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Nell Clover
Nell Clover
11 months ago

Ultra processed foods are bad. They are low in micronutrients, low in biotics, and meals using them will be mainly factory produced. Remember when we all realised ultra processed foods were bad?

Insect based food that is edible, appetising and in a meal ready form requires ultra+ processing. Grown in industrial units, lots of water and energy is used to remove biomass and excreta, more energy to cool them to inactivate, more energy heat them to kill viruses and bacteria, more energy to dry to a powder, then come the additives to stabilise lipids, then they must be mixed with things like defatted soy, gelling agents and moisture stabilisers to create something that is easy to eat. You don’t need to be a food scientist to see this results in a narrow nutritional profile.

Yay protein, but what about everything else found in meat and not found in this insect mash? Just like the wonderous processed food innovations of the 50s and 60s, which turned out to be less than wonderous, this is all about money.

The investors of insect tech are also very big spenders on global political activism. It doesn’t take a political scientist to see that the investors are buying a regulatory environment that will force consumers to buy this pap. It isn’t about the planet. It isn’t about your health. It is just another business opportunity.

Last edited 11 months ago by Nell Clover
Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Needn’t stop us eating the raw (unprocessed/”organic”) insects then !

Michael Craig
Michael Craig
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Many more commonsense points in this gentleman’s post, than in the article’s lame observations. It is indeed all about money and subservience to Climate Change/Net Zero dogma.

Not enough food on the planet? The answer is more food independence and self reliance. If more people grew their own or used local suppliers, converted their front lawns to veggie patches, and were allowed to keep chickens in their back gardens, food crises would disappear.

No need to import so much food from the far side of the world, no supply chain problems, and destructive monoculture farming would fade away.

But oh dear, localised food production would then render the giant food corporations and their investment plans for insects, obsolete…

Try and get your local MP to support that one.

Last edited 11 months ago by Michael Craig
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

Everybody having their own little veggie patch is an incredibly inefficient way of feeding the world, not to mention largely impossible in densely built cities

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

That’s a very simplistic and unrealistic comment. For starters people living in cities don’t have lawns and backyards. I don’t think insect farming is only about making money and buying from local farmers obviously hasn’t worked.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

Everybody having their own little veggie patch is an incredibly inefficient way of feeding the world, not to mention largely impossible in densely built cities

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

That’s a very simplistic and unrealistic comment. For starters people living in cities don’t have lawns and backyards. I don’t think insect farming is only about making money and buying from local farmers obviously hasn’t worked.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Could it not be about both making money and filling a need?

Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Needn’t stop us eating the raw (unprocessed/”organic”) insects then !

Michael Craig
Michael Craig
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Many more commonsense points in this gentleman’s post, than in the article’s lame observations. It is indeed all about money and subservience to Climate Change/Net Zero dogma.

Not enough food on the planet? The answer is more food independence and self reliance. If more people grew their own or used local suppliers, converted their front lawns to veggie patches, and were allowed to keep chickens in their back gardens, food crises would disappear.

No need to import so much food from the far side of the world, no supply chain problems, and destructive monoculture farming would fade away.

But oh dear, localised food production would then render the giant food corporations and their investment plans for insects, obsolete…

Try and get your local MP to support that one.

Last edited 11 months ago by Michael Craig
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Could it not be about both making money and filling a need?

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
11 months ago

Ultra processed foods are bad. They are low in micronutrients, low in biotics, and meals using them will be mainly factory produced. Remember when we all realised ultra processed foods were bad?

Insect based food that is edible, appetising and in a meal ready form requires ultra+ processing. Grown in industrial units, lots of water and energy is used to remove biomass and excreta, more energy to cool them to inactivate, more energy heat them to kill viruses and bacteria, more energy to dry to a powder, then come the additives to stabilise lipids, then they must be mixed with things like defatted soy, gelling agents and moisture stabilisers to create something that is easy to eat. You don’t need to be a food scientist to see this results in a narrow nutritional profile.

Yay protein, but what about everything else found in meat and not found in this insect mash? Just like the wonderous processed food innovations of the 50s and 60s, which turned out to be less than wonderous, this is all about money.

The investors of insect tech are also very big spenders on global political activism. It doesn’t take a political scientist to see that the investors are buying a regulatory environment that will force consumers to buy this pap. It isn’t about the planet. It isn’t about your health. It is just another business opportunity.

Last edited 11 months ago by Nell Clover
R Wright
R Wright
11 months ago

I will not eat the bugs, and I will be happy.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Mind if I ask why not? Personally I’ll happily eat any animal, rodent, mammal, fish insect etc. If it tastes nice I don’t see the issue

Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Yet we no doubt eat animals which eat the bugs – or animals which eat animals which east the bugs. That’s how the food chain works.
I have no desire to eat bugs. But I’ve never tried them. And don’t foresee this weird conspiracy theory future where we will somehow be “forced” to eat them. If it’s a safe option and some people want to, why not ?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

you may not know you’ll be eating them. It won’t say “bugs” on the ingredient list.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Mind if I ask why not? Personally I’ll happily eat any animal, rodent, mammal, fish insect etc. If it tastes nice I don’t see the issue

Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Yet we no doubt eat animals which eat the bugs – or animals which eat animals which east the bugs. That’s how the food chain works.
I have no desire to eat bugs. But I’ve never tried them. And don’t foresee this weird conspiracy theory future where we will somehow be “forced” to eat them. If it’s a safe option and some people want to, why not ?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

you may not know you’ll be eating them. It won’t say “bugs” on the ingredient list.

R Wright
R Wright
11 months ago

I will not eat the bugs, and I will be happy.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on worms or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on worms or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
11 months ago

The article asks: Will we end up eating insects?

As is Unherd’s wont, it wouldn’t surprise me if an article appears (perhaps tomorrow) asking: Will insects end up eating us?

I expect the bees are busy doing their research to establish human sentience. The buzz suggests they’ve yet to establish conclusive evidence.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

The amount of times the little stripy b@stards have stung me I can only assume that they believe humans don’t feel pain

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Too bad bees die after they’ve stung us. I wish it would happen to mosquitoes.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Too bad bees die after they’ve stung us. I wish it would happen to mosquitoes.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

The amount of times the little stripy b@stards have stung me I can only assume that they believe humans don’t feel pain

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
11 months ago

The article asks: Will we end up eating insects?

As is Unherd’s wont, it wouldn’t surprise me if an article appears (perhaps tomorrow) asking: Will insects end up eating us?

I expect the bees are busy doing their research to establish human sentience. The buzz suggests they’ve yet to establish conclusive evidence.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on spiders or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Now we find out……..Some of us have known this “forever”. Stop listening to the BBC “Expert” – he is a charlatan and has been challenged several times on this and other subjects. Amazingly he has gained not just one, but two knighthQoods from his lies (Some believed by the “highest family in the land”)
PS What’s wrong with Quorn (except Quorn bacon)

Last edited 11 months ago by Doug Pingel
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

I doubt that David Attenbough is a charlatan.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

I doubt that David Attenbough is a charlatan.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Now we find out……..Some of us have known this “forever”. Stop listening to the BBC “Expert” – he is a charlatan and has been challenged several times on this and other subjects. Amazingly he has gained not just one, but two knighthQoods from his lies (Some believed by the “highest family in the land”)
PS What’s wrong with Quorn (except Quorn bacon)

Last edited 11 months ago by Doug Pingel
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on spiders or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Russell Sharpe
Russell Sharpe
11 months ago

I for one am delighted to see this latest division in the ranks of the elite scolds: on the one side those who want both animals and human beings to be fed bugs for the sake of the planet, and on the other the bold pioneers of the bugs’ rights movement.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Russell Sharpe

Funny!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Russell Sharpe

Funny!

Russell Sharpe
Russell Sharpe
11 months ago

I for one am delighted to see this latest division in the ranks of the elite scolds: on the one side those who want both animals and human beings to be fed bugs for the sake of the planet, and on the other the bold pioneers of the bugs’ rights movement.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

‘Deuteronomy 14King James Version
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.”

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

1. What’s classed as abominable? Insects? Liver? Dogs? Frogs? Pigs?
2. If you can’t eat anything that flies, am I not allowed pheasant? Or duck?

Last edited 11 months ago by Billy Bob
Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

There are all sorts of weird food rules in the Bible based on beliefs about food safety from over 2000 years ago. Most of which are now irrelevant – e.g. we seem to be able to eat pork without problems.
I’m sure the Bible has its uses for some people. But probably not as a food safety manual these days.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter B

Right on.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter B

Right on.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

1. What’s classed as abominable? Insects? Liver? Dogs? Frogs? Pigs?
2. If you can’t eat anything that flies, am I not allowed pheasant? Or duck?

Last edited 11 months ago by Billy Bob
Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

There are all sorts of weird food rules in the Bible based on beliefs about food safety from over 2000 years ago. Most of which are now irrelevant – e.g. we seem to be able to eat pork without problems.
I’m sure the Bible has its uses for some people. But probably not as a food safety manual these days.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

‘Deuteronomy 14King James Version
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.”

John Pade
John Pade
11 months ago

We will. They won’t.

John Pade
John Pade
11 months ago

We will. They won’t.

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
11 months ago

Schwab should be the first to be force fed on this.

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
11 months ago

Schwab should be the first to be force fed on this.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

Our Lizard Masters command us to

‘Eat The Bugs’

They would – it is natural for them, well bugs and children, allegedly….

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

Our Lizard Masters command us to

‘Eat The Bugs’

They would – it is natural for them, well bugs and children, allegedly….

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
11 months ago

Not in this household. We are self sufficient for food (full on UK prepper). Insects need not apply – they are ultra processed, the very thing we have moved away from.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
11 months ago

Not in this household. We are self sufficient for food (full on UK prepper). Insects need not apply – they are ultra processed, the very thing we have moved away from.

Kevin Hansen
Kevin Hansen
11 months ago

Bee Wellington anyone? Cockroach au vin perhaps? The possibilities are endless. And it will also put an end to the old joke that begins- ‘ Waiter, there is a fly in my soup.’

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Hansen

Yuk, Yuk!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Hansen

Yuk, Yuk!

Kevin Hansen
Kevin Hansen
11 months ago

Bee Wellington anyone? Cockroach au vin perhaps? The possibilities are endless. And it will also put an end to the old joke that begins- ‘ Waiter, there is a fly in my soup.’

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
11 months ago

This is like something from a Monty Python sketch.
Most people intuitively don’t give two flying figs about the welfare of insects, and this intuition is not something which can simply be rationalised away by clever scientists, whichever arbitrary metric they decide to use – like calculus of insect pain, etc.
It’s embedded in the human experience, and probably an evolved instinct..
At the same time, most people intuitively don’t want to dine on bumblebee flesh

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
11 months ago

This is like something from a Monty Python sketch.
Most people intuitively don’t give two flying figs about the welfare of insects, and this intuition is not something which can simply be rationalised away by clever scientists, whichever arbitrary metric they decide to use – like calculus of insect pain, etc.
It’s embedded in the human experience, and probably an evolved instinct..
At the same time, most people intuitively don’t want to dine on bumblebee flesh

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
11 months ago

Here in rural northern Arizona, I can already find insect-based chips (crisps) at Kroger’s and insect-based hiking bars at Whole Foods. I have tried both and though I find them somewhat bland and pricey, I don’t understand the horror I’m hearing from food faddists who insist that The Gummint is about to force people to eat bugs, or that insects are more “processed,” their latest Bad Word.
To me it’s just another food choice, offered as one alternative in the vast array of comestibles offered at these market chains and all their competitors. Insects are a way of growing protein at a fraction of the environmental footprint of cattle, including requiring almost no water. In these parts, just that last bit is a huge advantage.

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
11 months ago

Here in rural northern Arizona, I can already find insect-based chips (crisps) at Kroger’s and insect-based hiking bars at Whole Foods. I have tried both and though I find them somewhat bland and pricey, I don’t understand the horror I’m hearing from food faddists who insist that The Gummint is about to force people to eat bugs, or that insects are more “processed,” their latest Bad Word.
To me it’s just another food choice, offered as one alternative in the vast array of comestibles offered at these market chains and all their competitors. Insects are a way of growing protein at a fraction of the environmental footprint of cattle, including requiring almost no water. In these parts, just that last bit is a huge advantage.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago

Nothing wrong with eating insects, I’ve had them in Asia and they were tasty enough

Robbie K
Robbie K
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have a problem with this either, especially if it’s for animal feed. What I wouldn’t eat however is an ultra processed product made from derived protien.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Robbie K

I can’t imagine it’s any worse for you than half of the processed rubbish already on the supermarket shelves, especially in the States

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Robbie K

I can’t imagine it’s any worse for you than half of the processed rubbish already on the supermarket shelves, especially in the States

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have an issue with people eating bugs either. Don’t think it’s for me, but if that’s what someone wants, have at it.

Persephone
Persephone
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Meaning “I don’t have a problem with the poor being forced to either eat this stuff or go hungry, but I will object strongly if people of my socio economic class are forced to eat them.” For shame Jim. If it’s not good enough for you, (and it isn’t), then it’s not good enough for anyone else either.
No one wants to eat this stuff. Klaus Scwabb want’s you to eat it; he doesn’t want to eat it himself. If anyone actually wanted to eat this rubbish, they already would be.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Persephone

I don’t believe Jim said anything of the sort. If you don’t want to eat something then don’t eat it, if others are happy eating insects then they’re free to do so. Why would you want to restrict the choices of others simply because you don’t like something?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Persephone

I don’t believe Jim said anything of the sort. If you don’t want to eat something then don’t eat it, if others are happy eating insects then they’re free to do so. Why would you want to restrict the choices of others simply because you don’t like something?

Persephone
Persephone
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Meaning “I don’t have a problem with the poor being forced to either eat this stuff or go hungry, but I will object strongly if people of my socio economic class are forced to eat them.” For shame Jim. If it’s not good enough for you, (and it isn’t), then it’s not good enough for anyone else either.
No one wants to eat this stuff. Klaus Scwabb want’s you to eat it; he doesn’t want to eat it himself. If anyone actually wanted to eat this rubbish, they already would be.

Robbie K
Robbie K
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have a problem with this either, especially if it’s for animal feed. What I wouldn’t eat however is an ultra processed product made from derived protien.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have an issue with people eating bugs either. Don’t think it’s for me, but if that’s what someone wants, have at it.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago

Nothing wrong with eating insects, I’ve had them in Asia and they were tasty enough

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago

No insect has ever become extinct has it? Bees are threatened but there are many bugs, like the common housefly and mosquitoes, that I would happily live without.

Last edited 11 months ago by Clare Knight
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago

No insect has ever become extinct has it? Bees are threatened but there are many bugs, like the common housefly and mosquitoes, that I would happily live without.

Last edited 11 months ago by Clare Knight
T Bone
T Bone
11 months ago

This is what happens to a society that hyperrationalizes everything dialectically. It’s just Experts imposing speculative feelings on everything and calling it “Science.” Make no mistake, this is not Empiricism or the Scientific Method. This is Alchemy.

T Bone
T Bone
11 months ago

This is what happens to a society that hyperrationalizes everything dialectically. It’s just Experts imposing speculative feelings on everything and calling it “Science.” Make no mistake, this is not Empiricism or the Scientific Method. This is Alchemy.