If one looks at a list of the world’s most authoritarian countries , they are distributed amongst Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
Their authoritarian nature is derived from three main sources: having communist governments , having high religiosity that permeates into government and corrupt kleptocracies common in Africa. None of these are related to Capitalism.
The creeping authoritarianism in the West is coming from the anti-capitalist Left. It is they that ban, shutdown and criminalise dissenting opinion. They that try to destroy the lives of dissidents of their dogma.They that want ever more state intervention to control and regulate our lives,
Our society has suffered a degredation in morality, a conscious destruction of the traditional family and gender roles, the pernicious adoption of moral relativism and the demonisation of national group identity. But the culprit is not Capitalism; it is the destructive, malign force of Progressivism.
You have said all true things, but there is one problem. Progress from what? From family values? Where do those come from? I would argue that what is lacking is an epistemological foundation for those values. Which, in the West, particularly the Anglosphere, that came from biblical Christianity.
Therefore, as Christianity declines, so the West declines. Because cultures need accepted common universal truth (the epistemological foundations) upon which to build particular truths. (particular ethics and values). With postmodernism we canāt even agree universally on what a man or a woman is, and this is a problem. A problem which leads to chaos.
When I say Christianity, many people think of the morals of Christianity, the 10 commandments. For much of the last century in America at least, there was an assumption that you could hollow out Christianity of Christ and apply the values of it. To some degree it worked. Making it less distinct made it capable of being applied more broadly without offending too many people. If people just wanted nice communities with people acting honestly, working hard, and doing unto others as they would have done unto them, then the non-distinct mile-wide and inch-deep Christianity worked for a time…
However, over time, this degraded. As Missionalism and Transformationalism became valued in the Christian megachurch model, politicians such as Obama found that they could pitch the same sort of hope for building a better earthly city and bringing justice in the land through secular political means.
Therefore, as Christianity became less about salvation from our sins, and eternal life in the world to come, and more about transforming the city, and bringing social justice in the here and now, this became a movement ripe for political advancement of fundamental transformation. It was a movement that could get results much faster, with the power of the government behind it, and it often had the blessings and spiritual cover of pastors from the Missional movement.
Now, at this point, this insider movment appears to have helped put the death nail into Christianity informing broader culture, because for too many, itās just another voice of moralism in the culture wars. Stripped of the life changing gospel of the free gift of righteousness (Ro 5:17), and eternal life, modern Christianity really is just another moral reform movement, and therefore I would argue, one that is stripped of its divine power to change hearts. God works from the word preached, not indistinct blobs of words, but preached with understanding, for the purpose of the salvation of all who believe and put thier hope in Christ and his saving work on their behalf.
Religion doesn’t automatically mean a belief in the family. There are plenty of religious boarding schools where children are removed from the influence of their parents and put in the hands of priests and nuns, many of whom are not paedophiles. Likewise for those who can’t pay there are religious children’s homes. In Ireland the Church was desperate to drag single mothers from their families and turn them into slaves.
Religion doesn’t automatically mean a belief in the family. There are plenty of religious boarding schools where children are removed from the influence of their parents and put in the hands of priests and nuns, many of whom are not paedophiles. Likewise for those who can’t pay there are religious children’s homes. In Ireland the Church was desperate to drag single mothers from their families and turn them into slaves.
Correct Marcus.
The model of modernity where we are all going to be able to rationalise everything to its core and deconstruct our drives and impulses to the pull of a hormone here and some psycho babble there is flawed.
People are flawed, we need context into which sits the human spirit – nation, god, country and definitely family, whatever construct the individual leaned into has always provided these. Historically this can be pretty ugly too but itās an integral part of the human condition.
If you want to do the socialist administration of man gig it gets even worse.
Nihilism leads to some pretty unreal horrors in the gulag.
You have said all true things, but there is one problem. Progress from what? From family values? Where do those come from? I would argue that what is lacking is an epistemological foundation for those values. Which, in the West, particularly the Anglosphere, that came from biblical Christianity.
Therefore, as Christianity declines, so the West declines. Because cultures need accepted common universal truth (the epistemological foundations) upon which to build particular truths. (particular ethics and values). With postmodernism we canāt even agree universally on what a man or a woman is, and this is a problem. A problem which leads to chaos.
When I say Christianity, many people think of the morals of Christianity, the 10 commandments. For much of the last century in America at least, there was an assumption that you could hollow out Christianity of Christ and apply the values of it. To some degree it worked. Making it less distinct made it capable of being applied more broadly without offending too many people. If people just wanted nice communities with people acting honestly, working hard, and doing unto others as they would have done unto them, then the non-distinct mile-wide and inch-deep Christianity worked for a time…
However, over time, this degraded. As Missionalism and Transformationalism became valued in the Christian megachurch model, politicians such as Obama found that they could pitch the same sort of hope for building a better earthly city and bringing justice in the land through secular political means.
Therefore, as Christianity became less about salvation from our sins, and eternal life in the world to come, and more about transforming the city, and bringing social justice in the here and now, this became a movement ripe for political advancement of fundamental transformation. It was a movement that could get results much faster, with the power of the government behind it, and it often had the blessings and spiritual cover of pastors from the Missional movement.
Now, at this point, this insider movment appears to have helped put the death nail into Christianity informing broader culture, because for too many, itās just another voice of moralism in the culture wars. Stripped of the life changing gospel of the free gift of righteousness (Ro 5:17), and eternal life, modern Christianity really is just another moral reform movement, and therefore I would argue, one that is stripped of its divine power to change hearts. God works from the word preached, not indistinct blobs of words, but preached with understanding, for the purpose of the salvation of all who believe and put thier hope in Christ and his saving work on their behalf.
Correct Marcus.
The model of modernity where we are all going to be able to rationalise everything to its core and deconstruct our drives and impulses to the pull of a hormone here and some psycho babble there is flawed.
People are flawed, we need context into which sits the human spirit – nation, god, country and definitely family, whatever construct the individual leaned into has always provided these. Historically this can be pretty ugly too but itās an integral part of the human condition.
If you want to do the socialist administration of man gig it gets even worse.
Nihilism leads to some pretty unreal horrors in the gulag.
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Marcus Leach
1 year ago
If one looks at a list of the world’s most authoritarian countries , they are distributed amongst Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
Their authoritarian nature is derived from three main sources: having communist governments , having high religiosity that permeates into government and corrupt kleptocracies common in Africa. None of these are related to Capitalism.
The creeping authoritarianism in the West is coming from the anti-capitalist Left. It is they that ban, shutdown and criminalise dissenting opinion. They that try to destroy the lives of dissidents of their dogma.They that want ever more state intervention to control and regulate our lives,
Our society has suffered a degredation in morality, a conscious destruction of the traditional family and gender roles, the pernicious adoption of moral relativism and the demonisation of national group identity. But the culprit is not Capitalism; it is the destructive, malign force of Progressivism.
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Nick Hallam
1 year ago
The commissioning editors at Unherd are probably too young to remember Eagleton in his pomp. Had they been around to see his antics in the 80s and 90s, they would have loathed him with all their hearts. His books – huge selling primers of ‘theory’ for the hundreds of thousands of young and ignorant students being pumped into the humanities ( I was one) – were deliberate, vicious, smart-alec underminings of literary tradition. It was immensely demoralising. His schtick was to relativise the great achievements of the past – they were the falsely conscious productions of bourgeois ideology. No need to take them seriously. The revolution would provide something better. Like all Marxist midwits, he assumed that his own preferences were somehow immune from his own critique.
And here he is, still bleating. You did it, mate. This is the cheap and empty world people like you did your best to create. I hope the cash has made it palatable. People like Eagleton left the culture defenceless. I imagine that no single person has done more harm to the intellectual life of this country than this guy. Nobody did more to cultivate the ‘nihilistic wasteland’. This is not hindsight. The editors at UnHerd should look at reviews of Eagleton by Eric Griffiths in the TLS in the 90s. He was a known huckster, offering only the empty and the cheap. He should not be permitted to launder his reputation now.
Thank you Mister Hallam, I do remember him from sociology lessons in the late ’80s, my ‘Millie Tant’ style lecturer was in thrall to the man. In any case, your takedown and other comments below the line are infinitely better, and more amusing, than Eagleton’s predictable rambling.
Thank you Mister Hallam, I do remember him from sociology lessons in the late ’80s, my ‘Millie Tant’ style lecturer was in thrall to the man. In any case, your takedown and other comments below the line are infinitely better, and more amusing, than Eagleton’s predictable rambling.
The commissioning editors at Unherd are probably too young to remember Eagleton in his pomp. Had they been around to see his antics in the 80s and 90s, they would have loathed him with all their hearts. His books – huge selling primers of ‘theory’ for the hundreds of thousands of young and ignorant students being pumped into the humanities ( I was one) – were deliberate, vicious, smart-alec underminings of literary tradition. It was immensely demoralising. His schtick was to relativise the great achievements of the past – they were the falsely conscious productions of bourgeois ideology. No need to take them seriously. The revolution would provide something better. Like all Marxist midwits, he assumed that his own preferences were somehow immune from his own critique.
And here he is, still bleating. You did it, mate. This is the cheap and empty world people like you did your best to create. I hope the cash has made it palatable. People like Eagleton left the culture defenceless. I imagine that no single person has done more harm to the intellectual life of this country than this guy. Nobody did more to cultivate the ‘nihilistic wasteland’. This is not hindsight. The editors at UnHerd should look at reviews of Eagleton by Eric Griffiths in the TLS in the 90s. He was a known huckster, offering only the empty and the cheap. He should not be permitted to launder his reputation now.
Steve Murray
1 year ago
“Despotism: it’s capitalism wot dunnit”
Well done Terry. Now go and pick up your nice little pay cheque.
Shalamov who survived in the Gulag from 1937 to 1955 said spite was the last emotion; it kept one going. 63 Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes On Success In Life ā OverallMotivation
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
āYou must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. āOne word of truth outweighs the world.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāModern society is hypnotized by socialism. It is prevented by socialism from seeing the mortal danger it is in. And one of the greatest dangers of all is that you have lost all sense of danger, you cannot even see where itās coming from as it moves swiftly towards you.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāSuch as it is, the press has become the greatest power within the Western World, more powerful than the legislature, the executive and judiciary. One would like to ask; by whom has it been elected and to whom is it responsible?ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāTo destroy a people, you must first sever their roots.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāIf I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: āMen had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.’ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe strength or weakness of a society depends more on the level of its spiritual life than on its level of industrialization. Neither a market economy nor even general abundance constitutes the crowning achievement of human life. If a nationās spiritual energies have been exhausted, it will not be saved from collapse by the most perfect government structure or by any industrial development. A tree with a rotten core cannot stand.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Shalamov who survived in the Gulag from 1937 to 1955 said spite was the last emotion; it kept one going. 63 Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes On Success In Life ā OverallMotivation
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
āYou must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. āOne word of truth outweighs the world.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāModern society is hypnotized by socialism. It is prevented by socialism from seeing the mortal danger it is in. And one of the greatest dangers of all is that you have lost all sense of danger, you cannot even see where itās coming from as it moves swiftly towards you.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāSuch as it is, the press has become the greatest power within the Western World, more powerful than the legislature, the executive and judiciary. One would like to ask; by whom has it been elected and to whom is it responsible?ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāTo destroy a people, you must first sever their roots.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāIf I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: āMen had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.’ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe strength or weakness of a society depends more on the level of its spiritual life than on its level of industrialization. Neither a market economy nor even general abundance constitutes the crowning achievement of human life. If a nationās spiritual energies have been exhausted, it will not be saved from collapse by the most perfect government structure or by any industrial development. A tree with a rotten core cannot stand.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
“Despotism: it’s capitalism wot dunnit”
Well done Terry. Now go and pick up your nice little pay cheque.
AJ Mac
1 year ago
If you ignore the title of the piece, which Eagleton almost surely didn’t write, what there is of an argument here seems less absurd. He can write and I respect that his list of three historic, authoritarian villains included the most infamous ultra-righty and two ultra-lefty anti-marketeers. Elsewhere, he seems to pretend that authoritarianism/despotism is somehow intrinsic, or more intrinsic, to capitalism.
While I don’t share his (or any) brand of radicalism, for me the main flaws that took away my ability to enjoy the author’s wit and style were his facile psychoanalysis of everything under the sun, and the way the whole text is more of a rat-a-tat miscellany vaguely connected to a theme–with some good “zingers” here and there–than anything with much cohesion or depth.
Eagleton is clearly a brainy man with a sense of humor and a certain amount of insight, however biased. I’d enjoy his efforts more if he seemed to take the job, and his readership, a little more seriously.
Do you by any chance make your living a restaurant or food critic?
AJ Mac
1 year ago
If you ignore the title of the piece, which Eagleton almost surely didn’t write, what there is of an argument here seems less absurd. He can write and I respect that his list of three historic, authoritarian villains included the most infamous ultra-righty and two ultra-lefty anti-marketeers. Elsewhere, he seems to pretend that authoritarianism/despotism is somehow intrinsic, or more intrinsic, to capitalism.
While I don’t share his (or any) brand of radicalism, for me the main flaws that took away my ability to enjoy the author’s wit and style were his facile psychoanalysis of everything under the sun, and the way the whole text is more of a rat-a-tat miscellany vaguely connected to a theme–with some good “zingers” here and there–than anything with much cohesion or depth.
Eagleton is clearly a brainy man with a sense of humor and a certain amount of insight, however biased. I’d enjoy his efforts more if he seemed to take the job, and his readership, a little more seriously.
J Bryant
1 year ago
For me, Eagleton’s essays are always hard to pin down. I see some commenters viewing the current essay as mainly a Marxist, or at least left wing, critique of capitalism, but that’s not how I see it.
Like so many of his essays, this one appears to be a “meditation” (if that isn’t too pretentious a word). In this case, a meditation on power. He discusses how strong, populist leaders (potential dictators) arise in response to the destruction of culture and identity by hyper-globalized capitalism and other factors. He then considers the fate of populist, even dictatorial, regimes and what is required for them to maintain power, and he goes on to consider what happens to dictators–people who have too much power that isolates them to the point they lose a sense of their own individual personality. He even manages to slip in a reference to King Lear.
His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought.
I agree with that, especially your concluding sentence. Do wish the rambles settled in more often, but at least it’s not a grim slog and I find myself reading all his contributions.
I agree with that, especially your concluding sentence. Do wish the rambles settled in more often, but at least it’s not a grim slog and I find myself reading all his contributions.
“His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought”.
They really don’t
J Bryant
1 year ago
For me, Eagleton’s essays are always hard to pin down. I see some commenters viewing the current essay as mainly a Marxist, or at least left wing, critique of capitalism, but that’s not how I see it.
Like so many of his essays, this one appears to be a “meditation” (if that isn’t too pretentious a word). In this case, a meditation on power. He discusses how strong, populist leaders (potential dictators) arise in response to the destruction of culture and identity by hyper-globalized capitalism and other factors. He then considers the fate of populist, even dictatorial, regimes and what is required for them to maintain power, and he goes on to consider what happens to dictators–people who have too much power that isolates them to the point they lose a sense of their own individual personality. He even manages to slip in a reference to King Lear.
His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought.
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Mark Goodhand
1 year ago
This is the worst article Iāve seen on UnHerd in a long time.
Capitalism, at its heart, means freedom. Freedom to keep the fruits of your labour. Freedom to choose who to trade and work with. Freedom to choose products and services on a daily basis. Freedom to accumulate wealth and pass it on to your children.
Our current system is corporatist, bordering on fascist. Itās an unholy alliance of Big Business with Big Government.
Ah, but capitalism is a Marxist term. The true definition Marxists never use is free markets. Thereās just something about the word free that they canāt abide.
How about freedom to choose your gender?
I see a lot of comments on this article blaming “the Left” and adding a good dose of whataboutism to boot, but really the rot in western societies transcends that old binary and anyone clinging to it misunderstands the shape of things to come.
My take on things is that while “the progressives” (such as they are) have certainly been the main drivers of western authoritarianism in recent years, the grounds were happily prepared by free market/interventionist types, who were just as willing to curtail freedoms in the name of “safety” by turbocharging the post 9-11 “security” state.
Then people you apparently disagree with took that idea and ran with it til we reached the absurd point that you can go to prison in Britain for Facebook posts that contain wrongthink.
So really, both sides of the establishment made the bed that we collectively have to lie in.
Ah, but capitalism is a Marxist term. The true definition Marxists never use is free markets. Thereās just something about the word free that they canāt abide.
How about freedom to choose your gender?
I see a lot of comments on this article blaming “the Left” and adding a good dose of whataboutism to boot, but really the rot in western societies transcends that old binary and anyone clinging to it misunderstands the shape of things to come.
My take on things is that while “the progressives” (such as they are) have certainly been the main drivers of western authoritarianism in recent years, the grounds were happily prepared by free market/interventionist types, who were just as willing to curtail freedoms in the name of “safety” by turbocharging the post 9-11 “security” state.
Then people you apparently disagree with took that idea and ran with it til we reached the absurd point that you can go to prison in Britain for Facebook posts that contain wrongthink.
So really, both sides of the establishment made the bed that we collectively have to lie in.
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Mark Goodhand
1 year ago
This is the worst article Iāve seen on UnHerd in a long time.
Capitalism, at its heart, means freedom. Freedom to keep the fruits of your labour. Freedom to choose who to trade and work with. Freedom to choose products and services on a daily basis. Freedom to accumulate wealth and pass it on to your children.
Our current system is corporatist, bordering on fascist. Itās an unholy alliance of Big Business with Big Government.
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Another day, another shot fired in the academy’s war on reality. If universities didn’t exist we wouldn’t invent them – scholars no longer need to be in the same room to communicate. Time to convert them into affordable housing.
Precisely, and something that Thomas Cromwell had in mind before his unfortunate demise.
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Another day, another shot fired in the academy’s war on reality. If universities didn’t exist we wouldn’t invent them – scholars no longer need to be in the same room to communicate. Time to convert them into affordable housing.
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
As ever, Mr Eagleton rationalizes his argument, always seeming to start with his favourite conclusions – that Capitalism / Free Markets / Tories / Inherited Wealth is to blame, and then reverse engineers that to fit whatever topic he chooses to cover.
How anyone could look at the authoritarianism plaguing our lives at present and absolve the ‘Progressive’ Left of blame, frankly beggars belief.
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
As ever, Mr Eagleton rationalizes his argument, always seeming to start with his favourite conclusions – that Capitalism / Free Markets / Tories / Inherited Wealth is to blame, and then reverse engineers that to fit whatever topic he chooses to cover.
How anyone could look at the authoritarianism plaguing our lives at present and absolve the ‘Progressive’ Left of blame, frankly beggars belief.
Milton Gibbon
1 year ago
I think some readers who had a go at Giles Fraser yesterday might be having second thoughts after reading this article. I liked both articles (but in different ways). Having read Mr Eagleton a few times it is clear that the editors need to get in his ear. On the article itself the author is (as with most people with historic appreciation) too focussed on the past and unable to see ahead clearly – the new authoritarianism isn’t coming with swastikas or hammers & sickles, jackbooted army-wannabes and summary executions but with a smiling “social worker” working for the state with the same flag you have always known and the threat to your job or children being taken away. No discussion of AI and no mention of Covid or Chinese surveilance cutlture which is incredible. Almost like he has a blind spot…
Milton Gibbon
1 year ago
I think some readers who had a go at Giles Fraser yesterday might be having second thoughts after reading this article. I liked both articles (but in different ways). Having read Mr Eagleton a few times it is clear that the editors need to get in his ear. On the article itself the author is (as with most people with historic appreciation) too focussed on the past and unable to see ahead clearly – the new authoritarianism isn’t coming with swastikas or hammers & sickles, jackbooted army-wannabes and summary executions but with a smiling “social worker” working for the state with the same flag you have always known and the threat to your job or children being taken away. No discussion of AI and no mention of Covid or Chinese surveilance cutlture which is incredible. Almost like he has a blind spot…
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, the educated class that gave us the State of Nature, communism, the welfare state, the administrative state, and demolished the mutual-aid associations that everyone once belonged to.
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, the educated class that gave us the State of Nature, communism, the welfare state, the administrative state, and demolished the mutual-aid associations that everyone once belonged to.
Susan Scheid
1 year ago
I am sorry to say, though I hoped for more, that I found this essay to be a mass of words, signifying nothing. What I hoped for, but did not find, is analysis that also suggested a course of action we might take to get us out of our current predicament. Alas.
I too thought it was a load of sh*te. You did articulate it better than me though. Fair play
Susan Scheid
1 year ago
I am sorry to say, though I hoped for more, that I found this essay to be a mass of words, signifying nothing. What I hoped for, but did not find, is analysis that also suggested a course of action we might take to get us out of our current predicament. Alas.
AC Harper
1 year ago
The more socialism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland.
There, fixed that for you. From Wikipedia:
The term “National Socialism” arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free-market capitalism.
Strange how the frame of commentary has been shifted to call Adloff Hilter’s efforts ‘far right wing’.
AC Harper
1 year ago
The more socialism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland.
There, fixed that for you. From Wikipedia:
The term “National Socialism” arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free-market capitalism.
Strange how the frame of commentary has been shifted to call Adloff Hilter’s efforts ‘far right wing’.
N Satori
1 year ago
UnHerd slides steadily to the Left. We seem to be getting a dose of Eagleton’s Marxist windbagging every week now along with that bloke from Novara media. Owen Jones, George Monbiot, Polly Toynbee and Zoe Williams are probably waiting in the wings.
Don’t forget old Thomas “definitely not a Nazi” Fazi
N Satori
1 year ago
UnHerd slides steadily to the Left. We seem to be getting a dose of Eagleton’s Marxist windbagging every week now along with that bloke from Novara media. Owen Jones, George Monbiot, Polly Toynbee and Zoe Williams are probably waiting in the wings.
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Wouldn’t Mr. Eagleton be more comfortable at The Guardian, where they share his apparent notion that the most broadly successful economic system in the history of the world, the one that has brought the most prosperity to the most people despite its shortfalls, is actually a noxious substance that should be cleansed from culture? I worry that he might be unhappy where he is.
He probably carries an enormous amount of animosity towards England, and its munificence towards the Irish diaspora in particular. All rather sad really.
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His late mother is reported to have had staunch āRepublicanā* views.
As we say: āyou can take a man from Ireland, but never take Ireland from the man.ā
(* Otherwise sometimes referred to as the IRA or even the Council House Killers.)
He probably carries an enormous amount of animosity towards England, and its munificence towards the Irish diaspora in particular. All rather sad really.
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His late mother is reported to have had staunch āRepublicanā* views.
As we say: āyou can take a man from Ireland, but never take Ireland from the man.ā
(* Otherwise sometimes referred to as the IRA or even the Council House Killers.)
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Wouldn’t Mr. Eagleton be more comfortable at The Guardian, where they share his apparent notion that the most broadly successful economic system in the history of the world, the one that has brought the most prosperity to the most people despite its shortfalls, is actually a noxious substance that should be cleansed from culture? I worry that he might be unhappy where he is.
Peter Kettle
1 year ago
The usual full Marx from this drum beater for anti-capitalism. Get some reading done Terry.
His job title really should be: Professor of His Own Literature
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Peter Kettle
1 year ago
The usual full Marx from this drum beater for anti-capitalism. Get some reading done Terry.
Simon Neale
1 year ago
To do that, you need a firmer framework and a tighter consensus, not least at times of political or economic crisis. Yet what if you have just relativised all that out of existence? What if modern capitalism saws off the branch on which it is sitting?
We prefer analogies like “capitalism is its own gravedigger”, or “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope”, comrade. But you make a point that is undeniably in line with the tenets of scientific socialism. And, comrade, you already know that the “firmer framework” and “tighter consensus” can only be found in the historically inevitable phase known as the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Simon Neale
1 year ago
To do that, you need a firmer framework and a tighter consensus, not least at times of political or economic crisis. Yet what if you have just relativised all that out of existence? What if modern capitalism saws off the branch on which it is sitting?
We prefer analogies like “capitalism is its own gravedigger”, or “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope”, comrade. But you make a point that is undeniably in line with the tenets of scientific socialism. And, comrade, you already know that the “firmer framework” and “tighter consensus” can only be found in the historically inevitable phase known as the dictatorship of the proletariat.
David Giles
1 year ago
The term “,Texan CEO” informs us only of its authors racism; nothing more.
As to the rest of it: Marxists still think they can denounce despotism? Seriously?
David Giles
1 year ago
The term “,Texan CEO” informs us only of its authors racism; nothing more.
As to the rest of it: Marxists still think they can denounce despotism? Seriously?
Mash Mallow
1 year ago
“This isnāt, in fact, all that surprising. The more capitalism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland. The more narratives of God, People and Nation are spurned as outdated, the more potently they return.”
Replace capitalism with marxism – can somebody please explain the difference in this discourse?
Mash Mallow
1 year ago
“This isnāt, in fact, all that surprising. The more capitalism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland. The more narratives of God, People and Nation are spurned as outdated, the more potently they return.”
Replace capitalism with marxism – can somebody please explain the difference in this discourse?
Malcolm Webb
1 year ago
The author clearly set out to demonstrate his āothernessā and succeeded in almost every line of this ill considered, illogical and hubristic ramble. At least it wasnāt very long. However it was still a waste of precious time. Must remember to avoid reading this chapās stuff.
Malcolm Webb
1 year ago
The author clearly set out to demonstrate his āothernessā and succeeded in almost every line of this ill considered, illogical and hubristic ramble. At least it wasnāt very long. However it was still a waste of precious time. Must remember to avoid reading this chapās stuff.
Justin Clark
1 year ago
Every country will have the 1% most powerful.
Within that group there are the highest “achievers”, the most powerful and to reach that position they have psychopathic traits.
Now imagine if they all got together in Switzerland each year…formed global organisations in support of One World Government.
āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Justin Clark
1 year ago
Every country will have the 1% most powerful.
Within that group there are the highest “achievers”, the most powerful and to reach that position they have psychopathic traits.
Now imagine if they all got together in Switzerland each year…formed global organisations in support of One World Government.
āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Last edited 1 year ago by Justin Clark
Mark V
1 year ago
Word salad
Margaret Donaldson
1 year ago
Have just seen King Lear in Stratford Ontario and enjoyed Eagleton’s comments about the King and his fool and their application to his argument. Sorry!
justin fisher
1 year ago
For me, Lear’s whirlwind was that of Job’s. But that’s probably because I’ve never known power and simply wanted Job’s speech to be more poetic and epic. Lyre in the world wind.
In spite of the Straw Man Industrial Complex going to work in the comments, I continue to see a Darwinist fundamentalism driving the socio economics of our time. This is the common reading of Nietzsche, regardless of whatever nuance he may have intended from his own whirlwind of mad insight. This was the original meaning of “Hell is other people” after all.
Yet it appears in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag for anyone willing to read him for himself rather than to quote him to win points in comments sections. Solzh was primarily repulsed by the shallow consumerist culture of the West before he engaged in any culture war takedowns at Harvard. Citations are needed for that, but that was always my fundamental impression.
There are so many non reductive versions of Darwin possible, including Darwin himself. Lord Russel Wallace even more so. But what does that matter to the Straw Man Industrial Complex on either side? Nobody reads Adam Smith let alone Keynes. The caterwauling of the Bolshevik Libertarians continues to slouch us all toward Bethlehem.
Pretty average first effort. Now try to elucidate your arguments without recourse to student-level capitalisation of generic terms gleaned from some forum requiring less actual thinking than Unherd.
Pretty average first effort. Now try to elucidate your arguments without recourse to student-level capitalisation of generic terms gleaned from some forum requiring less actual thinking than Unherd.
justin fisher
1 year ago
For me, Lear’s whirlwind was that of Job’s. But that’s probably because I’ve never known power and simply wanted Job’s speech to be more poetic and epic. Lyre in the world wind.
In spite of the Straw Man Industrial Complex going to work in the comments, I continue to see a Darwinist fundamentalism driving the socio economics of our time. This is the common reading of Nietzsche, regardless of whatever nuance he may have intended from his own whirlwind of mad insight. This was the original meaning of “Hell is other people” after all.
Yet it appears in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag for anyone willing to read him for himself rather than to quote him to win points in comments sections. Solzh was primarily repulsed by the shallow consumerist culture of the West before he engaged in any culture war takedowns at Harvard. Citations are needed for that, but that was always my fundamental impression.
There are so many non reductive versions of Darwin possible, including Darwin himself. Lord Russel Wallace even more so. But what does that matter to the Straw Man Industrial Complex on either side? Nobody reads Adam Smith let alone Keynes. The caterwauling of the Bolshevik Libertarians continues to slouch us all toward Bethlehem.
Kevin Kierans
1 year ago
Wow. That was like sitting next to a very drunk, very opininated guy at a bar.
Kevin Kierans
1 year ago
Wow. That was like sitting next to a very drunk, very opininated guy at a bar.
Stephen Magee
1 year ago
Gotta laugh at the way most of these comments just bear out Eagleton’s thesis. This article is firmly based on long-standing Catholic social teaching, yet none of the commentators seem to recognise that.
Stephen Magee
1 year ago
Gotta laugh at the way most of these comments just bear out Eagleton’s thesis. This article is firmly based on long-standing Catholic social teaching, yet none of the commentators seem to recognise that.
If one looks at a list of the world’s most authoritarian countries , they are distributed amongst Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
Their authoritarian nature is derived from three main sources: having communist governments , having high religiosity that permeates into government and corrupt kleptocracies common in Africa. None of these are related to Capitalism.
The creeping authoritarianism in the West is coming from the anti-capitalist Left. It is they that ban, shutdown and criminalise dissenting opinion. They that try to destroy the lives of dissidents of their dogma.They that want ever more state intervention to control and regulate our lives,
Our society has suffered a degredation in morality, a conscious destruction of the traditional family and gender roles, the pernicious adoption of moral relativism and the demonisation of national group identity. But the culprit is not Capitalism; it is the destructive, malign force of Progressivism.
You have said all true things, but there is one problem. Progress from what? From family values? Where do those come from? I would argue that what is lacking is an epistemological foundation for those values. Which, in the West, particularly the Anglosphere, that came from biblical Christianity.
Therefore, as Christianity declines, so the West declines. Because cultures need accepted common universal truth (the epistemological foundations) upon which to build particular truths. (particular ethics and values). With postmodernism we canāt even agree universally on what a man or a woman is, and this is a problem. A problem which leads to chaos.
When I say Christianity, many people think of the morals of Christianity, the 10 commandments. For much of the last century in America at least, there was an assumption that you could hollow out Christianity of Christ and apply the values of it. To some degree it worked. Making it less distinct made it capable of being applied more broadly without offending too many people. If people just wanted nice communities with people acting honestly, working hard, and doing unto others as they would have done unto them, then the non-distinct mile-wide and inch-deep Christianity worked for a time…
However, over time, this degraded. As Missionalism and Transformationalism became valued in the Christian megachurch model, politicians such as Obama found that they could pitch the same sort of hope for building a better earthly city and bringing justice in the land through secular political means.
Therefore, as Christianity became less about salvation from our sins, and eternal life in the world to come, and more about transforming the city, and bringing social justice in the here and now, this became a movement ripe for political advancement of fundamental transformation. It was a movement that could get results much faster, with the power of the government behind it, and it often had the blessings and spiritual cover of pastors from the Missional movement.
Now, at this point, this insider movment appears to have helped put the death nail into Christianity informing broader culture, because for too many, itās just another voice of moralism in the culture wars. Stripped of the life changing gospel of the free gift of righteousness (Ro 5:17), and eternal life, modern Christianity really is just another moral reform movement, and therefore I would argue, one that is stripped of its divine power to change hearts. God works from the word preached, not indistinct blobs of words, but preached with understanding, for the purpose of the salvation of all who believe and put thier hope in Christ and his saving work on their behalf.
Religion doesn’t automatically mean a belief in the family. There are plenty of religious boarding schools where children are removed from the influence of their parents and put in the hands of priests and nuns, many of whom are not paedophiles. Likewise for those who can’t pay there are religious children’s homes. In Ireland the Church was desperate to drag single mothers from their families and turn them into slaves.
Religion doesn’t automatically mean a belief in the family. There are plenty of religious boarding schools where children are removed from the influence of their parents and put in the hands of priests and nuns, many of whom are not paedophiles. Likewise for those who can’t pay there are religious children’s homes. In Ireland the Church was desperate to drag single mothers from their families and turn them into slaves.
Correct Marcus.
The model of modernity where we are all going to be able to rationalise everything to its core and deconstruct our drives and impulses to the pull of a hormone here and some psycho babble there is flawed.
People are flawed, we need context into which sits the human spirit – nation, god, country and definitely family, whatever construct the individual leaned into has always provided these. Historically this can be pretty ugly too but itās an integral part of the human condition.
If you want to do the socialist administration of man gig it gets even worse.
Nihilism leads to some pretty unreal horrors in the gulag.
You have said all true things, but there is one problem. Progress from what? From family values? Where do those come from? I would argue that what is lacking is an epistemological foundation for those values. Which, in the West, particularly the Anglosphere, that came from biblical Christianity.
Therefore, as Christianity declines, so the West declines. Because cultures need accepted common universal truth (the epistemological foundations) upon which to build particular truths. (particular ethics and values). With postmodernism we canāt even agree universally on what a man or a woman is, and this is a problem. A problem which leads to chaos.
When I say Christianity, many people think of the morals of Christianity, the 10 commandments. For much of the last century in America at least, there was an assumption that you could hollow out Christianity of Christ and apply the values of it. To some degree it worked. Making it less distinct made it capable of being applied more broadly without offending too many people. If people just wanted nice communities with people acting honestly, working hard, and doing unto others as they would have done unto them, then the non-distinct mile-wide and inch-deep Christianity worked for a time…
However, over time, this degraded. As Missionalism and Transformationalism became valued in the Christian megachurch model, politicians such as Obama found that they could pitch the same sort of hope for building a better earthly city and bringing justice in the land through secular political means.
Therefore, as Christianity became less about salvation from our sins, and eternal life in the world to come, and more about transforming the city, and bringing social justice in the here and now, this became a movement ripe for political advancement of fundamental transformation. It was a movement that could get results much faster, with the power of the government behind it, and it often had the blessings and spiritual cover of pastors from the Missional movement.
Now, at this point, this insider movment appears to have helped put the death nail into Christianity informing broader culture, because for too many, itās just another voice of moralism in the culture wars. Stripped of the life changing gospel of the free gift of righteousness (Ro 5:17), and eternal life, modern Christianity really is just another moral reform movement, and therefore I would argue, one that is stripped of its divine power to change hearts. God works from the word preached, not indistinct blobs of words, but preached with understanding, for the purpose of the salvation of all who believe and put thier hope in Christ and his saving work on their behalf.
Correct Marcus.
The model of modernity where we are all going to be able to rationalise everything to its core and deconstruct our drives and impulses to the pull of a hormone here and some psycho babble there is flawed.
People are flawed, we need context into which sits the human spirit – nation, god, country and definitely family, whatever construct the individual leaned into has always provided these. Historically this can be pretty ugly too but itās an integral part of the human condition.
If you want to do the socialist administration of man gig it gets even worse.
Nihilism leads to some pretty unreal horrors in the gulag.
If one looks at a list of the world’s most authoritarian countries , they are distributed amongst Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
Their authoritarian nature is derived from three main sources: having communist governments , having high religiosity that permeates into government and corrupt kleptocracies common in Africa. None of these are related to Capitalism.
The creeping authoritarianism in the West is coming from the anti-capitalist Left. It is they that ban, shutdown and criminalise dissenting opinion. They that try to destroy the lives of dissidents of their dogma.They that want ever more state intervention to control and regulate our lives,
Our society has suffered a degredation in morality, a conscious destruction of the traditional family and gender roles, the pernicious adoption of moral relativism and the demonisation of national group identity. But the culprit is not Capitalism; it is the destructive, malign force of Progressivism.
The commissioning editors at Unherd are probably too young to remember Eagleton in his pomp. Had they been around to see his antics in the 80s and 90s, they would have loathed him with all their hearts. His books – huge selling primers of ‘theory’ for the hundreds of thousands of young and ignorant students being pumped into the humanities ( I was one) – were deliberate, vicious, smart-alec underminings of literary tradition. It was immensely demoralising. His schtick was to relativise the great achievements of the past – they were the falsely conscious productions of bourgeois ideology. No need to take them seriously. The revolution would provide something better. Like all Marxist midwits, he assumed that his own preferences were somehow immune from his own critique.
And here he is, still bleating. You did it, mate. This is the cheap and empty world people like you did your best to create. I hope the cash has made it palatable. People like Eagleton left the culture defenceless. I imagine that no single person has done more harm to the intellectual life of this country than this guy. Nobody did more to cultivate the ‘nihilistic wasteland’. This is not hindsight. The editors at UnHerd should look at reviews of Eagleton by Eric Griffiths in the TLS in the 90s. He was a known huckster, offering only the empty and the cheap. He should not be permitted to launder his reputation now.
ā He should not be permitted to launder his reputation now.ā
Donāt worry he hasnāt, and thank you so much for that accurate comment.
Thank you Mister Hallam, I do remember him from sociology lessons in the late ’80s, my ‘Millie Tant’ style lecturer was in thrall to the man. In any case, your takedown and other comments below the line are infinitely better, and more amusing, than Eagleton’s predictable rambling.
Brillliant comments.
ā He should not be permitted to launder his reputation now.ā
Donāt worry he hasnāt, and thank you so much for that accurate comment.
Thank you Mister Hallam, I do remember him from sociology lessons in the late ’80s, my ‘Millie Tant’ style lecturer was in thrall to the man. In any case, your takedown and other comments below the line are infinitely better, and more amusing, than Eagleton’s predictable rambling.
Brillliant comments.
The commissioning editors at Unherd are probably too young to remember Eagleton in his pomp. Had they been around to see his antics in the 80s and 90s, they would have loathed him with all their hearts. His books – huge selling primers of ‘theory’ for the hundreds of thousands of young and ignorant students being pumped into the humanities ( I was one) – were deliberate, vicious, smart-alec underminings of literary tradition. It was immensely demoralising. His schtick was to relativise the great achievements of the past – they were the falsely conscious productions of bourgeois ideology. No need to take them seriously. The revolution would provide something better. Like all Marxist midwits, he assumed that his own preferences were somehow immune from his own critique.
And here he is, still bleating. You did it, mate. This is the cheap and empty world people like you did your best to create. I hope the cash has made it palatable. People like Eagleton left the culture defenceless. I imagine that no single person has done more harm to the intellectual life of this country than this guy. Nobody did more to cultivate the ‘nihilistic wasteland’. This is not hindsight. The editors at UnHerd should look at reviews of Eagleton by Eric Griffiths in the TLS in the 90s. He was a known huckster, offering only the empty and the cheap. He should not be permitted to launder his reputation now.
“Despotism: it’s capitalism wot dunnit”
Well done Terry. Now go and pick up your nice little pay cheque.
Give him a break!
He has two ex wives, five children, and three houses to support!
ps. He turned 80 in February and is perhaps an excellent example of that adage āHate keeps a man alive, it gives him strength ā.
Shalamov who survived in the Gulag from 1937 to 1955 said spite was the last emotion; it kept one going.
63 Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes On Success In Life ā OverallMotivation
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
āYou must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. āOne word of truth outweighs the world.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāModern society is hypnotized by socialism. It is prevented by socialism from seeing the mortal danger it is in. And one of the greatest dangers of all is that you have lost all sense of danger, you cannot even see where itās coming from as it moves swiftly towards you.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāSuch as it is, the press has become the greatest power within the Western World, more powerful than the legislature, the executive and judiciary. One would like to ask; by whom has it been elected and to whom is it responsible?ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāTo destroy a people, you must first sever their roots.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāIf I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: āMen had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.’ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe strength or weakness of a society depends more on the level of its spiritual life than on its level of industrialization. Neither a market economy nor even general abundance constitutes the crowning achievement of human life. If a nationās spiritual energies have been exhausted, it will not be saved from collapse by the most perfect government structure or by any industrial development. A tree with a rotten core cannot stand.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Intrigued, so who were āthe leading Bolsheviks who took over Russiaā If they were not Russians?
Stalin was Georgian.
What about the āothersā?
Bolsheviks – Wikipedia
There is also a need to assess who made up The Cheka
Cheka – Wikipedia
Aha! The usual suspects!
Aha! The usual suspects!
Bolsheviks – Wikipedia
There is also a need to assess who made up The Cheka
Cheka – Wikipedia
What about the āothersā?
You need to check the early life section
Stalin was Georgian.
You need to check the early life section
Intrigued, so who were āthe leading Bolsheviks who took over Russiaā If they were not Russians?
Shalamov who survived in the Gulag from 1937 to 1955 said spite was the last emotion; it kept one going.
63 Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes On Success In Life ā OverallMotivation
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
āYou must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. āOne word of truth outweighs the world.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāModern society is hypnotized by socialism. It is prevented by socialism from seeing the mortal danger it is in. And one of the greatest dangers of all is that you have lost all sense of danger, you cannot even see where itās coming from as it moves swiftly towards you.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāSuch as it is, the press has become the greatest power within the Western World, more powerful than the legislature, the executive and judiciary. One would like to ask; by whom has it been elected and to whom is it responsible?ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāTo destroy a people, you must first sever their roots.ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāIf I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: āMen had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.’ā ~ Aleksandr SolzhenitsynāThe strength or weakness of a society depends more on the level of its spiritual life than on its level of industrialization. Neither a market economy nor even general abundance constitutes the crowning achievement of human life. If a nationās spiritual energies have been exhausted, it will not be saved from collapse by the most perfect government structure or by any industrial development. A tree with a rotten core cannot stand.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Marxist is gonna Marxist
Give him a break!
He has two ex wives, five children, and three houses to support!
ps. He turned 80 in February and is perhaps an excellent example of that adage āHate keeps a man alive, it gives him strength ā.
Marxist is gonna Marxist
“Despotism: it’s capitalism wot dunnit”
Well done Terry. Now go and pick up your nice little pay cheque.
If you ignore the title of the piece, which Eagleton almost surely didn’t write, what there is of an argument here seems less absurd. He can write and I respect that his list of three historic, authoritarian villains included the most infamous ultra-righty and two ultra-lefty anti-marketeers. Elsewhere, he seems to pretend that authoritarianism/despotism is somehow intrinsic, or more intrinsic, to capitalism.
While I don’t share his (or any) brand of radicalism, for me the main flaws that took away my ability to enjoy the author’s wit and style were his facile psychoanalysis of everything under the sun, and the way the whole text is more of a rat-a-tat miscellany vaguely connected to a theme–with some good “zingers” here and there–than anything with much cohesion or depth.
Eagleton is clearly a brainy man with a sense of humor and a certain amount of insight, however biased. I’d enjoy his efforts more if he seemed to take the job, and his readership, a little more seriously.
That’s what i just said, using about 1% of the words, since it’s all been said before several times.
You’re right, of course, but it’s become boringly repetitive (not you – Eagleton).
He’s milking the system by picking up easy money for minimal extra effort, in a parody of capitalism itself.
Ha! He’s capable of more but not giving it for whatever reason. I’m tempted to pathologize him the way he does with nearly all he brushes against.
Ha! He’s capable of more but not giving it for whatever reason. I’m tempted to pathologize him the way he does with nearly all he brushes against.
Do you by any chance make your living a restaurant or food critic?
Nope.
Nope.
That’s what i just said, using about 1% of the words, since it’s all been said before several times.
You’re right, of course, but it’s become boringly repetitive (not you – Eagleton).
He’s milking the system by picking up easy money for minimal extra effort, in a parody of capitalism itself.
Do you by any chance make your living a restaurant or food critic?
If you ignore the title of the piece, which Eagleton almost surely didn’t write, what there is of an argument here seems less absurd. He can write and I respect that his list of three historic, authoritarian villains included the most infamous ultra-righty and two ultra-lefty anti-marketeers. Elsewhere, he seems to pretend that authoritarianism/despotism is somehow intrinsic, or more intrinsic, to capitalism.
While I don’t share his (or any) brand of radicalism, for me the main flaws that took away my ability to enjoy the author’s wit and style were his facile psychoanalysis of everything under the sun, and the way the whole text is more of a rat-a-tat miscellany vaguely connected to a theme–with some good “zingers” here and there–than anything with much cohesion or depth.
Eagleton is clearly a brainy man with a sense of humor and a certain amount of insight, however biased. I’d enjoy his efforts more if he seemed to take the job, and his readership, a little more seriously.
For me, Eagleton’s essays are always hard to pin down. I see some commenters viewing the current essay as mainly a Marxist, or at least left wing, critique of capitalism, but that’s not how I see it.
Like so many of his essays, this one appears to be a “meditation” (if that isn’t too pretentious a word). In this case, a meditation on power. He discusses how strong, populist leaders (potential dictators) arise in response to the destruction of culture and identity by hyper-globalized capitalism and other factors. He then considers the fate of populist, even dictatorial, regimes and what is required for them to maintain power, and he goes on to consider what happens to dictators–people who have too much power that isolates them to the point they lose a sense of their own individual personality. He even manages to slip in a reference to King Lear.
His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought.
I agree with that, especially your concluding sentence. Do wish the rambles settled in more often, but at least it’s not a grim slog and I find myself reading all his contributions.
“His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought”.
They really don’t
I agree with that, especially your concluding sentence. Do wish the rambles settled in more often, but at least it’s not a grim slog and I find myself reading all his contributions.
“His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought”.
They really don’t
For me, Eagleton’s essays are always hard to pin down. I see some commenters viewing the current essay as mainly a Marxist, or at least left wing, critique of capitalism, but that’s not how I see it.
Like so many of his essays, this one appears to be a “meditation” (if that isn’t too pretentious a word). In this case, a meditation on power. He discusses how strong, populist leaders (potential dictators) arise in response to the destruction of culture and identity by hyper-globalized capitalism and other factors. He then considers the fate of populist, even dictatorial, regimes and what is required for them to maintain power, and he goes on to consider what happens to dictators–people who have too much power that isolates them to the point they lose a sense of their own individual personality. He even manages to slip in a reference to King Lear.
His essays do seem to ramble, but, for me, they ramble cleverly and humorously, and provide food for thought.
This is the worst article Iāve seen on UnHerd in a long time.
Capitalism, at its heart, means freedom. Freedom to keep the fruits of your labour. Freedom to choose who to trade and work with. Freedom to choose products and services on a daily basis. Freedom to accumulate wealth and pass it on to your children.
Our current system is corporatist, bordering on fascist. Itās an unholy alliance of Big Business with Big Government.
Ah, but capitalism is a Marxist term. The true definition Marxists never use is free markets. Thereās just something about the word free that they canāt abide.
āTheyā regard it is an oxymoron.
āTheyā regard it is an oxymoron.
How about freedom to choose your gender?
I see a lot of comments on this article blaming “the Left” and adding a good dose of whataboutism to boot, but really the rot in western societies transcends that old binary and anyone clinging to it misunderstands the shape of things to come.
My take on things is that while “the progressives” (such as they are) have certainly been the main drivers of western authoritarianism in recent years, the grounds were happily prepared by free market/interventionist types, who were just as willing to curtail freedoms in the name of “safety” by turbocharging the post 9-11 “security” state.
Then people you apparently disagree with took that idea and ran with it til we reached the absurd point that you can go to prison in Britain for Facebook posts that contain wrongthink.
So really, both sides of the establishment made the bed that we collectively have to lie in.
Ah, but capitalism is a Marxist term. The true definition Marxists never use is free markets. Thereās just something about the word free that they canāt abide.
How about freedom to choose your gender?
I see a lot of comments on this article blaming “the Left” and adding a good dose of whataboutism to boot, but really the rot in western societies transcends that old binary and anyone clinging to it misunderstands the shape of things to come.
My take on things is that while “the progressives” (such as they are) have certainly been the main drivers of western authoritarianism in recent years, the grounds were happily prepared by free market/interventionist types, who were just as willing to curtail freedoms in the name of “safety” by turbocharging the post 9-11 “security” state.
Then people you apparently disagree with took that idea and ran with it til we reached the absurd point that you can go to prison in Britain for Facebook posts that contain wrongthink.
So really, both sides of the establishment made the bed that we collectively have to lie in.
This is the worst article Iāve seen on UnHerd in a long time.
Capitalism, at its heart, means freedom. Freedom to keep the fruits of your labour. Freedom to choose who to trade and work with. Freedom to choose products and services on a daily basis. Freedom to accumulate wealth and pass it on to your children.
Our current system is corporatist, bordering on fascist. Itās an unholy alliance of Big Business with Big Government.
Another day, another shot fired in the academy’s war on reality. If universities didn’t exist we wouldn’t invent them – scholars no longer need to be in the same room to communicate. Time to convert them into affordable housing.
Precisely, and something that Thomas Cromwell had in mind before his unfortunate demise.
Precisely, and something that Thomas Cromwell had in mind before his unfortunate demise.
Another day, another shot fired in the academy’s war on reality. If universities didn’t exist we wouldn’t invent them – scholars no longer need to be in the same room to communicate. Time to convert them into affordable housing.
As ever, Mr Eagleton rationalizes his argument, always seeming to start with his favourite conclusions – that Capitalism / Free Markets / Tories / Inherited Wealth is to blame, and then reverse engineers that to fit whatever topic he chooses to cover.
How anyone could look at the authoritarianism plaguing our lives at present and absolve the ‘Progressive’ Left of blame, frankly beggars belief.
As ever, Mr Eagleton rationalizes his argument, always seeming to start with his favourite conclusions – that Capitalism / Free Markets / Tories / Inherited Wealth is to blame, and then reverse engineers that to fit whatever topic he chooses to cover.
How anyone could look at the authoritarianism plaguing our lives at present and absolve the ‘Progressive’ Left of blame, frankly beggars belief.
I think some readers who had a go at Giles Fraser yesterday might be having second thoughts after reading this article. I liked both articles (but in different ways). Having read Mr Eagleton a few times it is clear that the editors need to get in his ear. On the article itself the author is (as with most people with historic appreciation) too focussed on the past and unable to see ahead clearly – the new authoritarianism isn’t coming with swastikas or hammers & sickles, jackbooted army-wannabes and summary executions but with a smiling “social worker” working for the state with the same flag you have always known and the threat to your job or children being taken away. No discussion of AI and no mention of Covid or Chinese surveilance cutlture which is incredible. Almost like he has a blind spot…
I think some readers who had a go at Giles Fraser yesterday might be having second thoughts after reading this article. I liked both articles (but in different ways). Having read Mr Eagleton a few times it is clear that the editors need to get in his ear. On the article itself the author is (as with most people with historic appreciation) too focussed on the past and unable to see ahead clearly – the new authoritarianism isn’t coming with swastikas or hammers & sickles, jackbooted army-wannabes and summary executions but with a smiling “social worker” working for the state with the same flag you have always known and the threat to your job or children being taken away. No discussion of AI and no mention of Covid or Chinese surveilance cutlture which is incredible. Almost like he has a blind spot…
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, the educated class that gave us the State of Nature, communism, the welfare state, the administrative state, and demolished the mutual-aid associations that everyone once belonged to.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, the educated class that gave us the State of Nature, communism, the welfare state, the administrative state, and demolished the mutual-aid associations that everyone once belonged to.
I am sorry to say, though I hoped for more, that I found this essay to be a mass of words, signifying nothing. What I hoped for, but did not find, is analysis that also suggested a course of action we might take to get us out of our current predicament. Alas.
A clever response no doubt inspired by:-
āTold by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHINGā.*
(*YKW.)
In a way, our cultural moment combines Macbeth’s despondency with Hamlet’s paralysis-of-analysis/crazed-overreaction. Scary times.
In a way, our cultural moment combines Macbeth’s despondency with Hamlet’s paralysis-of-analysis/crazed-overreaction. Scary times.
I too thought it was a load of sh*te. You did articulate it better than me though. Fair play
A clever response no doubt inspired by:-
āTold by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHINGā.*
(*YKW.)
I too thought it was a load of sh*te. You did articulate it better than me though. Fair play
I am sorry to say, though I hoped for more, that I found this essay to be a mass of words, signifying nothing. What I hoped for, but did not find, is analysis that also suggested a course of action we might take to get us out of our current predicament. Alas.
The more socialism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland.
There, fixed that for you. From Wikipedia:
Strange how the frame of commentary has been shifted to call Adloff Hilter’s efforts ‘far right wing’.
The more socialism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland.
There, fixed that for you. From Wikipedia:
Strange how the frame of commentary has been shifted to call Adloff Hilter’s efforts ‘far right wing’.
UnHerd slides steadily to the Left. We seem to be getting a dose of Eagleton’s Marxist windbagging every week now along with that bloke from Novara media. Owen Jones, George Monbiot, Polly Toynbee and Zoe Williams are probably waiting in the wings.
I think the bloke from Novara has some interesting things to say. Eagleton is just a superannuated rent a trot from the 1970s.
Don’t forget old Thomas “definitely not a Nazi” Fazi
I think the bloke from Novara has some interesting things to say. Eagleton is just a superannuated rent a trot from the 1970s.
Don’t forget old Thomas “definitely not a Nazi” Fazi
UnHerd slides steadily to the Left. We seem to be getting a dose of Eagleton’s Marxist windbagging every week now along with that bloke from Novara media. Owen Jones, George Monbiot, Polly Toynbee and Zoe Williams are probably waiting in the wings.
Wouldn’t Mr. Eagleton be more comfortable at The Guardian, where they share his apparent notion that the most broadly successful economic system in the history of the world, the one that has brought the most prosperity to the most people despite its shortfalls, is actually a noxious substance that should be cleansed from culture? I worry that he might be unhappy where he is.
He probably carries an enormous amount of animosity towards England, and its munificence towards the Irish diaspora in particular. All rather sad really.
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His late mother is reported to have had staunch āRepublicanā* views.
As we say: āyou can take a man from Ireland, but never take Ireland from the man.ā
(* Otherwise sometimes referred to as the IRA or even the Council House Killers.)
Argumentum ad hominem.
A fortiori.
A fortiori.
Argumentum ad hominem.
He probably carries an enormous amount of animosity towards England, and its munificence towards the Irish diaspora in particular. All rather sad really.
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His late mother is reported to have had staunch āRepublicanā* views.
As we say: āyou can take a man from Ireland, but never take Ireland from the man.ā
(* Otherwise sometimes referred to as the IRA or even the Council House Killers.)
Wouldn’t Mr. Eagleton be more comfortable at The Guardian, where they share his apparent notion that the most broadly successful economic system in the history of the world, the one that has brought the most prosperity to the most people despite its shortfalls, is actually a noxious substance that should be cleansed from culture? I worry that he might be unhappy where he is.
The usual full Marx from this drum beater for anti-capitalism. Get some reading done Terry.
His job title really should be: Professor of His Own Literature
His job title really should be: Professor of His Own Literature
The usual full Marx from this drum beater for anti-capitalism. Get some reading done Terry.
We prefer analogies like “capitalism is its own gravedigger”, or “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope”, comrade. But you make a point that is undeniably in line with the tenets of scientific socialism. And, comrade, you already know that the “firmer framework” and “tighter consensus” can only be found in the historically inevitable phase known as the dictatorship of the proletariat.
We prefer analogies like “capitalism is its own gravedigger”, or “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope”, comrade. But you make a point that is undeniably in line with the tenets of scientific socialism. And, comrade, you already know that the “firmer framework” and “tighter consensus” can only be found in the historically inevitable phase known as the dictatorship of the proletariat.
The term “,Texan CEO” informs us only of its authors racism; nothing more.
As to the rest of it: Marxists still think they can denounce despotism? Seriously?
The term “,Texan CEO” informs us only of its authors racism; nothing more.
As to the rest of it: Marxists still think they can denounce despotism? Seriously?
“This isnāt, in fact, all that surprising. The more capitalism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland. The more narratives of God, People and Nation are spurned as outdated, the more potently they return.”
Replace capitalism with marxism – can somebody please explain the difference in this discourse?
“This isnāt, in fact, all that surprising. The more capitalism shatters traditional pieties, disregards frontiers and uproots whole communities, the more strident become the defenders of family, religion and fatherland. The more narratives of God, People and Nation are spurned as outdated, the more potently they return.”
Replace capitalism with marxism – can somebody please explain the difference in this discourse?
The author clearly set out to demonstrate his āothernessā and succeeded in almost every line of this ill considered, illogical and hubristic ramble. At least it wasnāt very long. However it was still a waste of precious time. Must remember to avoid reading this chapās stuff.
The author clearly set out to demonstrate his āothernessā and succeeded in almost every line of this ill considered, illogical and hubristic ramble. At least it wasnāt very long. However it was still a waste of precious time. Must remember to avoid reading this chapās stuff.
Every country will have the 1% most powerful.
Within that group there are the highest “achievers”, the most powerful and to reach that position they have psychopathic traits.
Now imagine if they all got together in Switzerland each year…formed global organisations in support of One World Government.
āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Every country will have the 1% most powerful.
Within that group there are the highest “achievers”, the most powerful and to reach that position they have psychopathic traits.
Now imagine if they all got together in Switzerland each year…formed global organisations in support of One World Government.
āEvil people always support each other; that is their chief strength.ā ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Word salad
Have just seen King Lear in Stratford Ontario and enjoyed Eagleton’s comments about the King and his fool and their application to his argument. Sorry!
For me, Lear’s whirlwind was that of Job’s. But that’s probably because I’ve never known power and simply wanted Job’s speech to be more poetic and epic. Lyre in the world wind.
In spite of the Straw Man Industrial Complex going to work in the comments, I continue to see a Darwinist fundamentalism driving the socio economics of our time. This is the common reading of Nietzsche, regardless of whatever nuance he may have intended from his own whirlwind of mad insight. This was the original meaning of “Hell is other people” after all.
Yet it appears in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag for anyone willing to read him for himself rather than to quote him to win points in comments sections. Solzh was primarily repulsed by the shallow consumerist culture of the West before he engaged in any culture war takedowns at Harvard. Citations are needed for that, but that was always my fundamental impression.
There are so many non reductive versions of Darwin possible, including Darwin himself. Lord Russel Wallace even more so. But what does that matter to the Straw Man Industrial Complex on either side? Nobody reads Adam Smith let alone Keynes. The caterwauling of the Bolshevik Libertarians continues to slouch us all toward Bethlehem.
Pretty average first effort. Now try to elucidate your arguments without recourse to student-level capitalisation of generic terms gleaned from some forum requiring less actual thinking than Unherd.
Pretty average first effort. Now try to elucidate your arguments without recourse to student-level capitalisation of generic terms gleaned from some forum requiring less actual thinking than Unherd.
For me, Lear’s whirlwind was that of Job’s. But that’s probably because I’ve never known power and simply wanted Job’s speech to be more poetic and epic. Lyre in the world wind.
In spite of the Straw Man Industrial Complex going to work in the comments, I continue to see a Darwinist fundamentalism driving the socio economics of our time. This is the common reading of Nietzsche, regardless of whatever nuance he may have intended from his own whirlwind of mad insight. This was the original meaning of “Hell is other people” after all.
Yet it appears in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag for anyone willing to read him for himself rather than to quote him to win points in comments sections. Solzh was primarily repulsed by the shallow consumerist culture of the West before he engaged in any culture war takedowns at Harvard. Citations are needed for that, but that was always my fundamental impression.
There are so many non reductive versions of Darwin possible, including Darwin himself. Lord Russel Wallace even more so. But what does that matter to the Straw Man Industrial Complex on either side? Nobody reads Adam Smith let alone Keynes. The caterwauling of the Bolshevik Libertarians continues to slouch us all toward Bethlehem.
Wow. That was like sitting next to a very drunk, very opininated guy at a bar.
Wow. That was like sitting next to a very drunk, very opininated guy at a bar.
Gotta laugh at the way most of these comments just bear out Eagleton’s thesis. This article is firmly based on long-standing Catholic social teaching, yet none of the commentators seem to recognise that.
Gotta laugh at the way most of these comments just bear out Eagleton’s thesis. This article is firmly based on long-standing Catholic social teaching, yet none of the commentators seem to recognise that.