I feel the same way. The way the author keeps bringing his grandfather into the story is bothersome, though. The man risked his life serving his country in its efforts to rescue civilization and found the collateral damage from acts of war hard to take, as any reasonably decent human being would. Why does he keep showing up in a story about sadists and people who enjoy watching sadism?
I feel the same way. The way the author keeps bringing his grandfather into the story is bothersome, though. The man risked his life serving his country in its efforts to rescue civilization and found the collateral damage from acts of war hard to take, as any reasonably decent human being would. Why does he keep showing up in a story about sadists and people who enjoy watching sadism?
Horrid stuff. This article needs interviews with relevant law enforcement officials asking (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) the reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on their progress in eradicating this vileness.
Horrid stuff. This article needs interviews with relevant law enforcement officials asking (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) the reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on their progress in eradicating this vileness.
Julian Farrows
10 months ago
I can’t stand this kind of stuff. Viewing it for whatever reason pollutes the soul.
Sue Ward
10 months ago
I feel polluted just skimming the article. I wish you’d never brought such depravity to my attention.
To this article’s author, Oliver Bateman, and to his editors:
Please locate the relevant domestic and international law enforcement officials and ask them: (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) advise them that the Unherd reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on law enforcement’s progress in eradicating this vileness.
To this article’s author, Oliver Bateman, and to his editors:
Please locate the relevant domestic and international law enforcement officials and ask them: (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) advise them that the Unherd reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on law enforcement’s progress in eradicating this vileness.
How can it hope to be stopped if decent people don’t know about it?
Sue Ward
10 months ago
I feel polluted just skimming the article. I wish you’d never brought such depravity to my attention.
Simon Neale
10 months ago
So even as those sickos are brought to justice, we ought to ask ourselves: what would we do, if we thought we could get away with it?
I find it helps me to think that there is literally nothing – not one single thought or intention – that we can “get away with”. This belief is sometimes supported by a sort of vague but powerful intuition, and sometimes by a blind faith which makes me feel a bit silly. But overall, I think it’s helpful.
My initial thought is that torturers of animals deserve everything they get. Cue retribution fantasies. But even this falls foul of the principle described above. I won’t get away with wishing harm upon people.
The same applies to the ISIS beheading videos which were everywhere a few years ago. (My 13 year old son saw one before I did…) I looked, I looked away, and now I don’t go back.
Just walk away from evil. Hold your mind back from all its forms, unless you are lucky enough to be one of natures successful vigilantes and you actually have the social position and testicular fortitude to put things right. What’s done is done, and let’s try not to do the bad stuff any more.
Simon Neale
10 months ago
So even as those sickos are brought to justice, we ought to ask ourselves: what would we do, if we thought we could get away with it?
I find it helps me to think that there is literally nothing – not one single thought or intention – that we can “get away with”. This belief is sometimes supported by a sort of vague but powerful intuition, and sometimes by a blind faith which makes me feel a bit silly. But overall, I think it’s helpful.
My initial thought is that torturers of animals deserve everything they get. Cue retribution fantasies. But even this falls foul of the principle described above. I won’t get away with wishing harm upon people.
The same applies to the ISIS beheading videos which were everywhere a few years ago. (My 13 year old son saw one before I did…) I looked, I looked away, and now I don’t go back.
Just walk away from evil. Hold your mind back from all its forms, unless you are lucky enough to be one of natures successful vigilantes and you actually have the social position and testicular fortitude to put things right. What’s done is done, and let’s try not to do the bad stuff any more.
Phil Rees
10 months ago
Not sure who this is aimed at and to what purpose. I was a happier person not knowing about this!
The purpose is to EXPOSE the filth who are viewing and arranging these videos. The main purpose of these exposes is to bring the perpetrators to justice and STOP the torture. I for one think the BBC have done a good job for a change.
The purpose is to EXPOSE the filth who are viewing and arranging these videos. The main purpose of these exposes is to bring the perpetrators to justice and STOP the torture. I for one think the BBC have done a good job for a change.
Phil Rees
10 months ago
Not sure who this is aimed at and to what purpose. I was a happier person not knowing about this!
Ann Furedi
10 months ago
The most disturbing crime docs I have ever seen is Netflix’s Don’t f**k With Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer, which was basically a bunch of internet sleuths tracking a guy who posts videos of himself torturing kittens. The fact that he then escalates to murder is a bit beside the point because the extraordinary thing is how the internet sleuths hunt down this twisted sicko. TBH in the end it’s hard to know what is more terrifying: the obsessive man-hunt for the perp or the perp. If you’ve got this far into the article’s comments, it’s worth a watch.
Hello Ann:
I watched the doc that you refer to and would like to echo your misgivings about what is more terrifying, the perp or the sleuths. Various degrees of dysfunctionality abound.
Hello Ann:
I watched the doc that you refer to and would like to echo your misgivings about what is more terrifying, the perp or the sleuths. Various degrees of dysfunctionality abound.
The most disturbing crime docs I have ever seen is Netflix’s Don’t f**k With Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer, which was basically a bunch of internet sleuths tracking a guy who posts videos of himself torturing kittens. The fact that he then escalates to murder is a bit beside the point because the extraordinary thing is how the internet sleuths hunt down this twisted sicko. TBH in the end it’s hard to know what is more terrifying: the obsessive man-hunt for the perp or the perp. If you’ve got this far into the article’s comments, it’s worth a watch.
Betsy Warrior
10 months ago
Whenever I hear of the torture of primates I think of Dr. Nathan Kline who posted his walls with pictures of suffering animals. Dr. Kline sponsored Wade Davis ethnobotinist trip to Haiti described in The Serpent and the Rainbow. Kline apparently enjoyed the abuse of his experimental subjects – like the man who experimented on separation anxiety in baby monkeys. (Harry Harlow?) People like Nathan Kline and Harry Harlow may be the dregs of humanity, but they disguise their evil with degrees and garner accolades from others. This torture is not unlike the pathological abuse of women online: threats of rape, murder, skinning alive, spreading lies to employers, family and friends has driven many women to suicide. They do it because they enjoy it because they’re depraved.
Last edited 10 months ago by Betsy Warrior
Betsy Warrior
10 months ago
Whenever I hear of the torture of primates I think of Dr. Nathan Kline who posted his walls with pictures of suffering animals. Dr. Kline sponsored Wade Davis ethnobotinist trip to Haiti described in The Serpent and the Rainbow. Kline apparently enjoyed the abuse of his experimental subjects – like the man who experimented on separation anxiety in baby monkeys. (Harry Harlow?) People like Nathan Kline and Harry Harlow may be the dregs of humanity, but they disguise their evil with degrees and garner accolades from others. This torture is not unlike the pathological abuse of women online: threats of rape, murder, skinning alive, spreading lies to employers, family and friends has driven many women to suicide. They do it because they enjoy it because they’re depraved.
Last edited 10 months ago by Betsy Warrior
Steven Targett
10 months ago
Vile monsters in human form (no longer human beings) abusing others in horrific ways are sadly a feature of human history from the earliest records. So often its simply just because they can and the Internet facilitates this.
Steven Targett
10 months ago
Vile monsters in human form (no longer human beings) abusing others in horrific ways are sadly a feature of human history from the earliest records. So often its simply just because they can and the Internet facilitates this.
michael harris
10 months ago
I can’t even read the article beyond the first few lines.
michael harris
10 months ago
I can’t even read the article beyond the first few lines.
Matthew Waterhouse
10 months ago
Punish those engaged in such monstrous activities and make them give something back to society – utilise them as subjects for vivisection and medical research, instead of the animals. And to those who disagree with my suggestion – why not?
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
Danish Mink farming is/was no picnic, the Japanese consume ‘live’ frogs, the Chinese gobble up tons of dogs, so what can one really expect from a rather nasty species of African Ape*?
(*Made in God’s image, or so we are told!)
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
Danish Mink farming is/was no picnic, the Japanese consume ‘live’ frogs, the Chinese gobble up tons of dogs, so what can one really expect from a rather nasty species of African Ape*?
(*Made in God’s image, or so we are told!)
Don Lightband
10 months ago
Inside the mind of? oh really? WHERE? I see no such examination in the article.
The author’s slobbering sanction of the revolting high-tech witch-hunt that was To Catch a Predator is pukesome. Until Glastonbury features Gary Glitter as headliner, in the name of recovering fullest legitimacy for the male, the people of the UK can say goodbye to any genuinely rebellious spirit for good.
Oh look, now you can play To Catch A Troll.
Don Lightband
10 months ago
Inside the mind of? oh really? WHERE? I see no such examination in the article.
The author’s slobbering sanction of the revolting high-tech witch-hunt that was To Catch a Predator is pukesome. Until Glastonbury features Gary Glitter as headliner, in the name of recovering fullest legitimacy for the male, the people of the UK can say goodbye to any genuinely rebellious spirit for good.
Oh look, now you can play To Catch A Troll.
Albert McGloan
10 months ago
“How prog-guru John Podesta isn’t household name as world class underage sex slave cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.” @AndrewBreitbart, 04 Feb 2011
“Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.” E-mail sent to John Podesta, 02 Sep 2014
Albert McGloan
10 months ago
“How prog-guru John Podesta isn’t household name as world class underage sex slave cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.” @AndrewBreitbart, 04 Feb 2011
“Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.” E-mail sent to John Podesta, 02 Sep 2014
I can’t stand this kind of stuff. Viewing it for whatever reason pollutes the soul.
Just knowing it exists turns the stomach.
I feel the same way. The way the author keeps bringing his grandfather into the story is bothersome, though. The man risked his life serving his country in its efforts to rescue civilization and found the collateral damage from acts of war hard to take, as any reasonably decent human being would. Why does he keep showing up in a story about sadists and people who enjoy watching sadism?
Quite. It’s as if the author couldn’t write the article without having some personal anecdote to relate it to.
Added to that the Allied Submarines sank far more than one battleship during WW2
Besides the ‘Kongo’ what others?
ps: “The Hun” did MUCH better sinking both HMS Royal Oak and HMS Barham.
Besides the ‘Kongo’ what others?
ps: “The Hun” did MUCH better sinking both HMS Royal Oak and HMS Barham.
Quite. It’s as if the author couldn’t write the article without having some personal anecdote to relate it to.
Added to that the Allied Submarines sank far more than one battleship during WW2
I feel the same way. The way the author keeps bringing his grandfather into the story is bothersome, though. The man risked his life serving his country in its efforts to rescue civilization and found the collateral damage from acts of war hard to take, as any reasonably decent human being would. Why does he keep showing up in a story about sadists and people who enjoy watching sadism?
Horrid stuff. This article needs interviews with relevant law enforcement officials asking (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) the reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on their progress in eradicating this vileness.
Just knowing it exists turns the stomach.
Horrid stuff. This article needs interviews with relevant law enforcement officials asking (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) the reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on their progress in eradicating this vileness.
I can’t stand this kind of stuff. Viewing it for whatever reason pollutes the soul.
I feel polluted just skimming the article. I wish you’d never brought such depravity to my attention.
Agree.
To this article’s author, Oliver Bateman, and to his editors:
Please locate the relevant domestic and international law enforcement officials and ask them: (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) advise them that the Unherd reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on law enforcement’s progress in eradicating this vileness.
How can it hope to be stopped if decent people don’t know about it?
Agree.
To this article’s author, Oliver Bateman, and to his editors:
Please locate the relevant domestic and international law enforcement officials and ask them: (i) do they know about these heinous crimes; and (ii) what exactly are they doing about it; and (iii) advise them that the Unherd reporters will write follow-on stories to check in on law enforcement’s progress in eradicating this vileness.
How can it hope to be stopped if decent people don’t know about it?
I feel polluted just skimming the article. I wish you’d never brought such depravity to my attention.
I find it helps me to think that there is literally nothing – not one single thought or intention – that we can “get away with”. This belief is sometimes supported by a sort of vague but powerful intuition, and sometimes by a blind faith which makes me feel a bit silly. But overall, I think it’s helpful.
My initial thought is that torturers of animals deserve everything they get. Cue retribution fantasies. But even this falls foul of the principle described above. I won’t get away with wishing harm upon people.
The same applies to the ISIS beheading videos which were everywhere a few years ago. (My 13 year old son saw one before I did…) I looked, I looked away, and now I don’t go back.
Just walk away from evil. Hold your mind back from all its forms, unless you are lucky enough to be one of natures successful vigilantes and you actually have the social position and testicular fortitude to put things right. What’s done is done, and let’s try not to do the bad stuff any more.
I find it helps me to think that there is literally nothing – not one single thought or intention – that we can “get away with”. This belief is sometimes supported by a sort of vague but powerful intuition, and sometimes by a blind faith which makes me feel a bit silly. But overall, I think it’s helpful.
My initial thought is that torturers of animals deserve everything they get. Cue retribution fantasies. But even this falls foul of the principle described above. I won’t get away with wishing harm upon people.
The same applies to the ISIS beheading videos which were everywhere a few years ago. (My 13 year old son saw one before I did…) I looked, I looked away, and now I don’t go back.
Just walk away from evil. Hold your mind back from all its forms, unless you are lucky enough to be one of natures successful vigilantes and you actually have the social position and testicular fortitude to put things right. What’s done is done, and let’s try not to do the bad stuff any more.
Not sure who this is aimed at and to what purpose. I was a happier person not knowing about this!
The purpose is to EXPOSE the filth who are viewing and arranging these videos. The main purpose of these exposes is to bring the perpetrators to justice and STOP the torture. I for one think the BBC have done a good job for a change.
The BBC also did good work a few years ago exposing ‘ ‘Crufts’ and the disgraceful world of ‘dog breeding’*
(* In fact horrific inbreeding!)
The BBC also did good work a few years ago exposing ‘ ‘Crufts’ and the disgraceful world of ‘dog breeding’*
(* In fact horrific inbreeding!)
The purpose is to EXPOSE the filth who are viewing and arranging these videos. The main purpose of these exposes is to bring the perpetrators to justice and STOP the torture. I for one think the BBC have done a good job for a change.
Not sure who this is aimed at and to what purpose. I was a happier person not knowing about this!
The most disturbing crime docs I have ever seen is Netflix’s Don’t f**k With Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer, which was basically a bunch of internet sleuths tracking a guy who posts videos of himself torturing kittens. The fact that he then escalates to murder is a bit beside the point because the extraordinary thing is how the internet sleuths hunt down this twisted sicko. TBH in the end it’s hard to know what is more terrifying: the obsessive man-hunt for the perp or the perp. If you’ve got this far into the article’s comments, it’s worth a watch.
Hello Ann:
I watched the doc that you refer to and would like to echo your misgivings about what is more terrifying, the perp or the sleuths. Various degrees of dysfunctionality abound.
Was that trans man Luca Magnotti?
Perhaps that is what is required?
Hello Ann:
I watched the doc that you refer to and would like to echo your misgivings about what is more terrifying, the perp or the sleuths. Various degrees of dysfunctionality abound.
Was that trans man Luca Magnotti?
Perhaps that is what is required?
The most disturbing crime docs I have ever seen is Netflix’s Don’t f**k With Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer, which was basically a bunch of internet sleuths tracking a guy who posts videos of himself torturing kittens. The fact that he then escalates to murder is a bit beside the point because the extraordinary thing is how the internet sleuths hunt down this twisted sicko. TBH in the end it’s hard to know what is more terrifying: the obsessive man-hunt for the perp or the perp. If you’ve got this far into the article’s comments, it’s worth a watch.
Whenever I hear of the torture of primates I think of Dr. Nathan Kline who posted his walls with pictures of suffering animals. Dr. Kline sponsored Wade Davis ethnobotinist trip to Haiti described in The Serpent and the Rainbow. Kline apparently enjoyed the abuse of his experimental subjects – like the man who experimented on separation anxiety in baby monkeys. (Harry Harlow?) People like Nathan Kline and Harry Harlow may be the dregs of humanity, but they disguise their evil with degrees and garner accolades from others. This torture is not unlike the pathological abuse of women online: threats of rape, murder, skinning alive, spreading lies to employers, family and friends has driven many women to suicide. They do it because they enjoy it because they’re depraved.
Whenever I hear of the torture of primates I think of Dr. Nathan Kline who posted his walls with pictures of suffering animals. Dr. Kline sponsored Wade Davis ethnobotinist trip to Haiti described in The Serpent and the Rainbow. Kline apparently enjoyed the abuse of his experimental subjects – like the man who experimented on separation anxiety in baby monkeys. (Harry Harlow?) People like Nathan Kline and Harry Harlow may be the dregs of humanity, but they disguise their evil with degrees and garner accolades from others. This torture is not unlike the pathological abuse of women online: threats of rape, murder, skinning alive, spreading lies to employers, family and friends has driven many women to suicide. They do it because they enjoy it because they’re depraved.
Vile monsters in human form (no longer human beings) abusing others in horrific ways are sadly a feature of human history from the earliest records. So often its simply just because they can and the Internet facilitates this.
Vile monsters in human form (no longer human beings) abusing others in horrific ways are sadly a feature of human history from the earliest records. So often its simply just because they can and the Internet facilitates this.
I can’t even read the article beyond the first few lines.
I can’t even read the article beyond the first few lines.
Punish those engaged in such monstrous activities and make them give something back to society – utilise them as subjects for vivisection and medical research, instead of the animals. And to those who disagree with my suggestion – why not?
Danish Mink farming is/was no picnic, the Japanese consume ‘live’ frogs, the Chinese gobble up tons of dogs, so what can one really expect from a rather nasty species of African Ape*?
(*Made in God’s image, or so we are told!)
Danish Mink farming is/was no picnic, the Japanese consume ‘live’ frogs, the Chinese gobble up tons of dogs, so what can one really expect from a rather nasty species of African Ape*?
(*Made in God’s image, or so we are told!)
Inside the mind of? oh really? WHERE? I see no such examination in the article.
The author’s slobbering sanction of the revolting high-tech witch-hunt that was To Catch a Predator is pukesome. Until Glastonbury features Gary Glitter as headliner, in the name of recovering fullest legitimacy for the male, the people of the UK can say goodbye to any genuinely rebellious spirit for good.
Oh look, now you can play To Catch A Troll.
Inside the mind of? oh really? WHERE? I see no such examination in the article.
The author’s slobbering sanction of the revolting high-tech witch-hunt that was To Catch a Predator is pukesome. Until Glastonbury features Gary Glitter as headliner, in the name of recovering fullest legitimacy for the male, the people of the UK can say goodbye to any genuinely rebellious spirit for good.
Oh look, now you can play To Catch A Troll.
“How prog-guru John Podesta isn’t household name as world class underage sex slave cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.” @AndrewBreitbart, 04 Feb 2011
“Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.” E-mail sent to John Podesta, 02 Sep 2014
“How prog-guru John Podesta isn’t household name as world class underage sex slave cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.” @AndrewBreitbart, 04 Feb 2011
“Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.” E-mail sent to John Podesta, 02 Sep 2014