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Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

Drivel I thought, but this caught my eye

“70 million Americans who support it — people who voted for Trump because they had faith either in him or the Republican Party.“

It seems to me that few people in western democracies vote for a party. They either vote actively against a party’s ethos, or for their perception of the least bad option.

None of the anti Trump people ever ask “how could the democrats have been so bad, that a Trump presidency became possible?”

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

“how could the democrats have been so bad, that a Trump presidency became possible?”

Precisely!
As an Englishman with virtually NO knowledge of American politics and little desire to change that, even I was astonished by the conduct of the female of the Clinton species! And her preposterous followers.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Yes, this. As a newly-minted U.S. citizen Trump was the first president I ever voted for. Indeed, it certainly wasn’t because I ‘believed’ in him or the Republic party, but because I considered the alternative to be a hundred times worse.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

“how could the democrats have been so bad, that a Trump presidency became possible?”

Precisely!
As an Englishman with virtually NO knowledge of American politics and little desire to change that, even I was astonished by the conduct of the female of the Clinton species! And her preposterous followers.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Yes, this. As a newly-minted U.S. citizen Trump was the first president I ever voted for. Indeed, it certainly wasn’t because I ‘believed’ in him or the Republic party, but because I considered the alternative to be a hundred times worse.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

Drivel I thought, but this caught my eye

“70 million Americans who support it — people who voted for Trump because they had faith either in him or the Republican Party.“

It seems to me that few people in western democracies vote for a party. They either vote actively against a party’s ethos, or for their perception of the least bad option.

None of the anti Trump people ever ask “how could the democrats have been so bad, that a Trump presidency became possible?”

Geoff Wilkes
Geoff Wilkes
1 year ago

Paragraph after paragraph of drivel about wrestling, followed by the conclusion that Trump’s success is due to “marketing.”
I’m a new subscriber. I doubt I’ll stay.

Last edited 1 year ago by Geoff Wilkes
Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

With four new articles every weekday, plus The Post, there’s bound to be the odd piece of trash. Making a judgment on your subscription on that basis isn’t the best start.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

There are some excellent writers/thinkers on Unherd. This dude is published for contrast.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Sisyphus Jones

I learned early on to simply skip Bateman’s musings and go straight to the comments, which assure me every time that it was a sensible approach. To new subscriber Geoff, stick around for Mary Harrington and a handful of other terrific writers who really know their subjects, and write beautifully.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Sisyphus Jones

I learned early on to simply skip Bateman’s musings and go straight to the comments, which assure me every time that it was a sensible approach. To new subscriber Geoff, stick around for Mary Harrington and a handful of other terrific writers who really know their subjects, and write beautifully.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

With four new articles every weekday, plus The Post, there’s bound to be the odd piece of trash. Making a judgment on your subscription on that basis isn’t the best start.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Wilkes

There are some excellent writers/thinkers on Unherd. This dude is published for contrast.

Geoff Wilkes
Geoff Wilkes
1 year ago

Paragraph after paragraph of drivel about wrestling, followed by the conclusion that Trump’s success is due to “marketing.”
I’m a new subscriber. I doubt I’ll stay.

Last edited 1 year ago by Geoff Wilkes
Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago

It was this strategy [a vivid, aggressive, and anti-truth strategy] that the American Right adopted, to sow discord across a country recently united by Obama’s calm, paternalistic centrism.



Now it feels like Oliver is just trolling Unherd readers and commenters for criticizing – sometimes harshly, usually fairly – his motivated reasoning and non-analysis. He reminds me of the uncle Rico character from Napoleon Dynamite who claims he can throw a football over the mountain. He thinks he’s an undiscovered star but he’s really just selling Tupperware.

Last edited 1 year ago by Sisyphus Jones
Ron Vinsant
Ron Vinsant
1 year ago
Reply to  Sisyphus Jones

Calm? Obama? What universe?

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Vinsant

The claim that Obama united the country with centrism is the kind of thing a guy would say, knowing it’s not true, because he knows your frustration with Obama is largely due his failure to unite and the speed with which he abandoned centrism. It’s trolling, pure and simple. Oliver is the worst writer on Unherd. I love reading his stuff.

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Vinsant

The claim that Obama united the country with centrism is the kind of thing a guy would say, knowing it’s not true, because he knows your frustration with Obama is largely due his failure to unite and the speed with which he abandoned centrism. It’s trolling, pure and simple. Oliver is the worst writer on Unherd. I love reading his stuff.

Ron Vinsant
Ron Vinsant
1 year ago
Reply to  Sisyphus Jones

Calm? Obama? What universe?

Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago

It was this strategy [a vivid, aggressive, and anti-truth strategy] that the American Right adopted, to sow discord across a country recently united by Obama’s calm, paternalistic centrism.



Now it feels like Oliver is just trolling Unherd readers and commenters for criticizing – sometimes harshly, usually fairly – his motivated reasoning and non-analysis. He reminds me of the uncle Rico character from Napoleon Dynamite who claims he can throw a football over the mountain. He thinks he’s an undiscovered star but he’s really just selling Tupperware.

Last edited 1 year ago by Sisyphus Jones
Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 year ago

The idea that no-one admitted wrestling was worked before 1989 is nonsense. In Japan, the US and UK and in other countries where pro-wres is big, there have been many admissions and kiss-n-tells.