If Poland and France can work with Germany, I think Poland can work with Ukraine.
All our nations are guilty of something in the past. But we can only change what’s going on now.
Does that apply to the Israelis and Palestinians?
Or are they ‘the exception to the rule’?
martin logan
9 months ago
If Poland and France can work with Germany, I think Poland can work with Ukraine.
All our nations are guilty of something in the past. But we can only change what’s going on now.
Last edited 9 months ago by martin logan
stephen archer
9 months ago
Prior to the invasion there were between one and two million Ukrainians living and working in Poland, either as permanent residents or temporary for months at a time. As far as I know there were no major social conflicts arising from this, and they seemed to be fairly well integrated. Poland has had a lot of focus on the past over the last 30 years and not just the Wolyn massacres but both countries will have to start looking forward more and working together, as they currently are doing.
stephen archer
9 months ago
Prior to the invasion there were between one and two million Ukrainians living and working in Poland, either as permanent residents or temporary for months at a time. As far as I know there were no major social conflicts arising from this, and they seemed to be fairly well integrated. Poland has had a lot of focus on the past over the last 30 years and not just the Wolyn massacres but both countries will have to start looking forward more and working together, as they currently are doing.
Andrew H
9 months ago
Very illuminating article – thanks for this.
Andrew H
9 months ago
Very illuminating article – thanks for this.
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
Why would Poland forgive? Or even forget?
The Irish have NEVER stopped whining about so called‘Bloody Sunday’* where a mere 13 (later 14) were killed.
(* For some: ‘Good Sunday’.)
Charles Stanhope
9 months ago
Why would Poland forgive? Or even forget?
The Irish have NEVER stopped whining about so called‘Bloody Sunday’* where a mere 13 (later 14) were killed.
(* For some: ‘Good Sunday’.)
Martin Terrell
9 months ago
Very good piece and one that offers a bit of optimism for the future. There was though a great ‘what if’ moment in the Polish-Soviet War when Pilsudski proposed a Polish-Ukranian Commonwealth.
Martin Terrell
9 months ago
Very good piece and one that offers a bit of optimism for the future. There was though a great ‘what if’ moment in the Polish-Soviet War when Pilsudski proposed a Polish-Ukranian Commonwealth.
Jim Bocho
9 months ago
The Poles despise the Russians and the Germans in equal measure. They’re relishing the opportunity US poodle Tony Blair has given them to use NATO and the EU to settle historical scores with Russia. They’re hoping to do the same with Germany.
After I have worked in Poland since 2008 (still do), I’ve realised a big difference. It may be true what you say, but they both despise Russians and have zero respect for them while they despise the Germans but have huge respect for them. Cheers
Probably because Germany is rich while Russia is only resource rich. At the end of the day they want revenge from both and we’re allowing them to use us to get it, even at the risk of nuclear war.
I think the reason for this is deeper, much deeper, and probably goes back to the partitions of Poland. The Germans and Austrians gave the Poles much more freedom. The Russians wanted to destroy the nation to the core. Regardless of both world wars.
Regarding the nuclear narrative, I don’t see any risks from Poland, there’s nothing in history that would support it. It’s clearly a Putin’esque propaganda.
Between 1939 and 1945 Germany’s genocide in Poland resulted in the deaths of 6 million Poles. The German plan was the eventual elimination of all Poles and the Germanization of all of Poland.
You’re not making any sense now. The plan of the Nazis were world domination. If Hitler succeeded with his mythological bomb the first thing he planned was to blow up the whole Britain. Poland was just a tiny bit of his draconian plans. Where are you writing this from?
I’m responding to your claim that the Germans treated the Poles relatively well. It’s an astounding claim. I’ve barely touched on the atrocities committed by Germany on the Poles. It seems history is whitewashed according to prevailing political requirements.
You’re making up that claim. I suggest you read up on the partitions I mentioned. Nothing is being whitewashed neither the annihilation of the British population by the Vikings or the bloodbath Danes did here in Sweden.
On the other hand you seem to laying claims on the perfectly nice and easy going Russians or Soviets. Cheers
You’re making up that claim. I suggest you read up on the partitions I mentioned. Nothing is being whitewashed neither the annihilation of the British population by the Vikings or the bloodbath Danes did here in Sweden.
On the other hand you seem to laying claims on the perfectly nice and easy going Russians or Soviets. Cheers
I’m responding to your claim that the Germans treated the Poles relatively well. It’s an astounding claim. I’ve barely touched on the atrocities committed by Germany on the Poles. It seems history is whitewashed according to prevailing political requirements.
You’re not making any sense now. The plan of the Nazis were world domination. If Hitler succeeded with his mythological bomb the first thing he planned was to blow up the whole Britain. Poland was just a tiny bit of his draconian plans. Where are you writing this from?
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
Between 1939 and 1945 Germany’s genocide in Poland resulted in the deaths of 6 million Poles. The German plan was the eventual elimination of all Poles and the Germanization of all of Poland.
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
I think the reason for this is deeper, much deeper, and probably goes back to the partitions of Poland. The Germans and Austrians gave the Poles much more freedom. The Russians wanted to destroy the nation to the core. Regardless of both world wars.
Regarding the nuclear narrative, I don’t see any risks from Poland, there’s nothing in history that would support it. It’s clearly a Putin’esque propaganda.
Probably because Germany is rich while Russia is only resource rich. At the end of the day they want revenge from both and we’re allowing them to use us to get it, even at the risk of nuclear war.
After I have worked in Poland since 2008 (still do), I’ve realised a big difference. It may be true what you say, but they both despise Russians and have zero respect for them while they despise the Germans but have huge respect for them. Cheers
Jim Bocho
9 months ago
The Poles despise the Russians and the Germans in equal measure. They’re relishing the opportunity US poodle Tony Blair has given them to use NATO and the EU to settle historical scores with Russia. They’re hoping to do the same with Germany.
If Poland and France can work with Germany, I think Poland can work with Ukraine.
All our nations are guilty of something in the past. But we can only change what’s going on now.
Does that apply to the Israelis and Palestinians?
Or are they ‘the exception to the rule’?
Does that apply to the Israelis and Palestinians?
Or are they ‘the exception to the rule’?
If Poland and France can work with Germany, I think Poland can work with Ukraine.
All our nations are guilty of something in the past. But we can only change what’s going on now.
Prior to the invasion there were between one and two million Ukrainians living and working in Poland, either as permanent residents or temporary for months at a time. As far as I know there were no major social conflicts arising from this, and they seemed to be fairly well integrated. Poland has had a lot of focus on the past over the last 30 years and not just the Wolyn massacres but both countries will have to start looking forward more and working together, as they currently are doing.
Prior to the invasion there were between one and two million Ukrainians living and working in Poland, either as permanent residents or temporary for months at a time. As far as I know there were no major social conflicts arising from this, and they seemed to be fairly well integrated. Poland has had a lot of focus on the past over the last 30 years and not just the Wolyn massacres but both countries will have to start looking forward more and working together, as they currently are doing.
Very illuminating article – thanks for this.
Very illuminating article – thanks for this.
Why would Poland forgive? Or even forget?
The Irish have NEVER stopped whining about so called‘Bloody Sunday’* where a mere 13 (later 14) were killed.
(* For some: ‘Good Sunday’.)
Why would Poland forgive? Or even forget?
The Irish have NEVER stopped whining about so called‘Bloody Sunday’* where a mere 13 (later 14) were killed.
(* For some: ‘Good Sunday’.)
Very good piece and one that offers a bit of optimism for the future. There was though a great ‘what if’ moment in the Polish-Soviet War when Pilsudski proposed a Polish-Ukranian Commonwealth.
Very good piece and one that offers a bit of optimism for the future. There was though a great ‘what if’ moment in the Polish-Soviet War when Pilsudski proposed a Polish-Ukranian Commonwealth.
The Poles despise the Russians and the Germans in equal measure. They’re relishing the opportunity US poodle Tony Blair has given them to use NATO and the EU to settle historical scores with Russia. They’re hoping to do the same with Germany.
After I have worked in Poland since 2008 (still do), I’ve realised a big difference. It may be true what you say, but they both despise Russians and have zero respect for them while they despise the Germans but have huge respect for them. Cheers
Probably because Germany is rich while Russia is only resource rich. At the end of the day they want revenge from both and we’re allowing them to use us to get it, even at the risk of nuclear war.
I think the reason for this is deeper, much deeper, and probably goes back to the partitions of Poland. The Germans and Austrians gave the Poles much more freedom. The Russians wanted to destroy the nation to the core. Regardless of both world wars.
Regarding the nuclear narrative, I don’t see any risks from Poland, there’s nothing in history that would support it. It’s clearly a Putin’esque propaganda.
Between 1939 and 1945 Germany’s genocide in Poland resulted in the deaths of 6 million Poles. The German plan was the eventual elimination of all Poles and the Germanization of all of Poland.
You’re not making any sense now. The plan of the Nazis were world domination. If Hitler succeeded with his mythological bomb the first thing he planned was to blow up the whole Britain. Poland was just a tiny bit of his draconian plans. Where are you writing this from?
I’m responding to your claim that the Germans treated the Poles relatively well. It’s an astounding claim. I’ve barely touched on the atrocities committed by Germany on the Poles. It seems history is whitewashed according to prevailing political requirements.
You’re making up that claim. I suggest you read up on the partitions I mentioned. Nothing is being whitewashed neither the annihilation of the British population by the Vikings or the bloodbath Danes did here in Sweden.
On the other hand you seem to laying claims on the perfectly nice and easy going Russians or Soviets. Cheers
You’re making up that claim. I suggest you read up on the partitions I mentioned. Nothing is being whitewashed neither the annihilation of the British population by the Vikings or the bloodbath Danes did here in Sweden.
On the other hand you seem to laying claims on the perfectly nice and easy going Russians or Soviets. Cheers
I’m responding to your claim that the Germans treated the Poles relatively well. It’s an astounding claim. I’ve barely touched on the atrocities committed by Germany on the Poles. It seems history is whitewashed according to prevailing political requirements.
You’re not making any sense now. The plan of the Nazis were world domination. If Hitler succeeded with his mythological bomb the first thing he planned was to blow up the whole Britain. Poland was just a tiny bit of his draconian plans. Where are you writing this from?
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
No Stephen, I mentioned partitions. Thanks for your posts anyway.
No Stephen, I mentioned partitions. Thanks for your posts anyway.
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
Between 1939 and 1945 Germany’s genocide in Poland resulted in the deaths of 6 million Poles. The German plan was the eventual elimination of all Poles and the Germanization of all of Poland.
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
The freedom you mention must be during the inter-war periods. My mother in law lives in Little Poland (Malopolska) in a town south of Krakow where the nazis set up a training camp for Auschwitz officers. The building which they took over is still there and behind it on the hillside is a somewhat secluded “cemetery” where the local jewish population were “laid to rest”. What does surprise me is that there is a monument to fallen Russians in the local park which since the Ukrainian invasion has remained undisturbed. I don’t know why it hasn’t been removed or desecrated or if it will be in the future, but there is absolutely nothing to respect in terms of Russia’s suppression of human rights in Poland both during and after WW2. It’s almost ironic that there are many Russian speaking Ukrainians now passing that place daily whilst being given refuge in the town.
I think the reason for this is deeper, much deeper, and probably goes back to the partitions of Poland. The Germans and Austrians gave the Poles much more freedom. The Russians wanted to destroy the nation to the core. Regardless of both world wars.
Regarding the nuclear narrative, I don’t see any risks from Poland, there’s nothing in history that would support it. It’s clearly a Putin’esque propaganda.
Probably because Germany is rich while Russia is only resource rich. At the end of the day they want revenge from both and we’re allowing them to use us to get it, even at the risk of nuclear war.
After I have worked in Poland since 2008 (still do), I’ve realised a big difference. It may be true what you say, but they both despise Russians and have zero respect for them while they despise the Germans but have huge respect for them. Cheers
The Poles despise the Russians and the Germans in equal measure. They’re relishing the opportunity US poodle Tony Blair has given them to use NATO and the EU to settle historical scores with Russia. They’re hoping to do the same with Germany.