Maybe he is just another war monger.
If a Russian missile accidently landed on UK territory I would hope that any sensible government would hush it up or, if this were not possible, play it down.
We have enough people who seem to want to increase hostilities to what end I do not do
You’re basing your statement about Mr Kranz upon the accompanying headline? Do you not realise that writers of articles don’t write their own headlines?
Maybe he is just another war monger.
If a Russian missile accidently landed on UK territory I would hope that any sensible government would hush it up or, if this were not possible, play it down.
We have enough people who seem to want to increase hostilities to what end I do not do
You’re basing your statement about Mr Kranz upon the accompanying headline? Do you not realise that writers of articles don’t write their own headlines?
Marissa M
11 months ago
What an inflammatory headline.
Mr. Kranz seems to have a personal axe to grind.
David McKee
11 months ago
Golly, this is way overwritten. The incident was highly unlikely to have been deliberate, because (a) it was just one missile, not part of a wave of missiles, (b) it attacked nothing, it came to earth when it ran out of fuel, (c) Putin has no interest at all in dragging NATO into his war in Ukraine. I was an accident, caused by a weapon malfunction. Well, s**t happens.
If Mr. Kranz had been around at the time, I wonder what he would have made of this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)? It has everything – H-bombs, radiation leaks, aircraft debris raining down on a harmless fishing village, a gross violation of a neutral country’s sovereignty… But this was just a accident too.
Thank God Poland is trying any way to NOT go to war. If any country knows to go to the Gym but refrain being killed is Poland currently.
Seriously, find any way to keep out of this brutal war unlike the author.
Thank God Poland is trying any way to NOT go to war. If any country knows to go to the Gym but refrain being killed is Poland currently.
Seriously, find any way to keep out of this brutal war unlike the author.
David McKee
11 months ago
Golly, this is way overwritten. The incident was highly unlikely to have been deliberate, because (a) it was just one missile, not part of a wave of missiles, (b) it attacked nothing, it came to earth when it ran out of fuel, (c) Putin has no interest at all in dragging NATO into his war in Ukraine. I was an accident, caused by a weapon malfunction. Well, s**t happens.
If Mr. Kranz had been around at the time, I wonder what he would have made of this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)? It has everything – H-bombs, radiation leaks, aircraft debris raining down on a harmless fishing village, a gross violation of a neutral country’s sovereignty… But this was just a accident too.
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
I’m reminded of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. I’m also reminded of the explosion that destroyed Nord Stream 2. Poland isn’t the only poop show in this alliance.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans – its the only country that has the capabilities to carry it out. Ukraine flag sh*ggers will claim it was Russia even though they could just have switched it off at their end.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans.
I believe that the pipeline was blown up by the Americans. I have nothing to prove this, but I hate the Americans, because thy’re big and powerful, and give the Russians a free pass.
Just thought that I’d parse the above sentence for you.
Just for clarity’s sake, I don’t know who did it; I have no proof either.
No we just need to understand that being in NATO etc makes us part of the American Empire and its interests are not always aligned with ours and its actions are seriously hurting Europe.
If not the Americans who? Ukraine, Poland etc don’t have the means to blow it up in the way it was done. Russia and Germany wouldn’t blow up their own pipeline.
No we just need to understand that being in NATO etc makes us part of the American Empire and its interests are not always aligned with ours and its actions are seriously hurting Europe.
If not the Americans who? Ukraine, Poland etc don’t have the means to blow it up in the way it was done. Russia and Germany wouldn’t blow up their own pipeline.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans.
I believe that the pipeline was blown up by the Americans. I have nothing to prove this, but I hate the Americans, because thy’re big and powerful, and give the Russians a free pass.
Just thought that I’d parse the above sentence for you.
Just for clarity’s sake, I don’t know who did it; I have no proof either.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans – its the only country that has the capabilities to carry it out. Ukraine flag sh*ggers will claim it was Russia even though they could just have switched it off at their end.
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
I’m reminded of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. I’m also reminded of the explosion that destroyed Nord Stream 2. Poland isn’t the only poop show in this alliance.
Rob N
11 months ago
This is a strange article. It seems perfectly politically sensible (not necessarily morally) to keep this incident quiet. What would making a big fuss out of an, almost certain, accident with no injuries or damage do?
Poland are trying to improve their military (thank God someone is) and is also trying to secure their borders from all threats inc illegal immigrants. Basically they seem to be a country with a government that cares about its own people, at least more than most of the “West”.
I read these kinds of comments a lot from people not in Poland. PiS is nothing to emulate or envy. They shut down opposition media, they silence opponents with spurious corruption charges, they stack courts with compliant judges. These are not friends of freedom or western values.
I read these kinds of comments a lot from people not in Poland. PiS is nothing to emulate or envy. They shut down opposition media, they silence opponents with spurious corruption charges, they stack courts with compliant judges. These are not friends of freedom or western values.
Rob N
11 months ago
This is a strange article. It seems perfectly politically sensible (not necessarily morally) to keep this incident quiet. What would making a big fuss out of an, almost certain, accident with no injuries or damage do?
Poland are trying to improve their military (thank God someone is) and is also trying to secure their borders from all threats inc illegal immigrants. Basically they seem to be a country with a government that cares about its own people, at least more than most of the “West”.
Mark Phillips
11 months ago
Lots of “coulda, woulda, shoulda” going on with this writer. Bigger question; can anyone trust NATO (the yanks)?
Lots of “coulda, woulda, shoulda” going on with this writer. Bigger question; can anyone trust NATO (the yanks)?
Martin Terrell
11 months ago
This could also be a story out of nothing. Maybe it was decided to say nothing. No need to inflame tensions and no need to admit that air defence systems are not as good as we think they are.
Martin Terrell
11 months ago
This could also be a story out of nothing. Maybe it was decided to say nothing. No need to inflame tensions and no need to admit that air defence systems are not as good as we think they are.
tr67j6bdww
11 months ago
“Poland’s politicians must realise they cannot afford to sacrifice national security for the sake of their political careers”
But PiS politicians are specialists at sacrificing the greater good for their political careers. It is the party’s main platform.
tr67j6bdww
11 months ago
“Poland’s politicians must realise they cannot afford to sacrifice national security for the sake of their political careers”
But PiS politicians are specialists at sacrificing the greater good for their political careers. It is the party’s main platform.
Hardee Hodges
11 months ago
Even the Russians have difficulty with detecting cruise missiles. Even a few rather dumb drones have caused damage in Russia. But the Poles do need to step up their game, even in “peacetime”.
Hardee Hodges
11 months ago
Even the Russians have difficulty with detecting cruise missiles. Even a few rather dumb drones have caused damage in Russia. But the Poles do need to step up their game, even in “peacetime”.
I’d love to. Have you found the magic wand, though.
Samuel Ross
11 months ago
We should all be friends and get along ….
Jacques Rossat
11 months ago
Even if perhaps over-hyped, this incident shows, for me, that be it in military, political and economic domains, Poland cannot be trusted as a strong ally. They keep enjoying incredible help from the EU and NATO and fiddling with Russia when this suits them.
Poland is one of the few countries which spends over 2% of GDP on defence and much more soon.
Going by your name you might be French.
It is France which constantly undermines NATO with its plans for European army.
And it is France which together with Germany undermined Europe energy and military security by appeasing Russian aggression of not just Ukraine but Georgia.
What this incident shows for me is that all it would take for a full blown global war to start would be one mistake that creates a devastating outcome. I suspect the odds of such an occurrence are greater than most of us realize.
Poland is one of the few countries which spends over 2% of GDP on defence and much more soon.
Going by your name you might be French.
It is France which constantly undermines NATO with its plans for European army.
And it is France which together with Germany undermined Europe energy and military security by appeasing Russian aggression of not just Ukraine but Georgia.
What this incident shows for me is that all it would take for a full blown global war to start would be one mistake that creates a devastating outcome. I suspect the odds of such an occurrence are greater than most of us realize.
Jacques Rossat
11 months ago
Even if perhaps over-hyped, this incident shows, for me, that be it in military, political and economic domains, Poland cannot be trusted as a strong ally. They keep enjoying incredible help from the EU and NATO and fiddling with Russia when this suits them.
What an inflammatory headline.
Mr. Kranz seems to have a personal axe to grind.
The headline has now been updated from the original version.
Ah…well, good job.
I am not a PiS fan. Looks like you’re a Polish kid from Chicago. Good luck to you.
Musimy się wspierać lol
Ah…well, good job.
I am not a PiS fan. Looks like you’re a Polish kid from Chicago. Good luck to you.
Musimy się wspierać lol
Maybe just another war monger.
Maybe he is just another war monger.
If a Russian missile accidently landed on UK territory I would hope that any sensible government would hush it up or, if this were not possible, play it down.
We have enough people who seem to want to increase hostilities to what end I do not do
You’re basing your statement about Mr Kranz upon the accompanying headline? Do you not realise that writers of articles don’t write their own headlines?
No.
On the article itself as well.
No.
On the article itself as well.
The headline has now been updated from the original version.
Maybe just another war monger.
Maybe he is just another war monger.
If a Russian missile accidently landed on UK territory I would hope that any sensible government would hush it up or, if this were not possible, play it down.
We have enough people who seem to want to increase hostilities to what end I do not do
You’re basing your statement about Mr Kranz upon the accompanying headline? Do you not realise that writers of articles don’t write their own headlines?
What an inflammatory headline.
Mr. Kranz seems to have a personal axe to grind.
Golly, this is way overwritten. The incident was highly unlikely to have been deliberate, because (a) it was just one missile, not part of a wave of missiles, (b) it attacked nothing, it came to earth when it ran out of fuel, (c) Putin has no interest at all in dragging NATO into his war in Ukraine. I was an accident, caused by a weapon malfunction. Well, s**t happens.
If Mr. Kranz had been around at the time, I wonder what he would have made of this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)? It has everything – H-bombs, radiation leaks, aircraft debris raining down on a harmless fishing village, a gross violation of a neutral country’s sovereignty… But this was just a accident too.
Finally! The voice of Reason in these comments.
Thank God Poland is trying any way to NOT go to war. If any country knows to go to the Gym but refrain being killed is Poland currently.
Seriously, find any way to keep out of this brutal war unlike the author.
Finally! The voice of Reason in these comments.
Thank God Poland is trying any way to NOT go to war. If any country knows to go to the Gym but refrain being killed is Poland currently.
Seriously, find any way to keep out of this brutal war unlike the author.
Golly, this is way overwritten. The incident was highly unlikely to have been deliberate, because (a) it was just one missile, not part of a wave of missiles, (b) it attacked nothing, it came to earth when it ran out of fuel, (c) Putin has no interest at all in dragging NATO into his war in Ukraine. I was an accident, caused by a weapon malfunction. Well, s**t happens.
If Mr. Kranz had been around at the time, I wonder what he would have made of this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash)? It has everything – H-bombs, radiation leaks, aircraft debris raining down on a harmless fishing village, a gross violation of a neutral country’s sovereignty… But this was just a accident too.
I’m reminded of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. I’m also reminded of the explosion that destroyed Nord Stream 2. Poland isn’t the only poop show in this alliance.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans – its the only country that has the capabilities to carry it out. Ukraine flag sh*ggers will claim it was Russia even though they could just have switched it off at their end.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans.
I believe that the pipeline was blown up by the Americans. I have nothing to prove this, but I hate the Americans, because thy’re big and powerful, and give the Russians a free pass.
Just thought that I’d parse the above sentence for you.
Just for clarity’s sake, I don’t know who did it; I have no proof either.
You think the Russians blew up their own pipeline?
No idea, as I said, I don’t know.
No idea, as I said, I don’t know.
No we just need to understand that being in NATO etc makes us part of the American Empire and its interests are not always aligned with ours and its actions are seriously hurting Europe.
If not the Americans who? Ukraine, Poland etc don’t have the means to blow it up in the way it was done. Russia and Germany wouldn’t blow up their own pipeline.
You think the Russians blew up their own pipeline?
No we just need to understand that being in NATO etc makes us part of the American Empire and its interests are not always aligned with ours and its actions are seriously hurting Europe.
If not the Americans who? Ukraine, Poland etc don’t have the means to blow it up in the way it was done. Russia and Germany wouldn’t blow up their own pipeline.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans.
I believe that the pipeline was blown up by the Americans. I have nothing to prove this, but I hate the Americans, because thy’re big and powerful, and give the Russians a free pass.
Just thought that I’d parse the above sentence for you.
Just for clarity’s sake, I don’t know who did it; I have no proof either.
Pipeline was blown up by the Americans – its the only country that has the capabilities to carry it out. Ukraine flag sh*ggers will claim it was Russia even though they could just have switched it off at their end.
I’m reminded of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. I’m also reminded of the explosion that destroyed Nord Stream 2. Poland isn’t the only poop show in this alliance.
This is a strange article. It seems perfectly politically sensible (not necessarily morally) to keep this incident quiet. What would making a big fuss out of an, almost certain, accident with no injuries or damage do?
Poland are trying to improve their military (thank God someone is) and is also trying to secure their borders from all threats inc illegal immigrants. Basically they seem to be a country with a government that cares about its own people, at least more than most of the “West”.
I read these kinds of comments a lot from people not in Poland. PiS is nothing to emulate or envy. They shut down opposition media, they silence opponents with spurious corruption charges, they stack courts with compliant judges. These are not friends of freedom or western values.
I read these kinds of comments a lot from people not in Poland. PiS is nothing to emulate or envy. They shut down opposition media, they silence opponents with spurious corruption charges, they stack courts with compliant judges. These are not friends of freedom or western values.
This is a strange article. It seems perfectly politically sensible (not necessarily morally) to keep this incident quiet. What would making a big fuss out of an, almost certain, accident with no injuries or damage do?
Poland are trying to improve their military (thank God someone is) and is also trying to secure their borders from all threats inc illegal immigrants. Basically they seem to be a country with a government that cares about its own people, at least more than most of the “West”.
Lots of “coulda, woulda, shoulda” going on with this writer. Bigger question; can anyone trust NATO (the yanks)?
In what way?
In what way?
Lots of “coulda, woulda, shoulda” going on with this writer. Bigger question; can anyone trust NATO (the yanks)?
This could also be a story out of nothing. Maybe it was decided to say nothing. No need to inflame tensions and no need to admit that air defence systems are not as good as we think they are.
This could also be a story out of nothing. Maybe it was decided to say nothing. No need to inflame tensions and no need to admit that air defence systems are not as good as we think they are.
“Poland’s politicians must realise they cannot afford to sacrifice national security for the sake of their political careers”
But PiS politicians are specialists at sacrificing the greater good for their political careers. It is the party’s main platform.
“Poland’s politicians must realise they cannot afford to sacrifice national security for the sake of their political careers”
But PiS politicians are specialists at sacrificing the greater good for their political careers. It is the party’s main platform.
Even the Russians have difficulty with detecting cruise missiles. Even a few rather dumb drones have caused damage in Russia. But the Poles do need to step up their game, even in “peacetime”.
Even the Russians have difficulty with detecting cruise missiles. Even a few rather dumb drones have caused damage in Russia. But the Poles do need to step up their game, even in “peacetime”.
We should all be friends and get along ….
But how would American arm’s manufactures make money? They are already trying to lay the ground for war with China.
I’d love to. Have you found the magic wand, though.
But how would American arm’s manufactures make money? They are already trying to lay the ground for war with China.
I’d love to. Have you found the magic wand, though.
We should all be friends and get along ….
Even if perhaps over-hyped, this incident shows, for me, that be it in military, political and economic domains, Poland cannot be trusted as a strong ally. They keep enjoying incredible help from the EU and NATO and fiddling with Russia when this suits them.
Poland is one of the few countries which spends over 2% of GDP on defence and much more soon.
Going by your name you might be French.
It is France which constantly undermines NATO with its plans for European army.
And it is France which together with Germany undermined Europe energy and military security by appeasing Russian aggression of not just Ukraine but Georgia.
What this incident shows for me is that all it would take for a full blown global war to start would be one mistake that creates a devastating outcome. I suspect the odds of such an occurrence are greater than most of us realize.
Poland is one of the few countries which spends over 2% of GDP on defence and much more soon.
Going by your name you might be French.
It is France which constantly undermines NATO with its plans for European army.
And it is France which together with Germany undermined Europe energy and military security by appeasing Russian aggression of not just Ukraine but Georgia.
What this incident shows for me is that all it would take for a full blown global war to start would be one mistake that creates a devastating outcome. I suspect the odds of such an occurrence are greater than most of us realize.
Even if perhaps over-hyped, this incident shows, for me, that be it in military, political and economic domains, Poland cannot be trusted as a strong ally. They keep enjoying incredible help from the EU and NATO and fiddling with Russia when this suits them.