How many times have we heard the rhetoric of stricter immigration controls yet nothing ever happens?
Ben M
11 months ago
How many times have we heard the rhetoric of stricter immigration controls yet nothing ever happens?
Katharine Eyre
11 months ago
Good article – the only thing missing that might have been good to mention was the row between the Bundesregierung (the federal government) and the municipalities about the financing of migration costs. The article mentions that the government has now shaken loose some more money, but even that took a lot of tension and argument to achieve. For a long time, it was a case of the federal government holding the doors open for all the world and his wife but then leaving all the real and practical aspects of migration (from accomodation to schools) to the municipalities. The German Minister for the Interior, Nancy Faeser just seems like the most incompetent person imaginable. “Under a new Europe-wide deal, Germany hopes for a more distribution of asylum-seekers and refugees across the continent — probably pie in the sky”.
Not “probably”. It IS pie in the sky. Why this redistribution is still being brought up when it has been clear for at least 5 years that it’s never going to fly is a mark of how lost politicians are with this.
Last edited 11 months ago by Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
11 months ago
Good article – the only thing missing that might have been good to mention was the row between the Bundesregierung (the federal government) and the municipalities about the financing of migration costs. The article mentions that the government has now shaken loose some more money, but even that took a lot of tension and argument to achieve. For a long time, it was a case of the federal government holding the doors open for all the world and his wife but then leaving all the real and practical aspects of migration (from accomodation to schools) to the municipalities. The German Minister for the Interior, Nancy Faeser just seems like the most incompetent person imaginable. “Under a new Europe-wide deal, Germany hopes for a more distribution of asylum-seekers and refugees across the continent — probably pie in the sky”.
Not “probably”. It IS pie in the sky. Why this redistribution is still being brought up when it has been clear for at least 5 years that it’s never going to fly is a mark of how lost politicians are with this.
Last edited 11 months ago by Katharine Eyre
Samuel Ross
11 months ago
Germany disappoints, more often than not. Famed for order and discipline, let us see if they will gain fame for righteousness and wisdom. I often see short-sighted decisions from this European country, feel-good thinking mingled with orderly thought, great ability lacking long-sighted direction. Is bravery missing from this modern iteration of Germany?
There’s a brilliant phrase in German that hits the nail on the head here: “die Welt soll sich am deutschen Wesen genesen”. It means that the world would be a better place if everyone would be like the Germans. Sounds arrogant, but it is used mainly in an ironic way by Germans who are exasperated with their own country’s insistence on trying to be a “Moralweltmeister“, or a world leader in morals.
These may be reasonable points, but the abysmal and chaotic mass legal and illegal immigration into the UK – hardly gives us any right to pontificate!!
There’s a brilliant phrase in German that hits the nail on the head here: “die Welt soll sich am deutschen Wesen genesen”. It means that the world would be a better place if everyone would be like the Germans. Sounds arrogant, but it is used mainly in an ironic way by Germans who are exasperated with their own country’s insistence on trying to be a “Moralweltmeister“, or a world leader in morals.
These may be reasonable points, but the abysmal and chaotic mass legal and illegal immigration into the UK – hardly gives us any right to pontificate!!
Samuel Ross
11 months ago
Germany disappoints, more often than not. Famed for order and discipline, let us see if they will gain fame for righteousness and wisdom. I often see short-sighted decisions from this European country, feel-good thinking mingled with orderly thought, great ability lacking long-sighted direction. Is bravery missing from this modern iteration of Germany?
Warren Trees
11 months ago
I don’t understand how it can be that the country is being overwhelmed with immigrants, yet German firms are struggling with finding workers.
Not right sort of immigrants? And they get the pick before those refused head for Calais
Warren Trees
11 months ago
I don’t understand how it can be that the country is being overwhelmed with immigrants, yet German firms are struggling with finding workers.
J. Hale
11 months ago
If Germany won’t compete in a race to the bottom then they’ll win the race as the destination of choice for millions of illegal migrants and those with dubious asylum claims.
J. Hale
11 months ago
If Germany won’t compete in a race to the bottom then they’ll win the race as the destination of choice for millions of illegal migrants and those with dubious asylum claims.
Julian Pellatt
11 months ago
Earlier this week another Unherd article reported the Home Office’s concern that annual net immigration into the UK in 2023 may exceed one million (Yes, ONE MILLION!) – twice as many as in 2022 at 500,000 net.
That more than matches Merkel’s humanitarian gesture of 2015, all the more so as hers effectively admitted that number into Europe, not Germany alone.
I am looking forward to the Guardian writing a very complimentary article about what good souls we are for taking them in.
Julian Pellatt
11 months ago
Earlier this week another Unherd article reported the Home Office’s concern that annual net immigration into the UK in 2023 may exceed one million (Yes, ONE MILLION!) – twice as many as in 2022 at 500,000 net.
That more than matches Merkel’s humanitarian gesture of 2015, all the more so as hers effectively admitted that number into Europe, not Germany alone.
Charles Stanhope
11 months ago
‘We’ very generously and rather stupidly it must be said, ceded the island of Heligoland* to Germany in 1890.
They should now turn it into an ‘Internierungslager’ or Detention Camp with immediate effect.
Any overflow should be accommodated in a similar facility constructed by our good selves in Scapa Flow.
(* it wasn’t even there’s in the first place but Danish!)
Charles Stanhope
11 months ago
‘We’ very generously and rather stupidly it must be said, ceded the island of Heligoland* to Germany in 1890.
They should now turn it into an ‘Internierungslager’ or Detention Camp with immediate effect.
Any overflow should be accommodated in a similar facility constructed by our good selves in Scapa Flow.
(* it wasn’t even there’s in the first place but Danish!)
Christopher Chantrill
11 months ago
You chaps should be reading the history of immigration into the US.
Let’s take the Irish, who started immigrating big time in the Potato Famine of the 1840s. They lived in ethnic ghettos as “shanty Irish” and had gangs and corrupt politics, and in New York City there were said to be 50,000 “nymphs of the pave.” Because I have limited experience of life on the pavement I have no idea what that means.
But, by the end of the 19th century people started to talk about “lace curtain Irish.”
Of course the best-behaved immigrants were the Germans. Who also had their potato famine in the 1840s. But it all collapsed in 2023 with Budweiser’s Bud Lite and transgender influencers.
Christopher Chantrill
11 months ago
You chaps should be reading the history of immigration into the US.
Let’s take the Irish, who started immigrating big time in the Potato Famine of the 1840s. They lived in ethnic ghettos as “shanty Irish” and had gangs and corrupt politics, and in New York City there were said to be 50,000 “nymphs of the pave.” Because I have limited experience of life on the pavement I have no idea what that means.
But, by the end of the 19th century people started to talk about “lace curtain Irish.”
Of course the best-behaved immigrants were the Germans. Who also had their potato famine in the 1840s. But it all collapsed in 2023 with Budweiser’s Bud Lite and transgender influencers.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
11 months ago
Germany’s war guilt must never be forgotten… it had never been repayed.
And in return for destroying 80% of the German army, 20 million dead and immense destruction of property, the Soviets got stuck with Stalin as their leader for another decade and the animosity of their so called allies.
And in return for destroying 80% of the German army, 20 million dead and immense destruction of property, the Soviets got stuck with Stalin as their leader for another decade and the animosity of their so called allies.
I beg to disagree Nicky, if the Germans haven’t repaid their debt, they’ve certainly tried harder than any other country in the world to achieve that end.
Inherited guilt is immoral. In much the same way that descendants of slave selling west African kings, and those of slave holders in the Americas and the entire Arab world cannot be held responsible for acts of evil from generations before.
The concept of redemption is at the very heart of the culture of the Christian West. It just might mean something.
I beg to disagree Nicky, if the Germans haven’t repaid their debt, they’ve certainly tried harder than any other country in the world to achieve that end.
Inherited guilt is immoral. In much the same way that descendants of slave selling west African kings, and those of slave holders in the Americas and the entire Arab world cannot be held responsible for acts of evil from generations before.
The concept of redemption is at the very heart of the culture of the Christian West. It just might mean something.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
11 months ago
Germany’s war guilt must never be forgotten… it had never been repayed.
How many times have we heard the rhetoric of stricter immigration controls yet nothing ever happens?
How many times have we heard the rhetoric of stricter immigration controls yet nothing ever happens?
Good article – the only thing missing that might have been good to mention was the row between the Bundesregierung (the federal government) and the municipalities about the financing of migration costs. The article mentions that the government has now shaken loose some more money, but even that took a lot of tension and argument to achieve. For a long time, it was a case of the federal government holding the doors open for all the world and his wife but then leaving all the real and practical aspects of migration (from accomodation to schools) to the municipalities. The German Minister for the Interior, Nancy Faeser just seems like the most incompetent person imaginable.
“Under a new Europe-wide deal, Germany hopes for a more distribution of asylum-seekers and refugees across the continent — probably pie in the sky”.
Not “probably”. It IS pie in the sky. Why this redistribution is still being brought up when it has been clear for at least 5 years that it’s never going to fly is a mark of how lost politicians are with this.
Good article – the only thing missing that might have been good to mention was the row between the Bundesregierung (the federal government) and the municipalities about the financing of migration costs. The article mentions that the government has now shaken loose some more money, but even that took a lot of tension and argument to achieve. For a long time, it was a case of the federal government holding the doors open for all the world and his wife but then leaving all the real and practical aspects of migration (from accomodation to schools) to the municipalities. The German Minister for the Interior, Nancy Faeser just seems like the most incompetent person imaginable.
“Under a new Europe-wide deal, Germany hopes for a more distribution of asylum-seekers and refugees across the continent — probably pie in the sky”.
Not “probably”. It IS pie in the sky. Why this redistribution is still being brought up when it has been clear for at least 5 years that it’s never going to fly is a mark of how lost politicians are with this.
Germany disappoints, more often than not. Famed for order and discipline, let us see if they will gain fame for righteousness and wisdom. I often see short-sighted decisions from this European country, feel-good thinking mingled with orderly thought, great ability lacking long-sighted direction. Is bravery missing from this modern iteration of Germany?
There’s a brilliant phrase in German that hits the nail on the head here: “die Welt soll sich am deutschen Wesen genesen”. It means that the world would be a better place if everyone would be like the Germans. Sounds arrogant, but it is used mainly in an ironic way by Germans who are exasperated with their own country’s insistence on trying to be a “Moralweltmeister“, or a world leader in morals.
These may be reasonable points, but the abysmal and chaotic mass legal and illegal immigration into the UK – hardly gives us any right to pontificate!!
There’s a brilliant phrase in German that hits the nail on the head here: “die Welt soll sich am deutschen Wesen genesen”. It means that the world would be a better place if everyone would be like the Germans. Sounds arrogant, but it is used mainly in an ironic way by Germans who are exasperated with their own country’s insistence on trying to be a “Moralweltmeister“, or a world leader in morals.
These may be reasonable points, but the abysmal and chaotic mass legal and illegal immigration into the UK – hardly gives us any right to pontificate!!
Germany disappoints, more often than not. Famed for order and discipline, let us see if they will gain fame for righteousness and wisdom. I often see short-sighted decisions from this European country, feel-good thinking mingled with orderly thought, great ability lacking long-sighted direction. Is bravery missing from this modern iteration of Germany?
I don’t understand how it can be that the country is being overwhelmed with immigrants, yet German firms are struggling with finding workers.
Not right sort of immigrants? And they get the pick before those refused head for Calais
Not right sort of immigrants? And they get the pick before those refused head for Calais
I don’t understand how it can be that the country is being overwhelmed with immigrants, yet German firms are struggling with finding workers.
If Germany won’t compete in a race to the bottom then they’ll win the race as the destination of choice for millions of illegal migrants and those with dubious asylum claims.
If Germany won’t compete in a race to the bottom then they’ll win the race as the destination of choice for millions of illegal migrants and those with dubious asylum claims.
Earlier this week another Unherd article reported the Home Office’s concern that annual net immigration into the UK in 2023 may exceed one million (Yes, ONE MILLION!) – twice as many as in 2022 at 500,000 net.
That more than matches Merkel’s humanitarian gesture of 2015, all the more so as hers effectively admitted that number into Europe, not Germany alone.
I am looking forward to the Guardian writing a very complimentary article about what good souls we are for taking them in.
Those Guardian writers are certainly not living next to those uninvited guests.
Those Guardian writers are certainly not living next to those uninvited guests.
I am looking forward to the Guardian writing a very complimentary article about what good souls we are for taking them in.
Earlier this week another Unherd article reported the Home Office’s concern that annual net immigration into the UK in 2023 may exceed one million (Yes, ONE MILLION!) – twice as many as in 2022 at 500,000 net.
That more than matches Merkel’s humanitarian gesture of 2015, all the more so as hers effectively admitted that number into Europe, not Germany alone.
‘We’ very generously and rather stupidly it must be said, ceded the island of Heligoland* to Germany in 1890.
They should now turn it into an ‘Internierungslager’ or Detention Camp with immediate effect.
Any overflow should be accommodated in a similar facility constructed by our good selves in Scapa Flow.
(* it wasn’t even there’s in the first place but Danish!)
‘We’ very generously and rather stupidly it must be said, ceded the island of Heligoland* to Germany in 1890.
They should now turn it into an ‘Internierungslager’ or Detention Camp with immediate effect.
Any overflow should be accommodated in a similar facility constructed by our good selves in Scapa Flow.
(* it wasn’t even there’s in the first place but Danish!)
You chaps should be reading the history of immigration into the US.
Let’s take the Irish, who started immigrating big time in the Potato Famine of the 1840s. They lived in ethnic ghettos as “shanty Irish” and had gangs and corrupt politics, and in New York City there were said to be 50,000 “nymphs of the pave.” Because I have limited experience of life on the pavement I have no idea what that means.
But, by the end of the 19th century people started to talk about “lace curtain Irish.”
Of course the best-behaved immigrants were the Germans. Who also had their potato famine in the 1840s. But it all collapsed in 2023 with Budweiser’s Bud Lite and transgender influencers.
You chaps should be reading the history of immigration into the US.
Let’s take the Irish, who started immigrating big time in the Potato Famine of the 1840s. They lived in ethnic ghettos as “shanty Irish” and had gangs and corrupt politics, and in New York City there were said to be 50,000 “nymphs of the pave.” Because I have limited experience of life on the pavement I have no idea what that means.
But, by the end of the 19th century people started to talk about “lace curtain Irish.”
Of course the best-behaved immigrants were the Germans. Who also had their potato famine in the 1840s. But it all collapsed in 2023 with Budweiser’s Bud Lite and transgender influencers.
Germany’s war guilt must never be forgotten… it had never been repayed.
Britain got unpayable debt, Germany got free national infrastructure.
And in return for destroying 80% of the German army, 20 million dead and immense destruction of property, the Soviets got stuck with Stalin as their leader for another decade and the animosity of their so called allies.
And in return for destroying 80% of the German army, 20 million dead and immense destruction of property, the Soviets got stuck with Stalin as their leader for another decade and the animosity of their so called allies.
I beg to disagree Nicky, if the Germans haven’t repaid their debt, they’ve certainly tried harder than any other country in the world to achieve that end.
Inherited guilt is immoral. In much the same way that descendants of slave selling west African kings, and those of slave holders in the Americas and the entire Arab world cannot be held responsible for acts of evil from generations before.
The concept of redemption is at the very heart of the culture of the Christian West. It just might mean something.
Britain got unpayable debt, Germany got free national infrastructure.
I beg to disagree Nicky, if the Germans haven’t repaid their debt, they’ve certainly tried harder than any other country in the world to achieve that end.
Inherited guilt is immoral. In much the same way that descendants of slave selling west African kings, and those of slave holders in the Americas and the entire Arab world cannot be held responsible for acts of evil from generations before.
The concept of redemption is at the very heart of the culture of the Christian West. It just might mean something.
Germany’s war guilt must never be forgotten… it had never been repayed.