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AJ Mac
AJ Mac
10 months ago

Good article with some real gems such as: “It’s like recasting Jaws with a disgruntled salmon”.
Part of the underlying sag in remakes could be that truly great movies–make your own list and test this unresearched claim–don’t usually get re-made or turned into “re-quels”, do they? So far we’ve been spared “Citizen Kane: The Sledding Years” or “O Brother Where Art Thou Now?” (drawing upon the earlier film, which drew upon the Odyssey) or “Cool Hand Luke Jr.”, etc. The remakes tend to go for pretty good movies that were a financial success, though Doyle has cited some cultish, commercial-flop films that were re-made, usually to an across-the-board failure.
Nowadays, these long-unhappy remakes emerge from a moviemaking culture more averse to real risk than ever, especially in Hollywood. How many of the superhero, horror, rom-com, action-spectacle, or sci-fi/dystopian-world films of recent vintage are formulaic and derivative, in effect like contemporaneous remakes or trivially-altered versions of each other?
Doyle gets it right while writing it well: replication (like adaptation) only succeeds alongside re-invention. The movie version of Double Indemnity achieves something the book doesn’t (the film has a main character with a measure of decency and some snappy original lines; good to have Raymond Chandler do your screenplay), and vice versa.
I think it’s essentially true that there’s no new thing under the sun–to quote Ecclesiastes, from over 2,000 years ago–but you still need ought to do better than a superficial reboot with newer clothes and updated slang or “Ghostbusters: Now With Women!”.

Last edited 10 months ago by AJ Mac
Angela N
Angela N
10 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

You know some remakes are great and some are crap. And if I ever see another version of great expectations or pride and prejudice or jeez, Batman, kill me jow.

Big but. Ghostbusters “Now With Women” got vilified purely because, you know, misogyny.

As anyone who has seen Ghostbusters 2015 knows, it’s brilliant and hilarious and unique to itself, and in no way diminishes the brilliant, hilarious original.

I recommend anyone to watch it, particularly young girls, and laugh like a drain.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
10 months ago
Reply to  Angela N

I don’t agree that the Ghostbusters remake was panned purely because of misogyny, but accept that many of those who “vilified” the remake or condemned the very idea of it had sexist motivations, maybe even misogynistic ones. I thought the anti-“lady reboot” hysteria (word chosen on purpose) was nonsense, with overreach on both sides of the dispute, and I didn’t mean to contribute to it.
As a fan of SNL and most of the cast, including McKinnon and McCarthy, I wanted to like it more. I thought it was pretty dull and lazy, neither good nor awful. But I don’t rate the original, which came out when I was a middle-schooler, as a great film either. For me, it was just a fun spectacle whose thrill was gone come reboots–including the “original” male-lead sequels–by having been done before.
Then again, I liked Ghostbusters: Afterlife (2021)–which isn’t really defensible as fine cinema either–I think in part because I watched it with a female friend who really enjoyed it, contagiously so. Perhaps I shouldn’t have singled out the Ghostbusters reboot. But I don’t think my reaction to it should be a litmus-test fail for how I view women in society, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

Last edited 10 months ago by AJ Mac
AJ Mac
AJ Mac
10 months ago
Reply to  Angela N

I don’t agree that the Ghostbusters remake was panned purely because of misogyny, but accept that many of those who “vilified” the remake or condemned the very idea of it had sexist motivations, maybe even misogynistic ones. I thought the anti-“lady reboot” hysteria (word chosen on purpose) was nonsense, with overreach on both sides of the dispute, and I didn’t mean to contribute to it.
As a fan of SNL and most of the cast, including McKinnon and McCarthy, I wanted to like it more. I thought it was pretty dull and lazy, neither good nor awful. But I don’t rate the original, which came out when I was a middle-schooler, as a great film either. For me, it was just a fun spectacle whose thrill was gone come reboots–including the “original” male-lead sequels–by having been done before.
Then again, I liked Ghostbusters: Afterlife (2021)–which isn’t really defensible as fine cinema either–I think in part because I watched it with a female friend who really enjoyed it, contagiously so. Perhaps I shouldn’t have singled out the Ghostbusters reboot. But I don’t think my reaction to it should be a litmus-test fail for how I view women in society, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

Last edited 10 months ago by AJ Mac
Angela N
Angela N
10 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

You know some remakes are great and some are crap. And if I ever see another version of great expectations or pride and prejudice or jeez, Batman, kill me jow.

Big but. Ghostbusters “Now With Women” got vilified purely because, you know, misogyny.

As anyone who has seen Ghostbusters 2015 knows, it’s brilliant and hilarious and unique to itself, and in no way diminishes the brilliant, hilarious original.

I recommend anyone to watch it, particularly young girls, and laugh like a drain.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
10 months ago

Good article with some real gems such as: “It’s like recasting Jaws with a disgruntled salmon”.
Part of the underlying sag in remakes could be that truly great movies–make your own list and test this unresearched claim–don’t usually get re-made or turned into “re-quels”, do they? So far we’ve been spared “Citizen Kane: The Sledding Years” or “O Brother Where Art Thou Now?” (drawing upon the earlier film, which drew upon the Odyssey) or “Cool Hand Luke Jr.”, etc. The remakes tend to go for pretty good movies that were a financial success, though Doyle has cited some cultish, commercial-flop films that were re-made, usually to an across-the-board failure.
Nowadays, these long-unhappy remakes emerge from a moviemaking culture more averse to real risk than ever, especially in Hollywood. How many of the superhero, horror, rom-com, action-spectacle, or sci-fi/dystopian-world films of recent vintage are formulaic and derivative, in effect like contemporaneous remakes or trivially-altered versions of each other?
Doyle gets it right while writing it well: replication (like adaptation) only succeeds alongside re-invention. The movie version of Double Indemnity achieves something the book doesn’t (the film has a main character with a measure of decency and some snappy original lines; good to have Raymond Chandler do your screenplay), and vice versa.
I think it’s essentially true that there’s no new thing under the sun–to quote Ecclesiastes, from over 2,000 years ago–but you still need ought to do better than a superficial reboot with newer clothes and updated slang or “Ghostbusters: Now With Women!”.

Last edited 10 months ago by AJ Mac
Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
10 months ago

“ Yet if the filmmakers can avoid pandering to modish identity politics”

Fat chance !

it just has to be accepted, some things are more, and sometimes much, much, more than the sum of their parts. Dad’s Army being a MASSIVE case in point. You can have all of your ducks lined up, perfectly, throw loads of money at it, polish it to a high sheen, and still fall way, way, short of the magic that was the original.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
10 months ago

“ Yet if the filmmakers can avoid pandering to modish identity politics”

Fat chance !

it just has to be accepted, some things are more, and sometimes much, much, more than the sum of their parts. Dad’s Army being a MASSIVE case in point. You can have all of your ducks lined up, perfectly, throw loads of money at it, polish it to a high sheen, and still fall way, way, short of the magic that was the original.

Tony Taylor
Tony Taylor
10 months ago

True enough that remakes are often putrid, for instance Get Carter or the Wicker Man or Rollerball or Point Break. On the other hand, I prefer the remake of that overrated kids movie, The Magnificent Seven. Payback, which is a remake of the brilliant Point Blank, is a terrific film in its own right. The Thing, John Carpenter’s remake of the 1950s B, is one of my all-time fave films. I’ve recently watched the first half of the latest version of Dune, which is much better than the David Lynch movie or the mini series from about 25 years ago; hopefully the second half of this Dune is as good. And heretical as it may be on an English website, I like the remake of The Italian Job, although I still prefer the original.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
10 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

“ I like the remake of The Italian Job,”
Philistine 🙂

Last edited 10 months ago by Tom Lewis
Catherine Conroy
Catherine Conroy
10 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

Yes, The Thing is the one movie that sprang to mind, such a superior version of the original.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
10 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

“ I like the remake of The Italian Job,”
Philistine 🙂

Last edited 10 months ago by Tom Lewis
Catherine Conroy
Catherine Conroy
10 months ago
Reply to  Tony Taylor

Yes, The Thing is the one movie that sprang to mind, such a superior version of the original.

Tony Taylor
Tony Taylor
10 months ago

True enough that remakes are often putrid, for instance Get Carter or the Wicker Man or Rollerball or Point Break. On the other hand, I prefer the remake of that overrated kids movie, The Magnificent Seven. Payback, which is a remake of the brilliant Point Blank, is a terrific film in its own right. The Thing, John Carpenter’s remake of the 1950s B, is one of my all-time fave films. I’ve recently watched the first half of the latest version of Dune, which is much better than the David Lynch movie or the mini series from about 25 years ago; hopefully the second half of this Dune is as good. And heretical as it may be on an English website, I like the remake of The Italian Job, although I still prefer the original.

Margaret F
Margaret F
10 months ago

This article sidesteps the most obvious problem with modern remakes: diversity casting. It really does seem that the worst modern remakes were produced with the primary goal of providing a vehicle for black or female leads. The quality and popularity of these projects could not be lower. It’s to the point where rating sites have had to adjust their algorithms to conceal public disgust. It’s sad because film-making is one of the few American industries that hasn’t been run completely into the ground in the past 50 years.

Margaret F
Margaret F
10 months ago

This article sidesteps the most obvious problem with modern remakes: diversity casting. It really does seem that the worst modern remakes were produced with the primary goal of providing a vehicle for black or female leads. The quality and popularity of these projects could not be lower. It’s to the point where rating sites have had to adjust their algorithms to conceal public disgust. It’s sad because film-making is one of the few American industries that hasn’t been run completely into the ground in the past 50 years.

N Satori
N Satori
10 months ago

Neither the Hollywood remake of Solaris or Tarkovky’s Russian original manage to capture the essence of Stanilav Lem’s very strange SciFi novel depicting human attemps to communicate with a planet which is essentially a living, intelligent entity.
Anyway, never mind remakes – I just wish someone would try making a movie of Alfred Bester’s The Stars My Destination.

N Satori
N Satori
10 months ago

Neither the Hollywood remake of Solaris or Tarkovky’s Russian original manage to capture the essence of Stanilav Lem’s very strange SciFi novel depicting human attemps to communicate with a planet which is essentially a living, intelligent entity.
Anyway, never mind remakes – I just wish someone would try making a movie of Alfred Bester’s The Stars My Destination.

Ali W
Ali W
10 months ago

Another example of the improved remake, in my opinion at least, is Ocean’s Eleven.

Ali W
Ali W
10 months ago

Another example of the improved remake, in my opinion at least, is Ocean’s Eleven.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago

I for one am one looking forward to the remake of ‘The Dambusters’, and am wondering how they will refer to the Black Labrador* owned by the late Wing Commander Guy Gibson, VC, DSO.

(* Whose grave was recently desecrated by the Royal Air Force at RAF Scampton, Lincs.)

Last edited 10 months ago by Charles Stanhope
N Satori
N Satori
10 months ago

Be careful what you wish for. Judging by the inclusiveness mania afflicting movie production in the last couple of years we may find that historical truth is whatever the activist ‘creatives’ want it to be and Guy Gibson was actually a Person Of Colour, a closet homosexual, a covert cross-dresser or even a woman. As for his pet dog – it may turn out to have been a light coloured Labrador called Whitey. As for Barnes Wallis: the true source of his alleged inventiveness must surely have been pilfered from some unsung marginalised genius (with socialist sympathies).

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
10 months ago
Reply to  N Satori

You forgot ‘German’.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
10 months ago
Reply to  N Satori

You forgot ‘German’.

N Satori
N Satori
10 months ago

Be careful what you wish for. Judging by the inclusiveness mania afflicting movie production in the last couple of years we may find that historical truth is whatever the activist ‘creatives’ want it to be and Guy Gibson was actually a Person Of Colour, a closet homosexual, a covert cross-dresser or even a woman. As for his pet dog – it may turn out to have been a light coloured Labrador called Whitey. As for Barnes Wallis: the true source of his alleged inventiveness must surely have been pilfered from some unsung marginalised genius (with socialist sympathies).

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago

I for one am one looking forward to the remake of ‘The Dambusters’, and am wondering how they will refer to the Black Labrador* owned by the late Wing Commander Guy Gibson, VC, DSO.

(* Whose grave was recently desecrated by the Royal Air Force at RAF Scampton, Lincs.)

Last edited 10 months ago by Charles Stanhope
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
10 months ago

One remake that i was fully expecting to be terrible but turned out not too bad was Whisky Galore (1949 / 2016). I can’t normally abide watching Eddie Izzard but his reprieve of the slightly over-the-top army captain just seemed to work, if very different from the original.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Personally I’m rather glad the WG remake is nothing than a half forgotten disturbing footnote to British film, it was truly awful, with Izzard badly miscast.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
10 months ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

I thought it at least captured the “spirit” of the original…

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
10 months ago
Reply to  Tom Lewis

I thought it at least captured the “spirit” of the original…

Grace Note
Grace Note
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I watched some of it on Saturday when it was on BBC2 expecting to absolutely hate it. I didn’t but it was very mediocre. I didn’t watch it to the end because life’s too short for too much mediocre. The original is such a delight that any sensible person would have left well enough alone.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Personally I’m rather glad the WG remake is nothing than a half forgotten disturbing footnote to British film, it was truly awful, with Izzard badly miscast.

Grace Note
Grace Note
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I watched some of it on Saturday when it was on BBC2 expecting to absolutely hate it. I didn’t but it was very mediocre. I didn’t watch it to the end because life’s too short for too much mediocre. The original is such a delight that any sensible person would have left well enough alone.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
10 months ago

One remake that i was fully expecting to be terrible but turned out not too bad was Whisky Galore (1949 / 2016). I can’t normally abide watching Eddie Izzard but his reprieve of the slightly over-the-top army captain just seemed to work, if very different from the original.

Quentin Puckridge
Quentin Puckridge
10 months ago

Clooney and Soderbergh‘s Ocean’s Eleven was much better than the original Rat Pack version. Obviously they rather ruined that by making Twelve, Thirteen and Eight, but still…

Mr Tyler
Mr Tyler
10 months ago

Yes, Psycho (1998) is good. I like it. Correct call.

Mr Tyler
Mr Tyler
10 months ago

Yes, Psycho (1998) is good. I like it. Correct call.

T Bone
T Bone
10 months ago

I for one would like the Cultural Appropriation of Hollywood remakes to be MORE diverse and inclusive by viewing each story through an “Earth Lens.” To utilize other properties of storytelling like silent films that showcase the Earth’s core as She/They cope with the Capitalist transformation of the planet. Otherwise moviemaking simply isn’t sustainable. This change alone would cut down film costs immensely and be better for the planet.

At this rate, there is simply no chance that Hollywood can hit all of the 2030 Goals by 2030. It’s going to require a radical transformation. A reimagining of how we think about the way that we think about inclusivity and what it means to be Earth-centered.

T Bone
T Bone
10 months ago

I for one would like the Cultural Appropriation of Hollywood remakes to be MORE diverse and inclusive by viewing each story through an “Earth Lens.” To utilize other properties of storytelling like silent films that showcase the Earth’s core as She/They cope with the Capitalist transformation of the planet. Otherwise moviemaking simply isn’t sustainable. This change alone would cut down film costs immensely and be better for the planet.

At this rate, there is simply no chance that Hollywood can hit all of the 2030 Goals by 2030. It’s going to require a radical transformation. A reimagining of how we think about the way that we think about inclusivity and what it means to be Earth-centered.