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Matt Hindman
Matt Hindman
1 year ago

I thought the government lying their asses off again to the public was the real scandal.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hindman

Ha! That would only be the case if a particular man with an orange complexion were still in office.

Jeff Hansen
Jeff Hansen
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hindman

Spot on. All the coverage is about there being a leak. If this were back in the days of the Pentagon Papers the Washington Post would be asking how the government will crack down on Daniel Ellsberg.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hindman

Ha! That would only be the case if a particular man with an orange complexion were still in office.

Jeff Hansen
Jeff Hansen
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hindman

Spot on. All the coverage is about there being a leak. If this were back in the days of the Pentagon Papers the Washington Post would be asking how the government will crack down on Daniel Ellsberg.

Matt Hindman
Matt Hindman
1 year ago

I thought the government lying their asses off again to the public was the real scandal.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago

It is astonishing that no one in the MSM is asking why the extent of the United States’ and Nato’s involvement in the proxy war in Ukraine is a secret in the first place. Citizens in a democracy have the right to know how much we are arming, training and planning the war for the Ukrainian military. At some point in the quest for clicks and likes journalists have forgotten their role in a democratic society and have become mouthpieces for the ruling elites. They learned nothing from Bush’s war and are making all the same mistakes with Biden’s war.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago

It is astonishing that no one in the MSM is asking why the extent of the United States’ and Nato’s involvement in the proxy war in Ukraine is a secret in the first place. Citizens in a democracy have the right to know how much we are arming, training and planning the war for the Ukrainian military. At some point in the quest for clicks and likes journalists have forgotten their role in a democratic society and have become mouthpieces for the ruling elites. They learned nothing from Bush’s war and are making all the same mistakes with Biden’s war.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

I fail to understand how someone was able to read a secret document on a plane.
That one action involves a multitude of security violations.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Classified is probably the lowest security classification, similar ro ‘Restricted’ in Britain. Even blank pages can be resricted in a publication and if lost can result in court martial. Training manuals are restricted, even drill manuals and how to fire a weapon.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Classified is probably the lowest security classification, similar ro ‘Restricted’ in Britain. Even blank pages can be resricted in a publication and if lost can result in court martial. Training manuals are restricted, even drill manuals and how to fire a weapon.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mark Phillips
William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

I fail to understand how someone was able to read a secret document on a plane.
That one action involves a multitude of security violations.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago

I can recall dealing with reports that were numbered and individually accounted for – actual security. Any document available electronically is subject to easy duplication and distribution. The ability to print from an electronic file was how the airman removed the document to his house.
The contents were opinions of people at the time but then revealed the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of intelligence sources. Those who actually know the real data can gain much from the leak. The leak also can reveal the effectiveness of Russian propaganda in influencing US assessments. Doubtful that the airman even understood how much might be revealed in the leak.
As fodder for the pro/con-Ukraine support forces, the leak has created even more trouble.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago

I can recall dealing with reports that were numbered and individually accounted for – actual security. Any document available electronically is subject to easy duplication and distribution. The ability to print from an electronic file was how the airman removed the document to his house.
The contents were opinions of people at the time but then revealed the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of intelligence sources. Those who actually know the real data can gain much from the leak. The leak also can reveal the effectiveness of Russian propaganda in influencing US assessments. Doubtful that the airman even understood how much might be revealed in the leak.
As fodder for the pro/con-Ukraine support forces, the leak has created even more trouble.

Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
1 year ago

The article points to a real problem
Overclassification creates an excessive administrative burden. This makes compliance a huge and pointless task, that is treated with contempt. Same happens in the corporate world..
And then, an actual TopSecret document was hnded to the public
Maybe there should be more classifications, such as
internal (do not publish to external people and do not publish online, but nothing very secret and you can brag about it with your friends)
secret
top secret (with audited logs of who read the document and why)
But then, the egos of so many Pentagon pper pushers would be bruised.

Last edited 1 year ago by Emmanuel MARTIN
Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

I am quite sure there are many more categories, and that ‘Top Secret’ is a misdirection/misnomer. Actually it is a fairly low category of secret which 1,250,000 Americans have access to. Really, were there any surprises revealed in the recent leak? It was ‘chicken-feed’.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

I am quite sure there are many more categories, and that ‘Top Secret’ is a misdirection/misnomer. Actually it is a fairly low category of secret which 1,250,000 Americans have access to. Really, were there any surprises revealed in the recent leak? It was ‘chicken-feed’.

Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
1 year ago

The article points to a real problem
Overclassification creates an excessive administrative burden. This makes compliance a huge and pointless task, that is treated with contempt. Same happens in the corporate world..
And then, an actual TopSecret document was hnded to the public
Maybe there should be more classifications, such as
internal (do not publish to external people and do not publish online, but nothing very secret and you can brag about it with your friends)
secret
top secret (with audited logs of who read the document and why)
But then, the egos of so many Pentagon pper pushers would be bruised.

Last edited 1 year ago by Emmanuel MARTIN
B Davis
B Davis
1 year ago

The problem, primarily, is ego….complicated and amplified by Bureaucracy.
The more important I am (must be!) the more Top Secret…Special Top Secret….and of course Dean Wormer’s Double Secret Probation Super Top Secret stuff I generate.
If I am Ultimately Important (so important that you can’t even think about me without getting the CIA involved) then everything I do and say is Super Duper Secret Classified….and no one can see it, not even me.
As a result, THREE things happen — all entirely predictable: 1) everyone stops caring about ‘secret stuff’ because everything is secret stuff meaning nothing is really secret stuff…. and 2) being able to demonstrate that I have access to secret stuff (which most probably is entirely mundane stuff) is the best & fastest way to demonstrate exactly how important/cool I really am. The third thing — the most dangerous thing: actual, real confidential material..material which can significantly impact our national security is dealt with in the same loosey-goosey, amateurish, adolescent manner as everything else because no one really cares until it’s too late.
In such a world, filled with an escalating & vicious mediocrity, what is truly important is easily lost (or easily exposed) as idiots with no real understanding act increasingly like cartoons. We see Young Jack and we expect to find a skateboard tucked beneath his arm…not 10,000 national secrets, casually shared in on-line gaming chat rooms.
Stupid, pathetic, and tragic all at once. You’d like to send him to the principal’s office for losing his homework once too often. Instead, we’ll probably, justly, send him to spend a decade or two in a Federal Pen for endangering the nation. Ridiculous and idiotic, all at once.

B Davis
B Davis
1 year ago

The problem, primarily, is ego….complicated and amplified by Bureaucracy.
The more important I am (must be!) the more Top Secret…Special Top Secret….and of course Dean Wormer’s Double Secret Probation Super Top Secret stuff I generate.
If I am Ultimately Important (so important that you can’t even think about me without getting the CIA involved) then everything I do and say is Super Duper Secret Classified….and no one can see it, not even me.
As a result, THREE things happen — all entirely predictable: 1) everyone stops caring about ‘secret stuff’ because everything is secret stuff meaning nothing is really secret stuff…. and 2) being able to demonstrate that I have access to secret stuff (which most probably is entirely mundane stuff) is the best & fastest way to demonstrate exactly how important/cool I really am. The third thing — the most dangerous thing: actual, real confidential material..material which can significantly impact our national security is dealt with in the same loosey-goosey, amateurish, adolescent manner as everything else because no one really cares until it’s too late.
In such a world, filled with an escalating & vicious mediocrity, what is truly important is easily lost (or easily exposed) as idiots with no real understanding act increasingly like cartoons. We see Young Jack and we expect to find a skateboard tucked beneath his arm…not 10,000 national secrets, casually shared in on-line gaming chat rooms.
Stupid, pathetic, and tragic all at once. You’d like to send him to the principal’s office for losing his homework once too often. Instead, we’ll probably, justly, send him to spend a decade or two in a Federal Pen for endangering the nation. Ridiculous and idiotic, all at once.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago

The real secrets of the depth of US involvement in Ukraine will never be leaked.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago

The real secrets of the depth of US involvement in Ukraine will never be leaked.

Emery Roe
Emery Roe
1 year ago

Just like Luttwak to be a breadth of fresh air.

Emery Roe
Emery Roe
1 year ago

Just like Luttwak to be a breadth of fresh air.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

There was a time, not so long ago, when the US used to electrocute spies. Perhaps they should do so again “to encourage the others*”.

(*V.)

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Ethel Rosenberg wasn’t even guilty. She merely declined to give evidence against her husband Julius: so they plugged her in too. Yes, the Prosecution ‘made an example of’ her alright.
So much for ‘liberty and justice for all’ and the Constitutional ban on ‘cruel and unusual punishment’. What would you expect of the warmongering barbarians who ran secret rendition and torture centres everywhere from Thailand to Poland and an offshore torture-gulag in Gitmo? And with ‘Honour Bound to Defend Freedum’ emblazoned the gate, like a USSA tribute to ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’.

Last edited 1 year ago by Peter Joy
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I am no fan of the US, but yes Ethel was guilty.
It just suited the left to reinvent her as a martyr

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

True enough, but someone HAD to die to keep up with the narrative, that ‘Commies’ had leaked the secrets of the BOMB! To the Soviet Union.

Like all good conspiracies some of that was true, however I also suspect that the CIA or whoever, surreptitiously made sure the Soviets really did get the Bomb. In fact it was axiomatic that they got it, otherwise the so called Cold War would hardly have been credible would it?

A rather similar story with the fabled Space Race, although really that was Adolph’s Sputnik in 1957.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I do hope that last bit about the gates of Gitmo is true

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I am no fan of the US, but yes Ethel was guilty.
It just suited the left to reinvent her as a martyr

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

True enough, but someone HAD to die to keep up with the narrative, that ‘Commies’ had leaked the secrets of the BOMB! To the Soviet Union.

Like all good conspiracies some of that was true, however I also suspect that the CIA or whoever, surreptitiously made sure the Soviets really did get the Bomb. In fact it was axiomatic that they got it, otherwise the so called Cold War would hardly have been credible would it?

A rather similar story with the fabled Space Race, although really that was Adolph’s Sputnik in 1957.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Joy

I do hope that last bit about the gates of Gitmo is true

Jeff Hansen
Jeff Hansen
1 year ago

Exactly. Daniel Ellsberg should have been electrocuted for exposing government lies in the Pentagon Papers. The United States isn’t killing nearly enough people in my lifetime.

Peter Joy
Peter Joy
1 year ago

Ethel Rosenberg wasn’t even guilty. She merely declined to give evidence against her husband Julius: so they plugged her in too. Yes, the Prosecution ‘made an example of’ her alright.
So much for ‘liberty and justice for all’ and the Constitutional ban on ‘cruel and unusual punishment’. What would you expect of the warmongering barbarians who ran secret rendition and torture centres everywhere from Thailand to Poland and an offshore torture-gulag in Gitmo? And with ‘Honour Bound to Defend Freedum’ emblazoned the gate, like a USSA tribute to ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’.

Last edited 1 year ago by Peter Joy
Jeff Hansen
Jeff Hansen
1 year ago

Exactly. Daniel Ellsberg should have been electrocuted for exposing government lies in the Pentagon Papers. The United States isn’t killing nearly enough people in my lifetime.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

There was a time, not so long ago, when the US used to electrocute spies. Perhaps they should do so again “to encourage the others*”.

(*V.)

patrick macaskie
patrick macaskie
1 year ago

I don’t buy the motive in this case. Surely he was part of the lunatic fringe that believes Putin is their friend in the war against the liberal left..

patrick macaskie
patrick macaskie
1 year ago

I don’t buy the motive in this case. Surely he was part of the lunatic fringe that believes Putin is their friend in the war against the liberal left..