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Walter Egon
Walter Egon
1 year ago

*weary sigh*

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Walter Egon

Heh!

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Walter Egon

Heh!

Walter Egon
Walter Egon
1 year ago

*weary sigh*

Anthony Roe
Anthony Roe
1 year ago

Have you ever considered doing some productive work? You could collect litter and sweep the local roadsides.

Anthony Roe
Anthony Roe
1 year ago

Have you ever considered doing some productive work? You could collect litter and sweep the local roadsides.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago

“[Shopping] is also the only activity available to you if it’s 3am and you’re feeding a newborn and you don’t have the mental capacity for anything more than scrolling.”
Bosh. Women were up at night with babies long before “scrolling” existed. I remember watching “South Pacific” on Turner Classics every night for two weeks with my third child. Then they changed the schedule, and we watched “Oklahoma.” I learned all the songs, and my son still likes musicals.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Turner Classics and AMC sustained me through two infants, as did Nick at Nite. Shopping? Ugh. I’ve lived in Florida for over two years and still haven’t bought a bathing suit. And I’m a size 5.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago

C-SPAN came on at 5:00 a.m. with an early preview of upcoming government. When we got a VCR – 5th baby? – it was like a miracle.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Oh, you said it! I had horrible hives for nearly 15 months due to lack of sleep when my youngest was born. But five babies! You EARNED that VCR!

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago

Ten. We got a DVD player eventually.

L Walker
L Walker
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

That’s quite a hobby you got there, Cynthia.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago
Reply to  L Walker

Keeps me off the streets and out of the bars.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago
Reply to  L Walker

Keeps me off the streets and out of the bars.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Wow… salut! Wish I could have had my preferred number but like many of my generation I waited too long…

L Walker
L Walker
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

That’s quite a hobby you got there, Cynthia.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Wow… salut! Wish I could have had my preferred number but like many of my generation I waited too long…

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago

Ten. We got a DVD player eventually.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Oh, you said it! I had horrible hives for nearly 15 months due to lack of sleep when my youngest was born. But five babies! You EARNED that VCR!

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago

C-SPAN came on at 5:00 a.m. with an early preview of upcoming government. When we got a VCR – 5th baby? – it was like a miracle.

miss pink
miss pink
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Only if you think feeding your child is not an activity worthy of consideration. Not sure if this entire article is satire or not??

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Turner Classics and AMC sustained me through two infants, as did Nick at Nite. Shopping? Ugh. I’ve lived in Florida for over two years and still haven’t bought a bathing suit. And I’m a size 5.

miss pink
miss pink
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Only if you think feeding your child is not an activity worthy of consideration. Not sure if this entire article is satire or not??

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago

“[Shopping] is also the only activity available to you if it’s 3am and you’re feeding a newborn and you don’t have the mental capacity for anything more than scrolling.”
Bosh. Women were up at night with babies long before “scrolling” existed. I remember watching “South Pacific” on Turner Classics every night for two weeks with my third child. Then they changed the schedule, and we watched “Oklahoma.” I learned all the songs, and my son still likes musicals.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago

“The challenge of being in the moment with even the most delightful baby has no policy-based solution. It’s not specific to American capitalism. It is something experienced by women — yes and some men, but, you know, you know — of all nationalities and demographics. “

There is one policy based solution that the United States remains incapable of adopting and that is parental leave of some sort. But why examine these sorts of ideas that might make a difference when you can spend your time droning on about ‘whiteness’ and fat people?

Give me strength!

Oh, and apart from the breast feeding, I shared the care of our infants with my wife, and I’m terribly white and male and hetero and not even that fat.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

How would parental leave policies change the reality of infant care? Taking care of a baby is delightful, exhausting, boring, exasperating, disgusting, frightening … in various combinations and sequences.
I understood Ms. Bovy’s point to be that “momfluencers” present only the most appealing aspects (and fashion accessories), giving the impression that if a mother experiences anything but joy, there is something wrong with her.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Well, it would certainly make the early months a lot less arduous, especially for the mother

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

In some cases, that is certainly true.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

In some cases, that is certainly true.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Cynthia W.

Well, it would certainly make the early months a lot less arduous, especially for the mother

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Babies need crucial bonding time with their mothers for the first 3 years. Parental leave does not help with that.

Cynthia W.
Cynthia W.
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

How would parental leave policies change the reality of infant care? Taking care of a baby is delightful, exhausting, boring, exasperating, disgusting, frightening … in various combinations and sequences.
I understood Ms. Bovy’s point to be that “momfluencers” present only the most appealing aspects (and fashion accessories), giving the impression that if a mother experiences anything but joy, there is something wrong with her.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Babies need crucial bonding time with their mothers for the first 3 years. Parental leave does not help with that.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago

“The challenge of being in the moment with even the most delightful baby has no policy-based solution. It’s not specific to American capitalism. It is something experienced by women — yes and some men, but, you know, you know — of all nationalities and demographics. “

There is one policy based solution that the United States remains incapable of adopting and that is parental leave of some sort. But why examine these sorts of ideas that might make a difference when you can spend your time droning on about ‘whiteness’ and fat people?

Give me strength!

Oh, and apart from the breast feeding, I shared the care of our infants with my wife, and I’m terribly white and male and hetero and not even that fat.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

No doubt I will soon join Joe Biden in the land of dribbling senility, but before I do I wll live through a period of watching the world go madder and madder.
In other news, or so I read, a chap in Missouri shot and killed a young kid who knocked on his front door. In the worst days of Olde England it was not customary to answer the front door waving your best weapon, and it was considered polite to ask “What do you want?” before killing someone.
Gawd ‘elp you all!
Edit: I misead the report. The boy wasn’t killed. Presumably the old fool in question couldn’t even shoot straight.

Last edited 1 year ago by polidori redux
Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Still believing the media narrative eh? Here’s a tip…when they point out the races involved they are spinning a pov and it might be best to wait for more details.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Kat L

Man shoots boy on doorstep in broad daylight. What kind of batshit crazy madhouse of a country are you living in?
Okay, give me your “narrative”.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Kat L

Man shoots boy on doorstep in broad daylight. What kind of batshit crazy madhouse of a country are you living in?
Okay, give me your “narrative”.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Still believing the media narrative eh? Here’s a tip…when they point out the races involved they are spinning a pov and it might be best to wait for more details.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

No doubt I will soon join Joe Biden in the land of dribbling senility, but before I do I wll live through a period of watching the world go madder and madder.
In other news, or so I read, a chap in Missouri shot and killed a young kid who knocked on his front door. In the worst days of Olde England it was not customary to answer the front door waving your best weapon, and it was considered polite to ask “What do you want?” before killing someone.
Gawd ‘elp you all!
Edit: I misead the report. The boy wasn’t killed. Presumably the old fool in question couldn’t even shoot straight.

Last edited 1 year ago by polidori redux
Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago

Surely making motherhood attractive to young women is exactly what is needed at a time when many women are unwittingly putting off marriage and having children until it is too late for them biologically.
And I’m not sure what is wrong about being white, slim, attractive and having a wealthy husband and a bunch of happy kids. It seems a perfectly reasonable thing to aspire to.

woman female
woman female
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

It’s not unwittingly, circumstance of today’s social & economic reality, everything listed in the last part including ascribing status to having white skin may be aspirational or sold as such but its out of reach for the majority.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  woman female

I think it is done unwittingly. Women have about ten years – 20 to 30 – to get hitched and start having kids. Too many of them (and the men they should be marrying) put it off until it is too late.
We should of course use policies to make it easier to buy a home and start a family.

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt M
Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

Very true but until it becomes discouraged to rack up a high body count, pursue a fab career and then seek a high status man while discarding decent ones willing to commit, the issue won’t be solved anytime soon I’m afraid.

woman female
woman female
1 year ago
Reply to  Kat L

What’s needed is a redrawing and reframing of the conversation, the circumstances as you described them sound wonderful if you can get it! issue is that most are not able too.

woman female
woman female
1 year ago
Reply to  Kat L

What’s needed is a redrawing and reframing of the conversation, the circumstances as you described them sound wonderful if you can get it! issue is that most are not able too.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

Very true but until it becomes discouraged to rack up a high body count, pursue a fab career and then seek a high status man while discarding decent ones willing to commit, the issue won’t be solved anytime soon I’m afraid.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  woman female

I think it is done unwittingly. Women have about ten years – 20 to 30 – to get hitched and start having kids. Too many of them (and the men they should be marrying) put it off until it is too late.
We should of course use policies to make it easier to buy a home and start a family.

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt M
woman female
woman female
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

It’s not unwittingly, circumstance of today’s social & economic reality, everything listed in the last part including ascribing status to having white skin may be aspirational or sold as such but its out of reach for the majority.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago

Surely making motherhood attractive to young women is exactly what is needed at a time when many women are unwittingly putting off marriage and having children until it is too late for them biologically.
And I’m not sure what is wrong about being white, slim, attractive and having a wealthy husband and a bunch of happy kids. It seems a perfectly reasonable thing to aspire to.

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
1 year ago

Fascinating stuff

woman female
woman female
1 year ago

Great piece as always I want to be mother one-day reminds me to not get attached to a specific image of motherhood & maintain avenues of personal fulfillment outside of projecting a image even to myself