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Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs
10 months ago

Typical Management Consulting firms tend to promote policies and solutions that increase the supply of problems, because constant problems increase demand for the services of Management Consultancies.

The consulting firm then crafts its own statistical justification for existing and continuously reproduces more rubbish solutions to “fix” the rapidly expanding list of problems it causes through nonsensical (and often wildly outdated) methods.

Their modus operandi is to establish the vague thought that modern work life is somehow subtly dysfunctional, misdiagnose the problem, and propose raft of wilfully ill-motivated solutions.

Management Consulting isn’t meant to be applied at scale. Instead, these firms often privilege morally repugnant, greedy bullies under the guise of “expertise” and harm everybody else.

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

I wrote a detailed comment about why the plausible deniability resulting from Australia’s governments at state and federal levels using consulting firms leads to the absence of police accountability as well as the re-election of politicians with dubious credentials. Look up my name if the comment doesn’t appear.

stephen archer
stephen archer
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

I used to work for a small/medium (50 staff) security technology/management consultancy where our motto and business principle was to put our client’s interests first, even if it conflicted with our own short-term interests, as an example, not trying to sell in unnecessary services. We were bought out by such an organisation and the main guiding principle which I had grasped was instead to protect the company’s reputation, above anything else. I didn’t stay long

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

There was a god book written 25 years ago called Dangerous Company, by James O’Shea, about management companies and the businesses they have destroyed. In fact I was involved, after the event, in one of the cases highlighted by the book

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

Sounds like you’ve either worked for one of these octopi, or suffered during their engagements. Staffed by unusually over-ambitious and cynical corporate types who find themselves elevated to some vague status of business professionalism. My problems within one of them came when someone left a pile of contracts and ledgers on my desk detailing years of kickbacks from the most influential US IT vendor. Try running that through the DOJ and see how far you get.

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

I wrote a detailed comment about why the plausible deniability resulting from Australia’s governments at state and federal levels using consulting firms leads to the absence of police accountability as well as the re-election of politicians with dubious credentials. Look up my name if the comment doesn’t appear.

stephen archer
stephen archer
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

I used to work for a small/medium (50 staff) security technology/management consultancy where our motto and business principle was to put our client’s interests first, even if it conflicted with our own short-term interests, as an example, not trying to sell in unnecessary services. We were bought out by such an organisation and the main guiding principle which I had grasped was instead to protect the company’s reputation, above anything else. I didn’t stay long

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

There was a god book written 25 years ago called Dangerous Company, by James O’Shea, about management companies and the businesses they have destroyed. In fact I was involved, after the event, in one of the cases highlighted by the book

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
10 months ago
Reply to  Steve Jobs

Sounds like you’ve either worked for one of these octopi, or suffered during their engagements. Staffed by unusually over-ambitious and cynical corporate types who find themselves elevated to some vague status of business professionalism. My problems within one of them came when someone left a pile of contracts and ledgers on my desk detailing years of kickbacks from the most influential US IT vendor. Try running that through the DOJ and see how far you get.

Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs
10 months ago

Typical Management Consulting firms tend to promote policies and solutions that increase the supply of problems, because constant problems increase demand for the services of Management Consultancies.

The consulting firm then crafts its own statistical justification for existing and continuously reproduces more rubbish solutions to “fix” the rapidly expanding list of problems it causes through nonsensical (and often wildly outdated) methods.

Their modus operandi is to establish the vague thought that modern work life is somehow subtly dysfunctional, misdiagnose the problem, and propose raft of wilfully ill-motivated solutions.

Management Consulting isn’t meant to be applied at scale. Instead, these firms often privilege morally repugnant, greedy bullies under the guise of “expertise” and harm everybody else.

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
10 months ago

It’s amazing management consultancy is still a thing. With almost near certainty, once management consultants are brought in they never leave until the business is on life support: financial performance declines even more sharply, customer satisfaction collapses, the business shrinks, an asset fire sale follows, and shareholder value is destroyed. The only people who benefit are the management consultants themselves, their investment advisories who manage the fire sale of assets, and the management team who hide behind the management consultants and might even be rewarded by the management consultants with extra bonuses or a plumb job after it all falls apart. Metaphorically, management consultancy is a freeloader who turns murdererous when the victim runs out of money, and will rob the grave afterwards.

Of course, the reason why management consultancy has spent so many billions around the world to buy its way into the public sector is government will never let public organisations “die”. For the management consultants, the freeloading can in theory last forever. A never ending churn of advisory services, outsourcing planning, franchising structuring, then rinse and repeat when it fails. Terrible for service users and terrible for service funders. Great for senior civil servants and politicians who can jump on the advisory bandwagon and join the management consultants – indeed, that is an all too common bung for bringing in the management consultants.

The fact management consultancy does still exist is explained by mature corporate structures (private and public) being captured by an ineffective managerial class without operational experience who then tirelessly promote each other. The cumulative neglect of operations eventually makes serious problems unavoidable, and management must use outside help because they are so operationally ineffective and cannot rely on internal operational advice because that would reveal their own ineffectiveness. And let’s not forget that personal incentive to bring in the management consultants for a later reward to join them.

In short, when the management consultants are called it is all the evidence you need to say the existing management should be sacked and never allowed to work anywhere else at such senior levels again. The fact government, the very heart of the state, has called in the management consultants tells us our governments are failing and our states will surely soon fail too.

Last edited 10 months ago by Nell Clover
Burton Tallen
Burton Tallen
10 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Sounds like someone couldn’t get a job in management consulting.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
10 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Read my comments a few above.

Burton Tallen
Burton Tallen
10 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Sounds like someone couldn’t get a job in management consulting.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
10 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Read my comments a few above.

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
10 months ago

It’s amazing management consultancy is still a thing. With almost near certainty, once management consultants are brought in they never leave until the business is on life support: financial performance declines even more sharply, customer satisfaction collapses, the business shrinks, an asset fire sale follows, and shareholder value is destroyed. The only people who benefit are the management consultants themselves, their investment advisories who manage the fire sale of assets, and the management team who hide behind the management consultants and might even be rewarded by the management consultants with extra bonuses or a plumb job after it all falls apart. Metaphorically, management consultancy is a freeloader who turns murdererous when the victim runs out of money, and will rob the grave afterwards.

Of course, the reason why management consultancy has spent so many billions around the world to buy its way into the public sector is government will never let public organisations “die”. For the management consultants, the freeloading can in theory last forever. A never ending churn of advisory services, outsourcing planning, franchising structuring, then rinse and repeat when it fails. Terrible for service users and terrible for service funders. Great for senior civil servants and politicians who can jump on the advisory bandwagon and join the management consultants – indeed, that is an all too common bung for bringing in the management consultants.

The fact management consultancy does still exist is explained by mature corporate structures (private and public) being captured by an ineffective managerial class without operational experience who then tirelessly promote each other. The cumulative neglect of operations eventually makes serious problems unavoidable, and management must use outside help because they are so operationally ineffective and cannot rely on internal operational advice because that would reveal their own ineffectiveness. And let’s not forget that personal incentive to bring in the management consultants for a later reward to join them.

In short, when the management consultants are called it is all the evidence you need to say the existing management should be sacked and never allowed to work anywhere else at such senior levels again. The fact government, the very heart of the state, has called in the management consultants tells us our governments are failing and our states will surely soon fail too.

Last edited 10 months ago by Nell Clover
Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago

outsourcing to the private sector is one of several measures designed to provide governments with plausible deniability by distancing themselves from policymaking and implementation processes

and

Where once political parties were anchored in civil society, a yawning “void” now exists between the rulers and those they rule. And it is into this void that an army of consultants have marched

describe the Australia we live in accurately.
One of the outcomes is the effortless re-election of politicians like Daniel Andrews, irrespective of their obvious failings, e.g. using Victoria Police to arrest old ladies during their permitted outdoor exercise time during Covid lock-downs, fire rubber bullets on unarmed* protesters etc.
Another outcome is Australia’s statutory and regulatory bodies existing for the illusion of law and order only.
In effect the IBAC** whose raison d’être is to investigate the misconduct of Victoria Police amongst others is so starved of both funds and power, they have to refer over 90% of complaints against Victoria Police – back to Victoria Police to investigate with predictable outcomes. And, section 194 of the IBAC Act allows Victoria Police to bypass their Freedom of Information obligations about their self-investigations, effectively providing them with an impenetrable cloak of secrecy – further enforcing decades’ old risk-free criminality.
Just how dangerous it is to have police lacking both, duty of care and accountability is so well hidden, I had no idea about Australia’s lawlessness 1988-2008 living within a 10 km radius of where a stalker coworker’s crimes against me started in 2009 in Melbourne. Last break-in that I know of on 13 April 2023. I gave up trying to report any crimes in 2018. People can live in Australia for many decades without ever finding out that our police manage crime statistics via terrorising crime witnesses and victims into silent oblivion, that murderous, violent thugs die from old age without any trouble no matter how many people witness their crimes.
The stalker has Victoria Police associates who show off their uniforms participating in his crimes – while Victoria Police force the victim to fight at court as an accused criminal in an admitted silencing attempt. The stalker had (still has?) unrestricted access to info e.g. the up-to-date whereabouts of people in witness protection via his IT Helpdesk Assistant job at the Victorian Electoral Commission.
Apologies for the personal aspects of this comment. As a public servant witness to crimes punishable by 10 years in jail/worse turned devastated victim of ongoing, unpunished crimes in a suburb of million $ homes in Melbourne, I am unable to carry the burden of silence.
* Protesters dispute claims of Victoria Police officers attacked. Many of the protesters had small children with them.
** Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission

Peter D
Peter D
10 months ago
Reply to  Katalin Kish

Be careful, I am sure the whistleblower protection has no teeth and is years out of date just like the Brisbane City Council

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago
Reply to  Peter D

Thank you for caring Peter. I cannot carry the burden of silence.
I had exhausted all legal avenues to have crimes punishable by 10 years in jail/worse that I witnessed as a public servant, crimes I have been forced to live with since 2009 at least on record prior to starting my Public Interest Disclosures on every possible fora, including LinkedIn.
Living in Australia is a hard earned privilege for me, I wasn’t born here.
Like many others, I paid an enormous price to have my children grow up in a country of law-and-order, only to learn that Australia’s squeaky-clean reputation is based on fudged crime statistics, starting with crimes never investigated = crimes never happened, that Australia likely never had functional law-enforcement, that our most dangerous criminals are Victoria Police officers who aren’t just experts at how to avoid prosecution like all other police officers, but are also protected via an impenetrable cloak of secrecy thanks to section 194 of the IBAC Act.
I have lost so much to ongoing, devastating, unpunished crimes since 2009 (last unmissable cyber-crime about 10 minutes ago, last bikie visit to my home overnight) for no other reasons than a stalker IT Helpdesk Assistant at the Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC) adding me to his already extensive list of concurrent targets because I became an e-commerce world-champion in my postgrad studies while working as a Business Analyst the VEC in 2009, I have so very little left to lose, I might as well be that one Jew who fights back, risking awkward failure as her last act on Earth.
Peace is apparently the existence of justice, not just the absence of war. I am doing my bit for peace to have a chance in Australia.

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago
Reply to  Peter D

Thank you for caring Peter. I cannot carry the burden of silence.
I had exhausted all legal avenues to have crimes punishable by 10 years in jail/worse that I witnessed as a public servant, crimes I have been forced to live with since 2009 at least on record prior to starting my Public Interest Disclosures on every possible fora, including LinkedIn.
Living in Australia is a hard earned privilege for me, I wasn’t born here.
Like many others, I paid an enormous price to have my children grow up in a country of law-and-order, only to learn that Australia’s squeaky-clean reputation is based on fudged crime statistics, starting with crimes never investigated = crimes never happened, that Australia likely never had functional law-enforcement, that our most dangerous criminals are Victoria Police officers who aren’t just experts at how to avoid prosecution like all other police officers, but are also protected via an impenetrable cloak of secrecy thanks to section 194 of the IBAC Act.
I have lost so much to ongoing, devastating, unpunished crimes since 2009 (last unmissable cyber-crime about 10 minutes ago, last bikie visit to my home overnight) for no other reasons than a stalker IT Helpdesk Assistant at the Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC) adding me to his already extensive list of concurrent targets because I became an e-commerce world-champion in my postgrad studies while working as a Business Analyst the VEC in 2009, I have so very little left to lose, I might as well be that one Jew who fights back, risking awkward failure as her last act on Earth.
Peace is apparently the existence of justice, not just the absence of war. I am doing my bit for peace to have a chance in Australia.

Peter D
Peter D
10 months ago
Reply to  Katalin Kish

Be careful, I am sure the whistleblower protection has no teeth and is years out of date just like the Brisbane City Council

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago

outsourcing to the private sector is one of several measures designed to provide governments with plausible deniability by distancing themselves from policymaking and implementation processes

and

Where once political parties were anchored in civil society, a yawning “void” now exists between the rulers and those they rule. And it is into this void that an army of consultants have marched

describe the Australia we live in accurately.
One of the outcomes is the effortless re-election of politicians like Daniel Andrews, irrespective of their obvious failings, e.g. using Victoria Police to arrest old ladies during their permitted outdoor exercise time during Covid lock-downs, fire rubber bullets on unarmed* protesters etc.
Another outcome is Australia’s statutory and regulatory bodies existing for the illusion of law and order only.
In effect the IBAC** whose raison d’être is to investigate the misconduct of Victoria Police amongst others is so starved of both funds and power, they have to refer over 90% of complaints against Victoria Police – back to Victoria Police to investigate with predictable outcomes. And, section 194 of the IBAC Act allows Victoria Police to bypass their Freedom of Information obligations about their self-investigations, effectively providing them with an impenetrable cloak of secrecy – further enforcing decades’ old risk-free criminality.
Just how dangerous it is to have police lacking both, duty of care and accountability is so well hidden, I had no idea about Australia’s lawlessness 1988-2008 living within a 10 km radius of where a stalker coworker’s crimes against me started in 2009 in Melbourne. Last break-in that I know of on 13 April 2023. I gave up trying to report any crimes in 2018. People can live in Australia for many decades without ever finding out that our police manage crime statistics via terrorising crime witnesses and victims into silent oblivion, that murderous, violent thugs die from old age without any trouble no matter how many people witness their crimes.
The stalker has Victoria Police associates who show off their uniforms participating in his crimes – while Victoria Police force the victim to fight at court as an accused criminal in an admitted silencing attempt. The stalker had (still has?) unrestricted access to info e.g. the up-to-date whereabouts of people in witness protection via his IT Helpdesk Assistant job at the Victorian Electoral Commission.
Apologies for the personal aspects of this comment. As a public servant witness to crimes punishable by 10 years in jail/worse turned devastated victim of ongoing, unpunished crimes in a suburb of million $ homes in Melbourne, I am unable to carry the burden of silence.
* Protesters dispute claims of Victoria Police officers attacked. Many of the protesters had small children with them.
** Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
10 months ago

And this is why I left teaching and went into consultancy. Instead of being made the one to suffer policy I now get paid to create policy. If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
10 months ago

And this is why I left teaching and went into consultancy. Instead of being made the one to suffer policy I now get paid to create policy. If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
10 months ago

“But in Australia, even as the public service’s share of the workforce has shrunk since the Seventies, government spending’s share of GDP has increased. If neoliberalism isn’t to blame, what is?“

Wouldn’t this imply that farming core services out to the private sector isn’t as efficient or cost effective as it’s supporters claim?

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Efficiency or cost effectiveness aren’t the main driving forces. Plausible deniability is.

outsourcing to the private sector is one of several measures designed to provide governments with plausible deniability by distancing themselves from policymaking and implementation processes (from the article here)

The resulting incompetence would be hilarious, if the consequences weren’t so dire. See the statements of Clare O’Neil, Australia’s Minister for Cyber Security and for Home Affairs about 100 Australian experts to stop cyber-crime globally via hack-back, and Australia to become the world’s most cyber-secure country by 2030. I gave up reading her statements after seeing terms like “Indigenous ICT” and “culturally appropriate SOC” in LinkedIn. These statements make Australia not just a laughing stock, but also an obvious target for cyber-criminals worldwide.
Clare O’Neil as Minister for Cyber Security did not know until after the Optus and Medibank data-breaches in 2022 affecting about one third of Australia’s population, i.e. for around six months as Minister for Cyber Security, that

there was no functional cyber incident response mechanism within the Australian Government.

Clare O’Neil has been the MP for my electorate for more than a decade. She ignored my pleas for help when Victoria Police blocked my reporting attempts as a public servant witness to crimes punishable by 10 years in jail. Crimes I was blocked from reporting are not showing up in any statistics, criminals committing these crimes remain free to commit further/worse crimes.

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Efficiency or cost effectiveness aren’t the main driving forces. Plausible deniability is.

outsourcing to the private sector is one of several measures designed to provide governments with plausible deniability by distancing themselves from policymaking and implementation processes (from the article here)

The resulting incompetence would be hilarious, if the consequences weren’t so dire. See the statements of Clare O’Neil, Australia’s Minister for Cyber Security and for Home Affairs about 100 Australian experts to stop cyber-crime globally via hack-back, and Australia to become the world’s most cyber-secure country by 2030. I gave up reading her statements after seeing terms like “Indigenous ICT” and “culturally appropriate SOC” in LinkedIn. These statements make Australia not just a laughing stock, but also an obvious target for cyber-criminals worldwide.
Clare O’Neil as Minister for Cyber Security did not know until after the Optus and Medibank data-breaches in 2022 affecting about one third of Australia’s population, i.e. for around six months as Minister for Cyber Security, that

there was no functional cyber incident response mechanism within the Australian Government.

Clare O’Neil has been the MP for my electorate for more than a decade. She ignored my pleas for help when Victoria Police blocked my reporting attempts as a public servant witness to crimes punishable by 10 years in jail. Crimes I was blocked from reporting are not showing up in any statistics, criminals committing these crimes remain free to commit further/worse crimes.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
10 months ago

“But in Australia, even as the public service’s share of the workforce has shrunk since the Seventies, government spending’s share of GDP has increased. If neoliberalism isn’t to blame, what is?“

Wouldn’t this imply that farming core services out to the private sector isn’t as efficient or cost effective as it’s supporters claim?

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago

National security isn’t exempt from Australia’s absurd governing reality – Australia’s allies, beware.
I came across the below typical copy and paste consultant report paragraph in an article titled “Sharing Defence capability to mitigate national security risks” today, 10 July 2023. I worked as a consultant. I know a consultant report when I see one:

While different industries have individual goals, the reality is Australia as a whole is working towards a common goal, and what is needed is a shift from a top down approach to a horizontal outcomes focussed approach.

The article is about Australia’s national security.
Australia has no functional law-enforcementlikely never had. We have no FBI equivalent, we only have police officers, who never had either a duty of care or accountability, while always having a monopoly on what is a crime.
Any security is therefore a function of power in both physical and cyber-space. As our billionaire bikies keep flaunting,
in Australia might = right.
Crime-hiding is perfected to such levels, people can live decades in Australia without having any idea about Australia’s lawlessness. I lived within a 10km radius 1988-2008 from where a stalker coworker’s onslaught of unpunished crimes against me started in 2009, and knew nothing about bikies, drug-trafficking, Victoria Police officers openly participating in crimes in broad daylight without any risk of prosecution, tech far beyond what civilian experts know about being used to discredit witnesses of crimes, who cannot be terrorised into silence. Victoria Police aren’t the only corrupt ones in Australia of course.
Australia’s fake facade of law-and-order relies on police blocking even public servant witnesses’ reporting attempts of crimes punishable by 10 years in jail/worse, and, if the hapless public servant’s conscience cannot bear the burden of silence in spite of being ridiculed, humiliated, and terrorised, then forcing the crime witness to fight at court as an accused criminal in an admitted silencing attempt – the witness turned accused criminal being harassed 24×7 while being forced to fight at court, and Victoria Police adding entrapment attempts 2x to the mix for good measure.
There are of course a plethora of entities with lofty names virtue-signalling to the world how righteous Australia is, costing taxpayers billions each year. Having gone down every rabbit-hole 2009-2018 trying to at least have crimes I witnessed as a public servant on official record, I had to learn that all crime-related roads lead back to police: if police refuse to acknowledge that an act is a crime, the crime never happened. If police cannot block crime reporting, they routinely refuse/’miss’/’lose’/misinterpret evidence, and then close cases ‘due to insufficient evidence’lying about crimes they are unable to wriggle out of investigating – the Auditor General cynically declaring stats reliable, after listing several obvious reasons why the stats are not reliable.
The result is Australia’s fabulous crime-statics, with Melbourne and Sydney featuring in the top 10 most liveable cities in the world even in 2023Again.

Last edited 10 months ago by Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
10 months ago

National security isn’t exempt from Australia’s absurd governing reality – Australia’s allies, beware.
I came across the below typical copy and paste consultant report paragraph in an article titled “Sharing Defence capability to mitigate national security risks” today, 10 July 2023. I worked as a consultant. I know a consultant report when I see one:

While different industries have individual goals, the reality is Australia as a whole is working towards a common goal, and what is needed is a shift from a top down approach to a horizontal outcomes focussed approach.

The article is about Australia’s national security.
Australia has no functional law-enforcementlikely never had. We have no FBI equivalent, we only have police officers, who never had either a duty of care or accountability, while always having a monopoly on what is a crime.
Any security is therefore a function of power in both physical and cyber-space. As our billionaire bikies keep flaunting,
in Australia might = right.
Crime-hiding is perfected to such levels, people can live decades in Australia without having any idea about Australia’s lawlessness. I lived within a 10km radius 1988-2008 from where a stalker coworker’s onslaught of unpunished crimes against me started in 2009, and knew nothing about bikies, drug-trafficking, Victoria Police officers openly participating in crimes in broad daylight without any risk of prosecution, tech far beyond what civilian experts know about being used to discredit witnesses of crimes, who cannot be terrorised into silence. Victoria Police aren’t the only corrupt ones in Australia of course.
Australia’s fake facade of law-and-order relies on police blocking even public servant witnesses’ reporting attempts of crimes punishable by 10 years in jail/worse, and, if the hapless public servant’s conscience cannot bear the burden of silence in spite of being ridiculed, humiliated, and terrorised, then forcing the crime witness to fight at court as an accused criminal in an admitted silencing attempt – the witness turned accused criminal being harassed 24×7 while being forced to fight at court, and Victoria Police adding entrapment attempts 2x to the mix for good measure.
There are of course a plethora of entities with lofty names virtue-signalling to the world how righteous Australia is, costing taxpayers billions each year. Having gone down every rabbit-hole 2009-2018 trying to at least have crimes I witnessed as a public servant on official record, I had to learn that all crime-related roads lead back to police: if police refuse to acknowledge that an act is a crime, the crime never happened. If police cannot block crime reporting, they routinely refuse/’miss’/’lose’/misinterpret evidence, and then close cases ‘due to insufficient evidence’lying about crimes they are unable to wriggle out of investigating – the Auditor General cynically declaring stats reliable, after listing several obvious reasons why the stats are not reliable.
The result is Australia’s fabulous crime-statics, with Melbourne and Sydney featuring in the top 10 most liveable cities in the world even in 2023Again.

Last edited 10 months ago by Katalin Kish
Deb Grant
Deb Grant
10 months ago

Public services in Britain were dire, full of clock watching jobsworths who couldn’t be sacked and existed to spend budgets rather than increase efficiencies. Spending a lot of time in Australia, I believe that scenario also applied there.

A primary function of external consultancy projects should always be to do themselves out of a job by enabling clients to do theirs better.
Most consultants are higher calibre than the average public servant and have more varied experience. Few organisations can afford to put such people on the payroll. Consultants have seen more examples of good and bad practice across other organisations, can usually zero in on the issues quite quickly and know which of their previous solutions have worked best. To demonise consultancy and to say public servants could do it better is nonsense.

However, those allowing conflict of interest to occur on the public purse deserve to go out of business.

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
10 months ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

“Most consultants are higher calibre than the average public servant …”
I beg to differ. I had direct experience of working with a major management consultancy when I was employed in a senior public service position. The management consultants with whom we dealt were most certainly NOT higher calibre than the public servants with whom I worked. Many of the consultants (for whom we paid extortionate daily rates) were fresh out of university (typically Oxbridge/Ivy League) and knew nothing about our services and business models. They were arrogant, opinionated and generally ignorant and ill-informed about our business. We called them the ‘boys in short trousers’! Best of all, they relied on us to provide them with all the information and strategic vision material, then parcelled up our outputs in their own pathetic management speak and fashionable processes derived from MBA lectures; and charged our organisation huge amounts of money for the privilege. Apart from vast quantities of paperwork generated by the consultants’ demands for information and pretty ‘traffic light’ reports and impressive graphics, I don’t believe the organisation derived any long term benefit from the engagement with the consultancy, which certainly enjoyed a profitable relationship with us while it lasted.
I scrutinised their monthly statements very closely and on several occasions spotted claims for attendances at meeting that were false! I refused to signb these off. When these falsehoods (‘oh dear, errors!’) were pointed out the invoices were amended immediately without apology or explanation. They once invited all the service heads to dinner at a city restaurant, ostensibly to say ‘thank you’ for all the help they’d received in their work with the organisation – then incorporated a huge bill for the restaurant dinner in the next round of invoices. A generous ‘thank you’? – what a load of crap! I refused to attend the dinner as I smelled a rat.
The public sector uses management consultancy largely to distance itself from responsibility for strategic decisions – this is because top executives and the elected politicians to whom they are accountable desire to remain employed or in power – hence resorting to management consultants to cover their arses. And the cost of management consultancy in the public sector is gigantic. The consultancies are onto a good meal ticket!
I am sure there are good management consultants, just as there are poor public servants. But demonising public servants is no better than demonising consultancy.

Last edited 10 months ago by Julian Pellatt
Andrew H
Andrew H
10 months ago
Reply to  Julian Pellatt

Great comment

Andrew H
Andrew H
10 months ago
Reply to  Julian Pellatt

Great comment

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
10 months ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

Public services in Britain are still dire, except now they’re more expensive, still require vast government subsidies to function but have a wealthy elite creaming the funds off the top such as in the case of Thames Water and various rail companies. In my opinion leaving items such as utilities where you have a natural monopoly to the market simply doesn’t work. Ultimately the electricity coming into your house is coming from the same cable from the same power station whoever is clipping the ticket on route

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

One Paula Vennells , she of the infamous Post Office scandal has yet to answer for her behaviour.

Just one example of what a corrupt cesspit ‘progressive’ Britain has become.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
10 months ago

Yes, a disgraceful affair. No doubt we can look forward to an inquiry reporting on it in a couple of decades time when most of those involved are retired on handsome pensions or dead.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

My ‘spies’ tell me Vennells is flourishing in a senior position in the NHS!

Who would have guessed? And to think she was once a ‘woman’ of God!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

My ‘spies’ tell me Vennells is flourishing in a senior position in the NHS!

Who would have guessed? And to think she was once a ‘woman’ of God!

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
10 months ago

Yes, a disgraceful affair. No doubt we can look forward to an inquiry reporting on it in a couple of decades time when most of those involved are retired on handsome pensions or dead.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Private companies are only more efficient than public one’s if they have the spur and incentive of competition and clients who care about what they are buying. Unfortunately too many privatised utilities have a natural monopoly and where the client is a civil service department the incentive to get value for money may not be a priority.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

One Paula Vennells , she of the infamous Post Office scandal has yet to answer for her behaviour.

Just one example of what a corrupt cesspit ‘progressive’ Britain has become.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Private companies are only more efficient than public one’s if they have the spur and incentive of competition and clients who care about what they are buying. Unfortunately too many privatised utilities have a natural monopoly and where the client is a civil service department the incentive to get value for money may not be a priority.

Chess S
Chess S
10 months ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

The management of public services is pretty dire, but I don’t think that the private sector is much better. Working in healthcare in a government institution I have seen a number of reviews by the big 4 – well 3 of them at least – and they all demonstrated a complete lack ignorance of our purpose ie what we actually did, issued a report that suggested facile solutions to minor problems whilst ignoring the real ones. The reports were greeted with enthusiasm by our management and were then enacted in a half-@rsed manner resulting in a continuing deterioration in services and demoralisation of staff. Our management were quite capable of ruining the institution without the help of consultants, but the external reviews got them off the hook with their political masters and gave the illusion of change.

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
10 months ago
Reply to  Chess S

Well summarised!

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
10 months ago
Reply to  Chess S

Well summarised!

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
10 months ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

“Most consultants are higher calibre than the average public servant …”
I beg to differ. I had direct experience of working with a major management consultancy when I was employed in a senior public service position. The management consultants with whom we dealt were most certainly NOT higher calibre than the public servants with whom I worked. Many of the consultants (for whom we paid extortionate daily rates) were fresh out of university (typically Oxbridge/Ivy League) and knew nothing about our services and business models. They were arrogant, opinionated and generally ignorant and ill-informed about our business. We called them the ‘boys in short trousers’! Best of all, they relied on us to provide them with all the information and strategic vision material, then parcelled up our outputs in their own pathetic management speak and fashionable processes derived from MBA lectures; and charged our organisation huge amounts of money for the privilege. Apart from vast quantities of paperwork generated by the consultants’ demands for information and pretty ‘traffic light’ reports and impressive graphics, I don’t believe the organisation derived any long term benefit from the engagement with the consultancy, which certainly enjoyed a profitable relationship with us while it lasted.
I scrutinised their monthly statements very closely and on several occasions spotted claims for attendances at meeting that were false! I refused to signb these off. When these falsehoods (‘oh dear, errors!’) were pointed out the invoices were amended immediately without apology or explanation. They once invited all the service heads to dinner at a city restaurant, ostensibly to say ‘thank you’ for all the help they’d received in their work with the organisation – then incorporated a huge bill for the restaurant dinner in the next round of invoices. A generous ‘thank you’? – what a load of crap! I refused to attend the dinner as I smelled a rat.
The public sector uses management consultancy largely to distance itself from responsibility for strategic decisions – this is because top executives and the elected politicians to whom they are accountable desire to remain employed or in power – hence resorting to management consultants to cover their arses. And the cost of management consultancy in the public sector is gigantic. The consultancies are onto a good meal ticket!
I am sure there are good management consultants, just as there are poor public servants. But demonising public servants is no better than demonising consultancy.

Last edited 10 months ago by Julian Pellatt
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
10 months ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

Public services in Britain are still dire, except now they’re more expensive, still require vast government subsidies to function but have a wealthy elite creaming the funds off the top such as in the case of Thames Water and various rail companies. In my opinion leaving items such as utilities where you have a natural monopoly to the market simply doesn’t work. Ultimately the electricity coming into your house is coming from the same cable from the same power station whoever is clipping the ticket on route

Chess S
Chess S
10 months ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

The management of public services is pretty dire, but I don’t think that the private sector is much better. Working in healthcare in a government institution I have seen a number of reviews by the big 4 – well 3 of them at least – and they all demonstrated a complete lack ignorance of our purpose ie what we actually did, issued a report that suggested facile solutions to minor problems whilst ignoring the real ones. The reports were greeted with enthusiasm by our management and were then enacted in a half-@rsed manner resulting in a continuing deterioration in services and demoralisation of staff. Our management were quite capable of ruining the institution without the help of consultants, but the external reviews got them off the hook with their political masters and gave the illusion of change.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
10 months ago

Public services in Britain were dire, full of clock watching jobsworths who couldn’t be sacked and existed to spend budgets rather than increase efficiencies. Spending a lot of time in Australia, I believe that scenario also applied there.

A primary function of external consultancy projects should always be to do themselves out of a job by enabling clients to do theirs better.
Most consultants are higher calibre than the average public servant and have more varied experience. Few organisations can afford to put such people on the payroll. Consultants have seen more examples of good and bad practice across other organisations, can usually zero in on the issues quite quickly and know which of their previous solutions have worked best. To demonise consultancy and to say public servants could do it better is nonsense.

However, those allowing conflict of interest to occur on the public purse deserve to go out of business.

Andrew H
Andrew H
10 months ago

Very interesting but this all sounds pretty typical – just what we’ve come to expect from the huge consulting firms.

Andrew H
Andrew H
10 months ago

Very interesting but this all sounds pretty typical – just what we’ve come to expect from the huge consulting firms.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
10 months ago

ahhh Australia… world centre of culture and intellect…

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
10 months ago

ahhh Australia… world centre of culture and intellect…