A few months ago Freddie Sayers interviewed economist Louis Gave re: Ukraine. Gave was of the opinion that the West was in trouble because flighting Climate Change and Putin is effectively a two-front war. That view made sense to me because the climate issue has clearly devolved into an extremely expensive an divisive moral crusade. There’s been widespread economic damage especially in the demonized ‘deplorable’ class while eco-carpetbaggers have been getting rich.
So what does that have to do with the Wagner Group? The article appears to be well-researched and offers up a believable account of how the group works and for whom. They are nasty. Point taken, but I found this recent article explains further about why they are messing around in Sudan and other African countries: csis.org/analysis/how-does-conflict-sudan-affect-russia-and-wagner-group. Apparently gold mining and a possible Russian naval base are the key attractions in Sudan.
China wasn’t mentioned specifically but IMO it seems obvious that the on-going campaign to hoover up valuable resources in Africa (and elsewhere),which China has been very active for years, is quickly establishing the financial bedrock for global realignment that would make China and Russia the leaders of BRICS and Co. Ltd.
In the meantime two recent US initiatives in Africa come to mind. Last September John Kerry warned Africans, of which over 600M have no access to electricity at all, not to depend on fossil fuels and that international financing would be limited to green energy. Not good news for African countries sitting on untapped oil resources.
Then a month or so ago VP Kamala Harris (remember her?) does a whistle stop tour in Africa. I’m not sure why because even Americans don’t listen to her unless they happen to be in the funny memes business. She blathered on about Alphabet rights literally while Ghana was debating a bill to restrict those rights even further.
Outside of the Anglosphere and EU bubble there is a large part of the world that is not interested in Alphabet rights, DEI and ESG. They don’t debate gender – they’re quite sure what a woman actually is. Rules based international order? No thanks. Many of these countries are sitting on valuable resources that could bring growth and prosperity and they aren’t much impressed by morality lectures from jet-setting, over-stuffed westerners warning them to “not live it up like we do – it’s bad for the planet”. Meanwhile, Russia and China are showing up in these countries with muscle and money, doing deals and not worrying about social justice.
I don’t think that asking hard questions about the repeated leadership fails in the West makes one a Putin apologist. As a Canadian I seriously doubt that anyone in our government can remember when they last told the truth about anything. As to Ukraine, that the Russian invasion is indefensible seems to be an easy point but aside from the obvious destruction and human suffering you need a truckload of salt to swallow the news stream we’ve been fed over the last year from either side. We know Russia is still there. Everything else is a guess.
IMO, Wagner Group operations, and by extension increased Sino Russian influence, belong in the same category as Brexit and Trump. They are/were treated as new challenges when they are actually the result of old problems not addressed.
You are correct – Kamala ‘word salad’ Harris is our nation joke…and just think she’s the step-in for ‘Dementia’-ed Joe who says he’s running for a second term….God Help Us
You are correct – Kamala ‘word salad’ Harris is our nation joke…and just think she’s the step-in for ‘Dementia’-ed Joe who says he’s running for a second term….God Help Us
…sorry tro repeat, but the West has become over-feminized, so in the cycle of Yin and Yang, we have chaos ahead for quite a while.
Walter Lantz
1 year ago
A few months ago Freddie Sayers interviewed economist Louis Gave re: Ukraine. Gave was of the opinion that the West was in trouble because flighting Climate Change and Putin is effectively a two-front war. That view made sense to me because the climate issue has clearly devolved into an extremely expensive an divisive moral crusade. There’s been widespread economic damage especially in the demonized ‘deplorable’ class while eco-carpetbaggers have been getting rich.
So what does that have to do with the Wagner Group? The article appears to be well-researched and offers up a believable account of how the group works and for whom. They are nasty. Point taken, but I found this recent article explains further about why they are messing around in Sudan and other African countries: csis.org/analysis/how-does-conflict-sudan-affect-russia-and-wagner-group. Apparently gold mining and a possible Russian naval base are the key attractions in Sudan.
China wasn’t mentioned specifically but IMO it seems obvious that the on-going campaign to hoover up valuable resources in Africa (and elsewhere),which China has been very active for years, is quickly establishing the financial bedrock for global realignment that would make China and Russia the leaders of BRICS and Co. Ltd.
In the meantime two recent US initiatives in Africa come to mind. Last September John Kerry warned Africans, of which over 600M have no access to electricity at all, not to depend on fossil fuels and that international financing would be limited to green energy. Not good news for African countries sitting on untapped oil resources.
Then a month or so ago VP Kamala Harris (remember her?) does a whistle stop tour in Africa. I’m not sure why because even Americans don’t listen to her unless they happen to be in the funny memes business. She blathered on about Alphabet rights literally while Ghana was debating a bill to restrict those rights even further.
Outside of the Anglosphere and EU bubble there is a large part of the world that is not interested in Alphabet rights, DEI and ESG. They don’t debate gender – they’re quite sure what a woman actually is. Rules based international order? No thanks. Many of these countries are sitting on valuable resources that could bring growth and prosperity and they aren’t much impressed by morality lectures from jet-setting, over-stuffed westerners warning them to “not live it up like we do – it’s bad for the planet”. Meanwhile, Russia and China are showing up in these countries with muscle and money, doing deals and not worrying about social justice.
I don’t think that asking hard questions about the repeated leadership fails in the West makes one a Putin apologist. As a Canadian I seriously doubt that anyone in our government can remember when they last told the truth about anything. As to Ukraine, that the Russian invasion is indefensible seems to be an easy point but aside from the obvious destruction and human suffering you need a truckload of salt to swallow the news stream we’ve been fed over the last year from either side. We know Russia is still there. Everything else is a guess.
IMO, Wagner Group operations, and by extension increased Sino Russian influence, belong in the same category as Brexit and Trump. They are/were treated as new challenges when they are actually the result of old problems not addressed.
Peter B
1 year ago
Required reading for the remaining Putin apologists. And anyone who thinks that the current Russian regime are on the side of less developed countries.
Please continue with these articles.
Required reading for the remaining Putin apologists. And anyone who thinks that the current Russian regime are on the side of less developed countries.
Please continue with these articles.
martin logan
1 year ago
Looks like the new face of reality.
And it looks very much like a re-run of the really bad parts of the Renaissance, with mercenary groups pillaging their way through a good part of the developing world.
The New Landsknechts, with a latter-day Wallenstein far worse than the original.
So be careful what you wish for.
When you cry out for “a multipolar world,” one of those poles will undoubtedly involve out-of-control mercenaries like these.
We already saw that in Africa in the 60’s. But this will be far worse.
You are probably right. I didn’t come to apologise for putin. I just want peace. It seems increasingly unlikely that is possible.
I liked the Tottenham article, I just came here by accident, from the bottom, with a Tottenham mentality and mouth.
Nobody was doing the peace argument very well. I probably didn’t either. I’m letting it go.
Much respect, from Tottenham.
Muggers are pacifists as are most criminals; they want you to hand over your valuables without fighting to defend them. The most successful criminals are very good at assessing the risk and avoid being hurt. Criminals are very discerning at choosing victims; those who will hand over valuables with little risk to themselves.
When Churchill created the Commandos , a force to ” Butcher and Bolt ” and the SOE to ” Set Europe ablaze ” he knew exactly what he was doing. Sec LT Robert Shepperd of the SOE said ” We were gangsters with the knowledge of gangsters but the behaviour, if possible of gentlemen”. An SBS sergeant said we knew we were physically and pschologically stronger than the Germans.
If one wants civilisation to thrive then one needs civilised people to be better at fighting than the savages.Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan and Timur The Lame demonstrated when this did not happen.
The West, by by turning wolfhounds into lapdogs has turned them into starters for wolves. There are plenty of regimes who will happily employ The Wagner Group.
The problem for the West is that the ruling class is a mixture of self hatred because it is unheroic, naivety, hubris, a belief in it’s moral and intellectual superiority, gullibility, a desire to protect it’s security and comfort at all costs and weakness. This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
I understand. I think I agree to be honest.
It’s not really my day job this business. In case you couldn’t tell. I think we have been distracted, I feel like we may have massively underestimated the situation I think. I’m not sure. That was my main worry I suppose, it’s hard to do the anti war argument without the let’s play nicely and look at all sides argument. I don’t think I always did that the right way, I don’t personally think we will be negotiating anything now, and perhaps we shouldn’t. I’m out my depth now really, I don’t have the time I had, I’m leaving it with Mr logan. I think he was right, the old world has gone.
I like that Shepperd quote, thanks for the time gentlemen.
Anybody who isn’t for peace, and doesn’t strive to bring it about in the best way they understand, is an idiot.
But we have to try and understand the world with our very limited and very varied faculties.
That includes my own (often very bad) take on things.
Dictatorships can be very peaceful provided one obeys the rules of the dictator. What happens if one wants to be free to think and act without reducing the freedom of others?
Dictatorships can be very peaceful provided one obeys the rules of the dictator. What happens if one wants to be free to think and act without reducing the freedom of others?
Anybody who isn’t for peace, and doesn’t strive to bring it about in the best way they understand, is an idiot.
But we have to try and understand the world with our very limited and very varied faculties.
That includes my own (often very bad) take on things.
The Commando Order was given in 1942. Hitler gave an earlier order to kill all survivors of ships which had been sunk by U Boats; nazis obeyed , officers and gentlemen did not..
The Commando Order was given in 1942. Hitler gave an earlier order to kill all survivors of ships which had been sunk by U Boats; nazis obeyed , officers and gentlemen did not..
…Orwell said it the best “People sleep peacefully in their beds at night, only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”…we would do well to remember that advice…
This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
I understand. I think I agree to be honest.
It’s not really my day job this business. In case you couldn’t tell. I think we have been distracted, I feel like we may have massively underestimated the situation I think. I’m not sure. That was my main worry I suppose, it’s hard to do the anti war argument without the let’s play nicely and look at all sides argument. I don’t think I always did that the right way, I don’t personally think we will be negotiating anything now, and perhaps we shouldn’t. I’m out my depth now really, I don’t have the time I had, I’m leaving it with Mr logan. I think he was right, the old world has gone.
I like that Shepperd quote, thanks for the time gentlemen.
…Orwell said it the best “People sleep peacefully in their beds at night, only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”…we would do well to remember that advice…
Muggers are pacifists as are most criminals; they want you to hand over your valuables without fighting to defend them. The most successful criminals are very good at assessing the risk and avoid being hurt. Criminals are very discerning at choosing victims; those who will hand over valuables with little risk to themselves.
When Churchill created the Commandos , a force to ” Butcher and Bolt ” and the SOE to ” Set Europe ablaze ” he knew exactly what he was doing. Sec LT Robert Shepperd of the SOE said ” We were gangsters with the knowledge of gangsters but the behaviour, if possible of gentlemen”. An SBS sergeant said we knew we were physically and pschologically stronger than the Germans.
If one wants civilisation to thrive then one needs civilised people to be better at fighting than the savages.Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan and Timur The Lame demonstrated when this did not happen.
The West, by by turning wolfhounds into lapdogs has turned them into starters for wolves. There are plenty of regimes who will happily employ The Wagner Group.
The problem for the West is that the ruling class is a mixture of self hatred because it is unheroic, naivety, hubris, a belief in it’s moral and intellectual superiority, gullibility, a desire to protect it’s security and comfort at all costs and weakness. This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
You are probably right. I didn’t come to apologise for putin. I just want peace. It seems increasingly unlikely that is possible.
I liked the Tottenham article, I just came here by accident, from the bottom, with a Tottenham mentality and mouth.
Nobody was doing the peace argument very well. I probably didn’t either. I’m letting it go.
Much respect, from Tottenham.
martin logan
1 year ago
Looks like the new face of reality.
And it looks very much like a re-run of the really bad parts of the Renaissance, with mercenary groups pillaging their way through a good part of the developing world.
The New Landsknechts, with a latter-day Wallenstein far worse than the original.
So be careful what you wish for.
When you cry out for “a multipolar world,” one of those poles will undoubtedly involve out-of-control mercenaries like these.
We already saw that in Africa in the 60’s. But this will be far worse.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
How does a law firm in Britain sue a Russian mercenary group? In what court would such a suit be heard? And if whoever sits in judgement rules in favor of the plaintiffs, how is the penalty enforced? Seems a futile exercise, rather like when my former New Hampshire town issued a proclamation claiming George W. Bush to be a war criminal. Whether he was or wasn’t isn’t for me to say but it was utterly toothless and, as we can see, has had zero impact on the former president.
You’ll get nowhere asking straight sensible questions like that.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
How does a law firm in Britain sue a Russian mercenary group? In what court would such a suit be heard? And if whoever sits in judgement rules in favor of the plaintiffs, how is the penalty enforced? Seems a futile exercise, rather like when my former New Hampshire town issued a proclamation claiming George W. Bush to be a war criminal. Whether he was or wasn’t isn’t for me to say but it was utterly toothless and, as we can see, has had zero impact on the former president.
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Didn’t the US and Blackrock produce the blueprint?
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Didn’t the US and Blackrock produce the blueprint?
Peta Seel
1 year ago
For people involved in anything in many parts of Africa the activities of the Wagner group have been known for years. I am not going to name any names but there are some highly respected and publicly quoted companies as well as private ones who use their services to protect their interests in Africa. Their methods have always been barbaric but until now, when they are on the doorstep of Europe in Ukraine, the powers that be have chosen to turn a blind eye. It is interesting to note, on that subject, that Macron pulled the French Army out of Mali when the government entered into a contract with the Wagner group. It is also interesting to note that the Wagner Group have been far more effective against civilians and ill-trained armies than it has been against the well-trained, armed and motivated Ukrainian army.
Peta Seel
1 year ago
For people involved in anything in many parts of Africa the activities of the Wagner group have been known for years. I am not going to name any names but there are some highly respected and publicly quoted companies as well as private ones who use their services to protect their interests in Africa. Their methods have always been barbaric but until now, when they are on the doorstep of Europe in Ukraine, the powers that be have chosen to turn a blind eye. It is interesting to note, on that subject, that Macron pulled the French Army out of Mali when the government entered into a contract with the Wagner group. It is also interesting to note that the Wagner Group have been far more effective against civilians and ill-trained armies than it has been against the well-trained, armed and motivated Ukrainian army.
Sayantani Gupta Jafa
1 year ago
You could also give some balance to your repeated analysis embedded in the Deep State of the West by commenting on the CIA’s ops. ” Agreed about Wagner but what about the CIA? And the machinations of the Vicki Nuland set of the State Department?
Conversations with the Crow” by Gregory Douglas is a good start. Of course that may mean biting a hand that feeds …
Dismissing S. Gupta Jafa’s comment with a hashtag is pretty lazy. Whataboutism is just another way to denigrate comparisons, which are perfectly legitimate, rational ways to ask questions and draw conclusions.
The CIA is a dangerous organization run by a notoriously corrupt State Department. What about that?
Dismissing S. Gupta Jafa’s comment with a hashtag is pretty lazy. Whataboutism is just another way to denigrate comparisons, which are perfectly legitimate, rational ways to ask questions and draw conclusions.
The CIA is a dangerous organization run by a notoriously corrupt State Department. What about that?
Gasp!
What a scoop!
Viktoria Nuland–the leader of an international terrorist/mercenary group!?!?
Who could have suspected what lay behind those cookies?
Hilarious that Putin was dumb enough to think that Victoria–or even the whole CIA–could manufacture Maidan.
But Putin really does think that only spies and soldiers have agency in the world. Hence his confidence that his spies and soldiers could take Ukraine in three days.
There’s dumb.
But when you think like Putin & Co…
Dumbest.
Hilarious that Putin was dumb enough to think that Victoria–or even the whole CIA–could manufacture Maidan.
But Putin really does think that only spies and soldiers have agency in the world. Hence his confidence that his spies and soldiers could take Ukraine in three days.
There’s dumb.
But when you think like Putin & Co…
Dumbest.
Gasp!
What a scoop!
Viktoria Nuland–the leader of an international terrorist/mercenary group!?!?
Who could have suspected what lay behind those cookies?
Sayantani Gupta Jafa
1 year ago
You could also give some balance to your repeated analysis embedded in the Deep State of the West by commenting on the CIA’s ops. ” Agreed about Wagner but what about the CIA? And the machinations of the Vicki Nuland set of the State Department?
Conversations with the Crow” by Gregory Douglas is a good start. Of course that may mean biting a hand that feeds …
Last edited 1 year ago by Sayantani Gupta Jafa
martin logan
1 year ago
The real danger for Russians is that many other Russian businesses are recruiting their own PMCs.
They may say they are going to send them to fight in Donbas. But when Putin goes, the oligarchs may well turn on one another, and be at every other throat.
Once the normal, legal norms go in any society, bad actors appear almost as if by magic.
The real danger for Russians is that many other Russian businesses are recruiting their own PMCs.
They may say they are going to send them to fight in Donbas. But when Putin goes, the oligarchs may well turn on one another, and be at every other throat.
Once the normal, legal norms go in any society, bad actors appear almost as if by magic.
R S Foster
1 year ago
…so far as I recall, in the early years of the Czarist Empire the Hetman of various Cossack communities gave direct personal loyalty to the Czar not the state (to the extent that the two were distinguishable)…and on that basis defended and extended the “All the Russias” abroad and crushed rebellion at home…so this seems to reflect Putin’s enthusiasm for history.
R S Foster
1 year ago
…so far as I recall, in the early years of the Czarist Empire the Hetman of various Cossack communities gave direct personal loyalty to the Czar not the state (to the extent that the two were distinguishable)…and on that basis defended and extended the “All the Russias” abroad and crushed rebellion at home…so this seems to reflect Putin’s enthusiasm for history.
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Stalin said, “One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.” His family was even more screwed up than Joe Biden’s with suicides, murders and alcoholism claiming victims. Putin is cut from the same cloth, and it will be up to history to tell the story–if there is anyone left to tell it.
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Stalin said, “One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.” His family was even more screwed up than Joe Biden’s with suicides, murders and alcoholism claiming victims. Putin is cut from the same cloth, and it will be up to history to tell the story–if there is anyone left to tell it.
martin logan
1 year ago
The most worrying part about all this is that giant Russian companies like Gazprom are also creating their own merc companies.
If you thought the 90s were bac, with assassinations of individual oligarchs/mafiosi, after Putin goes, you may well see whole regiments of mercenaries start warring against one another.
Russia has been headed down a very dark path since 2014, and it soon may reap the whirlwind.
I am sad to say, but I think we are going to be entering a period of widespread warlordism in many less stable parts of the world
martin logan
1 year ago
The most worrying part about all this is that giant Russian companies like Gazprom are also creating their own merc companies.
If you thought the 90s were bac, with assassinations of individual oligarchs/mafiosi, after Putin goes, you may well see whole regiments of mercenaries start warring against one another.
Russia has been headed down a very dark path since 2014, and it soon may reap the whirlwind.
A few months ago Freddie Sayers interviewed economist Louis Gave re: Ukraine. Gave was of the opinion that the West was in trouble because flighting Climate Change and Putin is effectively a two-front war. That view made sense to me because the climate issue has clearly devolved into an extremely expensive an divisive moral crusade. There’s been widespread economic damage especially in the demonized ‘deplorable’ class while eco-carpetbaggers have been getting rich.
So what does that have to do with the Wagner Group? The article appears to be well-researched and offers up a believable account of how the group works and for whom. They are nasty. Point taken, but I found this recent article explains further about why they are messing around in Sudan and other African countries: csis.org/analysis/how-does-conflict-sudan-affect-russia-and-wagner-group. Apparently gold mining and a possible Russian naval base are the key attractions in Sudan.
China wasn’t mentioned specifically but IMO it seems obvious that the on-going campaign to hoover up valuable resources in Africa (and elsewhere),which China has been very active for years, is quickly establishing the financial bedrock for global realignment that would make China and Russia the leaders of BRICS and Co. Ltd.
In the meantime two recent US initiatives in Africa come to mind. Last September John Kerry warned Africans, of which over 600M have no access to electricity at all, not to depend on fossil fuels and that international financing would be limited to green energy. Not good news for African countries sitting on untapped oil resources.
Then a month or so ago VP Kamala Harris (remember her?) does a whistle stop tour in Africa. I’m not sure why because even Americans don’t listen to her unless they happen to be in the funny memes business. She blathered on about Alphabet rights literally while Ghana was debating a bill to restrict those rights even further.
Outside of the Anglosphere and EU bubble there is a large part of the world that is not interested in Alphabet rights, DEI and ESG. They don’t debate gender – they’re quite sure what a woman actually is. Rules based international order? No thanks. Many of these countries are sitting on valuable resources that could bring growth and prosperity and they aren’t much impressed by morality lectures from jet-setting, over-stuffed westerners warning them to “not live it up like we do – it’s bad for the planet”. Meanwhile, Russia and China are showing up in these countries with muscle and money, doing deals and not worrying about social justice.
I don’t think that asking hard questions about the repeated leadership fails in the West makes one a Putin apologist. As a Canadian I seriously doubt that anyone in our government can remember when they last told the truth about anything. As to Ukraine, that the Russian invasion is indefensible seems to be an easy point but aside from the obvious destruction and human suffering you need a truckload of salt to swallow the news stream we’ve been fed over the last year from either side. We know Russia is still there. Everything else is a guess.
IMO, Wagner Group operations, and by extension increased Sino Russian influence, belong in the same category as Brexit and Trump. They are/were treated as new challenges when they are actually the result of old problems not addressed.
You are correct – Kamala ‘word salad’ Harris is our nation joke…and just think she’s the step-in for ‘Dementia’-ed Joe who says he’s running for a second term….God Help Us
…sorry tro repeat, but the West has become over-feminized, so in the cycle of Yin and Yang, we have chaos ahead for quite a while.
You are correct – Kamala ‘word salad’ Harris is our nation joke…and just think she’s the step-in for ‘Dementia’-ed Joe who says he’s running for a second term….God Help Us
…sorry tro repeat, but the West has become over-feminized, so in the cycle of Yin and Yang, we have chaos ahead for quite a while.
A few months ago Freddie Sayers interviewed economist Louis Gave re: Ukraine. Gave was of the opinion that the West was in trouble because flighting Climate Change and Putin is effectively a two-front war. That view made sense to me because the climate issue has clearly devolved into an extremely expensive an divisive moral crusade. There’s been widespread economic damage especially in the demonized ‘deplorable’ class while eco-carpetbaggers have been getting rich.
So what does that have to do with the Wagner Group? The article appears to be well-researched and offers up a believable account of how the group works and for whom. They are nasty. Point taken, but I found this recent article explains further about why they are messing around in Sudan and other African countries: csis.org/analysis/how-does-conflict-sudan-affect-russia-and-wagner-group. Apparently gold mining and a possible Russian naval base are the key attractions in Sudan.
China wasn’t mentioned specifically but IMO it seems obvious that the on-going campaign to hoover up valuable resources in Africa (and elsewhere),which China has been very active for years, is quickly establishing the financial bedrock for global realignment that would make China and Russia the leaders of BRICS and Co. Ltd.
In the meantime two recent US initiatives in Africa come to mind. Last September John Kerry warned Africans, of which over 600M have no access to electricity at all, not to depend on fossil fuels and that international financing would be limited to green energy. Not good news for African countries sitting on untapped oil resources.
Then a month or so ago VP Kamala Harris (remember her?) does a whistle stop tour in Africa. I’m not sure why because even Americans don’t listen to her unless they happen to be in the funny memes business. She blathered on about Alphabet rights literally while Ghana was debating a bill to restrict those rights even further.
Outside of the Anglosphere and EU bubble there is a large part of the world that is not interested in Alphabet rights, DEI and ESG. They don’t debate gender – they’re quite sure what a woman actually is. Rules based international order? No thanks. Many of these countries are sitting on valuable resources that could bring growth and prosperity and they aren’t much impressed by morality lectures from jet-setting, over-stuffed westerners warning them to “not live it up like we do – it’s bad for the planet”. Meanwhile, Russia and China are showing up in these countries with muscle and money, doing deals and not worrying about social justice.
I don’t think that asking hard questions about the repeated leadership fails in the West makes one a Putin apologist. As a Canadian I seriously doubt that anyone in our government can remember when they last told the truth about anything. As to Ukraine, that the Russian invasion is indefensible seems to be an easy point but aside from the obvious destruction and human suffering you need a truckload of salt to swallow the news stream we’ve been fed over the last year from either side. We know Russia is still there. Everything else is a guess.
IMO, Wagner Group operations, and by extension increased Sino Russian influence, belong in the same category as Brexit and Trump. They are/were treated as new challenges when they are actually the result of old problems not addressed.
Required reading for the remaining Putin apologists. And anyone who thinks that the current Russian regime are on the side of less developed countries.
Please continue with these articles.
However Wagner & Co did save Mr Assad from those simply appalling Saudis and their cronies.
And saved the people of Aleppo from their city.
Barrel bombs macht frei !!
And saved the people of Aleppo from their city.
Barrel bombs macht frei !!
Nuance is not your thing right Peter?
However Wagner & Co did save Mr Assad from those simply appalling Saudis and their cronies.
Nuance is not your thing right Peter?
Required reading for the remaining Putin apologists. And anyone who thinks that the current Russian regime are on the side of less developed countries.
Please continue with these articles.
Looks like the new face of reality.
And it looks very much like a re-run of the really bad parts of the Renaissance, with mercenary groups pillaging their way through a good part of the developing world.
The New Landsknechts, with a latter-day Wallenstein far worse than the original.
So be careful what you wish for.
When you cry out for “a multipolar world,” one of those poles will undoubtedly involve out-of-control mercenaries like these.
We already saw that in Africa in the 60’s. But this will be far worse.
No doubt Prigozhin will suffer Wallenstein’s fate, which I seem to recall was rather ‘messy’?
One may only hope. Unfortunately, I suspect that his “liquidator” will probably take up the reins and exceed the excesses of his predecessor.
One may only hope. Unfortunately, I suspect that his “liquidator” will probably take up the reins and exceed the excesses of his predecessor.
Looks like the new face of reality.
You are probably right. I didn’t come to apologise for putin. I just want peace. It seems increasingly unlikely that is possible.
I liked the Tottenham article, I just came here by accident, from the bottom, with a Tottenham mentality and mouth.
Nobody was doing the peace argument very well. I probably didn’t either. I’m letting it go.
Much respect, from Tottenham.
Muggers are pacifists as are most criminals; they want you to hand over your valuables without fighting to defend them. The most successful criminals are very good at assessing the risk and avoid being hurt. Criminals are very discerning at choosing victims; those who will hand over valuables with little risk to themselves.
When Churchill created the Commandos , a force to ” Butcher and Bolt ” and the SOE to ” Set Europe ablaze ” he knew exactly what he was doing. Sec LT Robert Shepperd of the SOE said ” We were gangsters with the knowledge of gangsters but the behaviour, if possible of gentlemen”. An SBS sergeant said we knew we were physically and pschologically stronger than the Germans.
If one wants civilisation to thrive then one needs civilised people to be better at fighting than the savages.Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan and Timur The Lame demonstrated when this did not happen.
The West, by by turning wolfhounds into lapdogs has turned them into starters for wolves. There are plenty of regimes who will happily employ The Wagner Group.
The problem for the West is that the ruling class is a mixture of self hatred because it is unheroic, naivety, hubris, a belief in it’s moral and intellectual superiority, gullibility, a desire to protect it’s security and comfort at all costs and weakness. This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
I understand. I think I agree to be honest.
It’s not really my day job this business. In case you couldn’t tell. I think we have been distracted, I feel like we may have massively underestimated the situation I think. I’m not sure. That was my main worry I suppose, it’s hard to do the anti war argument without the let’s play nicely and look at all sides argument. I don’t think I always did that the right way, I don’t personally think we will be negotiating anything now, and perhaps we shouldn’t. I’m out my depth now really, I don’t have the time I had, I’m leaving it with Mr logan. I think he was right, the old world has gone.
I like that Shepperd quote, thanks for the time gentlemen.
Anybody who isn’t for peace, and doesn’t strive to bring it about in the best way they understand, is an idiot.
But we have to try and understand the world with our very limited and very varied faculties.
That includes my own (often very bad) take on things.
Dictatorships can be very peaceful provided one obeys the rules of the dictator. What happens if one wants to be free to think and act without reducing the freedom of others?
Dictatorships can be very peaceful provided one obeys the rules of the dictator. What happens if one wants to be free to think and act without reducing the freedom of others?
Anybody who isn’t for peace, and doesn’t strive to bring it about in the best way they understand, is an idiot.
But we have to try and understand the world with our very limited and very varied faculties.
That includes my own (often very bad) take on things.
“When Churchill created the Commandos , a force to ” Butcher and Bolt ” and the SOE “
That did rather provoke the OKW to issue the infamous Commando Order, and was really worth it?
I wonder how many “Commandos” were thus killed, when they could otherwise have been treated as POW’s?
The Commando Order was given in 1942. Hitler gave an earlier order to kill all survivors of ships which had been sunk by U Boats; nazis obeyed , officers and gentlemen did not..
Not many Officers & Gentlemen on H.M.S. Baralong as I recall.
Not many Officers & Gentlemen on H.M.S. Baralong as I recall.
The Commando Order was given in 1942. Hitler gave an earlier order to kill all survivors of ships which had been sunk by U Boats; nazis obeyed , officers and gentlemen did not..
…Orwell said it the best “People sleep peacefully in their beds at night, only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”…we would do well to remember that advice…
…in other words, it’s overly feminized.
Wait, so you’re saying Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan and Timur The Lame were uncivilized savages?
This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
I understand. I think I agree to be honest.
It’s not really my day job this business. In case you couldn’t tell. I think we have been distracted, I feel like we may have massively underestimated the situation I think. I’m not sure. That was my main worry I suppose, it’s hard to do the anti war argument without the let’s play nicely and look at all sides argument. I don’t think I always did that the right way, I don’t personally think we will be negotiating anything now, and perhaps we shouldn’t. I’m out my depth now really, I don’t have the time I had, I’m leaving it with Mr logan. I think he was right, the old world has gone.
I like that Shepperd quote, thanks for the time gentlemen.
“When Churchill created the Commandos , a force to ” Butcher and Bolt ” and the SOE “
That did rather provoke the OKW to issue the infamous Commando Order, and was really worth it?
I wonder how many “Commandos” were thus killed, when they could otherwise have been treated as POW’s?
…Orwell said it the best “People sleep peacefully in their beds at night, only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”…we would do well to remember that advice…
…in other words, it’s overly feminized.
Wait, so you’re saying Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan and Timur The Lame were uncivilized savages?
Muggers are pacifists as are most criminals; they want you to hand over your valuables without fighting to defend them. The most successful criminals are very good at assessing the risk and avoid being hurt. Criminals are very discerning at choosing victims; those who will hand over valuables with little risk to themselves.
When Churchill created the Commandos , a force to ” Butcher and Bolt ” and the SOE to ” Set Europe ablaze ” he knew exactly what he was doing. Sec LT Robert Shepperd of the SOE said ” We were gangsters with the knowledge of gangsters but the behaviour, if possible of gentlemen”. An SBS sergeant said we knew we were physically and pschologically stronger than the Germans.
If one wants civilisation to thrive then one needs civilised people to be better at fighting than the savages.Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan and Timur The Lame demonstrated when this did not happen.
The West, by by turning wolfhounds into lapdogs has turned them into starters for wolves. There are plenty of regimes who will happily employ The Wagner Group.
The problem for the West is that the ruling class is a mixture of self hatred because it is unheroic, naivety, hubris, a belief in it’s moral and intellectual superiority, gullibility, a desire to protect it’s security and comfort at all costs and weakness. This means it is completely incapable of recognising the danger of The Wagner Group or similar types;understanding it’s appeal to certain regimes and defeating it.
No doubt Prigozhin will suffer Wallenstein’s fate, which I seem to recall was rather ‘messy’?
Looks like the new face of reality.
You are probably right. I didn’t come to apologise for putin. I just want peace. It seems increasingly unlikely that is possible.
I liked the Tottenham article, I just came here by accident, from the bottom, with a Tottenham mentality and mouth.
Nobody was doing the peace argument very well. I probably didn’t either. I’m letting it go.
Much respect, from Tottenham.
Looks like the new face of reality.
And it looks very much like a re-run of the really bad parts of the Renaissance, with mercenary groups pillaging their way through a good part of the developing world.
The New Landsknechts, with a latter-day Wallenstein far worse than the original.
So be careful what you wish for.
When you cry out for “a multipolar world,” one of those poles will undoubtedly involve out-of-control mercenaries like these.
We already saw that in Africa in the 60’s. But this will be far worse.
How does a law firm in Britain sue a Russian mercenary group? In what court would such a suit be heard? And if whoever sits in judgement rules in favor of the plaintiffs, how is the penalty enforced? Seems a futile exercise, rather like when my former New Hampshire town issued a proclamation claiming George W. Bush to be a war criminal. Whether he was or wasn’t isn’t for me to say but it was utterly toothless and, as we can see, has had zero impact on the former president.
You’ll get nowhere asking straight sensible questions like that.
You’ll get nowhere asking straight sensible questions like that.
How does a law firm in Britain sue a Russian mercenary group? In what court would such a suit be heard? And if whoever sits in judgement rules in favor of the plaintiffs, how is the penalty enforced? Seems a futile exercise, rather like when my former New Hampshire town issued a proclamation claiming George W. Bush to be a war criminal. Whether he was or wasn’t isn’t for me to say but it was utterly toothless and, as we can see, has had zero impact on the former president.
Didn’t the US and Blackrock produce the blueprint?
Didn’t the US and Blackrock produce the blueprint?
For people involved in anything in many parts of Africa the activities of the Wagner group have been known for years. I am not going to name any names but there are some highly respected and publicly quoted companies as well as private ones who use their services to protect their interests in Africa. Their methods have always been barbaric but until now, when they are on the doorstep of Europe in Ukraine, the powers that be have chosen to turn a blind eye. It is interesting to note, on that subject, that Macron pulled the French Army out of Mali when the government entered into a contract with the Wagner group. It is also interesting to note that the Wagner Group have been far more effective against civilians and ill-trained armies than it has been against the well-trained, armed and motivated Ukrainian army.
For people involved in anything in many parts of Africa the activities of the Wagner group have been known for years. I am not going to name any names but there are some highly respected and publicly quoted companies as well as private ones who use their services to protect their interests in Africa. Their methods have always been barbaric but until now, when they are on the doorstep of Europe in Ukraine, the powers that be have chosen to turn a blind eye. It is interesting to note, on that subject, that Macron pulled the French Army out of Mali when the government entered into a contract with the Wagner group. It is also interesting to note that the Wagner Group have been far more effective against civilians and ill-trained armies than it has been against the well-trained, armed and motivated Ukrainian army.
You could also give some balance to your repeated analysis embedded in the Deep State of the West by commenting on the CIA’s ops. ” Agreed about Wagner but what about the CIA? And the machinations of the Vicki Nuland set of the State Department?
Conversations with the Crow” by Gregory Douglas is a good start. Of course that may mean biting a hand that feeds …
#whataboutism
Dismissing S. Gupta Jafa’s comment with a hashtag is pretty lazy. Whataboutism is just another way to denigrate comparisons, which are perfectly legitimate, rational ways to ask questions and draw conclusions.
The CIA is a dangerous organization run by a notoriously corrupt State Department. What about that?
Dismissing S. Gupta Jafa’s comment with a hashtag is pretty lazy. Whataboutism is just another way to denigrate comparisons, which are perfectly legitimate, rational ways to ask questions and draw conclusions.
The CIA is a dangerous organization run by a notoriously corrupt State Department. What about that?
Gasp!
What a scoop!
Viktoria Nuland–the leader of an international terrorist/mercenary group!?!?
Who could have suspected what lay behind those cookies?
Vicki Nuland is a extremist as far as most of the non West is concerned. Not however for Langley Park poodles who abound here!
I see her name crops up in connection with the current troubles in Sudan
Hilarious that Putin was dumb enough to think that Victoria–or even the whole CIA–could manufacture Maidan.
But Putin really does think that only spies and soldiers have agency in the world. Hence his confidence that his spies and soldiers could take Ukraine in three days.
There’s dumb.
But when you think like Putin & Co…
Dumbest.
There you go again Oswald Mosley in Adolf jackboots
There you go again Oswald Mosley in Adolf jackboots
I see her name crops up in connection with the current troubles in Sudan
Hilarious that Putin was dumb enough to think that Victoria–or even the whole CIA–could manufacture Maidan.
But Putin really does think that only spies and soldiers have agency in the world. Hence his confidence that his spies and soldiers could take Ukraine in three days.
There’s dumb.
But when you think like Putin & Co…
Dumbest.
Vicki Nuland is a extremist as far as most of the non West is concerned. Not however for Langley Park poodles who abound here!
#whataboutism
Gasp!
What a scoop!
Viktoria Nuland–the leader of an international terrorist/mercenary group!?!?
Who could have suspected what lay behind those cookies?
You could also give some balance to your repeated analysis embedded in the Deep State of the West by commenting on the CIA’s ops. ” Agreed about Wagner but what about the CIA? And the machinations of the Vicki Nuland set of the State Department?
Conversations with the Crow” by Gregory Douglas is a good start. Of course that may mean biting a hand that feeds …
The real danger for Russians is that many other Russian businesses are recruiting their own PMCs.
They may say they are going to send them to fight in Donbas. But when Putin goes, the oligarchs may well turn on one another, and be at every other throat.
Once the normal, legal norms go in any society, bad actors appear almost as if by magic.
I think you mean Lucifer.
…no no no, that’s Al Gore.
…no no no, that’s Al Gore.
I think you mean Lucifer.
The real danger for Russians is that many other Russian businesses are recruiting their own PMCs.
They may say they are going to send them to fight in Donbas. But when Putin goes, the oligarchs may well turn on one another, and be at every other throat.
Once the normal, legal norms go in any society, bad actors appear almost as if by magic.
…so far as I recall, in the early years of the Czarist Empire the Hetman of various Cossack communities gave direct personal loyalty to the Czar not the state (to the extent that the two were distinguishable)…and on that basis defended and extended the “All the Russias” abroad and crushed rebellion at home…so this seems to reflect Putin’s enthusiasm for history.
…so far as I recall, in the early years of the Czarist Empire the Hetman of various Cossack communities gave direct personal loyalty to the Czar not the state (to the extent that the two were distinguishable)…and on that basis defended and extended the “All the Russias” abroad and crushed rebellion at home…so this seems to reflect Putin’s enthusiasm for history.
Stalin said, “One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.” His family was even more screwed up than Joe Biden’s with suicides, murders and alcoholism claiming victims. Putin is cut from the same cloth, and it will be up to history to tell the story–if there is anyone left to tell it.
Stalin said, “One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.” His family was even more screwed up than Joe Biden’s with suicides, murders and alcoholism claiming victims. Putin is cut from the same cloth, and it will be up to history to tell the story–if there is anyone left to tell it.
The most worrying part about all this is that giant Russian companies like Gazprom are also creating their own merc companies.
If you thought the 90s were bac, with assassinations of individual oligarchs/mafiosi, after Putin goes, you may well see whole regiments of mercenaries start warring against one another.
Russia has been headed down a very dark path since 2014, and it soon may reap the whirlwind.
I am sad to say, but I think we are going to be entering a period of widespread warlordism in many less stable parts of the world
That is a very percetive comment and also very worrying.
That is a very percetive comment and also very worrying.
I am sad to say, but I think we are going to be entering a period of widespread warlordism in many less stable parts of the world
The most worrying part about all this is that giant Russian companies like Gazprom are also creating their own merc companies.
If you thought the 90s were bac, with assassinations of individual oligarchs/mafiosi, after Putin goes, you may well see whole regiments of mercenaries start warring against one another.
Russia has been headed down a very dark path since 2014, and it soon may reap the whirlwind.
The Americans need to take him off the board.
The Americans need to take him off the board.