me. Boxing / Fighting – real boxing – not city gym pretence – reconnects you with guys and cultures you may not have connected with for a long time. There’s nothing to compare with the excitement of the first time you’re punched in the face, and then, inevitably much later, when you evade and serve it back. You know again that you’re alive and engaged with the world. I highly recommend it.
I feel the same about bouldering. Nothing like hanging off a wall by two fingers without any harness to focus the mind and feel the rush of life in your veins. It all feels so real, so immediate – and very human.
And you get awesome arms and shoulders too, so a win all round.
I feel the same about bouldering. Nothing like hanging off a wall by two fingers without any harness to focus the mind and feel the rush of life in your veins. It all feels so real, so immediate – and very human.
And you get awesome arms and shoulders too, so a win all round.
You’ve missed a very important but related dimension true across many Western men in their late 30s/40s, particularly white collar knowledge workers; the search for purpose and manhood they fear has shriveled sat in front of a computer. It happened to me. Boxing / Fighting – real boxing – not city gym pretence – reconnects you with guys and cultures you may not have connected with for a long time. There’s nothing to compare with the excitement of the first time you’re punched in the face, and then, inevitably much later, when you evade and serve it back. You know again that you’re alive and engaged with the world. I highly recommend it.
“…high-profile figures from the digital realm have been donning boxing gloves and stepping into the ring, to square off in physical matches. This isn’t the scripted amateur wrestling of the past, as in WrestleMania’s “Battle of the Billionaires”. These are real, bare-knuckle brawls…”
Bare-knuckle brawls with boxing gloves? Or just hype that allows the author to miss this contradiction? Some interesting points are being made about masculinity, but it also made me wonder how female tech entrepreneurs are meant to engage in this farce. Or maybe that’s also the point.
Disclaimer: this comment was made without the permission of N Satori, for which i profoundly apologise.
“…high-profile figures from the digital realm have been donning boxing gloves and stepping into the ring, to square off in physical matches. This isn’t the scripted amateur wrestling of the past, as in WrestleMania’s “Battle of the Billionaires”. These are real, bare-knuckle brawls…”
Bare-knuckle brawls with boxing gloves? Or just hype that allows the author to miss this contradiction? Some interesting points are being made about masculinity, but it also made me wonder how female tech entrepreneurs are meant to engage in this farce. Or maybe that’s also the point.
Disclaimer: this comment was made without the permission of N Satori, for which i profoundly apologise.
Boxing was part of the British boys education until 1965 when a woman Labour MP had it removed from state schools.
A Bryant ” Search for Justice ” p6, para 3 ” Boxing was the nursery manliness. A gentleman was expected to be proper man with fists and know to clear a lane of men with his morleys”. In the early 19 th century a gentleman was taught to fight bare knuckle ( included throws), fight with cudgels and swords, shoot and ride to hounds.
p7 ” within the framework of law and property the English rule was that a man should look after himself and have the freedom to do so. ”
Pre WW2 boys would have boxed, played rugby, cricket,various racket sports, swum in cold water and rowed if school was on a river. Wilfred Thesiger DSO won four blues for boxing at Oxford, Paddy Blair Mayne DSO and 3 bars was heavy weight boxer and rugby player.
American writers appear to have problem apprehending that a person may be academically bright and physically tough; why?
What concerns me about this type of article is that it it does not explain the difference between a well regulated boxing match where people wear gloves and a street fight.
Boxing was part of the British boys education until 1965 when a woman Labour MP had it removed from state schools.
A Bryant ” Search for Justice ” p6, para 3 ” Boxing was the nursery manliness. A gentleman was expected to be proper man with fists and know to clear a lane of men with his morleys”. In the early 19 th century a gentleman was taught to fight bare knuckle ( included throws), fight with cudgels and swords, shoot and ride to hounds.
p7 ” within the framework of law and property the English rule was that a man should look after himself and have the freedom to do so. ”
Pre WW2 boys would have boxed, played rugby, cricket,various racket sports, swum in cold water and rowed if school was on a river. Wilfred Thesiger DSO won four blues for boxing at Oxford, Paddy Blair Mayne DSO and 3 bars was heavy weight boxer and rugby player.
American writers appear to have problem apprehending that a person may be academically bright and physically tough; why?
What concerns me about this type of article is that it it does not explain the difference between a well regulated boxing match where people wear gloves and a street fight.
I’m sorry, I didn’t read the article. I am just here to say that this Zuckerberg vs. Musk stunt is the saddest and stupidest thing to have been burped out of our fast-declining Western civilisation for a long, long time. And it summarises that decline perfectly.
Two middle-aged white male megageeks who should know better slugging it out over whose social media pltform is best – which is really just a metaphor for a battle over whose ego is biggest.
God help us all.
What’s next? Boris mud-wrestling with Harriet Harman (sorry about that mental image, folks)? Prince Harry interviewing Putin about emotional neglect in childhood? Oh, wait…
While it does seem very odd I have to disagree. I think it is good that some of our elite still actually have some seemingly illogical humanity and might enjoy some exposure to the hard reality of life whether that be by fist or boulder.
While it does seem very odd I have to disagree. I think it is good that some of our elite still actually have some seemingly illogical humanity and might enjoy some exposure to the hard reality of life whether that be by fist or boulder.
I’m sorry, I didn’t read the article. I am just here to say that this Zuckerberg vs. Musk stunt is the saddest and stupidest thing to have been burped out of our fast-declining Western civilisation for a long, long time. And it summarises that decline perfectly.
Two middle-aged white male megageeks who should know better slugging it out over whose social media pltform is best – which is really just a metaphor for a battle over whose ego is biggest.
God help us all.
What’s next? Boris mud-wrestling with Harriet Harman (sorry about that mental image, folks)? Prince Harry interviewing Putin about emotional neglect in childhood? Oh, wait…
I would literally pay to see Musk and Zuckerberg fight. They are both geeks – but they are also both extremely competitive and motivated. It would be interesting to see whether that would translate into skill in the ring.
I’d pay to see them both get their heads kicked in. Ideally by someone who knows what they’re doing.
If it were geek vs. jock, perhaps yes. But in a disagreement between two geeks, settling it with a fistfight is just weirdly irrelevant.
I’d pay to see them both get their heads kicked in. Ideally by someone who knows what they’re doing.
If it were geek vs. jock, perhaps yes. But in a disagreement between two geeks, settling it with a fistfight is just weirdly irrelevant.
I would literally pay to see Musk and Zuckerberg fight. They are both geeks – but they are also both extremely competitive and motivated. It would be interesting to see whether that would translate into skill in the ring.
All that would be needed was an old hat pin to puncture his ego….
All that would be needed was an old hat pin to puncture his ego….
Any geek worth his calculator understands that technology, read brains, beats brawn, and not just in the fullness of time.
That said, I have been trying to convince the wife for 20 years that I was a jock in school. So far no success though.
Any geek worth his calculator understands that technology, read brains, beats brawn, and not just in the fullness of time.
That said, I have been trying to convince the wife for 20 years that I was a jock in school. So far no success though.
We may be overthinking things a bit. This spectacle reminds me of a lot, if not most, of the men I’m around at this point in my life. I’m seeing almost *everyone* succumb to some type of mid-life crisis. It is almost as if all of my acquaintances are following some type of late-40s insecurity cookbook: buy large, loud, very expensive truck or “muscle” car (even though there was nothing wrong with the one you just bought 2-4 years ago), start lifting heavy/popping protein and aminos and all sorts of supplements (without any consideration as to long-term health effects of any of this activity), file for a divorce. It is really sad to watch.
We may be overthinking things a bit. This spectacle reminds me of a lot, if not most, of the men I’m around at this point in my life. I’m seeing almost *everyone* succumb to some type of mid-life crisis. It is almost as if all of my acquaintances are following some type of late-40s insecurity cookbook: buy large, loud, very expensive truck or “muscle” car (even though there was nothing wrong with the one you just bought 2-4 years ago), start lifting heavy/popping protein and aminos and all sorts of supplements (without any consideration as to long-term health effects of any of this activity), file for a divorce. It is really sad to watch.
The author over-intellectualises the topic greatly and unnecessarily in my view. A physical threat is one of the most primeval things in human life. Fear and domination are some of the most fundamental things living beings experience. These billionaires, having tried most other things, are looking for ways to get new thrills. What better way than to conquer your primeval fears? Dominating a peer in a primeval domain in front of millions has to be one of the biggest thrills these men can chase. I completely understand its draw.
Somehow I doubt their respective insurers will allow it…