We’re still eating a glut of chocolate from the Easter egg-hunt. But we also have a glut of real eggs: over two dozen, from our six back-garden chickens. As my house struggles with an egg surfeit, though, Britain’s shops have the opposite problem. This week, it was reported that many of the hens now supplying British shops are Italian. This is, producers claim, because supermarket pricing has forced many British egg farmers out of business. After a few years of selling your eggs at a loss, what is a farmer to do?
One of the UK’s poultry producers’ associations reported last autumn that between bird flu and persistently low margins, up to a third of its members either reduced production or closed down altogether. One former egg farm near me now rents storage units; another has been on the market for months, unable to find a buyer. As a result, there aren’t enough eggs to stock the shelves — and supermarkets are importing them from Italy. “So what?” you might ask. This is the market at work. But around this time three years ago, egg politics looked for a moment as though they might be on a different course.
Covid lockdowns scrambled many of the food supply chains we’d grown accustomed to — and as the country reeled, it seemed briefly as though more local networks might begin to re-emerge. (This was the point we first got our birds, albeit less with profit in mind than our own kitchen.) On my street, neighbours with back-garden poultry did a roaring trade.
Early 2020 brought a wider sense, too, that Covid might signal the end for free-trade absolutism more generally, and prompt a return to more bounded and local networks. But three years on, although my street still has several poultry-keepers, most have reverted to buying eggs from the shops. The turn away from free trade, if the Italian egg suppliers are anything to go by, has yet to occur.
Why, then, do we seem unable to imagine any other way of doing things? This seemingly inexorable drift back to the impersonal market epitomises Britain’s approach to food. This system, which we embraced in earnest nearly two centuries ago, maps a belief in the impersonal logic of “the market” onto a terrain whose most important attributes are simply not visible to market logic. And egg politics shows, in microcosm, just how poorly this ideology meshes with food production — to the extent that it now threatens our capacity to produce food at all.
Our trajectory toward the current situation was set out by Karl Polanyi, in the influential 1944 book, The Great Transformation. Humans, Polanyi argues, have always bought, sold, and exchanged things. But for the most part, across time and cultures, the market has been ordered to the needs of social institutions, and regulated accordingly. What’s unique about the modern world, he suggests, is that it works the other way round: our social institutions are ordered to the market.
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SubscribeA great essay Mary, thank you. I’m (also) of the opinion that our shift from an obligation-first polity to one based on rights and consumption lies at the basis of so many of the socio-economic problems and the moral dysfunction we find ourselves living with. A polity that prioritises rights and consumption leads only to alienation: not just from our neighbours and our food, but also from something as seemingly small as our understanding of chickens’ behaviour towards their eggs in the springtime, and therefore alienation from the roots of our own cultural practises.
It is beyond me at present as to how we could begin to restore a culture of obligation, though I feel it is perhaps a crisis of the spiritual realm, rather than one of policy.
“I feel it is perhaps a crisis of the spiritual realm, rather than one of policy.” Yes – and that is a good reason for hope! Crisis brings revelation brings transformation. It is the doctrinal materialism which has come to dominate Western civilization (personified above all in self-regarding progressives) which has dissipated (it can never actually be broken) our sense of the ontological interconnectedness of everything in Nature at a very fundamental level. Meanwhile, the chickens are coming home to roost.
“I feel it is perhaps a crisis of the spiritual realm, rather than one of policy.” Yes – and that is a good reason for hope! Crisis brings revelation brings transformation. It is the doctrinal materialism which has come to dominate Western civilization (personified above all in self-regarding progressives) which has dissipated (it can never actually be broken) our sense of the ontological interconnectedness of everything in Nature at a very fundamental level. Meanwhile, the chickens are coming home to roost.
A great essay Mary, thank you. I’m (also) of the opinion that our shift from an obligation-first polity to one based on rights and consumption lies at the basis of so many of the socio-economic problems and the moral dysfunction we find ourselves living with. A polity that prioritises rights and consumption leads only to alienation: not just from our neighbours and our food, but also from something as seemingly small as our understanding of chickens’ behaviour towards their eggs in the springtime, and therefore alienation from the roots of our own cultural practises.
It is beyond me at present as to how we could begin to restore a culture of obligation, though I feel it is perhaps a crisis of the spiritual realm, rather than one of policy.
Uncomfortably acute call for a hard look at what comes first. Just what Unherd is for.
Reminds me of the Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall series that encouraged people and communities to keep chickens as an alternative to intense farming. Ideals no doubt we can relate to, at least in principle, yet he failed to grasp that the UK consumes well over a billion chickens a year.
Keeping chickens is also little more than a hobby, it’s actually more economical to just buy meat and eggs.
90% of the population can’t afford to eat at River Cottage produce prices. As an Old Etonian, Hugh F-W doesn’t quite grasp why the poor eat the way they do.
Most people have no idea that you need to buy chicken feed and it is very expensive, just like dog food or cat food. I’m definitely in the hole raising my chickens even if I sell a few dozen eggs here and there. I can’t free range them because of wild animals and hawks. However, I do feed them scraps and garden surplus to stretch the food. I still like Mary’s post. She’s right that people, myself included, don’t like to be entangled with possibly troublesome neighbors. We like to choose our aquaintances.
90% of the population can’t afford to eat at River Cottage produce prices. As an Old Etonian, Hugh F-W doesn’t quite grasp why the poor eat the way they do.
Most people have no idea that you need to buy chicken feed and it is very expensive, just like dog food or cat food. I’m definitely in the hole raising my chickens even if I sell a few dozen eggs here and there. I can’t free range them because of wild animals and hawks. However, I do feed them scraps and garden surplus to stretch the food. I still like Mary’s post. She’s right that people, myself included, don’t like to be entangled with possibly troublesome neighbors. We like to choose our aquaintances.
Reminds me of the Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall series that encouraged people and communities to keep chickens as an alternative to intense farming. Ideals no doubt we can relate to, at least in principle, yet he failed to grasp that the UK consumes well over a billion chickens a year.
Keeping chickens is also little more than a hobby, it’s actually more economical to just buy meat and eggs.
Uncomfortably acute call for a hard look at what comes first. Just what Unherd is for.
Sadly, despite repeatedly bandying about the phrase, Mary doesn’t seem to understand what mercantilism actually is.
Mary’s version equates mercantilism with free trade. This is absoutely not what it is. It is actually about protectionist policies to maximise exports.
Show me a recent Tory government that’s been bent on maximising exports ! Quite the reverse. The “egg policy” (if indeed there is one – I doubt it) appears to have the effect of maximising imports.
If any country is associated with mercantilism – and arguably tries to follow that policy today – it is France (arguably also China).
Back to the matter of the eggs.
If it is cheaper for us to import eggs from Italy than produce them locally, there can only be a limited number of reasons. These would include possible subisidisation of production, energy prices, feed prices and animal welfare. It is hard to imagine that there’s any inherent advantage in the Italian hen population or climate that’s moving the needle here.
My guess would be that we’re outsourcing animal welfare to Italy here. But just a guess.
In any case, there appears to be a wide range of egg types and prices in my local supermarket – there are plenty of options for paying more. Likewise small local suppliers exist.
All this “food insecurity” talk. I don’t recall serious food shortages even during Covid. There was always enough food.
What problem are we really trying to solve here ? I do hope we aren’t trying to leverage “food insecurity” as a means to change an economic and political settlement that the vast majority are content with.
The Repeal of the Corn Laws was one of the greatest achievements of the nineteenth century and directly led to far greater wealth and freedom in the UK. What is sadly lacking today is not more protectionist measures (as the article seems close to calling for), but brave and visionary decision making like that of Robert Peel in 1846.
Yes. I was disappointed by this erudite writer’s misunderstanding of the term mercantilism which is trade as an instrument of government policy.
I speak as one who grew up on a small family farm in Australia, where the work was relentless and the profits small to nonexistent. Such farms no longer exist unless supported by a separate job.
Yes we ate eggs from our own chickens, and occasionally slaughtered them, and a sheep now and then, for food. But mostly we survived by dairy farming buying and selling cattle and trying to anticipate the market with crops, usually potatoes and peas as well as various grass crops. The price of all these depended on the market which is just a fact of life, not an ideology. Nobody was more aware of markets than the farmer.
Technology in the form of refrigerated transportation, better roads, better communication and so on are what enlarged the markets. Famine was elsewhere, in countries that tried to control agriculture from the top.
A few weeks ago it was reported that the River Wye, apparently Britain’s fourth largest river catchment system was biologically dead.
The culprit? Chicken excrement leeching into the river from surrounding Chicken Farms!
But is this actually true ? I’m going there (a little downstream from Hereford) with some friends for a few days in July. Planned events include river swimming and kayaking, so we’ll find out soon enough.
The Cam in Cambridge was claimed to be unsafe to swim in 40 years ago and immersion supposedly required immediate stomach pumping. Supposedly.
Given the current mass hysteria generated by the Green Crusade probably not! But would the sainted BBC actually stoop so low?
I know the beautiful little River Monnow, which joins the Wye at Monmouth quite well, and there doesn’t seem to be a problem there.
Off course as the Cam passes ‘The Backs’ it is so narrow as to be little more than a ditch, so perhaps it was fairly putrid forty years ago?
Over on the Spectator website, a water industry insider explained to me that the current scare over Overspills (the releasing of untreated sewage into the watercourse when severe rain causes too great a volume of water to be treated in the sewage works) is almost entirely political. The problem has existed, without comment, since the system was built 150 years ago. The reason it persists is that it is ruinously expensive and disruptive to rebuild the Victorian sewage system that works fine except during flooding events. It has only recently been picked up as a cudgel with which to beat the government even though the LibDems in coalition and Labour in government were signing off overspill releases in exactly the same way.
Thank you.
Presumably most of the ‘stuff’ is biodegradable anyway and quickly devoured by ‘others’.
Apparently they have fine mesh screens that filter out most of the solids in the overspill water. What happens to that residue, I know not.
Apparently they have fine mesh screens that filter out most of the solids in the overspill water. What happens to that residue, I know not.
Thank you.
It did seem rather odd that it’s suddenly become an issue, and, as if in unison, reflecting in angry comments over all my social media, limited as it is.
Quite so. This is one of those problems that has always existed but now appears much worse simply because we are much better at monitoring it.
Thank you.
Presumably most of the ‘stuff’ is biodegradable anyway and quickly devoured by ‘others’.
Thank you.
It did seem rather odd that it’s suddenly become an issue, and, as if in unison, reflecting in angry comments over all my social media, limited as it is.
Quite so. This is one of those problems that has always existed but now appears much worse simply because we are much better at monitoring it.
Over on the Spectator website, a water industry insider explained to me that the current scare over Overspills (the releasing of untreated sewage into the watercourse when severe rain causes too great a volume of water to be treated in the sewage works) is almost entirely political. The problem has existed, without comment, since the system was built 150 years ago. The reason it persists is that it is ruinously expensive and disruptive to rebuild the Victorian sewage system that works fine except during flooding events. It has only recently been picked up as a cudgel with which to beat the government even though the LibDems in coalition and Labour in government were signing off overspill releases in exactly the same way.
40 years ago is nothing. You must, I am sure, be aware of the story of Queen Victoria walking past the Cam (before it was cleaned up) and asking what the paper floating there was. Apparently the reply from the academic with her was “Those, Ma’am, are notices advising the public not to swim in the river.”
It’s probably apocryphal, but a good line nevertheless.
Given the current mass hysteria generated by the Green Crusade probably not! But would the sainted BBC actually stoop so low?
I know the beautiful little River Monnow, which joins the Wye at Monmouth quite well, and there doesn’t seem to be a problem there.
Off course as the Cam passes ‘The Backs’ it is so narrow as to be little more than a ditch, so perhaps it was fairly putrid forty years ago?
40 years ago is nothing. You must, I am sure, be aware of the story of Queen Victoria walking past the Cam (before it was cleaned up) and asking what the paper floating there was. Apparently the reply from the academic with her was “Those, Ma’am, are notices advising the public not to swim in the river.”
It’s probably apocryphal, but a good line nevertheless.
I allowed my children to swim in the River Wye once because it was the only water nearby and it was terribly hot (and fun!). I did go and check but they did not glow in the dark at night.
I live pretty much next to the Wye and have swum in it and know plenty of others do and many regularly. I think it may be partly exaggeration yet at the same time river water should not have effluent, agricultural runoff etc and this does matter.
Back to the eggs and good for us all to accept our part in this problem and it is a problem. We have our own poultry and get sometimes load of eggs and sometimes very few. We both need to get used to not outsourcing everything we need or consume and get used to seasonal goods. Not to reduce our global impact/climate change etc (I don’t believe there is any grounds for confidence that there is significant man made climate change or that we can do anything about it) but because we, people, are becoming spoilt, soft, useless and far too sheep-like as we don’t have any control of anything we do or need.
Always good to have a plan B.
Always good to have a plan B.
But is this actually true ? I’m going there (a little downstream from Hereford) with some friends for a few days in July. Planned events include river swimming and kayaking, so we’ll find out soon enough.
The Cam in Cambridge was claimed to be unsafe to swim in 40 years ago and immersion supposedly required immediate stomach pumping. Supposedly.
I allowed my children to swim in the River Wye once because it was the only water nearby and it was terribly hot (and fun!). I did go and check but they did not glow in the dark at night.
I live pretty much next to the Wye and have swum in it and know plenty of others do and many regularly. I think it may be partly exaggeration yet at the same time river water should not have effluent, agricultural runoff etc and this does matter.
Back to the eggs and good for us all to accept our part in this problem and it is a problem. We have our own poultry and get sometimes load of eggs and sometimes very few. We both need to get used to not outsourcing everything we need or consume and get used to seasonal goods. Not to reduce our global impact/climate change etc (I don’t believe there is any grounds for confidence that there is significant man made climate change or that we can do anything about it) but because we, people, are becoming spoilt, soft, useless and far too sheep-like as we don’t have any control of anything we do or need.
The non-technical understanding of the word mercantilism, and the consequent lack of understanding of the merits of trade, makes this piece peculiarly informative about real word politics.
Policy argument becomes associative, emotional and feminine, perhaps self-contradictory. What can one do?
You’re absolutely correct that we’ve moved to emotion based – and therefore subjective and variable (non-repeatable) – decision making. This is a disaster. You can’t have a free and wealthy country over the longer term without rule of law. And you can’t have rule of law if it’s variable depending on the mood or emotions of the day.
The really depressing thing is that this was largely brought in by lawyers – Blair, Harman, etc. . Should be struck off for fundamentally undermining the law – things like innocent until proven guilty (“let’s assume the complainants are correct”) are at severe risk.
All we can do is speak up against this.
Unfortunately one can no longer trust even a High Court Judge.
Unfortunately one can no longer trust even a High Court Judge.
Nothing to do with feminine – male politicians nowadays are as subjective, partisan, illogical and self-contradictory as you could wish for. Nothing to be done about it either I’m afraid, unless one could find a way to ban the internet and to revive traditional churches to provide a safe outlet for the hoi polloi irrationality which has now leached into the civic space.
You’re absolutely correct that we’ve moved to emotion based – and therefore subjective and variable (non-repeatable) – decision making. This is a disaster. You can’t have a free and wealthy country over the longer term without rule of law. And you can’t have rule of law if it’s variable depending on the mood or emotions of the day.
The really depressing thing is that this was largely brought in by lawyers – Blair, Harman, etc. . Should be struck off for fundamentally undermining the law – things like innocent until proven guilty (“let’s assume the complainants are correct”) are at severe risk.
All we can do is speak up against this.
Nothing to do with feminine – male politicians nowadays are as subjective, partisan, illogical and self-contradictory as you could wish for. Nothing to be done about it either I’m afraid, unless one could find a way to ban the internet and to revive traditional churches to provide a safe outlet for the hoi polloi irrationality which has now leached into the civic space.
I have two boiled eggs every morning without fail. Never had any problem getting them despite all the talk of shortages (either from the milkman or when we run out, from Sainsburys).
I think the Aussie and NZ FTAs will lead to cheaper food. Particularly beef, lamb and pork. Obviously farmers here will complain – as in 1846 – but eventually some people will buy British for quality or concerns over air miles and some people will buy the cheaper stuff from overseas. And we will get to sell Land Rovers and JCBs and nuclear submarines to the Australians without hitting their tariff walls.
The word “mercantile” has had many senses over the years and I read this essay as if the author was using “mercantile” in an older sense. Isn’t this usage similar to how Polanyi employed “mercantile” in GT? I’d say the big hole in this essay is that it fails to mention the Irish famine. A focus on the complex consequences of both the corn laws, and their repeal, upon the Irish peasantry would deepen the essay’s engagement with the local and particular, not shifty abstractions like “mercantilism”.
But she wrote “mercantilist” which is an adjective from the widely-understood (until two days ago, at least) historical term “mercantilism”, as opposed to “mercantile” which merely means related to commerce.
But she wrote “mercantilist” which is an adjective from the widely-understood (until two days ago, at least) historical term “mercantilism”, as opposed to “mercantile” which merely means related to commerce.
The Corn Laws are so déjà vu, and well preempted by the “Silver Crisis of 1619-23.” and its subsequent machinations.
Yes. I was disappointed by this erudite writer’s misunderstanding of the term mercantilism which is trade as an instrument of government policy.
I speak as one who grew up on a small family farm in Australia, where the work was relentless and the profits small to nonexistent. Such farms no longer exist unless supported by a separate job.
Yes we ate eggs from our own chickens, and occasionally slaughtered them, and a sheep now and then, for food. But mostly we survived by dairy farming buying and selling cattle and trying to anticipate the market with crops, usually potatoes and peas as well as various grass crops. The price of all these depended on the market which is just a fact of life, not an ideology. Nobody was more aware of markets than the farmer.
Technology in the form of refrigerated transportation, better roads, better communication and so on are what enlarged the markets. Famine was elsewhere, in countries that tried to control agriculture from the top.
A few weeks ago it was reported that the River Wye, apparently Britain’s fourth largest river catchment system was biologically dead.
The culprit? Chicken excrement leeching into the river from surrounding Chicken Farms!
The non-technical understanding of the word mercantilism, and the consequent lack of understanding of the merits of trade, makes this piece peculiarly informative about real word politics.
Policy argument becomes associative, emotional and feminine, perhaps self-contradictory. What can one do?
I have two boiled eggs every morning without fail. Never had any problem getting them despite all the talk of shortages (either from the milkman or when we run out, from Sainsburys).
I think the Aussie and NZ FTAs will lead to cheaper food. Particularly beef, lamb and pork. Obviously farmers here will complain – as in 1846 – but eventually some people will buy British for quality or concerns over air miles and some people will buy the cheaper stuff from overseas. And we will get to sell Land Rovers and JCBs and nuclear submarines to the Australians without hitting their tariff walls.
The word “mercantile” has had many senses over the years and I read this essay as if the author was using “mercantile” in an older sense. Isn’t this usage similar to how Polanyi employed “mercantile” in GT? I’d say the big hole in this essay is that it fails to mention the Irish famine. A focus on the complex consequences of both the corn laws, and their repeal, upon the Irish peasantry would deepen the essay’s engagement with the local and particular, not shifty abstractions like “mercantilism”.
The Corn Laws are so déjà vu, and well preempted by the “Silver Crisis of 1619-23.” and its subsequent machinations.
Sadly, despite repeatedly bandying about the phrase, Mary doesn’t seem to understand what mercantilism actually is.
Mary’s version equates mercantilism with free trade. This is absoutely not what it is. It is actually about protectionist policies to maximise exports.
Show me a recent Tory government that’s been bent on maximising exports ! Quite the reverse. The “egg policy” (if indeed there is one – I doubt it) appears to have the effect of maximising imports.
If any country is associated with mercantilism – and arguably tries to follow that policy today – it is France (arguably also China).
Back to the matter of the eggs.
If it is cheaper for us to import eggs from Italy than produce them locally, there can only be a limited number of reasons. These would include possible subisidisation of production, energy prices, feed prices and animal welfare. It is hard to imagine that there’s any inherent advantage in the Italian hen population or climate that’s moving the needle here.
My guess would be that we’re outsourcing animal welfare to Italy here. But just a guess.
In any case, there appears to be a wide range of egg types and prices in my local supermarket – there are plenty of options for paying more. Likewise small local suppliers exist.
All this “food insecurity” talk. I don’t recall serious food shortages even during Covid. There was always enough food.
What problem are we really trying to solve here ? I do hope we aren’t trying to leverage “food insecurity” as a means to change an economic and political settlement that the vast majority are content with.
The Repeal of the Corn Laws was one of the greatest achievements of the nineteenth century and directly led to far greater wealth and freedom in the UK. What is sadly lacking today is not more protectionist measures (as the article seems close to calling for), but brave and visionary decision making like that of Robert Peel in 1846.
Great article. In particular, I like the fact that part of the conclusion is: it’s not just the Tories, or the regulations or the big bad supermarkets: IT’S US TOO. We’ve freed ourselves from obligation, freed ourselves from complexity, made our lives easy and convenient…and yet failed to realise this all has a cost and now there has to be someone to blame. This was all meant to be progress but it seems to have infantilised us as a society.
I don’t have a back garden, or even a balcony. But I find it immensely therapeutic (and also very practical) to grow herbs and chilis on my windowsill. I also love to forage: this year I’ve made syrup from lilacs, collected some juicy fresh nettles for soup while out walking at the weekend…and elderflower syrup is next on the seasonal delicacy list! Giving someone a homemade syrup or jam is a much nicer gift than, I don’t know, a box of chocs from Thornton’s.
As well as being a lovely way to connect to nature and be creative when I spend all week staring at a screen – growing things and foraging does make you appreciate the food in the supermarket more. The water those plants need, the work it takes to find and collect food, the time you need to prepare something good from it. It is slow and laborious in a way which you just forget when you whizz round Asda mindlessly throwing stuff in your trolley.
Clearly you have a lot of time on your hands.
Many don’t.
Katherine may not have a lot of time on her hands, but what spare time she does have she uses creatively.
Katherine may not have a lot of time on her hands, but what spare time she does have she uses creatively.
I would whizz round the supermarket a lot faster if they would stop rearranging the shelves.
I have enough slow and laborious tasks to do without trying to turn shopping into a leisure activity, or being impeded by those who treat it as such.
Well said, so annoying!
Well said, so annoying!
Clearly you have a lot of time on your hands.
Many don’t.
I would whizz round the supermarket a lot faster if they would stop rearranging the shelves.
I have enough slow and laborious tasks to do without trying to turn shopping into a leisure activity, or being impeded by those who treat it as such.
Great article. In particular, I like the fact that part of the conclusion is: it’s not just the Tories, or the regulations or the big bad supermarkets: IT’S US TOO. We’ve freed ourselves from obligation, freed ourselves from complexity, made our lives easy and convenient…and yet failed to realise this all has a cost and now there has to be someone to blame. This was all meant to be progress but it seems to have infantilised us as a society.
I don’t have a back garden, or even a balcony. But I find it immensely therapeutic (and also very practical) to grow herbs and chilis on my windowsill. I also love to forage: this year I’ve made syrup from lilacs, collected some juicy fresh nettles for soup while out walking at the weekend…and elderflower syrup is next on the seasonal delicacy list! Giving someone a homemade syrup or jam is a much nicer gift than, I don’t know, a box of chocs from Thornton’s.
As well as being a lovely way to connect to nature and be creative when I spend all week staring at a screen – growing things and foraging does make you appreciate the food in the supermarket more. The water those plants need, the work it takes to find and collect food, the time you need to prepare something good from it. It is slow and laborious in a way which you just forget when you whizz round Asda mindlessly throwing stuff in your trolley.
WE get a vegetable box every week from a local organic supplier. THe eggs they provide from a nearby organic farm are absolutely delicious- incomparably superior to any supermarket kind from Asda. t I strongly recommend support of Soil Association work and what they are doing to work towards encouraging localised organic farming..
Ever since I moved to France 26 years ago I have bought eggs from local people like my cleaner. They are cheaper than the supermarket ones and far nicer. Definitely free-range as they often arrive with half the farmyard still attached!!
The irony is that if the big mainstream stores sold eggs,like that,ie all muddy + feathery etc it would become a subject of horror on tv consumer shows,and radio phone ins,and people would complain that they were in danger of being poisoned and it’s a threat to their children’s well being and The Government must DO SOMETHING.
The irony is that if the big mainstream stores sold eggs,like that,ie all muddy + feathery etc it would become a subject of horror on tv consumer shows,and radio phone ins,and people would complain that they were in danger of being poisoned and it’s a threat to their children’s well being and The Government must DO SOMETHING.
Ever since I moved to France 26 years ago I have bought eggs from local people like my cleaner. They are cheaper than the supermarket ones and far nicer. Definitely free-range as they often arrive with half the farmyard still attached!!
WE get a vegetable box every week from a local organic supplier. THe eggs they provide from a nearby organic farm are absolutely delicious- incomparably superior to any supermarket kind from Asda. t I strongly recommend support of Soil Association work and what they are doing to work towards encouraging localised organic farming..
Mary I wd love to keep chickens. The reality is that many deeds prohibit it, including mine.
There are probably good reasons for that prohibition.
In mid-1950s I was a child living in Luton. Even then this town had a quite high immigrant population. Many of our neighbours (and my parents) grew fruit and vegetables in their gardens and kept chickens. A typical urban garden would never provide enough vegetables to feed a small family and just gave us a some tasty seasonal extras. Although the chickens provided a few eggs the birds were smelly and noisy. Worse – they proved to be a major health hazard as they attracted rats.
Yes, rats ate our chicken’s eggs in the country.
Yes, rats ate our chicken’s eggs in the country.
There are probably good reasons for that prohibition.
In mid-1950s I was a child living in Luton. Even then this town had a quite high immigrant population. Many of our neighbours (and my parents) grew fruit and vegetables in their gardens and kept chickens. A typical urban garden would never provide enough vegetables to feed a small family and just gave us a some tasty seasonal extras. Although the chickens provided a few eggs the birds were smelly and noisy. Worse – they proved to be a major health hazard as they attracted rats.
Mary I wd love to keep chickens. The reality is that many deeds prohibit it, including mine.
“lockdowns scrambled many of the food supply chains” very funny but did you poach that from someone else?
“lockdowns scrambled many of the food supply chains” very funny but did you poach that from someone else?
Depressing article. I’m beginning to wonder if Roger Hallam and George Monbiot have the ear of the UnHerd team.
Journalists (and other professional alarmists) have been warning of impending ‘massive food shortages’ leading to riots, looting and anarchy for at least a couple of decades. I’m still waiting.
Much longer than that. Paul Ehrlich’s 1968 book The Population Bomb predicted mass starvation throughout the world within a few years. Since then he has made a glittering academic career out of being wrong about everything all the time.
Ah! Paul R Ehrlich, granddaddy of population panic. It doesn’t matter if a prophet’s predictions are repeatedly wrong – as long as his message fits the worldview of the annointed elite they’ll find reasons to heed him.
“It doesn’t matter if a prophet’s predictions are repeatedly wrong”
This reminds me of the engineer who warns that a bridge is on the verge of collapse. Month after month is stands, and the engineer is laughed at. What a scaremonger! Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Why doesn’t he just shut up, the idiot? Then one day the bridge collapses even if it stood longer than expected. The same folks will then complain that nobody warned them or find some other reason to blame someone else. Because socialism!
True!
Was that a real engineer and a real bridge or just one of those made up stories we used to call old wives tales?
After Covid, we seem to have forgotten that we live in a scientific age, where these sort of these things can be analyzed and determined. – ‘Follow the science’ . Our Truth our Science !!! This is where a nonsensical comment like the above comes from.
True!
Was that a real engineer and a real bridge or just one of those made up stories we used to call old wives tales?
After Covid, we seem to have forgotten that we live in a scientific age, where these sort of these things can be analyzed and determined. – ‘Follow the science’ . Our Truth our Science !!! This is where a nonsensical comment like the above comes from.
Paul Ehrlich’s population ‘panic’?
Population related issues are the most neglected of all, given their unique impact on all life on earth. Despite the sheer numbers of us being the source of nearly all environmental problems, the subject is all but taboo with greens, trendies and conservatives alike! Even ‘climate change’ is only a problem for humans because we insist that the world owes our species rights over life and death and perpetuity in everything. More people equals fewer wild things – simple – there is no room for both. The scale of everything us 8 billion people (and growing) must do to just be alive, even with our bare “footprints”, is ruining the planet, not just co2 or this or that! …and 33 billion chickens!
What hysterical moralising nonsense. You really are panicking.
Absolutely right! Over population is a taboo topic, it seems, because of the control religions, particularly Islam and Catholicism, has over the media. It’s guilt tripping and I find it infuriating. If every woman,world wide, had about ten children we wouldn’t have gotten even this far.
That old canard?
The Catholic countries of Europe have had the lowest birthrates for some time now.
That old canard?
The Catholic countries of Europe have had the lowest birthrates for some time now.
What hysterical moralising nonsense. You really are panicking.
Absolutely right! Over population is a taboo topic, it seems, because of the control religions, particularly Islam and Catholicism, has over the media. It’s guilt tripping and I find it infuriating. If every woman,world wide, had about ten children we wouldn’t have gotten even this far.
“It doesn’t matter if a prophet’s predictions are repeatedly wrong”
This reminds me of the engineer who warns that a bridge is on the verge of collapse. Month after month is stands, and the engineer is laughed at. What a scaremonger! Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Why doesn’t he just shut up, the idiot? Then one day the bridge collapses even if it stood longer than expected. The same folks will then complain that nobody warned them or find some other reason to blame someone else. Because socialism!
Paul Ehrlich’s population ‘panic’?
Population related issues are the most neglected of all, given their unique impact on all life on earth. Despite the sheer numbers of us being the source of nearly all environmental problems, the subject is all but taboo with greens, trendies and conservatives alike! Even ‘climate change’ is only a problem for humans because we insist that the world owes our species rights over life and death and perpetuity in everything. More people equals fewer wild things – simple – there is no room for both. The scale of everything us 8 billion people (and growing) must do to just be alive, even with our bare “footprints”, is ruining the planet, not just co2 or this or that! …and 33 billion chickens!
Ah! Paul R Ehrlich, granddaddy of population panic. It doesn’t matter if a prophet’s predictions are repeatedly wrong – as long as his message fits the worldview of the annointed elite they’ll find reasons to heed him.
Well, at least it wasn’t an article about chickens who now identify as foxes, or something else to do with how people chose to engage in physical relations.
Much longer than that. Paul Ehrlich’s 1968 book The Population Bomb predicted mass starvation throughout the world within a few years. Since then he has made a glittering academic career out of being wrong about everything all the time.
Well, at least it wasn’t an article about chickens who now identify as foxes, or something else to do with how people chose to engage in physical relations.
Depressing article. I’m beginning to wonder if Roger Hallam and George Monbiot have the ear of the UnHerd team.
Journalists (and other professional alarmists) have been warning of impending ‘massive food shortages’ leading to riots, looting and anarchy for at least a couple of decades. I’m still waiting.
Thought-provoking and elegantly written, as always from Mary, but calling for a few corrective thoughts.
Increased self-sufficiency is great but has its limits. Who looks after your hens, Mary, when you’re on holiday? And where there are hens there are rats. Your urban neighbours might not be so happy about your egg production when the rats start appearing in their attics and cavity walls. And do you eat your hens or just take the eggs?
Also, although our Tory Government has scandalously neglected rural communities in all sorts of ways, beware of thinking that the NFU has the solution to the nation’s food policy. That would be like allowing the RMT to dictate our transport policy. The NFU gives farmers very sound advice on how to increase their income by, for example, turning arable land into solar farms but that’s not necessarily in the wider public interest.
Well you have hens, and rats, and predatory birds (like owls) and that sorts it all out.
Well you have hens, and rats, and predatory birds (like owls) and that sorts it all out.
Thought-provoking and elegantly written, as always from Mary, but calling for a few corrective thoughts.
Increased self-sufficiency is great but has its limits. Who looks after your hens, Mary, when you’re on holiday? And where there are hens there are rats. Your urban neighbours might not be so happy about your egg production when the rats start appearing in their attics and cavity walls. And do you eat your hens or just take the eggs?
Also, although our Tory Government has scandalously neglected rural communities in all sorts of ways, beware of thinking that the NFU has the solution to the nation’s food policy. That would be like allowing the RMT to dictate our transport policy. The NFU gives farmers very sound advice on how to increase their income by, for example, turning arable land into solar farms but that’s not necessarily in the wider public interest.
I always enjoy Mary Harrington’s contributions. This time rather than focusing on the deeper message, I was inspired to revisit the idea of keeping chickens. I live in an urban area but have a good sized garden and have always had the idea of keeping a few hens (does one need a c**k as well?). A quick search into what this would entail lead me to this rather sweet website: https://keeping-chickens.me.uk/. It offered some useful reminders of the work and commitment (and noise and general mess) that come with these feathery friends. I rather hope my neighbours don’t opt into small scale home farming. I for one will certainly stick to the Italian less fresh fare.
Grow some balls and man up Iris! Noise and general mess? Oh the horrors!
Grow some balls and man up Iris! Noise and general mess? Oh the horrors!
I always enjoy Mary Harrington’s contributions. This time rather than focusing on the deeper message, I was inspired to revisit the idea of keeping chickens. I live in an urban area but have a good sized garden and have always had the idea of keeping a few hens (does one need a c**k as well?). A quick search into what this would entail lead me to this rather sweet website: https://keeping-chickens.me.uk/. It offered some useful reminders of the work and commitment (and noise and general mess) that come with these feathery friends. I rather hope my neighbours don’t opt into small scale home farming. I for one will certainly stick to the Italian less fresh fare.
The Free Market is efficient alright. It’s efficient at doing what it’s designed to do, namely transfer wealth from ordinary people into the hands of the globalist plutocrats.
The Free Market is efficient alright. It’s efficient at doing what it’s designed to do, namely transfer wealth from ordinary people into the hands of the globalist plutocrats.
Two key points missing from the above essay
1) housing price speculation driven by foreign money is driving EVERYTHING ELSE from the market place
2) the Corn Laws operated with total disregard for public welfare. This country was a nett exporter of population for over two centuries
Two key points missing from the above essay
1) housing price speculation driven by foreign money is driving EVERYTHING ELSE from the market place
2) the Corn Laws operated with total disregard for public welfare. This country was a nett exporter of population for over two centuries
But who wants to be one of, “England’s subsistence peasants,”? There were famines in those days.
Perhaps there have been improvements in food production.
Perhaps there have been improvements in food production.
But who wants to be one of, “England’s subsistence peasants,”? There were famines in those days.
” What if we grind domestic food security to nothing in the name of the “free market”, only for the wheels to come off global trade again?”
More to the point, what if there is another world war (China, anyone?) and we have to feed not only the population but an army as well?
The only cost of the free market was and is your culture.
Many neighbours in my Lancashire childhood kept chickens for eggs and slaughter. They remembered the food security lessons of two world wars and the depression years. Global trade is not free trade and to pretend otherwise is both naive and reckless. Food and energy are just as weaponised now as they were during those wars. Monopolies, cartels, tariffs, malicious actors like Putin and market manipulation are the prevailing forces today. We cannot afford to sacrifice this country’s security on the altar of the ideology of unregulated free trade.
When I was a child in Australia, we had “eggs for Britain” days at school. The collected eggs were sent on to the war-torn UK, some in shells, some powdered. in 1946 we sent 45 million dozen eggs.
One of those empty Scottish Islands lost its people due to the exact kind of financial system which the wide UK relies on today, and the results will be the same.
The men fished a bit, grew some cabbages, a sheep… and the cash economy was based on every wife taking in, and doing, her neighbor’s laundry.
But one got greedy and thinking, ”I’ll just do my own washing, And still take in Morag’s, and doubly my income”.
But then the neighbor who did the first one’s washing could no longer afford to pay to get hers done, and so on, and till the whole cycle went round and everyone of them was broke – and all had to move to the Mainland for jobs…..
I wonder if this is the story Mary is telling of, with her chickens…..
I very much doubt it.
“every wife taking in, and doing, her neighbour’s laundry” is nonsense in terms of division of labour and no doubt intended to elicit some kind of spurious ‘community’ appeal. That’d be the equivalent of the UK importing Italian eggs and exporting our own eggs to Italy,
That’s funny and my thought exactly.
That’s funny and my thought exactly.
Hmm, one side of my family are from such an island community. That view is nothing like what I heard about ‘the old days’ growing up. What my grandparents told me was that while you certainly had a great community of people, as late as the 1960s it was back-breaking hard work from dawn to dusk with no road transport to speak of. For their own grandparents in turn, they were little better than medieval serfs.
Islands lost people (and still do) because the more capable had opportunities to have a better standard of living, especially those who benefited from grammar schools, scholarships or attending technical colleges. Prior to that they were bunged on a boat and shipped off to the Americas or Antipodes.
I very much doubt it.
“every wife taking in, and doing, her neighbour’s laundry” is nonsense in terms of division of labour and no doubt intended to elicit some kind of spurious ‘community’ appeal. That’d be the equivalent of the UK importing Italian eggs and exporting our own eggs to Italy,
Hmm, one side of my family are from such an island community. That view is nothing like what I heard about ‘the old days’ growing up. What my grandparents told me was that while you certainly had a great community of people, as late as the 1960s it was back-breaking hard work from dawn to dusk with no road transport to speak of. For their own grandparents in turn, they were little better than medieval serfs.
Islands lost people (and still do) because the more capable had opportunities to have a better standard of living, especially those who benefited from grammar schools, scholarships or attending technical colleges. Prior to that they were bunged on a boat and shipped off to the Americas or Antipodes.
One of those empty Scottish Islands lost its people due to the exact kind of financial system which the wide UK relies on today, and the results will be the same.
The men fished a bit, grew some cabbages, a sheep… and the cash economy was based on every wife taking in, and doing, her neighbor’s laundry.
But one got greedy and thinking, ”I’ll just do my own washing, And still take in Morag’s, and doubly my income”.
But then the neighbor who did the first one’s washing could no longer afford to pay to get hers done, and so on, and till the whole cycle went round and everyone of them was broke – and all had to move to the Mainland for jobs…..
I wonder if this is the story Mary is telling of, with her chickens…..