Of course BLM didn’t take off in Japan – it would be like expecting Eskimos Lives Matter to take off in Indonesia
Sophy T
1 year ago
Of course BLM didn’t take off in Japan – it would be like expecting Eskimos Lives Matter to take off in Indonesia
Cho Jinn
1 year ago
“In a country where stoic endurance is prized and maintaining societal harmony is considered of far greater value than personal suffering”
We sure as hell can’t have that!
The left cannot seem to resist its missionary impulse to convert the world to their pseudo-religion. This is an issue for the people of Japan to decide according to THEIR values, THEIR courts, and THEIR elected officials, yet western journalists can’t seem to help sticking their judgmental noses into everyone else’s business, and they don’t even have a leg of credibility to stand on. After all, the incidence of sex crimes, and most every other kind of crime, is far lower in Japan than in most western societies. The author concedes as much, but when has mankind ever let little things like facts stand in the way of a holy crusade? He clearly has done a lot of research about the culture, but like some Jesuit missionary from bygone days, his primary motivation seems to be converting the heathen savages.
I would have to look that up but I believe so. They were among the several European groups that tried and failed utterly to open Japanese society to trade and foreign influence for hundreds of years. The US succeeded with a somewhat more direct approach. Japan and the US have a certain synergy which I attribute to our shared appreciation for pragmatism rather than idealism.
Actually I think the Japanese were somewhat revolted by Commodore Perry’s ridiculously gauche approach but did realise they had to modernise and fast.
Rather satisfyingly they decided to emulate Great Britain and NOT the somewhat adolescent USA.As such we had a very fruitful and amicable relationship up until the disastrous Washington Disarmament Treaty of 1922.
Actually I think the Japanese were somewhat revolted by Commodore Perry’s ridiculously gauche approach but did realise they had to modernise and fast.
Rather satisfyingly they decided to emulate Great Britain and NOT the somewhat adolescent USA.As such we had a very fruitful and amicable relationship up until the disastrous Washington Disarmament Treaty of 1922.
Sic semper missionaries. St. Francis Xavier opined that the Japanese language was invented by the Devill, to frustrate the propagation of the Gospel. Ironically, he was a Basque.
Yes Portuguese Jesuits were crucified in Japan after the Tokugawa decree in 1614 which isolated Japan for about 240 years.
The Portuguese were doing incredible business between Japan and China. They were shipping silver from Japan to their colony in China, Macao. At the time official money in China was silver coins. So the Chinese were exchanging gold for silver at the weight ratio of 1:1 !!! Macao accumulated unbelievable wealth which lasted till the 20th century.
I would have to look that up but I believe so. They were among the several European groups that tried and failed utterly to open Japanese society to trade and foreign influence for hundreds of years. The US succeeded with a somewhat more direct approach. Japan and the US have a certain synergy which I attribute to our shared appreciation for pragmatism rather than idealism.
Sic semper missionaries. St. Francis Xavier opined that the Japanese language was invented by the Devill, to frustrate the propagation of the Gospel. Ironically, he was a Basque.
Yes Portuguese Jesuits were crucified in Japan after the Tokugawa decree in 1614 which isolated Japan for about 240 years.
The Portuguese were doing incredible business between Japan and China. They were shipping silver from Japan to their colony in China, Macao. At the time official money in China was silver coins. So the Chinese were exchanging gold for silver at the weight ratio of 1:1 !!! Macao accumulated unbelievable wealth which lasted till the 20th century.
The writer makes the point that stats for crime may seem very low because most victims do not report crimes that happen to them. However, I agree that western journalists always want to tar and feather Japan without taking into account the value of stoicism and harmony, two things our fractured and angry culture has abandoned in favour of a grievance culture.
I did ask my daughter why she was campaigning against FGM in the Middle East, but not against the MGM and FGM promoted by the trans paedos, but she didn’t really have an answer.
The writer makes the point that stats for crime may seem very low because most victims do not report crimes that happen to them. However, I agree that western journalists always want to tar and feather Japan without taking into account the value of stoicism and harmony, two things our fractured and angry culture has abandoned in favour of a grievance culture.
I did ask my daughter why she was campaigning against FGM in the Middle East, but not against the MGM and FGM promoted by the trans paedos, but she didn’t really have an answer.
The left cannot seem to resist its missionary impulse to convert the world to their pseudo-religion. This is an issue for the people of Japan to decide according to THEIR values, THEIR courts, and THEIR elected officials, yet western journalists can’t seem to help sticking their judgmental noses into everyone else’s business, and they don’t even have a leg of credibility to stand on. After all, the incidence of sex crimes, and most every other kind of crime, is far lower in Japan than in most western societies. The author concedes as much, but when has mankind ever let little things like facts stand in the way of a holy crusade? He clearly has done a lot of research about the culture, but like some Jesuit missionary from bygone days, his primary motivation seems to be converting the heathen savages.
And there was this wise gem: “In a culture where direct expressions of opinion or intent are considered impolite and injurious to societal harmony…”
Cho Jinn
1 year ago
“In a country where stoic endurance is prized and maintaining societal harmony is considered of far greater value than personal suffering”
We sure as hell can’t have that!
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Given that Japan appears to have little or no infestation from the global warming/LGBT/ Racism pandemic, we should be learning from them?
Dropping not one, but TWO Atomic Bombs, does seem to have had the most beneficial and indeed unexpected result, it must be said.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Given that Japan appears to have little or no infestation from the global warming/LGBT/ Racism pandemic, we should be learning from them?
Philip Stott
1 year ago
“… and Prime Minister Fumio Kishida — who was schooled in the US and is on a mission to harmonise Japanese society with Western norm …”
Be careful what you wish for – rape seems all but decriminalised in the UK.
“… and Prime Minister Fumio Kishida — who was schooled in the US and is on a mission to harmonise Japanese society with Western norm …”
Be careful what you wish for – rape seems all but decriminalised in the UK.
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Luminaries such as the convict Christine Legarde?
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Luminaries such as the convict Christine Legarde?
E. L. Herndon
1 year ago
Projecting Western cultural norms on a very different but equally viable thought system is as silly as putting trousers on pets. Japan’s culture for instance gave us bunraku, an amazing theatrical form. The handlers of the 3/4 size marionettes walk behind them, dressed in black, and so are officially invisible. Officially not seeing something is not the same as saying it isn’t there.
E. L. Herndon
1 year ago
Projecting Western cultural norms on a very different but equally viable thought system is as silly as putting trousers on pets. Japan’s culture for instance gave us bunraku, an amazing theatrical form. The handlers of the 3/4 size marionettes walk behind them, dressed in black, and so are officially invisible. Officially not seeing something is not the same as saying it isn’t there.
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
The Shunga of Japan with their exaggerated genitalia as ordinary art that could be given as presents to newly wed girls certainly suggests a fairly unusual open attitude to sex in Japan.
it was certainly interesting to learn of the equally unusual legal elements as far as the age of consent and rape are concerned and the cultural habits that have sustained them until recently.
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
The Shunga of Japan with their exaggerated genitalia as ordinary art that could be given as presents to newly wed girls certainly suggests a fairly unusual open attitude to sex in Japan.
it was certainly interesting to learn of the equally unusual legal elements as far as the age of consent and rape are concerned and the cultural habits that have sustained them until recently.
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
A lot of justice in Japan is held behind the scenes, not in open courts. Like many things, minor criminals are often held to account by real gangsters who do not permit unsanctioned crime.
Can’t imagine a visitor ever grasping the Japanese culture, so unlike most western cultures. Many elements are not observable from the outside. Concepts of obligation are built into the culture as are roles in society set by tradition.
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
A lot of justice in Japan is held behind the scenes, not in open courts. Like many things, minor criminals are often held to account by real gangsters who do not permit unsanctioned crime.
Can’t imagine a visitor ever grasping the Japanese culture, so unlike most western cultures. Many elements are not observable from the outside. Concepts of obligation are built into the culture as are roles in society set by tradition.
Peter Joy
1 year ago
‘…western norms…’ ‘…international standards…’
Pffft! Japan’s social arrangements and laws are a matter for the Japanese and no one else.
And ‘luminaries such as …Christine Lagarde.’ Is the author trying to be funny? In 2016, a French court convicted her of criminal negligence.
Peter Joy
1 year ago
‘…western norms…’ ‘…international standards…’
Pffft! Japan’s social arrangements and laws are a matter for the Japanese and no one else.
And ‘luminaries such as …Christine Lagarde.’ Is the author trying to be funny? In 2016, a French court convicted her of criminal negligence.
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
As at 15.33 BST.only four comments have avoided the Censor’s wrath.
So all in all a rather pointless exercise, as all debate is thus stifled .
Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
As at 15.33 BST.only four comments have avoided the Censor’s wrath.
So all in all a rather pointless exercise, as all debate is thus stifled .
Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
UnHerd don’t bother to put such articles into ‘special measures’ it just completely destroys the discussion (banter), so what is the point?
Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
UnHerd don’t bother to put such articles into ‘special measures’ it just completely destroys the discussion (banter), so what is the point?
Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
20.58 BST. The Censor has retired to bed!
Conversation over.
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
20.58 BST. The Censor has retired to bed!
Conversation over.
Clare Knight
1 year ago
I saw an episode of Anthony Bourdain’s ‘Parts unknown’ in Japan, focusing on the sex industry. It was eye opener about how accepting and out in the open the culture is about anything sexual, particularly young women working as dominatrixes. They understood the need for that in a country where gender roles are so rigid. Understandably,the young women seemed to really enjoy the switch.
Clare Knight
1 year ago
I saw an episode of Anthony Bourdain’s ‘Parts unknown’ in Japan, focusing on the sex industry. It was eye opener about how accepting and out in the open the culture is about anything sexual, particularly young women working as dominatrixes. They understood the need for that in a country where gender roles are so rigid. Understandably,the young women seemed to really enjoy the switch.
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Of course BLM didn’t take off in Japan – it would be like expecting Eskimos Lives Matter to take off in Indonesia
Of course BLM didn’t take off in Japan – it would be like expecting Eskimos Lives Matter to take off in Indonesia
“In a country where stoic endurance is prized and maintaining societal harmony is considered of far greater value than personal suffering”
We sure as hell can’t have that!
The left cannot seem to resist its missionary impulse to convert the world to their pseudo-religion. This is an issue for the people of Japan to decide according to THEIR values, THEIR courts, and THEIR elected officials, yet western journalists can’t seem to help sticking their judgmental noses into everyone else’s business, and they don’t even have a leg of credibility to stand on. After all, the incidence of sex crimes, and most every other kind of crime, is far lower in Japan than in most western societies. The author concedes as much, but when has mankind ever let little things like facts stand in the way of a holy crusade? He clearly has done a lot of research about the culture, but like some Jesuit missionary from bygone days, his primary motivation seems to be converting the heathen savages.
Didn’t the Japanese eventually crucify the Jesuits?
I would have to look that up but I believe so. They were among the several European groups that tried and failed utterly to open Japanese society to trade and foreign influence for hundreds of years. The US succeeded with a somewhat more direct approach. Japan and the US have a certain synergy which I attribute to our shared appreciation for pragmatism rather than idealism.
Actually I think the Japanese were somewhat revolted by Commodore Perry’s ridiculously gauche approach but did realise they had to modernise and fast.
Rather satisfyingly they decided to emulate Great Britain and NOT the somewhat adolescent USA.As such we had a very fruitful and amicable relationship up until the disastrous Washington Disarmament Treaty of 1922.
Actually I think the Japanese were somewhat revolted by Commodore Perry’s ridiculously gauche approach but did realise they had to modernise and fast.
Rather satisfyingly they decided to emulate Great Britain and NOT the somewhat adolescent USA.As such we had a very fruitful and amicable relationship up until the disastrous Washington Disarmament Treaty of 1922.
Sic semper missionaries. St. Francis Xavier opined that the Japanese language was invented by the Devill, to frustrate the propagation of the Gospel. Ironically, he was a Basque.
Very good, thank you!
Very good, thank you!
Must have been long ago. Attended Sophia University and was taught by several Jesuits. Vow of poverty, but observed excellent Scotch in quarters.
Well, the Shogun did.
Yes Portuguese Jesuits were crucified in Japan after the Tokugawa decree in 1614 which isolated Japan for about 240 years.
The Portuguese were doing incredible business between Japan and China. They were shipping silver from Japan to their colony in China, Macao. At the time official money in China was silver coins. So the Chinese were exchanging gold for silver at the weight ratio of 1:1 !!! Macao accumulated unbelievable wealth which lasted till the 20th century.
I would have to look that up but I believe so. They were among the several European groups that tried and failed utterly to open Japanese society to trade and foreign influence for hundreds of years. The US succeeded with a somewhat more direct approach. Japan and the US have a certain synergy which I attribute to our shared appreciation for pragmatism rather than idealism.
Sic semper missionaries. St. Francis Xavier opined that the Japanese language was invented by the Devill, to frustrate the propagation of the Gospel. Ironically, he was a Basque.
Must have been long ago. Attended Sophia University and was taught by several Jesuits. Vow of poverty, but observed excellent Scotch in quarters.
Well, the Shogun did.
Yes Portuguese Jesuits were crucified in Japan after the Tokugawa decree in 1614 which isolated Japan for about 240 years.
The Portuguese were doing incredible business between Japan and China. They were shipping silver from Japan to their colony in China, Macao. At the time official money in China was silver coins. So the Chinese were exchanging gold for silver at the weight ratio of 1:1 !!! Macao accumulated unbelievable wealth which lasted till the 20th century.
The writer makes the point that stats for crime may seem very low because most victims do not report crimes that happen to them. However, I agree that western journalists always want to tar and feather Japan without taking into account the value of stoicism and harmony, two things our fractured and angry culture has abandoned in favour of a grievance culture.
“The incidence of sex crimes is far lower in Japan”. Perhaps it’s the incidence of reported sex crimes that’s lower.
I did ask my daughter why she was campaigning against FGM in the Middle East, but not against the MGM and FGM promoted by the trans paedos, but she didn’t really have an answer.
Didn’t the Japanese eventually crucify the Jesuits?
The writer makes the point that stats for crime may seem very low because most victims do not report crimes that happen to them. However, I agree that western journalists always want to tar and feather Japan without taking into account the value of stoicism and harmony, two things our fractured and angry culture has abandoned in favour of a grievance culture.
“The incidence of sex crimes is far lower in Japan”. Perhaps it’s the incidence of reported sex crimes that’s lower.
I did ask my daughter why she was campaigning against FGM in the Middle East, but not against the MGM and FGM promoted by the trans paedos, but she didn’t really have an answer.
And there was this wise gem:
“In a culture where direct expressions of opinion or intent are considered impolite and injurious to societal harmony…”
The left cannot seem to resist its missionary impulse to convert the world to their pseudo-religion. This is an issue for the people of Japan to decide according to THEIR values, THEIR courts, and THEIR elected officials, yet western journalists can’t seem to help sticking their judgmental noses into everyone else’s business, and they don’t even have a leg of credibility to stand on. After all, the incidence of sex crimes, and most every other kind of crime, is far lower in Japan than in most western societies. The author concedes as much, but when has mankind ever let little things like facts stand in the way of a holy crusade? He clearly has done a lot of research about the culture, but like some Jesuit missionary from bygone days, his primary motivation seems to be converting the heathen savages.
And there was this wise gem:
“In a culture where direct expressions of opinion or intent are considered impolite and injurious to societal harmony…”
“In a country where stoic endurance is prized and maintaining societal harmony is considered of far greater value than personal suffering”
We sure as hell can’t have that!
Given that Japan appears to have little or no infestation from the global warming/LGBT/ Racism pandemic, we should be learning from them?
Precisely, although I don’t think I’d be tempted to eat live frogs for breakfast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPLXNpSM1A
They also have a unique form of Capital Punishment which we could learn from.
Dropping not one, but TWO Atomic Bombs, does seem to have had the most beneficial and indeed unexpected result, it must be said.
If only some kindly power would drop four or five on us…
At least, on Slough….
At least, on Slough….
If only some kindly power would drop four or five on us…
Precisely, although I don’t think I’d be tempted to eat live frogs for breakfast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPLXNpSM1A
They also have a unique form of Capital Punishment which we could learn from.
Dropping not one, but TWO Atomic Bombs, does seem to have had the most beneficial and indeed unexpected result, it must be said.
Given that Japan appears to have little or no infestation from the global warming/LGBT/ Racism pandemic, we should be learning from them?
“… and Prime Minister Fumio Kishida — who was schooled in the US and is on a mission to harmonise Japanese society with Western norm …”
Be careful what you wish for – rape seems all but decriminalised in the UK.
Certainly seems to be in Scotland.
Certainly seems to be in Scotland.
“… and Prime Minister Fumio Kishida — who was schooled in the US and is on a mission to harmonise Japanese society with Western norm …”
Be careful what you wish for – rape seems all but decriminalised in the UK.
Luminaries such as the convict Christine Legarde?
Luminaries such as the convict Christine Legarde?
Projecting Western cultural norms on a very different but equally viable thought system is as silly as putting trousers on pets. Japan’s culture for instance gave us bunraku, an amazing theatrical form. The handlers of the 3/4 size marionettes walk behind them, dressed in black, and so are officially invisible. Officially not seeing something is not the same as saying it isn’t there.
Projecting Western cultural norms on a very different but equally viable thought system is as silly as putting trousers on pets. Japan’s culture for instance gave us bunraku, an amazing theatrical form. The handlers of the 3/4 size marionettes walk behind them, dressed in black, and so are officially invisible. Officially not seeing something is not the same as saying it isn’t there.
The Shunga of Japan with their exaggerated genitalia as ordinary art that could be given as presents to newly wed girls certainly suggests a fairly unusual open attitude to sex in Japan.
it was certainly interesting to learn of the equally unusual legal elements as far as the age of consent and rape are concerned and the cultural habits that have sustained them until recently.
The Shunga of Japan with their exaggerated genitalia as ordinary art that could be given as presents to newly wed girls certainly suggests a fairly unusual open attitude to sex in Japan.
it was certainly interesting to learn of the equally unusual legal elements as far as the age of consent and rape are concerned and the cultural habits that have sustained them until recently.
A lot of justice in Japan is held behind the scenes, not in open courts. Like many things, minor criminals are often held to account by real gangsters who do not permit unsanctioned crime.
Can’t imagine a visitor ever grasping the Japanese culture, so unlike most western cultures. Many elements are not observable from the outside. Concepts of obligation are built into the culture as are roles in society set by tradition.
A lot of justice in Japan is held behind the scenes, not in open courts. Like many things, minor criminals are often held to account by real gangsters who do not permit unsanctioned crime.
Can’t imagine a visitor ever grasping the Japanese culture, so unlike most western cultures. Many elements are not observable from the outside. Concepts of obligation are built into the culture as are roles in society set by tradition.
‘…western norms…’ ‘…international standards…’
Pffft! Japan’s social arrangements and laws are a matter for the Japanese and no one else.
And ‘luminaries such as …Christine Lagarde.’ Is the author trying to be funny? In 2016, a French court convicted her of criminal negligence.
‘…western norms…’ ‘…international standards…’
Pffft! Japan’s social arrangements and laws are a matter for the Japanese and no one else.
And ‘luminaries such as …Christine Lagarde.’ Is the author trying to be funny? In 2016, a French court convicted her of criminal negligence.
As at 15.33 BST.only four comments have avoided the Censor’s wrath.
So all in all a rather pointless exercise, as all debate is thus stifled .
As at 15.33 BST.only four comments have avoided the Censor’s wrath.
So all in all a rather pointless exercise, as all debate is thus stifled .
UnHerd don’t bother to put such articles into ‘special measures’ it just completely destroys the discussion (banter), so what is the point?
UnHerd don’t bother to put such articles into ‘special measures’ it just completely destroys the discussion (banter), so what is the point?
20.58 BST. The Censor has retired to bed!
Conversation over.
20.58 BST. The Censor has retired to bed!
Conversation over.
I saw an episode of Anthony Bourdain’s ‘Parts unknown’ in Japan, focusing on the sex industry. It was eye opener about how accepting and out in the open the culture is about anything sexual, particularly young women working as dominatrixes. They understood the need for that in a country where gender roles are so rigid. Understandably,the young women seemed to really enjoy the switch.
I saw an episode of Anthony Bourdain’s ‘Parts unknown’ in Japan, focusing on the sex industry. It was eye opener about how accepting and out in the open the culture is about anything sexual, particularly young women working as dominatrixes. They understood the need for that in a country where gender roles are so rigid. Understandably,the young women seemed to really enjoy the switch.