Refugees are doomed to keep on moving (SAMEER AL-DOUMY/AFP via Getty Images)
As I arrive at the Silja Europa cruise ship, men are queueing outside a coach with suitcases, bin liners, and bags. Some are taking selfies, saying goodbye. I ask where they are going: one man knows the name of the destination, but none of us has any idea where it is.
Around 650 refugees are being taken off the ship; only 220 will remain. It has already outstayed its agreed welcome — until March 1 — in the North Holland village of Velsen-Noord. The local council has agreed that children currently attending a local school and people with an economic “bond” can stay until the end of May, but after that? Nobody knows.
This is the reality of temporarily housing asylum seekers and migrants on disused cruise ships or barges — a policy the UK is also pursuing. The Government plans to house hundreds of asylum seekers in Dorset, on the ship that was criticised for poor conditions when it was used as a detention centre in the Netherlands in 2006.
Cruise ships and other vessels have been employed at scale in the Netherlands since a refugee shelter crisis hit a year ago, as asylum seeker numbers headed to a five-year peak. There were devastating scenes at the Dutch registration centre of Ter Apel, where people were sleeping outside for days. One baby died in a “cold, draughty and dirty sports hall” overspill centre. The Netherlands’s Doctors Without Borders was deployed for the first time within the country itself.
Since then, national and local Dutch politicians have been tied up in a debate about who should house asylum seekers and where. The COA refugee settlement agency reports that the total number of asylum seekers being sheltered has more than doubled since 2017, to almost 52,500 this month. A new wave of refugees is expected this year.
Two cruise ships are currently being used to shelter refugees: the Silja Europa, and the MS Galaxy, housing 1,500 people at an industrial harbour in Amsterdam. In Nijmegen, there are two other ships with 250 Ukrainian refugees; in Arnhem, Ukrainian refugees have been sheltered on two small cruise ships — although they are permitted to work straight away. There are five boats housing refugees and asylum seekers in Rotterdam.
On board the Silja Europa, Abdul Aziz, a 40-year-old lawyer from Syria, is sitting in the middle of a deserted lounge area. He has been here for seven months and hopes to find work, a house, and then to bring over his wife and two sons. “The ship is good,” he says. “It is a good life, but there are problems because of many languages, many countries. I transfer to Nijmegen on April 24 — it’s difficult to leave the ship to a new place with four, maybe five people in the same room.”
With an eye to avoiding an appearance of luxury, the ship’s swimming pool, gym, casino and shops are closed, although one facility provides second-hand clothing and sanitary products three times a week. The disco, looking out onto the North Sea channel, is now a “silent space” for private prayer and weekly female-only fitness classes. There’s a children’s play area run by refugee volunteers and a restaurant offering three meals a day, beginning at 3.15am during Ramadan, when I visited. A medical area has a dedicated doctor and nurse, so as not to detract from local facilities, and there are offices for the IND immigration service and a refugee charity aid VluchtelingenWerk help area.
“We really don’t want to give the impression that we are living a sort of a luxurious life here,” says location manager Hanneke Niele, describing how the 32 nationalities and eight languages rub along. “People get three meals a day and a cabin. And if you compare it with some shelters, then it is luxurious. But we use it as an emergency shelter. Boredom is one of the biggest challenges. No matter how beautiful it is, no matter how much privacy people have, if they are not allowed to work and do not go to school, that is just a disaster.”
In other ways, too, the ship falls short. Taqwa, 24 and from Jordan, is grateful for the help but says it is tough not to be able to cook herself. “I think in the average prison you have more space,” says councillor and head of the liberal democratic D66 party Bas van Ruig about the cabins. “It is ultimately an emergency solution.” The other problem with temporary shelters is that they make an unsettled situation even more febrile, constantly breaking people’s connections and shifting them between schools and potential work.
“Look, we were faced with a difficult choice,” says Rutger Groot Wassink, who is deputy mayor of Amsterdam and in charge of asylum policy. “Do you think people should lie on the grass of Ter Apel or do you give them shelter on a boat? I’d rather they have shelter on a boat. But you can’t do this for long.”
For Wassink, the situation is highly political. “During the war in Syria, we sheltered about 60,000 people. But we have since cut back and also sent a message to the rest of the world: ‘Don’t come to the Netherlands.’ As a result, many reception locations have disappeared.”
Meanwhile, refugee organisations such as the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) advocate a return to well spread, small and permanent reception locations, which are far cheaper for the public purse. “Even in the mess last year in the Netherlands when people were sleeping outside the now infamous Ter Apel, it didn’t deter people,” says Andrea Vonkeman, office head. “People were still coming. I don’t think a causal relationship has ever been established with a good system as a pull factor and bad conditions as a deterrent.”
As the debacle at Ter Apel brewed last summer, the policy to house refugees on ships was announced and sparked huge opposition — particularly to the initial idea (quickly scrapped) that the vessels might be moored at sea. However, despite these concerns, there have been no notable incidents so far on board. Children go to school, the ships have been opened to journalists and locals, and there are bus services so refugees aren’t stuck at remote locations.
Standing at the harbourside in Velsen-Noord, even local politicians who vociferously opposed the ship thought twice about the hard departure date. “If we knew then that we would have so little nuisance, it would not have been a problem,” said Joost Bleekman, head of Velsen Lokaal. Still, agreements were made, and he doesn’t want the boat to stay.
Where will the refugees go next? While some municipalities have stepped up, perhaps motivated by compensation — Velsen-Noord was given more than €3 million — other regions have done nothing to help. A controversial bill to forcibly “spread” asylum seekers evenly throughout the country has been repeatedly postponed, and the protest party BoerBurgerBeweging — which is critical of the plan — has just won regional elections, potentially throwing a spanner in the works.
Without an adequate, permanent system in place, refugees are doomed to keep on moving. As Niele walks around the Silja Europa in her smart pink jacket, one man after another approaches her politely, anxious about where he is going to be shipped next, asking for her help. One thing’s for sure: this is no pleasure cruise.
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SubscribeChrist I feel sorry for the children of these simpletons. I get the feeling this is predominantly an American problem though as none of my mates in England, Aus or NZ go in for any of this nonsense, even those that were much more sceptical of the Covid vaccines wouldn’t dream of not immunisation of their kids against the likes of measles
I don’t pity these children because their mums are committed to their wellbeing. They prepare them wholesome meals and are taking full parental responsibility for their children. We can disagree on their stance towards vaccines but there are far worse parents in the world, (at least these mums are making what they feel is a considered/researched decision rather than just not being bothered).
Parents who pump out children for the state to raise. Parents who give in to every demand their child makes because they can’t be bothered with the drama and effort saying no brings with it. Parents who spoil their children because it assuages their guilt for being too busy with work. As well as the obvious bad parents who abuse and neglect their children. Parents who control every aspect of their children’s lives because they don’t trust them to make their own decisions, and in doing so, deny them of learning how to make good choices and grow up believing that it is acceptable to control others. There are many problems our society faces because of the consequences of rubbish parenting and a measles outbreak is just one of them.
So because there are worse parents in the world these idiots should get a free pass?
I’m sure all that “research” and wholesome meals will be appreciated when the kid is laying dead from measles or crippled by polio
1 confirmed death, sir. And we are not given the full gamut of information regarding confounding factors and comorbidities.
If you think that one death from a measles outbreak justifies the kind of response on here from most of the pro vaccine types, then heaven help us all once big pharma have managed to invent a vaccine for every other potential one in a million ailment that could strike us down at any moment. Vaccination for car accidents vaccination for Shark attack where does it end? I know it ends in the coffers of big pharma. Vax schedule looks like the guy out of Hellraiser. No thanks.
Then don’t get vaccinated. Freedom to choose is a good thing for everything, including abortion.
Not to mention Pollio.
We might be in for a return to the old SSPE wards. During the 1970’s I worked in a hospital in Queensland Australia with a number of wards full of patients with untreatable degenerative diseases such as advanced Parkinson’s, Schizophrenics with dementia and so forth. There were 2 wards no one wanted to work on- the Hydrocephalus ward- babies with enormous heads distorted by dammed up cerebro-spinal fluid, now a condition easily treated with neurosurgery. The other was the SSPE ward- children aged 7 to 10 years old who died slowly of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, a rare complication of measles. Rare [between 2 or 3 per thousand cases of measles], but enough to fill a ward. They may have had fun while they had measles, but sometimes it takes a dose of reality to appreciate the advances we have made in the last 50 years.
That’s a great dose of reality; thank you for sharing your experience.
According to encephalitis.info SSPE occurs in approx 2 per 100,000 naturally occurring cases of measles. That is 100x less common than you claim in your comment.
Well said.
The crunchy moms’ fervour on such matters has turned them into a potent political force, one that forms a critical part of Donald Trump’s Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement. They have managed to make the day-to-day business of motherhood — what their children are eating, what kind of medical care they receive, what products they use — a key political issue. And their Covid era-fuelled suspicion of the medical and scientific establishment has become a defining tendency on the Right. The alliance that formed between the New-Age hippies and the conspiracy theorist nut-jobs was always the weirdest thing about COVID for me,
Another species of emotionally incontinent American with mediocre intelligence.
Who do you mean: the subject or the writer? Ambiguous comments are easily misconstrued.
So true.
Sounds nice, but what could you get out of speaking to them ‘on their terms’? They do not believe in arguments, they already know everything, and they have the US government to tell them they are right. A sufficiently large number of dead children might change their minds. More likely they would find some conspiracy to blame for the result of their own actions.
You do realize that measles deaths were dropping like a rock (by over 2 orders of magnitude) prior to the introduction of the measles/MMR vaccine in the early 60s.
The issue is really simple. Many people who are pro-vaccine treat vaccines like a religious faith rather than examine the risks and benefits of individual vaccine and of the childhood vaccination schedule in general. To deny the existence of adverse events only serves to increase vaccine hesitancy. It is always best to be completely open and transparent.
On the chart I see, measles cases dropped by about one third from the 1950s to 1963 when the first measles vaccine was introduced. The chart shows cases, not deaths, so you might be right but it seems unlikely given the modest reduction in cases. There was a rapid drop in cases from around 1963 to the 1970s.
Need to go back earlier to see the real impact from improved diet and public health.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9150958/
Measles mortality fell markedly (>90%) from the 19th century to mid-20th century prior to introduction of measles vaccine or the widespread use of antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections
The drop since the measles vaccine has been very minor.
So measles deaths were dropping, and then once people became scared by a long disproved study and stopped taking the vaccine the deaths started to rise again?
It’s almost as if the vaccines were working!
One of the problems is Bobby Kennedy. He lies about the studies that have been done. He shifts positions to his own benefit. He is unopen and untransparent. Yet he holds the top job in the United States for public health.
Exactly.
“Formula was full of dangerous chemicals, as was sunscreen, as was most processed food available in the supermarket;”
Which of these is false?
Defenders of the status quo are bizarrely incurious about the rise in obesity, autism, allergies, autoimmune disorders and other chronic diseases.
It’s not just that people are now living long enough to accumulate ailments. Young people are increasingly unwell, mentally and physically.
I don’t know that vaccines are a prime culprit, but I do know that adjuvants are neurotoxic, studies on safety & efficacy are fraudulent, and links to autoimmune disorders are plausible.
It’s also true that most of the diseases of concern declined before the widespread availability of vaccines, thanks to improved sanitation and nutrition. And outbreaks can be caused by the vaccines themselves.
If you want to reduce vaccine hesitancy, insist on proper science (saline placebos, no unblinding, long term health monitoring).
Exactly.
Why bother? There is already lots and lots of proper science to prove that vaccines are good and helpful. People do not believe it because they do not want to believe it. Why would they believe in the next lot?
Not all vaccines are created equal. In particular, the safety and efficacy of adjuvant assisted “vaccines” is not only untested, but evidence has emerged in the last couple of decades that they harm the immune system’s ability to cope with novelty.
Adjuvants are used, because the clever immune system seems to understand that non-replicating pathogens do not require the same treatment as replicating pathogens. What adjuvants do is irritate the immune system to take notice of anything that is around – probably the reason there has been an explosion of allergy affliction in the cohorts who were vaccinated routinely as children with adjuvant-assisted “vaccines”.
No one has studied the effects of multiple doses of adjuvant on children’s health.
There is absolutely a need to do some proper science on the childhood vaccine schedule (almost all of which are adjuvant assisted). My guess is that a proper investigation will lead to the deprecation (or even ban) of adjuvant “vaccines”.
And polio?
Can you provides some sources? I suspect you haven’t actually read these vaccine studies.
Yes, it’s the usual scripted attack on people who choose another more effective way to deal with their immune system. See thehighwire.com for real science and discussion on these matters.
If you believe there’s nothing to see here, it’s because you haven’t looked into it.
The main thing those attacking vaccines claim is not that the science supports their attack, but that there hasn’t been enough science. But that’s a weak argument.
Not to forget declining sperm counts.
Perhaps that’s nature’s way of saying “Stop breeding, folks, your species has become undesirable”.
Which is worse, the chemicals on the suncream or skin cancer?
Maybe it is not a question of either/or but simply a question of avoiding intensive exposure to the sun. Suncream also blocks the body’s ability to develop Vitamin D.
100% while I entertain the idea that there are professional Astroturfers in operation where ever people like this put their propaganda, I am mystified by the true believers who don’t seem to see just how bad society has become in terms of health and mental health. When I look at my grandparents generation, I see none of what I see today. Rarely was anyone ever fat. Most people lived very long ages – far longer than the current crop in spite of the advances in so-called medication and science.
ironically, It’s these people who stand to benefit the most from the policies that Mr Kennedy intends to implement.
What people fail to recognize is that vaccines (cow in Latin) like mercury fillings are extremely toxic to some people, harmful to others and neutral to others. Today in 2025 and thanks to the lunacy of covid we have a number of other very effective nutritional and medical treatments. Get off our back and inject your pin hole pillow bodies all you want!
So, if you have children, you’d have no hesitation in enrolling them in one of your proposed blinded placebo-v-vaccine trials?
In all fairness, governments have created this issue. Whenever they push through a vaccine with attached legislation that protects them and the pharmaceutical companies from being sued. Tony Blair’s government did it with one of the animal related flu’s and, of course, Covid. Nothing destroys trust like it.
My children had all of their childhood vaccines, however I also home educated my children and every time I have to deal with schools for work, I’m reminded exactly why. I also grew up drinking raw milk (over 40 years ago) and it was delicious. It’s also not just “crunchy mums” that think processed food is bad, last year my news feed was full of articles where “experts” were declaring UPFs the worst thing you can put in your body. I appreciate that vaccine fear is dangerous, however throwing all these other attributes in as examples of nut jobs is equally harmful. UPF is devoid of nutrition and fibre. Schools have lost control of their wards and so have parents who are too busy to say no. Raw milk is increasingly difficult to get hold, so not even sure why it’s considered an issue. The author appears more hysterical than the crunchy mums!
The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
“This could be the moment for liberals to somehow reach out to the crunchy moms…”
And what are you going to say to them when you ‘reach out’? You have spent the whole article deliberately referring to them by a silly and childish name.
I think it might be more accurate to say that their ‘delusions’ were fed more by our recent actual experience of the Covid ‘vaccines’.
The inefficacy of these experimental products was self apparent to anyone who wasn’t themselves deluded by relentless propaganda. And never mind the alarming rate of adverse reactions also witnessed first or second hand by many, and evident in official statistics (eg Yellow Card data) for anyone who cares to look.
Sadly confidence in all forms of vaccination is now badly fractured, and it is this that Kennedy is feeding off.
Well it is not just a question of RFK feeding of this. The truth is that the US childhood vaccination schedule is way more aggressive than the UK or European one. For example, HepB vaccination for 1 day old babies who are obviously not IV drug users and don’t engage in unprotected sex. The issue for vaccine products is that the vast majority have not been properly tested against true placebo controls (as opposed to adjuvants without the vaccine which doesn’t exclude side effects from the adjuvants!). There are certainly issues with the adjuvants used that needs to be investigated and appropriate changes made if necessary (e.g. in the use of aluminum adjuvants). Further, it is absolutely essential to have true informed consent. That doesn’t mean your family doctor pushing a one street narrative, but presenting parents with a proper description of the risks and benefits.
It is also worth recalling than deaths from measles in the US was already falling like a rock before the MMR vaccine was introduced in the early 60s, presumably because of improved nutrition. Now I’m not saying that people shouldn’t get an MMR shot and I’ve had several as an adult, although not as a child since I had measles and mumps, but not Rubella. as an adult during medical residency (at UCLHS), I got the Rubella shot and woke up 3 weeks later with a massively enlarged lymph node in the neck and an enlarged spleen upon examination. An enlarge lymph node in the neck is considered a lymphoma unless proven otherwise (at least it was in the UK at the time) and it was removed for biopsy the next day. 10 days later got the path report which simply said non-specific inflammation. Only then did I recall being vaccinated for Rubella 3 weeks prior. Lesson learned. No matter how safe a product may be, there are always adverse reactions, even if extremely rare, and one should be made aware of these. Hd I been told that enlarged lymph nodes were a possible sequelae of Rubella vaccination I would have avpoided the worry and the biopsy.
Can confirm: the cord had barely been cut when we were asked about the Day One HepB vaccine. When were given a print out of the standard vaccine schedule, the first appointment included at least 6 vaccine administrations (ie, MMR counts as 1 vaccine administration, not 3). We elected to have no more than 2 vaccine administrations per appointment (and therefore have more appointments), and baby still ran a mild fever and was visibly fatigued afterward.
Of course everyone understands that one day old babies are not intravenous drug users or gay men. But they have just been born in a bloody process that may have given them HepB from a mother who may have the disease undetected. That’s the reason for it.
It’s always good to ask questions. But there are rarely easy answers. These are judgment calls that must be made with limited information. Yet both sides of the debate make claims stronger than the evidence supports.
Ludicrous. Most mothers at risk would be easy to spot. The rest is a gravy train with potentially horrendous side effects for the unlucky.
“Most mothers at risk would be easy to spot”. Oh wise one, can you tell us what a woman with undiagnosed Hep B looks like?
Ah, vaccines, we are almost into religion territory when it come to vaccines.
I cannot make up my mind about vaccines for the following reasons:
A few important points need to examined before engaging in the discussion:
1) no vaccine has ever been gold standard tested: is a vaccinated population healthier than a non vaccinated one??? (if you ask this question to an expert on vaccines you get no answer…I have tried a few times) (and then there are the annoying studies such as The Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Oral Polio Vaccine Among Young Infants in an Urban African Community: A Natural ExperimentMogensen, Søren Wengel et al.eBioMedicine, Volume 17, 192 – 198)
2) every vaccine has its own story and reason: every vaccine should be studied individually for its benefits for a population. Talking about vaccins as one way of doing medicine is very reductionist.
3) then there is this article that shows that many ‘infectious illnesses issues ‘were already improving vastly before modern medecine has come to the table https://blog.rootsofprogress.org/draining-the-swamp
4) how effectif are vaccines??? is there real good data? Statisticians have looked for it and the data is at the most unsure.. Check the work of Pierre Chaillot on data relating to covid and vaccines in general. https://www.decitre.fr/livres/covid-19-ce-que-revelent-les-chiffres-officiels-9782810011520.html. (BTW the profits of his books go to charities of people have ‘covid’ related issues…)
Note1: as a vet I have seen vaccines seemingly working and failing more or less 50/50… (my impression, I did not keep data) Usually good hygiene and health seemed at least as effective
Note 2: covid vaccines were not vaccines: they were an experiment of a new type of medicines… hence we cannot use the covid arguments against the general question of vaccines.
Note 3: I use vaccines every day because that is what my clients want: In EBM the preference and individual sensititivies of the patient (in my case owner) are 1/3rd part of the decision making. (see Sacket et all on EBM ; what it is and what it is not: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8555924/. )
I wish I could just be confident about what is the general consensus on vaccines, there is just too much lack of good data creating an environment of uncertainty
Many diseases that used to be common have all but been eradicated in first world countries (at least they had before imbeciles stopped vaccinating their kids), therefore I’d say the immunisations have been rather successful wouldn’t you?
What extra proof do you require?
A good, balanced comment.
I’ll just pick up on this bit: “hence we cannot use the covid arguments against the general question of vaccines.”
True, there are likely to be issues specific to mRNA.
But COVID did teach us (or remind us) something about Big Pharma: they put profits before people, even when children are concerned.
There was no possible justification for giving novel medical treatments to people who weren’t at risk from COVID.
Good points. Trouble is, there’s no way to get better data. The ethics rules against experimenting on humans prevent the kind of experiments that would be most useful. We have to work with the data we have, and it leaves many questions open.
Once upon a time we all had (and survived) measles, mumps, chicken pox, and tonsillectomies. We didn’t have ADHD, autism, and obesity.
We did not all survive – some children died of rare complications (when all children get a disease even rare complications happen quite a lot). See the post by sal b dyer above
The media does not shed a tear for the vaccine injured but we’re supposed to go hysterical for a measles death we know little about?
You certainly did have ADHD and Autism, they were simply less diagnosed or called other things. Now there is an argument that some children are now over diagnosed with the conditions whereby simply personality quirks are given a label (especially in America where it’s in the hospitals interests to hand out as many drugs as possible) but that is a seperate issue.
Obesity is unrelated
I am 90 years old. Eighty years ago I was an unruly brat in primary school in wartime London who also swore a lot, but I matured, passed scholarships, entered medical school at eighteen, and became a general surgeon with double Fellowships. Now I know that I had “ADHD” and a touch of Tourette’s.
I do wonder about the current scare over measles.
When I was a growing up if one child had the measles all the neighbourhood children were sent to play with them. We had a measles party so we would all catch it at the same time.
Now it’s treated as a deadly disease and the media reports seem to exaggerate the dangers.
O dear I see comments on this essay are in “special measures”, which normally means a three hour wait before the Censor deigns the comment worthy of publication or otherwise.
How very disappointing.
There is evidence linking vaccines to autism. It is just that there is also evidence, and possibly more, of no link.
However charts of measles deaths clearly show that deaths dropped enormously before the vaccine and very little afterwards so maybe vaccine not that effective. And all vaccines have side effects, just read the safety leaflet for each vaccine.
https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccines#otherquestionsyoumighthave
There is no evidence, good evidence at least, linking vaccines to autism that I have seen. Bobby Kennedy has cited studies to support his view that vaccines cause autism, but those studies are flawed.
https://merylnass.com/2011/05/11/did-vaccines-cause-autism-us-government/
The US Government has paid for 83 children who became autistic after vaccination
and often ‘disagreeable’ research is hidden:
https://merylnass.com/2024/11/21/there-has-long-been-damning-evidence-of-how-cdc-covered-up-vaccine-induced-autism-black-male-toddlers-who-received-the-mmr-at-a-young-age-were-at-3-4-times-the-risk-of-autism-as-other-children/
Ah, the “flawed”falacy. Finding a flaw in a study that otherwise demontrates a clear signal, does not necessarily mean the signal isn’t real, it often just means just means the study has flaws or inperfections. This is one if the great strawman approaches of the pharma industrial complex when its horrendous outcomes are identified by clinicians / organisations paying attention. They claim that unless it’s a large randomised control trial, it isn’t science and should therefore be ignored. And guess who the only entities wealthy enough to carry out $20m+ large RCTs are? It’s slight of hand. Are you suggesting the flaws in eg Mawson study 2025 (Vaccination and Neurodevelopmental Disorders: A Study
of Nine-Year-Old Children Enrolled in Medicaid) completely negate the conclusion that vaccinated vs unvaccinated children have worse overall neurodevelopmental health outcomes? Show me where the conclusion MUST be entirely rejected based on its “flaws”? At worst the precision of the data may be off, but the overall effect and direction of the signal is very clear and is obviously worthy of funding and further study by government given the pathologies observed.
the measles outbreaks are nothing new, and also are happening across the world so putting the blame on RFK fall flat.
Measles, polio and whooping cough are serious childhood diseases that can and do kill or leave children disabled. I am thankful that my children were vaccinated in the 1970s against them. We forget about smallpox, diphtheria and tetanus vaccines which have saved thousands of lives in Britain. What is different today is the age at which babies are vaccinated and the number of vaccines they get given in one go. I would suggest that these modern mums check it all out carefully and vaccinate only for the real killers which even the lowly measles CAN be. I wouldn’t wish any pregnant Mum to come into contact unwittingly with German Measles either, yet it is so insignificant in children.
I remain very sceptical about the COVID vaccine because of its side effects and no longer receive it BUT it is completely different in its make-up to the childhood vaccines.
RFk’s aversion to vaccination is badly misplaced. Not all vaccines are equally effective and have varying side effects, but most are very safe and very effective (our COVID experience notwithstanding). The MMR vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella is one of the effective ones. Having grown up before vaccination for measles was available, I had “measles” at least twice as a small child. Rubeola is the most dangerous among rubella, rubeola (actual measles), and roseola – three distinct diseases commonly called “measles”. I know that one of the times was “German measles” (rubella). I was hospitalized for over two weeks with encephalitis when I was five – possibly as a result of one of my measles episodes; however, I was blessed to have suffered no permanent ill effects.
Rubella and measles (rubeola) are both preventable, along with mumps, by vaccination – which has virtually eliminated them in the U.S. There are many things that can be done to improve the health of Americans. Some of RFK’s initiatives warrant actual study (as opposed to the anecdotal), but many of them are spurious, and some of them are just plain stupid. On balance, RFK is a flake and Trump will, or at least should, rue the day he made the political deal and appointed him to his current position.
If you only ‘believe’ this because it’s what you feel, then I would urge you to start doing some real research. A nice place to start would be the grueling and indomitable “The Real Anthony Fauci”. If you even dared to read this you should immediately become at least cynical about you beliefs, if not repentant and traumatised.
However, the reality is that most people would never be bothered reading such along and arduous book in the pursuit of even just one truth (that they are keen to avoid), lest that one pesky FACT trigger a tsnuami so large that it bears impossible to ignore and wipe away for good.
Spoiler alert: This book is so replete with so many inconvenient, oft untold facts about REAL people and their ruined lives; past, present and future, that it is the Tsunami you cannot forget.
Did you know that this withering prosecution of the countless crimes against society/humanity that Fauci et al committed is a best seller on Amazon? Still, almost 4 years later, a best-seller AND not one injunction or lawsuit to this day! Got to make you wonder, huh? Time to wake up!
For a very thorough and informative rundown on measles, mumps, and rubella and the associated (MMR) vaccine, see the website of the “The Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia [which] provides complete, up-to-date and reliable information about vaccines across the lifespan.” https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccines#otherquestionsyoumighthave
That is interesting. Unfortunately, Paul Offit is too strident with his advocacy, and fails to even acknowledge the valid reasons for concern about vaccines. That polarization is unfortunate.
The leftists hate motherhood and this is not a bug, this is a feature. That is why mothers ceased to trust vaccines that are approved by mostly leftist MSM. COVID was only the trigger
“for every thorny parenting dilemma, they have an answer”
Just like leftists do – blame racism, trust their experts.
I had to Google “crunchy moms” – the reference is to homemade granola apparently – and they seem to believe in a mixture of sensible things like healthy eating, and daft things like wellness and new age style claptrap. Doubtless there is a continuum.
But compared to some of the daftness of mainstream lifestyles, it might not be such a bad thing if more people leaned a bit more “crunchy”.
Am I being too callous in thinking that it is the seriousness of the disease which justifies vaccination, and where the disease is not especially serious we should perhaps leave it to the human immune system.
This is what happened in the past. If kids locally got mumps, measles, chicken pox or German measles, all the other kids got sent round to see them – by their mums. This was normal practice.
I’ll say it again: vaccination has become the nuclear power of the right. Staying away from known good technologies purely to mark tribal identification is why we willl lose to China.
Lucky for many of ‘us’, ‘we’ don’t fall into your smear. In fact, at the time we refused the first jab, I was one of the many who despised Trump and his administration and feared where the world was headed. Boy have things changed..
I very much doubt Kennedy’s version of his experience of measles. Measles carries a serious risk of blindness if children are not kept in a darkened room well away from any light.
Perhaps he’s thinking of chicken pox.
As a genealogist, I’ve read tens of thousands of public records and visited countless cemeteries doing research for families interested in their ancestry. Most of those records and graves are from the pre-vaccine era. In those centuries childhood mortality was a ubiquitous scourge affecting nearly all families, and most of it derived from infectious diseases: measles, diphtheria, pertussis, mumps, tetanus, polio, etc. I cannot count how many nuclear families I have encountered records of that reflect, not only the lost of one of their children to disease, but the loss of three or four or more. One learns early in genealogy research that the abbreviation “D.Y” beside a name in a family tree stands for “died young”.
The best case for vaccination against childhood disease is historical. Those who believe these to be benign natural experiences of some halcyon days of yore are simply ignorant fools.
Where are the fathers in this? You know, the men,
Buzzfeed and The Atlantic? OMG Freddy, what the actual f*ck?
This is some of the most unhinged, divisive and detrimental CRAP I have ever read in my time subscribed to Unherd.
I left the Guardian in dismay and disgust – I felt dirty and betrayed. My ‘tote bag’ had transitioned twice over those few painful years; first, it was turned inside out from shame; second, it was relegated to filthy jobs around the garden, never to be seen in public again.
I thought Unherd was the salvation. Soon after discovering it, I eagerly subscribed in order to show my support – to be part of the solution.
And now this?
I realise that there is a slim chance this ‘journalist’ is possibly a true believer and even perhaps another who has fallen in her mind’s battle with TDS (Trump derangement Syndrome). In that scenario, I can feel a tiny bit of pity for her, while I feel no-such for the editorial staff at Unherd.
However, the likelihood that she is yet another feeder from the organ of statehood just creaming off the top, AT MY EXPENSE, is truly horrifying.
Well, I am a crunchy dad who is doing his darnedest not to let the bastards keep me down, so I won’t dissect the author for Pyrrhic pleasure.
I am sitting this one out. Unherd and Unsubscribed.
Reading the comments here just makes me feel sad for humanity and annoyed by the sophistication of current troll armies these days thanks to chat gpt. Well, to all of those below who are genuinely all in on vaccines and given up on healthy living and a strong natural immune system, enjoy your wine, beer, sugar, meds and endless treatments.
Signed, a guy who barely gets a head cold in every two years, feels happy and wishes he wasn’t paying for the rest of you in the health system!
Wow, what a condescending view of these mothers and their concerns. Ask yourself why are you a vaccine zealot showing no proof of any studies on autism? There are a number of treatments, ironically including chicken soup and loving care that you, this pharma crazed author, obviously have negated.
Why have all of the likes and dislikes on comments reset? Glitch in the Matrix?