Shortly after he got the England job, somebody on Twitter (and, as far as I can tell, nobody remembers who) said that Gareth Southgate resembled “an anteater gradually realising it isn’t supposed to be able to talk”. It’s a description that, for all the reams of copy subsequently produced about him, has yet to be equalled. Indeed, that was part of the charm of his first World Cup in 2018, when England, with an almost hysterical recognition that none of the usual rules seemed to apply any more, reached the semi-final.
There was something touchingly awkward about Southgate. He seemed shy and decent, his fabled waistcoat a totem of a nobler age as he probed at the boundaries of his role, recognising that this wasn’t just about getting a result against Tunisia or working out a way not to be terrible at penalties — that being England manager meant he could, perhaps should, play a social role.
By 2021, he had fully embraced this, writing an open letter in which he set out the “duty” of England players to “interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice”. Two years on, that letter has inspired James Graham’s play, Dear England, which launched at the National this week.
Football has a way of catching up with all managers. As Brian Clough’s great mentor Harry Storer observed, it is a game in which nobody ever says thank you. Successes are quickly forgotten; frustration the default mood. After leading England in three tournaments, there’s a background grumble of discontent around Southgate. He’s too defensive, too grey, too soft, pundits and fans complain; he needs to release the handbrake and let this unprecedented generation of attacking talent take wing. They must be unleashed. That he has overseen a level of achievement not enjoyed since the days of Alf Ramsey half a century ago, or that he has been in charge for 40% of all major knockout games ever won by England, is often ignored.
Southgate became England manager by mistake, which was greatly to his advantage. The England national team had been in a mess for a decade. Sven-Göran Eriksson had left after the Wag-fuelled hedonism and disappointment of the 2006 World Cup. Under Steve McClaren, England failed even to qualify for Euro 2008 — then the 2010 World Cup, under the Italian martinet Fabio Capello, was even worse than 2006. Roy Hodgson, with his accent from British gangster films of the Sixties, was a step back to traditional virtues. But nothing improved. The nadir came as they were eliminated from Euro 2016 by Iceland four days after the Brexit referendum.
“Fuck off, Europe, we voted out,” chanted fans, as Europe and the quarter-finals went on quite happily without England. Hodgson was replaced by Sam Allardyce who lasted 67 days before the Football Association panicked and forced him to resign following a Telegraph sting that amounted to very little, but did, thanks to the lighting on the footage produced by their secret cameras, seem to depict him drinking a pint of wine. Continental sophisticate he was not; and he never made any secret of his pro-Brexit leanings.
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SubscribeSouthgate’s fatal mistake was to assume that England players were booed for “taking the knee” because fans were racist. Notwithstanding the fact that there is a negligible contingent of racist fans (who will be racists until the day they die and are not proof of “systemic racism in football”), the players were booed for naively appropriating an American gesture they probably didn’t understand the historical context of, bringing politics into football, and engaging in pointless virtue signalling that ultimately exacerbated a problem that barely existed. That’s why fans booed, and Southgate should have dropped the kneeling nonsense, not doubled down by getting sanctimonious about it. Furthermore, the hypocrisy of playing in a tournament hosted in a country that, literally, criminalises homosexual activity, whilst waving their rainbow flags at home has rendered English football, for this former fan at any rate, completely unwatchable. The author of this piece also needs to update his facts about “the pandemic” (not the spread of a deadly virus but hysteria whipped up by pharma industry in collusion with big tech to increase profit) and “BLM” (not a civil rights, anti racist campaign but a Marxist-infiltrated operation to further an agenda and disrupt social cohesion). Finally, the deeply confused (or perhaps fence-sitting) author should perhaps pick a “side”. Either he believes “…it seems absurd to expect players to ‘stick to football’“, or he believes “… a football team is primarily a football team; it’s not a vehicle to drive social change.” Can’t have it both ways! He bizarrely concludes that “…football is in itself a political act.” No it’s not, it’s a game that used to give respite from the political theatre of the day. But as we creep towards a totalitarian society driven by the digitisation of everything and irradiation of nuanced opinion then, yes, everything becomes viewed through the political filter of what is “right think” and “wrong think”. Depressing times.
2020 – ‘HARRY KANE has confirmed England will take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement before playing Iceland.’
2021 – ‘Gareth Southgate tells England fans that players kneeling is anti-racism, not ‘political stand’’
And the blatant lies told by Southgate when he explained that kneeling was never a gesture of support for BLM made me lose all respect for him.
Just like he had no respect for the people he lied to.
Don’t lie to our faces and expect people to support you.
They were propagandised before our eyes… on so many issues. Dare we hope the tide is beginning to turn?
NO.
NO.
Rather like our “dearly beloved” BORIS then?
It’s not a “lie” – that’s what it means to him and most of the people making that gesture.
The usual hysterical and hyperbolic language is as usual on show here.
‘‘HARRY KANE has confirmed England will take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement before playing Iceland.’’
Which part of ‘take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement’ means not supporting the Black Lives Matter movement?
June 2020 ‘Gareth Southgate stated that the journey to change isn’t easy but movements like Black Lives Matter are the spark to introducing change in society.’
‘‘HARRY KANE has confirmed England will take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement before playing Iceland.’’
Which part of ‘take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement’ means not supporting the Black Lives Matter movement?
June 2020 ‘Gareth Southgate stated that the journey to change isn’t easy but movements like Black Lives Matter are the spark to introducing change in society.’
What would happen if an England player refused
Damnatio memoriae.
Lex Cornelia de hostibus rei publicae.
The second reference to Lucius Cornelius SULLA in 24 hours!
Things are looking up!
The second reference to Lucius Cornelius SULLA in 24 hours!
Things are looking up!
Lex Cornelia de hostibus rei publicae.
It might depend on the colour of his skin and the reason.
Damnatio memoriae.
It might depend on the colour of his skin and the reason.
Well said. For football fans, there is also another dread shadow – one that is just a rumour – one utterly impossible to prove it must be said. But imagine – what if he selected the three young black stars for penalties simply to have them be seen to deliver victory..and so seek to secure a Dream Diversity climax??? Saka had not taken ANY Pens. Rashford had barely been on. Their selection makes NO sense whatsover. It would have been so irresponsible toward these brave lads.
Ok – it might be that Drunk Jack and all the other senior players ran away and bottled it. But there are grounds for suspicion as their selection was bewildering. This shadow is exactly what can happen if you make social/progressive justice and the colour of players skin a central tenet of your sporting purpose. The very fact that this might have happened tells you everything that is wrong with his knee bending England.
Do you think Southgate is positioning himself to be a candidate for the lucrative BBC woke sinecure of presenter of Match of the Day , when Gary Lineker goes . Gary seems to be opening up the possibility of a white replacement by retrospectively redefining himself as black .
I must say I was shocked during the recent WC final penalty shootout when neither manager brought on 3 inexperienced Black teenagers to win it for diversity.
Genius!
Genius!
I assumed at the time that was what was happening and have not doubted it since.
Do you think Southgate is positioning himself to be a candidate for the lucrative BBC woke sinecure of presenter of Match of the Day , when Gary Lineker goes . Gary seems to be opening up the possibility of a white replacement by retrospectively redefining himself as black .
I must say I was shocked during the recent WC final penalty shootout when neither manager brought on 3 inexperienced Black teenagers to win it for diversity.
I assumed at the time that was what was happening and have not doubted it since.
Described above as a columnist for the guardian . As if we couldn’t guess
They were propagandised before our eyes… on so many issues. Dare we hope the tide is beginning to turn?
Rather like our “dearly beloved” BORIS then?
It’s not a “lie” – that’s what it means to him and most of the people making that gesture.
The usual hysterical and hyperbolic language is as usual on show here.
What would happen if an England player refused
Well said. For football fans, there is also another dread shadow – one that is just a rumour – one utterly impossible to prove it must be said. But imagine – what if he selected the three young black stars for penalties simply to have them be seen to deliver victory..and so seek to secure a Dream Diversity climax??? Saka had not taken ANY Pens. Rashford had barely been on. Their selection makes NO sense whatsover. It would have been so irresponsible toward these brave lads.
Ok – it might be that Drunk Jack and all the other senior players ran away and bottled it. But there are grounds for suspicion as their selection was bewildering. This shadow is exactly what can happen if you make social/progressive justice and the colour of players skin a central tenet of your sporting purpose. The very fact that this might have happened tells you everything that is wrong with his knee bending England.
Described above as a columnist for the guardian . As if we couldn’t guess
The England fans booed the players for “taking the knee” in many cases because of this ridiculous gesture’s association with the racist anti-white hate group Black Lives Matter. I think the fans were absolutely right to boo. As a white man I am sick of and disgusted by the relentless sniping against us because of our skin colour.
Along with the RAF desecrating the grave of Guy Gibson’s*dog, that “knee-bending’ charade was about the most revolting thing I have seen in many a year.
(* Wing Commander Guy Gibson, VC, DSO, a British ‘War Hero’ for US readers.)
Along with the RAF desecrating the grave of Guy Gibson’s*dog, that “knee-bending’ charade was about the most revolting thing I have seen in many a year.
(* Wing Commander Guy Gibson, VC, DSO, a British ‘War Hero’ for US readers.)
An excellent post.
Good response. Also I seem to recall the online abuse directed at the 3 players who missed penalties were tracked as mostly coming from Russia.
O tempora, o mores!
2020 – ‘HARRY KANE has confirmed England will take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement before playing Iceland.’
2021 – ‘Gareth Southgate tells England fans that players kneeling is anti-racism, not ‘political stand’’
And the blatant lies told by Southgate when he explained that kneeling was never a gesture of support for BLM made me lose all respect for him.
Just like he had no respect for the people he lied to.
Don’t lie to our faces and expect people to support you.
The England fans booed the players for “taking the knee” in many cases because of this ridiculous gesture’s association with the racist anti-white hate group Black Lives Matter. I think the fans were absolutely right to boo. As a white man I am sick of and disgusted by the relentless sniping against us because of our skin colour.
An excellent post.
Good response. Also I seem to recall the online abuse directed at the 3 players who missed penalties were tracked as mostly coming from Russia.
O tempora, o mores!
Southgate’s fatal mistake was to assume that England players were booed for “taking the knee” because fans were racist. Notwithstanding the fact that there is a negligible contingent of racist fans (who will be racists until the day they die and are not proof of “systemic racism in football”), the players were booed for naively appropriating an American gesture they probably didn’t understand the historical context of, bringing politics into football, and engaging in pointless virtue signalling that ultimately exacerbated a problem that barely existed. That’s why fans booed, and Southgate should have dropped the kneeling nonsense, not doubled down by getting sanctimonious about it. Furthermore, the hypocrisy of playing in a tournament hosted in a country that, literally, criminalises homosexual activity, whilst waving their rainbow flags at home has rendered English football, for this former fan at any rate, completely unwatchable. The author of this piece also needs to update his facts about “the pandemic” (not the spread of a deadly virus but hysteria whipped up by pharma industry in collusion with big tech to increase profit) and “BLM” (not a civil rights, anti racist campaign but a Marxist-infiltrated operation to further an agenda and disrupt social cohesion). Finally, the deeply confused (or perhaps fence-sitting) author should perhaps pick a “side”. Either he believes “…it seems absurd to expect players to ‘stick to football’“, or he believes “… a football team is primarily a football team; it’s not a vehicle to drive social change.” Can’t have it both ways! He bizarrely concludes that “…football is in itself a political act.” No it’s not, it’s a game that used to give respite from the political theatre of the day. But as we creep towards a totalitarian society driven by the digitisation of everything and irradiation of nuanced opinion then, yes, everything becomes viewed through the political filter of what is “right think” and “wrong think”. Depressing times.
My word. Where to start. Football “a game where nobody says thank you”. Ferguson (Manchester United), Guardiola (Manchester City), Maradonna (Napoli), Ranieri (Leicester), Simeone (Athletico Madrid) to name but a few from the last decade have all been, rightly, lavished with gratitude by their clubs. In the international arena the World Cup winning team of 1966 are always held in high esteem by England fans and more recently other countries who come home with trophies are lauded by their own nations as heroes. Why could this be? The author doesn’t grapple with this because it doesn’t fit his narrative.
The fact is that for all the sophistry of statistics we have never won a tournament under Southgate, even when we were favourites to do so, even from a winning position, even when we had home advantage. Simon Jordan has it right when he says that we have never beaten a team we weren’t expected to beat in a knockout game – Ukraine, Columbia, Denmark, Sweden, a poor German side who were getting caned in their own media during the tournament. We have lost to Croatia (truly a golden generation) 2018, Italy (who no one expected to make the final) 2020 and France (perennially top-notch) last time who all had weaknesses which were not exploited – neither Croatia nor France won the tournament remember. It is these facts along with other, more mercurial ones; other teams seem to change things with substitutions, other teams are not as cautious, other teams don’t choke when the pressure is on, that explain why Southgate is set to be a footnote in history. The very “niceness” which he embodies was perfectly encapsulated by a challenge on Saka by an italian defender (I want to say Chielini) in the Euro final, bringing down the younger, quicker man, rugby-style when he got turned on the half-way line and knew he couldn’t keep up. Ruthless, legitimate and tactically sound in spite of the howls from the english commentators. He mentions young players missing penalties without damning the senior professionals who deigned not to step up for fear of their own “Southgate moment”.
Unfortunately with Southgate at the helm England have been experiencing their own calcified Southgate moment for the last 3 tournaments – he was never the best player and he is now not the best manager. If England want the best then they need to hire the best (it’s not like the FA can’t afford it). But then they have got an inside yes-man who won’t rock the boat too much who is also english and keeps the players happy (for all the good that does).He says it is a good thing that the players are humble. Why shouldn’t they be? He says they are proud to represent their country. Why should this even be necessary to state?
On the politics I have been going too long already, suffice to say that at the first whiff of push-back from FIFA over highlighting the terrible gay rights issues in Qatar the whole team (and captain especially) caved and thought better to criticise our own country where we will face no sanctions. That’s not bravery and a lot of gay fans felt thrown under the bus. On the current crop of players’ charitable activity they are paid an obscene amount of money for playing a game – two decades ago this was not the case. The comparison with bankers (who run the economy) and utilities executive (who we wouldn’t last 5 minutes without – see South Africa) is risible and could only be written by a Guardian columnist. The links to Brexit are cope – one could say that England’s relative success has all come, you guessed it, in a post-Brexit nation more at ease with the sense of ourselves and our place in the world with players of British, Irish, European and non-European heritage who are all playing a more markedly more liberated way than the straight-jacketed stumbling of the EU years.
Still, roll on the Ashes!
Synopsis: never mind how crap anyone is at their job, just feel how open, thoughtful and tolerant they are!
You can see why mediocre Oxbridge graduates might be very keen on woke.
Correct. What utter tosh. Southgate is a C grade timid defensive tactician who in successive big games – despite having the best squad in Europe – has been found to be totally out thought by the likes of Mancini. He simply froze like Bambi when they made changes. His activism and in particular his naive and toxic embrace of the BLM movement was similarly weak and destructive. Let’s see what big clubs offer him jobs when he finally – please God – quits the stage. Clue – none will.
As I see it, anyone but England
Upvote for this in particular:
“His activism and in particular his naive and toxic embrace of the BLM movement was similarly weak and destructive.”
As I see it, anyone but England
Upvote for this in particular:
“His activism and in particular his naive and toxic embrace of the BLM movement was similarly weak and destructive.”
Correct. What utter tosh. Southgate is a C grade timid defensive tactician who in successive big games – despite having the best squad in Europe – has been found to be totally out thought by the likes of Mancini. He simply froze like Bambi when they made changes. His activism and in particular his naive and toxic embrace of the BLM movement was similarly weak and destructive. Let’s see what big clubs offer him jobs when he finally – please God – quits the stage. Clue – none will.
Yep. Southgate has had amazing fortune with draws. I bet Sven wish had some of that luck. His best tournament with England, the 2002 world cup saw us up against Brazil in the quarters and history will view that as one of the very best international teams of all time. Southgate has been knocked out by a very talented but beatable Croatia, a fairly average Italy (didn’t even make the world cup) and France side ravaged by injuries.
Southgates tournament performances could have done better but overall are the best since Ramsay..Luck is the biggest factor in tournaments and Sven was unlucky in 2004. In 2002 he played with 2 half fit players Beckham and Owen which meant they ran out of steam in every 2 nd half .He had options.In 2006 England were dire in every game except when they went down to 10 men against Portugal.Some of the best overall England performances have matches which they lost.Apart from the German ones in 1970 1990 and 1996 and Portugal in 2004 & 2006 there was the 1988 defeat to the Netherlands and the 1998 loss to Argentina . .
Southgates tournament performances could have done better but overall are the best since Ramsay..Luck is the biggest factor in tournaments and Sven was unlucky in 2004. In 2002 he played with 2 half fit players Beckham and Owen which meant they ran out of steam in every 2 nd half .He had options.In 2006 England were dire in every game except when they went down to 10 men against Portugal.Some of the best overall England performances have matches which they lost.Apart from the German ones in 1970 1990 and 1996 and Portugal in 2004 & 2006 there was the 1988 defeat to the Netherlands and the 1998 loss to Argentina . .
The sad fact is that Southgate is a disaster. In every crucial match, the English team loose in penalty shootouts, and why Southgate always choses players who have chocked multiple times in penalty shoutouts is beyond me.
Isn’t it well known that management generally tends to chose those like themselves rather than effective people with talents they lack.
Isn’t it well known that management generally tends to chose those like themselves rather than effective people with talents they lack.
“Obscene amounts of money” – this is a strong value judgement but I’m not sure what relevance this has to Southgate. Your defence of the utility rentier plutocrats who provide such a mediocre service is laughable.
What people are worth is what those paying the tune think they are worth.
Taking words out of context: “…for playing a game”. I didn’t make a defece of the utilities execs’ pay, just said that in a sane country it might be worth paying those who keep the lights on more than footballers.
Your last statement is just terrible and you should really reassess your values if you believe what you say to be true.
Taking words out of context: “…for playing a game”. I didn’t make a defece of the utilities execs’ pay, just said that in a sane country it might be worth paying those who keep the lights on more than footballers.
Your last statement is just terrible and you should really reassess your values if you believe what you say to be true.
“lot of gay fans felt thrown under the bus”
I am bored of this.
Countries like Qatar are horribly racist against South Asians (that’s why they didn’t care about dead construction workers) and hostile against Hindus. It’s also the kind of country where I would be uncomfortable about being out with my wife.
But you wouldn’t expect some footballers to whine and moan on my behalf.
I just stay away from there, and be grateful that both India (my original country) and Britain (my adopted one) are both much more tolerable, liberal and diverse.
“players’ charitable activity they are paid an obscene amount of money for playing a game”
And players like Rashford seem to have no gratitude for the financial support his family received, while the father of his family of four kids went missing.
And I haven’t seen St Rashford confirm that he doesn’t use tax avoidance schemes to get away from paying his fair share.
Synopsis: never mind how crap anyone is at their job, just feel how open, thoughtful and tolerant they are!
You can see why mediocre Oxbridge graduates might be very keen on woke.
Yep. Southgate has had amazing fortune with draws. I bet Sven wish had some of that luck. His best tournament with England, the 2002 world cup saw us up against Brazil in the quarters and history will view that as one of the very best international teams of all time. Southgate has been knocked out by a very talented but beatable Croatia, a fairly average Italy (didn’t even make the world cup) and France side ravaged by injuries.
The sad fact is that Southgate is a disaster. In every crucial match, the English team loose in penalty shootouts, and why Southgate always choses players who have chocked multiple times in penalty shoutouts is beyond me.
“Obscene amounts of money” – this is a strong value judgement but I’m not sure what relevance this has to Southgate. Your defence of the utility rentier plutocrats who provide such a mediocre service is laughable.
What people are worth is what those paying the tune think they are worth.
“lot of gay fans felt thrown under the bus”
I am bored of this.
Countries like Qatar are horribly racist against South Asians (that’s why they didn’t care about dead construction workers) and hostile against Hindus. It’s also the kind of country where I would be uncomfortable about being out with my wife.
But you wouldn’t expect some footballers to whine and moan on my behalf.
I just stay away from there, and be grateful that both India (my original country) and Britain (my adopted one) are both much more tolerable, liberal and diverse.
“players’ charitable activity they are paid an obscene amount of money for playing a game”
And players like Rashford seem to have no gratitude for the financial support his family received, while the father of his family of four kids went missing.
And I haven’t seen St Rashford confirm that he doesn’t use tax avoidance schemes to get away from paying his fair share.
My word. Where to start. Football “a game where nobody says thank you”. Ferguson (Manchester United), Guardiola (Manchester City), Maradonna (Napoli), Ranieri (Leicester), Simeone (Athletico Madrid) to name but a few from the last decade have all been, rightly, lavished with gratitude by their clubs. In the international arena the World Cup winning team of 1966 are always held in high esteem by England fans and more recently other countries who come home with trophies are lauded by their own nations as heroes. Why could this be? The author doesn’t grapple with this because it doesn’t fit his narrative.
The fact is that for all the sophistry of statistics we have never won a tournament under Southgate, even when we were favourites to do so, even from a winning position, even when we had home advantage. Simon Jordan has it right when he says that we have never beaten a team we weren’t expected to beat in a knockout game – Ukraine, Columbia, Denmark, Sweden, a poor German side who were getting caned in their own media during the tournament. We have lost to Croatia (truly a golden generation) 2018, Italy (who no one expected to make the final) 2020 and France (perennially top-notch) last time who all had weaknesses which were not exploited – neither Croatia nor France won the tournament remember. It is these facts along with other, more mercurial ones; other teams seem to change things with substitutions, other teams are not as cautious, other teams don’t choke when the pressure is on, that explain why Southgate is set to be a footnote in history. The very “niceness” which he embodies was perfectly encapsulated by a challenge on Saka by an italian defender (I want to say Chielini) in the Euro final, bringing down the younger, quicker man, rugby-style when he got turned on the half-way line and knew he couldn’t keep up. Ruthless, legitimate and tactically sound in spite of the howls from the english commentators. He mentions young players missing penalties without damning the senior professionals who deigned not to step up for fear of their own “Southgate moment”.
Unfortunately with Southgate at the helm England have been experiencing their own calcified Southgate moment for the last 3 tournaments – he was never the best player and he is now not the best manager. If England want the best then they need to hire the best (it’s not like the FA can’t afford it). But then they have got an inside yes-man who won’t rock the boat too much who is also english and keeps the players happy (for all the good that does).He says it is a good thing that the players are humble. Why shouldn’t they be? He says they are proud to represent their country. Why should this even be necessary to state?
On the politics I have been going too long already, suffice to say that at the first whiff of push-back from FIFA over highlighting the terrible gay rights issues in Qatar the whole team (and captain especially) caved and thought better to criticise our own country where we will face no sanctions. That’s not bravery and a lot of gay fans felt thrown under the bus. On the current crop of players’ charitable activity they are paid an obscene amount of money for playing a game – two decades ago this was not the case. The comparison with bankers (who run the economy) and utilities executive (who we wouldn’t last 5 minutes without – see South Africa) is risible and could only be written by a Guardian columnist. The links to Brexit are cope – one could say that England’s relative success has all come, you guessed it, in a post-Brexit nation more at ease with the sense of ourselves and our place in the world with players of British, Irish, European and non-European heritage who are all playing a more markedly more liberated way than the straight-jacketed stumbling of the EU years.
Still, roll on the Ashes!
Wow. That was a frustrating read. Though, probably the strongest case that could be made for Southgate. The author does not address GS’s critics’ arguments well, or at all.
No consideration given to the downsides of speaking out on contentious social issues. No recognition given to the fact that working class fellas are being lectured to by millionaires in yet another aspect of their lives which was once a bit of a sanctuary for them.
I don’t think Southgate’s liberal principles are the issue, it’s his progressivism that is. I see enough of these types at my office. They usually mean well, but know little, and their preaching and self-righteousness offends the people who know better.
“But perhaps that is understandable: a football team is primarily a football team; it’s not a vehicle to drive social change.”
So his critics are *right* then?!
I could go on and on!
I’m surprised the author didn’t explicitly blame Brexit for Southgate’s failure to win anything (ever).
This was written by a sports correspondent for ‘The Guardian’, what did you expect?
Agreed. Contrast “a football team [is] not a vehicle to drive social change” with the statement later on that “it seems absurd to expect players to “stick to football””. Pick one.
I’m surprised the author didn’t explicitly blame Brexit for Southgate’s failure to win anything (ever).
This was written by a sports correspondent for ‘The Guardian’, what did you expect?
Agreed. Contrast “a football team [is] not a vehicle to drive social change” with the statement later on that “it seems absurd to expect players to “stick to football””. Pick one.
Wow. That was a frustrating read. Though, probably the strongest case that could be made for Southgate. The author does not address GS’s critics’ arguments well, or at all.
No consideration given to the downsides of speaking out on contentious social issues. No recognition given to the fact that working class fellas are being lectured to by millionaires in yet another aspect of their lives which was once a bit of a sanctuary for them.
I don’t think Southgate’s liberal principles are the issue, it’s his progressivism that is. I see enough of these types at my office. They usually mean well, but know little, and their preaching and self-righteousness offends the people who know better.
“But perhaps that is understandable: a football team is primarily a football team; it’s not a vehicle to drive social change.”
So his critics are *right* then?!
I could go on and on!
Ironically, on one hand they were pretending that blacks are “victims” in a country where 3% of blacks are 33% of footy players.
On the other hand, none of these were much concerned about a much bigger Indian / South Asian community having almost no representation in the EPL or national team.
Now, as an Indian origin, I am really happy about that. There is very little real racism in Britain, and if Indians progress (as they have in sat medicine, IT or academia) should be by their own efforts, not “diversity”.
But it does show you how two faced, moronic and genuinely racist these so called “anti racists” are.
Ironically, on one hand they were pretending that blacks are “victims” in a country where 3% of blacks are 33% of footy players.
On the other hand, none of these were much concerned about a much bigger Indian / South Asian community having almost no representation in the EPL or national team.
Now, as an Indian origin, I am really happy about that. There is very little real racism in Britain, and if Indians progress (as they have in sat medicine, IT or academia) should be by their own efforts, not “diversity”.
But it does show you how two faced, moronic and genuinely racist these so called “anti racists” are.
I loathe all spectator sports, with the obvious exception of women’s beach volleyball (or should that be “non-men’s beach volleyball” in wokespeak?). The assertion “there has been an increasing willingness to speak out on political issues” made me choke on my meusli. Pro footballers only speak out on soft (but worthy) issues, such as school meals for kids. And they do so on the advice of their image consultants.(Marcus Rashford is with the Huxley PR agency.)
The problem with pretending that a sports team is an “avatar of a more diverse England” is that it seriously backfires when the team proves to be mediocre. And what about the England women’s football team (Ooops, sorry, I meant to say the England non-men’s football team)? They are (a) successful, (b) all white and (c) don’t pretend to be an avatar.
I loathe all spectator sports, with the obvious exception of women’s beach volleyball (or should that be “non-men’s beach volleyball” in wokespeak?). The assertion “there has been an increasing willingness to speak out on political issues” made me choke on my meusli. Pro footballers only speak out on soft (but worthy) issues, such as school meals for kids. And they do so on the advice of their image consultants.(Marcus Rashford is with the Huxley PR agency.)
The problem with pretending that a sports team is an “avatar of a more diverse England” is that it seriously backfires when the team proves to be mediocre. And what about the England women’s football team (Ooops, sorry, I meant to say the England non-men’s football team)? They are (a) successful, (b) all white and (c) don’t pretend to be an avatar.
‘And this is one of the ironies of football: it still has huge issues with race, both in terms of abuse from the terraces and of representation in the dugout, in the boardroom and in the press-box. ‘
And , of course, in the wives and girlfriends that the multiracial England football players choose.
If you are Black, the chance of becoming a wife or girlfriend of an England football player is very small, Are the players racist? I can’t possibly comment.
‘And this is one of the ironies of football: it still has huge issues with race, both in terms of abuse from the terraces and of representation in the dugout, in the boardroom and in the press-box. ‘
And , of course, in the wives and girlfriends that the multiracial England football players choose.
If you are Black, the chance of becoming a wife or girlfriend of an England football player is very small, Are the players racist? I can’t possibly comment.
Just a small point.
I read a comment somewhere where the poster asked ” how can you possibly expect to win a game when you start from your knees ? ”
People who took the knee in deference to a serial criminal are not men but curs.
Too kind sir, too kind.
Good comment, but would you mind in future quarantining the ridiculous phrase “taking the knee” inside quote marks.
Too kind sir, too kind.
Good comment, but would you mind in future quarantining the ridiculous phrase “taking the knee” inside quote marks.
Just a small point.
I read a comment somewhere where the poster asked ” how can you possibly expect to win a game when you start from your knees ? ”
People who took the knee in deference to a serial criminal are not men but curs.
Football is a silly game and we should pay no attention to the political views of its practitioners. The only footballer I have any time for is Eric Cantona, for the kung-fu kick and the brilliantly self-effacing beer adverts.
And a very onomatopoeic name!
And a very onomatopoeic name!
Football is a silly game and we should pay no attention to the political views of its practitioners. The only footballer I have any time for is Eric Cantona, for the kung-fu kick and the brilliantly self-effacing beer adverts.
“Taking the knee” has completely turned me off football. I haven’t watched a game in about two years. I know Man City won the treble, and that Haarland scored lots of goals for them, but I haven’t seen a single one of his goals.
“Taking the knee” has completely turned me off football. I haven’t watched a game in about two years. I know Man City won the treble, and that Haarland scored lots of goals for them, but I haven’t seen a single one of his goals.
Southgate is a woke beta- male and has no business leading a national sports team. He is everything that is wrong with Britain today.
Southgate is a woke beta- male and has no business leading a national sports team. He is everything that is wrong with Britain today.
Never says thank you? Alex Ferguson became a Knight of the Realm, a wealthy man with a stand named after him at the ground. You just have to be good enough in a ruthlessly competitive environment.
Never says thank you? Alex Ferguson became a Knight of the Realm, a wealthy man with a stand named after him at the ground. You just have to be good enough in a ruthlessly competitive environment.
England simply aren’t good enough. Like most things in this country, England players suffer from the dominance of financialisation of anything and everything, the constant squeezing of the least dribble of profit from every level and phase of the game.
It doesn’t help in the slightest that the game’s management have drunk the diversity Kool Aid, while their supporters certainly haven’t. You couldn’t be less politically correct than Wayne Rooney or Paul Gascoigne, Vinnie Jones or Alan Shearer, but they are far closer to the terraces than Southgate or Lineker.
England simply aren’t good enough. Like most things in this country, England players suffer from the dominance of financialisation of anything and everything, the constant squeezing of the least dribble of profit from every level and phase of the game.
It doesn’t help in the slightest that the game’s management have drunk the diversity Kool Aid, while their supporters certainly haven’t. You couldn’t be less politically correct than Wayne Rooney or Paul Gascoigne, Vinnie Jones or Alan Shearer, but they are far closer to the terraces than Southgate or Lineker.
How very depressing, but cheer up we’re about to give the Aussies a ‘damned good thrashing in the ‘Ashes’.
I notice the Australians are growing increasingly frustrated with their preachy, woke young cricket team who want to save the planet (etc). So I hope they lose very, very badly indeed.
Ben Stokes Esq is just the man to administer it!
Providing his non-bending knee stands up to it!
Providing his non-bending knee stands up to it!
Ben Stokes Esq is just the man to administer it!
Looking forward to it, but not as confident as you.
Glad the first test is at Edgbaston. Throw the Aussies in the bear pit.
Glad the first test is at Edgbaston. Throw the Aussies in the bear pit.
Unlikely I think. Admirably English to be over-optimistic going into a major sports event though (though we seem to have lost some of that with football in the past 10 years and downplayed expectations quite successfully).
Exciting first day. Stokes’ declaration was out of left field, even for him.
Agreed and also a little baffled!
Agreed and also a little baffled!
I notice the Australians are growing increasingly frustrated with their preachy, woke young cricket team who want to save the planet (etc). So I hope they lose very, very badly indeed.
Looking forward to it, but not as confident as you.
Unlikely I think. Admirably English to be over-optimistic going into a major sports event though (though we seem to have lost some of that with football in the past 10 years and downplayed expectations quite successfully).
Exciting first day. Stokes’ declaration was out of left field, even for him.
How very depressing, but cheer up we’re about to give the Aussies a ‘damned good thrashing in the ‘Ashes’.
The article claims that football still has “huge issues with race” including in terms of “abuse from the terraces”. That may be true in certain countries, but no longer in England. And this article is specifically about England and football
The article claims that football still has “huge issues with race” including in terms of “abuse from the terraces”. That may be true in certain countries, but no longer in England. And this article is specifically about England and football
What are his ‘liberal principles’ ? The writer seems to be using ‘liberal’ to mean something like ‘left wing ‘
What are his ‘liberal principles’ ? The writer seems to be using ‘liberal’ to mean something like ‘left wing ‘
the man is an illiterate thicko
the man is an illiterate thicko
I love Southgate. He single-handedly reinvigorated my interest in the England team
I love Southgate. He single-handedly reinvigorated my interest in the England team