Last year, my husband and I got into a curiously heated debate, along with two other couples, about whether or not it is manly to eat fruit. A surprising consensus emerged among the men, that fruit was categorically feminine. The argument then turned to the question of whether certain fruits could cross the line into manly territory. To paraphrase T.S. Eliot, a man might dare to eat a peach and remain secure in his masculinity; a banana, on the other hand, suggests entirely too much.
The genesis of this conflict is hard to explain, but the passions it inflamed were real. For all our avowed belief in the equality of the sexes, we still can’t help but assign gendered valences to even our most mundane behaviours and experiences, associations which can sometimes abruptly reverse polarity. Pink was once the boldest and most masculine of colours, until it suddenly wasn’t. Computer coding was the purview of female “calculators”, until it was overtaken in the Eighties by hungry hordes of Tech Bros.
And then there’s yoga: an athletic and spiritual practice originating among Indian men as early as the 10th century, and exported to the West by male gurus, beginning in the Twenties. One hundred years later, how things have changed. The gurus are gone — in some cases defenestrated by the #MeToo movement — and the entire enterprise has been fully subsumed by the same willowy-white-woman-wellness industrial complex that gave us Soul Cycle, Goop cleanses, and 500 different kinds of barre workouts. So complete is yoga’s feminine positionality in the West’s collective consciousness that it is now apparently necessary for niche varieties to crop up just for men.
So we have Broga, “a yoga class geared for men (where it’s okay if you can’t touch your toes)”. And among male professional athletes, per a recent New York Times write-up, we have “Joga”, a portmanteau of “yoga” and “jocks”, which suggests that something new, exotic and very, very manly is happening here. The JogaWorld website concurs: “Similar to Yoga, Joga involves physical postures, breathing, and relaxation techniques. However, where the goal of Yoga is to become more flexible and spiritually aware, Joga’s aim is to enhance performance, improve concentration, and reduce recovery time within the context of an athletic environment.”
That said, if there’s a difference between improving flexibility and awareness via yoga and enhancing performance and concentration with JOGA, it’s not readily apparent (even if, as I did, you have watched the better part of a 56-minute explanatory YouTube video titled, “How is Joga REALLY Different?”) Much like goat yoga, power yoga, hot yoga and the briefly trendy “vino vinyasa” classes that involved sipping chardonnay between poses, Joga is really just yoga by another name, and marketed to a particular audience. Nevertheless, one gets the sense that we should not tell the men as much, lest we spook them off the mat.
The gender trajectory of yoga is a complicated one, a winding journey through a decades-long miasma of gender stereotypes, fitness fads and shifting, sex-specific beauty standards about what constitutes an ideal physique. Jane Fonda, Gwyneth Paltrow and the ubiquity of the phrase “long and lean” in fitness marketing certainly played their part here. But so too has the Marvel Cinematic Universe — and before that, Fight Club — for which the male actors cast as superheroes adopt a much-vaunted and highly publicised fitness regimen that transforms them from normal-looking human beings into walking sides of beef.
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SubscribeEvery few weeks Kat seems to convince the editors to have her write another article about her hobby. But the pickings are getting a bit slim.
It might be a time for Kat to do some research and write about something worth reading on the topic.
“The traditional yoga poses I teach – many of which haven’t changed for centuries – were designed for men.”
There is no evidence that yoga poses (asanas) go back centuries. We can assume people have exercised for centuries and there is evidence that people practised formal meditation whilst sitting, standing, lying down and walking. But there is no evidence to support the idea that Indians practised “yoga postures” for centuries. Also the notion that asanas in and of themselves constitute a spiritual practice is without scriptural support.
There is evidence that modern yoga practice can be dated back to 1930s Mysore, and that the postures then were designed with pre pubescent Brahmin boys in mind. Not men.
What we can also say is that the main source of the postures was the British Army training manual, which itself owed much to Swedish Ling Gymnastics. Which was founded in the early 1800s.
With this in mind Kat might like to swap her Sanskrit prayer at the beginning of class for the first verse of “God save the King.” It would be more authentic.
An accurate history of modern yoga would be interesting. Whinging that men aren’t being criticised, isn’t.
…well there all that ancient kama sutra stuff which looks the people had to do are fair bit of stretching.
have you had your sore treated?
It’s time you got banned, Nicky.
It’s time you people got banned, Clare.
It’s time you people got banned, Clare.
It’s time you got banned, Nicky.
Hilarious burn. I disagree and joined Unherd specifically to read her, but I laughed out loud!
Nevertheless, may she be happy, may she be well, may she be free from all suffering, eh?
Yoga has always been a deeply linked regimen to Hindu spiritual celibacy. All saints and sadhus practiced it as did any householder going on to the ” vanaprastha” stage of life – essentially middle age when celibacy was to be attained.
It was also practiced by warriors to establish control over physical desires.
It certainly doesn’t arise from Swedish exercises.
…well there all that ancient kama sutra stuff which looks the people had to do are fair bit of stretching.
have you had your sore treated?
Hilarious burn. I disagree and joined Unherd specifically to read her, but I laughed out loud!
Nevertheless, may she be happy, may she be well, may she be free from all suffering, eh?
Yoga has always been a deeply linked regimen to Hindu spiritual celibacy. All saints and sadhus practiced it as did any householder going on to the ” vanaprastha” stage of life – essentially middle age when celibacy was to be attained.
It was also practiced by warriors to establish control over physical desires.
It certainly doesn’t arise from Swedish exercises.
Every few weeks Kat seems to convince the editors to have her write another article about her hobby. But the pickings are getting a bit slim.
It might be a time for Kat to do some research and write about something worth reading on the topic.
“The traditional yoga poses I teach – many of which haven’t changed for centuries – were designed for men.”
There is no evidence that yoga poses (asanas) go back centuries. We can assume people have exercised for centuries and there is evidence that people practised formal meditation whilst sitting, standing, lying down and walking. But there is no evidence to support the idea that Indians practised “yoga postures” for centuries. Also the notion that asanas in and of themselves constitute a spiritual practice is without scriptural support.
There is evidence that modern yoga practice can be dated back to 1930s Mysore, and that the postures then were designed with pre pubescent Brahmin boys in mind. Not men.
What we can also say is that the main source of the postures was the British Army training manual, which itself owed much to Swedish Ling Gymnastics. Which was founded in the early 1800s.
With this in mind Kat might like to swap her Sanskrit prayer at the beginning of class for the first verse of “God save the King.” It would be more authentic.
An accurate history of modern yoga would be interesting. Whinging that men aren’t being criticised, isn’t.
I usually enjoy Kat’s articles, but the first paragraph is just b0ll0cks of the highest order.
Dunno, Pat, I don’t do fruit either. Or, at least, only when processed into actual food. Apple (crumble), pear (belle Helene), strawberry (jam), banana (.. offee pie), raspberry (trifle), pineapple (upside down pudding).
Fair enough, Dougie, but I’d wager that’s a matter of personal taste rather than perception that the fruits are inherently masculine/feminine (unless there’s a level of irony I’m missing here!).
Methinks our Dougie was jesting.
Methinks our Dougie was jesting.
I’ve heard people (well, idiots) say that eating dessert isn’t masculine
I eat two or three bananas every day for the electrolytes.
Fair enough, Dougie, but I’d wager that’s a matter of personal taste rather than perception that the fruits are inherently masculine/feminine (unless there’s a level of irony I’m missing here!).
I’ve heard people (well, idiots) say that eating dessert isn’t masculine
I eat two or three bananas every day for the electrolytes.
Banana eating can be a bit tricky for both sexes.
I slice mine up. What is the symbolism there I wonder? Or perhaps otherwise they won’t fit in the dessert bowl.
I slice mine up. What is the symbolism there I wonder? Or perhaps otherwise they won’t fit in the dessert bowl.
Dunno, Pat, I don’t do fruit either. Or, at least, only when processed into actual food. Apple (crumble), pear (belle Helene), strawberry (jam), banana (.. offee pie), raspberry (trifle), pineapple (upside down pudding).
Banana eating can be a bit tricky for both sexes.
I usually enjoy Kat’s articles, but the first paragraph is just b0ll0cks of the highest order.
“Computer coding was the purview of female ‘calculators’, until it was overtaken in the Eighties by hungry hordes of Tech Bros”
This is utter nonsense. I get it than here in 2023 you can pretty much make up your history if it sounds good politically, but programming has always been an almost entirely masculine pursuit. To take one example the key building blocks for modern computing, the Unix operating system and the C language, were built by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie in the late 60s and early 70s.
There were women employed as “computers.” They were called that because they computed numbers.
Apparently, the writer doesn’t understand the difference between using an adding machine and writing computer code… or maybe she’s bending the facts and inventing a side story that supports her main message.
Whatever, she failed.
So true. NPR, here in the US, propagated this nonsense too in their radio shows. There is a Wiki article on this topic and it coyly explains that there was a time when women used computers more than men simply because they were secretaries. At the time when manual typing machines were replaced by computer. But, these women were never software developers. Nonetheless, this doesn’t stop many articles, radio shows, etc. to postulate that it was the patriarchal society that flipped this around by discouraging women to use computers and play with dolls instead. And because of that men end up in technology and women in other fields. Crazy and insidious.
“overtaken in the Eighties”
I like Kat’s pieces but this is dead wrong.
Born in ’67, I’ve had a ringside seat for the rise & reign of personal computers and related IT.
From the Altair to the Apple ][ to the 5150 to the Mac to the x86 ascendancy to the dawn of the Internet (the one we’re using now, not ARPA or NSF), the whole shebang was, from the start, such a Boys’ Club as to make Mt Athos look like Smith College.
Same thing was true for mainframe/mini computers, the academic Unix scene, CGI tech in Hollywood and so on.
It’s going too far to claim there were NO women – but they were few and far between. Only in recent years (post-2000) have things begun to shift but even now, five decades on, it’s nowhere near 50/50.
That makes sense, Tom. It didn’t seem right as I read the female calculators bit.
There were women employed as “computers.” They were called that because they computed numbers.
Apparently, the writer doesn’t understand the difference between using an adding machine and writing computer code… or maybe she’s bending the facts and inventing a side story that supports her main message.
Whatever, she failed.
So true. NPR, here in the US, propagated this nonsense too in their radio shows. There is a Wiki article on this topic and it coyly explains that there was a time when women used computers more than men simply because they were secretaries. At the time when manual typing machines were replaced by computer. But, these women were never software developers. Nonetheless, this doesn’t stop many articles, radio shows, etc. to postulate that it was the patriarchal society that flipped this around by discouraging women to use computers and play with dolls instead. And because of that men end up in technology and women in other fields. Crazy and insidious.
“overtaken in the Eighties”
I like Kat’s pieces but this is dead wrong.
Born in ’67, I’ve had a ringside seat for the rise & reign of personal computers and related IT.
From the Altair to the Apple ][ to the 5150 to the Mac to the x86 ascendancy to the dawn of the Internet (the one we’re using now, not ARPA or NSF), the whole shebang was, from the start, such a Boys’ Club as to make Mt Athos look like Smith College.
Same thing was true for mainframe/mini computers, the academic Unix scene, CGI tech in Hollywood and so on.
It’s going too far to claim there were NO women – but they were few and far between. Only in recent years (post-2000) have things begun to shift but even now, five decades on, it’s nowhere near 50/50.
That makes sense, Tom. It didn’t seem right as I read the female calculators bit.
“Computer coding was the purview of female ‘calculators’, until it was overtaken in the Eighties by hungry hordes of Tech Bros”
This is utter nonsense. I get it than here in 2023 you can pretty much make up your history if it sounds good politically, but programming has always been an almost entirely masculine pursuit. To take one example the key building blocks for modern computing, the Unix operating system and the C language, were built by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie in the late 60s and early 70s.
I always thought women liked yoga because it was an excuse to dress up in clothes that would otherwise be considered age inappropriate. Plus there’s the whole female group activity aspects which replace the berry gathering of our distant female ancestors.
p.s. Anyone who has a heated debate about fruit obviously doesn’t have any real issues in their life.
Oh God not the berry gathering again. I also just heard someone saying that women can’t help shoplifting as it’s a displacement activity for our ‘instinct’ to gather nuts and berries
Really?!! That’s laugh out loud funny. Thanks.
Really?!! That’s laugh out loud funny. Thanks.
There were other female group activities after the berry gathering like quilting, knitting, scrapbooking, cards, food preparation and on and on.
Really? What else did you people get up to?
Really? What else did you people get up to?
Oh God not the berry gathering again. I also just heard someone saying that women can’t help shoplifting as it’s a displacement activity for our ‘instinct’ to gather nuts and berries
There were other female group activities after the berry gathering like quilting, knitting, scrapbooking, cards, food preparation and on and on.
I always thought women liked yoga because it was an excuse to dress up in clothes that would otherwise be considered age inappropriate. Plus there’s the whole female group activity aspects which replace the berry gathering of our distant female ancestors.
p.s. Anyone who has a heated debate about fruit obviously doesn’t have any real issues in their life.
Since when has fruit been a gender issue? I’ve always eaten loads of them without the urge to wear skirts.
That made me chuckle!
Agree with you completely. I think from experience that it’s a US culture thing, and quite hilarious.
That made me chuckle!
Agree with you completely. I think from experience that it’s a US culture thing, and quite hilarious.
Since when has fruit been a gender issue? I’ve always eaten loads of them without the urge to wear skirts.
Also strange how horse riding has gone from being a manly warrior skill to being a woman’s past time.
Now that men are rarely manly let alone warriors they seem to be losing many of those manly pastimes eg dancing, fighting, standing up for the oppressed etc
Just standing up straight. Maybe even tucking our shirts in occasionally
All you need to do to reclaim your manly arts is to do them. Women aren’t trying to stop you
You are right and, incidentally, I do ride, do martial arts etc but lots of manly skills are nowadays derided and / or toxic so clearly some women, and men, are trying to stop manliness.
Why would derision stop you from doing anything you wanted to do if you’re manly?
Why would derision stop you from doing anything you wanted to do if you’re manly?
Well said, Kirsten.
You are right and, incidentally, I do ride, do martial arts etc but lots of manly skills are nowadays derided and / or toxic so clearly some women, and men, are trying to stop manliness.
Well said, Kirsten.
Just standing up straight. Maybe even tucking our shirts in occasionally
All you need to do to reclaim your manly arts is to do them. Women aren’t trying to stop you
Also strange how horse riding has gone from being a manly warrior skill to being a woman’s past time.
Now that men are rarely manly let alone warriors they seem to be losing many of those manly pastimes eg dancing, fighting, standing up for the oppressed etc
Wow. Some interesting discussions in your house. The food pyramid shows us what to eat. I don’t remember seeing any gender attached to that.
Wow. Some interesting discussions in your house. The food pyramid shows us what to eat. I don’t remember seeing any gender attached to that.
Yoga was always a masculine pursuit in India, but also practiced by women who took up a ” sadhvi” role of renouncing conjugal life. See for instance Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay’s novel Devi Chaudhurani where the heroine is a lady escaping marauding Muslims to take up a life of arms and strict physical discipline through Yoga.( This was a novel loosely based on a true story).
So Yoga is not strictly either a masculine or feminine pursuit in Hindu ways. Rather it is connected with the celibate life of strict discipline and internal control over pleasurable senses.
What the 1960s counter culture has made of Yoga is something entirely different to Yogas deeply spiritual Hindu roots.
Some of the comments below are steeped in ignorant prejudice of both Hindu philosophy and practices.
As a believer in the Hindu way of life I request that loose dinner party chatter style bon- mots denigrating Yoga and it’s spiritual Hindu roots are not made.
That novel sounds fascinating. Off to find a copy…
Ah well, there you go trying to control people in the name of religion. Nice try. How about getting a sense of humor.
“As a believer in the Hindu way of life I request that loose dinner party chatter style bon- mots denigrating Yoga and it’s spiritual Hindu roots are not made.”
I say what I like when I like to whom I like, and will make it my business henceforth to denigrate Yoga and its spiritual Hindu roots at every dinner party I attend.
That novel sounds fascinating. Off to find a copy…
Ah well, there you go trying to control people in the name of religion. Nice try. How about getting a sense of humor.
“As a believer in the Hindu way of life I request that loose dinner party chatter style bon- mots denigrating Yoga and it’s spiritual Hindu roots are not made.”
I say what I like when I like to whom I like, and will make it my business henceforth to denigrate Yoga and its spiritual Hindu roots at every dinner party I attend.
Yoga was always a masculine pursuit in India, but also practiced by women who took up a ” sadhvi” role of renouncing conjugal life. See for instance Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay’s novel Devi Chaudhurani where the heroine is a lady escaping marauding Muslims to take up a life of arms and strict physical discipline through Yoga.( This was a novel loosely based on a true story).
So Yoga is not strictly either a masculine or feminine pursuit in Hindu ways. Rather it is connected with the celibate life of strict discipline and internal control over pleasurable senses.
What the 1960s counter culture has made of Yoga is something entirely different to Yogas deeply spiritual Hindu roots.
Some of the comments below are steeped in ignorant prejudice of both Hindu philosophy and practices.
As a believer in the Hindu way of life I request that loose dinner party chatter style bon- mots denigrating Yoga and it’s spiritual Hindu roots are not made.
Can’t Unherd find anything else to write about?!!!!
Can’t Unherd find anything else to write about?!!!!
I was raised in the 1970s when loads of men, including my Dad, did yoga, and fruits and foods were not divided into masculine and feminine. There was no Lulu Lemon, no “namaste,” no Gwyneth, no nothing. It was just people in shorts and leotards on cheap mats doing stretches and poses. Men were secure enough in their masculinity that they did not obsess about every food, gesture, or piece of clothing and whether it was coded male or female. What a stunning relief it would be if I could go back to that time now.
You can. You don’t have to follow the herd.
You can. You don’t have to follow the herd.
I was raised in the 1970s when loads of men, including my Dad, did yoga, and fruits and foods were not divided into masculine and feminine. There was no Lulu Lemon, no “namaste,” no Gwyneth, no nothing. It was just people in shorts and leotards on cheap mats doing stretches and poses. Men were secure enough in their masculinity that they did not obsess about every food, gesture, or piece of clothing and whether it was coded male or female. What a stunning relief it would be if I could go back to that time now.
I’m a retired US military and married and in excellent condition. I swim three days per week, walk 12 miles per week and do Yoga at home two days and in a morning class every Monday. I am the only male in my class. I enjoy the workout which is challenging. The women there are pretty much as the author describes. They mostly ignore me. There is much to be said about doing poses in a room full of attractive women wearing spandex!
BTW, I eat lots of fruit.
Apparently.
Apparently.
I’m a retired US military and married and in excellent condition. I swim three days per week, walk 12 miles per week and do Yoga at home two days and in a morning class every Monday. I am the only male in my class. I enjoy the workout which is challenging. The women there are pretty much as the author describes. They mostly ignore me. There is much to be said about doing poses in a room full of attractive women wearing spandex!
BTW, I eat lots of fruit.
I’ll just leave here this information: Tom Hiddleston, one of the few actors who played in super-hero films without becoming an advertisement to steroids and injectable testosterone, (in Portugal, an actor who used to brag about exercizing almost died due to illegal injections of testosterone) used to practise yoga to achieve fluid movements.
I’ll just leave here this information: Tom Hiddleston, one of the few actors who played in super-hero films without becoming an advertisement to steroids and injectable testosterone, (in Portugal, an actor who used to brag about exercizing almost died due to illegal injections of testosterone) used to practise yoga to achieve fluid movements.
Namaslay?
Probably no better word exists to encapsulate the upper middle class female obsession with yoga currently.
White females.
You people.
You people.
White females.
Namaslay?
Probably no better word exists to encapsulate the upper middle class female obsession with yoga currently.
Men work out; women go to fitness classes. amiright?
My wife works out and walks hills that cause others to have heart attacks. No fitness classes
In the last 40 years.
Not everyone has access to big hills, or a year-round, outdoorsy climate.
Not everyone has access to big hills, or a year-round, outdoorsy climate.
You’re right.
My wife works out and walks hills that cause others to have heart attacks. No fitness classes
In the last 40 years.
You’re right.
Men work out; women go to fitness classes. amiright?
I guess the author is a member of the chattering classes: People come and go, talking of Michelangelo.
I guess the author is a member of the chattering classes: People come and go, talking of Michelangelo.
…lovely.
…lovely.
Snore.
Snore.
Just found this article. I guess I am too late for anyone to ready my comment but here goes.
I started practicing yoga in Miami in 2016. At most classes where I go, just under half are guys. And just for those who are wondering and want it spelled out, none of us are gay or even effeminate. In fact, in my experience yoga is a distinctly heterosexual world – unlike gyms, where gays make themselves so evident and often seem barely able to walk in a straight line because some of their muscles are so over-developed.
On the physical side, yoga builds strength, balance and flexibility. Yet yoga asana (just waiting for the giggling at that word) – the postures – are only one arm of what Patanjali about 2,000 years ago described as the “eight arms” of yoga, the others being: moral restraints (4 of these), positive observances (4 also), breathing techniques, withdrawing of the senses, focused concentration, meditative absorption, and bliss.
Yoga is heady, exciting stuff. At times it has produced for me extraordinary transcendental experiences. What is evident from the article as well as the commentators, however, is a complete disdain for the spiritual aspect of the practice, which is a sad reflection on the materialism that dominates Western culture.
Just found this article. I guess I am too late for anyone to ready my comment but here goes.
I started practicing yoga in Miami in 2016. At most classes where I go, just under half are guys. And just for those who are wondering and want it spelled out, none of us are gay or even effeminate. In fact, in my experience yoga is a distinctly heterosexual world – unlike gyms, where gays make themselves so evident and often seem barely able to walk in a straight line because some of their muscles are so over-developed.
On the physical side, yoga builds strength, balance and flexibility. Yet yoga asana (just waiting for the giggling at that word) – the postures – are only one arm of what Patanjali about 2,000 years ago described as the “eight arms” of yoga, the others being: moral restraints (4 of these), positive observances (4 also), breathing techniques, withdrawing of the senses, focused concentration, meditative absorption, and bliss.
Yoga is heady, exciting stuff. At times it has produced for me extraordinary transcendental experiences. What is evident from the article as well as the commentators, however, is a complete disdain for the spiritual aspect of the practice, which is a sad reflection on the materialism that dominates Western culture.
If the ladies want to shimmy about in leggings that look, frankly, as if they were sprayed on, I personally have no objection whatsoever. They don’t just wear them in the yoga studio, they wear them everywhere, it seems.
I do find it odd that this is acceptable to a generation of women that made such a fuss about banning Page 3 girls in the newspaper, but I’m not complaining.
If the ladies want to shimmy about in leggings that look, frankly, as if they were sprayed on, I personally have no objection whatsoever. They don’t just wear them in the yoga studio, they wear them everywhere, it seems.
I do find it odd that this is acceptable to a generation of women that made such a fuss about banning Page 3 girls in the newspaper, but I’m not complaining.