France is in flames. Israel is erupting. America is facing a second January 6. In the Netherlands, however, the political establishment is reeling from an entirely different type of protest — one that, perhaps more than any other raging today, threatens to destabilise the global order. The victory of the Farmer-Citizen Movement (BBB) in the recent provincial elections represents an extraordinary result for an anti-establishment party that was formed just over three years ago. But then again, these are not ordinary times.
The BBB grew out of the mass demonstrations against the Dutch government’s proposal to cut nitrogen emissions by 50% in the country’s farming sector by 2030 — a target designed to comply with the European Union’s emission-reduction rules. While large farming companies have the means to meet these goals — by using less nitrogen fertiliser and reducing the number of their livestock — smaller, often family-owned farms would be forced to sell or shutter. Indeed, according to a heavily redacted European Commission document, this is precisely the strategy’s goal: “extensifying agriculture, notably through buying out or terminating farms, with the aim of reducing livestock”; this would “first be on a voluntary basis, but mandatory buyout is not excluded if necessary”.
It is no surprise, then, that the plans sparked massive protests by farmers, who see it as a direct attack on their livelihoods, or that the BBB’s slogan — “No Farms, No Food” — clearly resonated with voters. But aside from concerns about the impact of the measure on the country’s food security, and on a centuries-old rural way of life integral to Dutch national identity, the rationale behind this drastic measure is also questionable. Agriculture currently accounts for almost half of the country’s output of carbon dioxide, yet the Netherlands is responsible for less than 0.4% of the world’s emissions. No wonder many Dutch fail to see how such negligible returns justify the complete overhaul of the country’s farming sector, which is already considered one of the most sustainable in the world: over the past two decades, water dependence for key crops has been reduced by as much as 90%, and the use of chemical pesticides in greenhouses has been almost completely eliminated.
Farmers also point out that the consequences of the nitrogen cut would extend well beyond the Netherlands. The country, after all, is Europe’s largest exporter of meat and the second-largest agricultural exporter in the world, just behind the United States — in other words, the plan would cause food exports to collapse at a time when the world is already facing a food and resource shortage. We already know what this might look like. A similar ban on nitrogen fertiliser was conducted in Sri Lanka last year, with disastrous consequences: it caused an artificial food shortage that plunged nearly two million Sri Lankans into poverty, leading to an uprising that toppled the government.
Given the irrational nature of the policy, many protesting farmers believe it can’t simply be blamed on the urbanite “green elites” currently running the Dutch government. They suggest one of the underlying reasons for the move is to squeeze small farmers from the market, allowing them to be bought out by multinational agribusiness giants who recognise the immense value of the country’s land — not only is it highly fertile, but it is also strategically located with easy access to the north Atlantic coast (Rotterdam is the largest port in Europe). They also point out that prime minister Rutte is an Agenda Contributor of the World Economic Forum, which is well known for being corporate-driven, while his finance minister and Minister of Social Affairs and Employment are also tied to the body.
The struggle playing out in the Netherlands would seem to be part of a much bigger game that seeks to “reset” the international food system. Similar measures are currently being introduced or considered in several other European countries, including Belgium, Germany, Ireland and Britain (where the Government is encouraging traditional farmers to leave the industry to free up land for new “sustainable” farmers). As the second-largest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, after the energy sector, agriculture has naturally ended up in the crosshairs of Net Zero advocates — that is, virtually all major international and global organisations. The solution, we are told, is “sustainable agriculture” — one of the UN’s 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which form their “Agenda 2030”.
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SubscribeThe arrogance, hubris and stupidity of these technocrats is so profound it’s almost comical – if it wasn’t so tragic. If you force the Dutch to cull their herd by say 1,000 animals, you aren’t doing anything to help the environment. Demand for these animals won’t magically disappear. The supply will simply be filled somewhere else.
And because the Dutch are maybe the most efficient and productive farmers in the world, production will almost certainly shift somewhere much less desirable, where the environmental footprint is significantly worse. So now we get some farmer in Brazil burning down 1,000 acres of rainforest so he can create the pasture to fill the market void left by the Dutch.
Meanwhile, in Holland you’ve made some farmers wealthier, but unproductive. They will likely invest their money in real estate or some other financial instrument that doesn’t produce tangible products or jobs.
I know I shouldn’t be shocked anymore, but the ignorance of these people never ceases to amaze me.
Agreed. Our government has started to talk about banning logs as fuel. Now, suddenly, on a path where I run I see more and more trees being cut down because they are ‘rotten’. All at the same time!
We are supposed to be aiming at net zero. Biomass is an approved fuel because rotten trees will give back their CO2 to the atmosphere. So the rotten ones are cut down and new are planted. Who will control this? The thought police obviously. People will be encouraged to report their not-so-green neighbours.
I guarantee that when the government starts to cut back on cows, every rabbit and pheasant will be shot. The stupidity is that everybody in power seems to believe that people will meekly walk to their own ruin.
This rubbish is happening under a majority Tory party. It’s becoming a nightmare and producing anti human policies.
This rubbish is happening under a majority Tory party. It’s becoming a nightmare and producing anti human policies.
Wait, Wait, Wait.
The claim that The Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world, just behind the U.S., doesn’t add up. The Netherlands has a total landmass of only 16,160 square miles. France, for example has 248,600 square miles and the state of California alone has 423,967. How on earth can they possibly export almost as much as the U.S., even if they sold 100% of every cow, onion and tulip they grow on their postage stamp-sized country?
https://www.opportimes.com/the-worlds-largest-exporters-of-agricultural-products-in-2020/
I have no idea actually. It’s been repeated so often I assumed it was true. Not sure if it invalidates any arguments against the closures.
Dutch agriculture includes high value added specialty products. Dutch exports are not massive amounts of grains, but rather such things as ornamental plants and flowers, beef, etc. All are high value in terms of volume and weight versus corn, for example.
In short, the Dutch use high tech to add high value to what they grow.
They produce a massive amount of cheese from their dairy farming as well as beef. “We will soon put a stop to that” says their stupid government.
They produce a massive amount of cheese from their dairy farming as well as beef. “We will soon put a stop to that” says their stupid government.
As an Australian, I was surprised to learn my country isn’t in the top 10. But the Netherlands is #2
https://humboldt.global/top-agricultural-exporters/
You’ll soon be in the top 10 the way Netherlands are treating their farmers. There are not much better contributions than feeding your own country and exporting the excess to build up the economy.
You’ll soon be in the top 10 the way Netherlands are treating their farmers. There are not much better contributions than feeding your own country and exporting the excess to build up the economy.
The exports include products made from ingredients that are grown elsewhere. For example, orange marmalade made in The Netherlands is considered one of their agricultural products although oranges do not grow there. Ornamental plants (tulips, for example) are also agricultural products.
They use them to make good marmalade though. It might help them to do a Dutchxit and get away from the EU.
They use them to make good marmalade though. It might help them to do a Dutchxit and get away from the EU.
They are just very efficient and are the worlds 4th biggest producer of food. Why would their WEF government try to hinder them?
I have no idea actually. It’s been repeated so often I assumed it was true. Not sure if it invalidates any arguments against the closures.
Dutch agriculture includes high value added specialty products. Dutch exports are not massive amounts of grains, but rather such things as ornamental plants and flowers, beef, etc. All are high value in terms of volume and weight versus corn, for example.
In short, the Dutch use high tech to add high value to what they grow.
As an Australian, I was surprised to learn my country isn’t in the top 10. But the Netherlands is #2
https://humboldt.global/top-agricultural-exporters/
The exports include products made from ingredients that are grown elsewhere. For example, orange marmalade made in The Netherlands is considered one of their agricultural products although oranges do not grow there. Ornamental plants (tulips, for example) are also agricultural products.
They are just very efficient and are the worlds 4th biggest producer of food. Why would their WEF government try to hinder them?
Well Said!
We offer our humanity to the alter of efficiency in all its glory.
It is not even efficient though. Some of these young people are so deceived by it that they think they have only twelve years left before the world ends.
It is not even efficient though. Some of these young people are so deceived by it that they think they have only twelve years left before the world ends.
The Dutch government has made investing in real estate virtually impossible unless you are a huge mega-corporation. Exorbitant fines and byzantine tax and land lease rules are now in place to discourage property ownership.
The rich will never have any problem buying land.
The rich will also have no problem in filling their plates with fiet mignon and other such foods while the rest of us will be expected to eat maggot pies.
They won’t let you eat meat by the sound of it. I don’t know if maggots count.
They won’t let you eat meat by the sound of it. I don’t know if maggots count.
Gates is buying up massive areas in the States. It’s not good.
The rich will also have no problem in filling their plates with fiet mignon and other such foods while the rest of us will be expected to eat maggot pies.
Gates is buying up massive areas in the States. It’s not good.
“You’ll own nothing and still be happy.” Klaus Scwab. We need to deal with these opressors.
The rich will never have any problem buying land.
“You’ll own nothing and still be happy.” Klaus Scwab. We need to deal with these opressors.
This is another example of (for the lack of words) socialist-techno-eco-oligo-klepto-fascism. It must stop or we are doomed.
Marriage won’t be allowed. They want to own and influence the children themselves just like the communists did. Just look at what is happening in British schools.
Marriage won’t be allowed. They want to own and influence the children themselves just like the communists did. Just look at what is happening in British schools.
I agree, except they are not ignorant, they are greedy and evil. It’s all about The Grift—climate change and everything (like food production and distribution) being hung on it, COVID, Ukraine War, ESG, just about everything.
The government-corporate quasi-fascists profit from creating a problem, which may be real or may be manufactured, and then profit from imposing a solution that does not solve anything but sets up the need for another such solution when the problem persists.
If you doubt this, just look around you.
It’s all to do with these crazy zero policies that have got out of hand. When I was growing up the so called experts were talking about the world freezing. This changed at some stage and now it’s global warming. It is affecting the young and some believe the world has only got twelve more years. Just poppycot and scaremongering. It’s a mad mad world.
Agreed. Our government has started to talk about banning logs as fuel. Now, suddenly, on a path where I run I see more and more trees being cut down because they are ‘rotten’. All at the same time!
We are supposed to be aiming at net zero. Biomass is an approved fuel because rotten trees will give back their CO2 to the atmosphere. So the rotten ones are cut down and new are planted. Who will control this? The thought police obviously. People will be encouraged to report their not-so-green neighbours.
I guarantee that when the government starts to cut back on cows, every rabbit and pheasant will be shot. The stupidity is that everybody in power seems to believe that people will meekly walk to their own ruin.
Wait, Wait, Wait.
The claim that The Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world, just behind the U.S., doesn’t add up. The Netherlands has a total landmass of only 16,160 square miles. France, for example has 248,600 square miles and the state of California alone has 423,967. How on earth can they possibly export almost as much as the U.S., even if they sold 100% of every cow, onion and tulip they grow on their postage stamp-sized country?
https://www.opportimes.com/the-worlds-largest-exporters-of-agricultural-products-in-2020/
Well Said!
We offer our humanity to the alter of efficiency in all its glory.
The Dutch government has made investing in real estate virtually impossible unless you are a huge mega-corporation. Exorbitant fines and byzantine tax and land lease rules are now in place to discourage property ownership.
This is another example of (for the lack of words) socialist-techno-eco-oligo-klepto-fascism. It must stop or we are doomed.
I agree, except they are not ignorant, they are greedy and evil. It’s all about The Grift—climate change and everything (like food production and distribution) being hung on it, COVID, Ukraine War, ESG, just about everything.
The government-corporate quasi-fascists profit from creating a problem, which may be real or may be manufactured, and then profit from imposing a solution that does not solve anything but sets up the need for another such solution when the problem persists.
If you doubt this, just look around you.
It’s all to do with these crazy zero policies that have got out of hand. When I was growing up the so called experts were talking about the world freezing. This changed at some stage and now it’s global warming. It is affecting the young and some believe the world has only got twelve more years. Just poppycot and scaremongering. It’s a mad mad world.
The arrogance, hubris and stupidity of these technocrats is so profound it’s almost comical – if it wasn’t so tragic. If you force the Dutch to cull their herd by say 1,000 animals, you aren’t doing anything to help the environment. Demand for these animals won’t magically disappear. The supply will simply be filled somewhere else.
And because the Dutch are maybe the most efficient and productive farmers in the world, production will almost certainly shift somewhere much less desirable, where the environmental footprint is significantly worse. So now we get some farmer in Brazil burning down 1,000 acres of rainforest so he can create the pasture to fill the market void left by the Dutch.
Meanwhile, in Holland you’ve made some farmers wealthier, but unproductive. They will likely invest their money in real estate or some other financial instrument that doesn’t produce tangible products or jobs.
I know I shouldn’t be shocked anymore, but the ignorance of these people never ceases to amaze me.
Great article! (Unherd, please note: more like this, please.)
I hope that these latter-day Marie-Antoinettes, saying “Qu’ils mangent des insectes”, meet a similar fate to the original.
Well said indeed Notre Dame.
Well said indeed Notre Dame.
Great article! (Unherd, please note: more like this, please.)
I hope that these latter-day Marie-Antoinettes, saying “Qu’ils mangent des insectes”, meet a similar fate to the original.
Good God. The trajectory was clear enough in hindsight, but it’s only now, in the endgame, that the frog finally realises it’s being boiled. This won’t end well.
Most people are not aware of it. I think you get a knowing crowd on here.
Most people are not aware of it. I think you get a knowing crowd on here.
Good God. The trajectory was clear enough in hindsight, but it’s only now, in the endgame, that the frog finally realises it’s being boiled. This won’t end well.
People used to laugh when I argued that the whole point of the EU was to use bureaucracy and regulation to protect its big businesses against the competition from small business and other world markets.
They are not laughing now.
People used to laugh when I argued that a major point of Brexit was to enable large US and Aussie farms to gobble up smaller UK farms.
They are not laughing now:
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1725513/amanda-owen-brexit-markets-damage-farming-our-yorkshire-farm
https://unherd.com/2020/12/brexit-will-ruin-britains-farms/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-farming-immigration-neil-parish-b1975696.html
I wish ‘they’ would buy mine!
The opposite is true Frank. You need to read the right papers.
I wish ‘they’ would buy mine!
The opposite is true Frank. You need to read the right papers.
The trouble with big business is that it is global and can get around the rules of nation states.
People used to laugh when I argued that a major point of Brexit was to enable large US and Aussie farms to gobble up smaller UK farms.
They are not laughing now:
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1725513/amanda-owen-brexit-markets-damage-farming-our-yorkshire-farm
https://unherd.com/2020/12/brexit-will-ruin-britains-farms/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-farming-immigration-neil-parish-b1975696.html
The trouble with big business is that it is global and can get around the rules of nation states.
People used to laugh when I argued that the whole point of the EU was to use bureaucracy and regulation to protect its big businesses against the competition from small business and other world markets.
They are not laughing now.
Please God, deliver us from bureaucrats and wealthy busybodies and their endless meddling in areas they don’t understand.
None of these policies are based on a holistic knowledge of the likely impact they will have. There will be endless unforeseen consequences. For instance, insects feed on animal dung. No animals, no dung, no insects, no wildflowers. They are recipes for the sterilisation of the earth.
Technocrats never seem to learn from their past mistakes. Their anthem is always ‘this time it will be different’.
It won’t.
Yes, some (not that many) insects feed in animal dung. However, the idea that the only animal dung on Earth can be from human livestock is pretty odd- until the latter part of the 20th century, most mammals on the planet were wild.
There are, supposedly , only 75.000,000 wild ruminantd on the planet against about 1 billion cattle. Might be a dung deficiency there, and who will be traipsing across the Serengeti to pick it up, I wonder.
There are, supposedly , only 75.000,000 wild ruminantd on the planet against about 1 billion cattle. Might be a dung deficiency there, and who will be traipsing across the Serengeti to pick it up, I wonder.
Indeed, we are living through the Western version of China’s Great Leap Forward. The latter led to all kinds of unforeseen consequences and mass starvation ensued with the loss of millions of lives.
I cannot believe that the prospective unforeseen consequences that lurk on the horizon obvious for most to see have been missed by our globalist overlords. They know where it is leading and they, enabled by legions of willing idiots, have spent the last decades ensuring a general population dumbed down and/or otherwise distracted enough not to ask any questions.
Microsoft says gaming people are great and can develop their personalities through gaming. Yeah get them in to fantasy land to keep them quiet.
Microsoft says gaming people are great and can develop their personalities through gaming. Yeah get them in to fantasy land to keep them quiet.
Educated idiots if you ask me.
Yes, some (not that many) insects feed in animal dung. However, the idea that the only animal dung on Earth can be from human livestock is pretty odd- until the latter part of the 20th century, most mammals on the planet were wild.
Indeed, we are living through the Western version of China’s Great Leap Forward. The latter led to all kinds of unforeseen consequences and mass starvation ensued with the loss of millions of lives.
I cannot believe that the prospective unforeseen consequences that lurk on the horizon obvious for most to see have been missed by our globalist overlords. They know where it is leading and they, enabled by legions of willing idiots, have spent the last decades ensuring a general population dumbed down and/or otherwise distracted enough not to ask any questions.
Educated idiots if you ask me.
Please God, deliver us from bureaucrats and wealthy busybodies and their endless meddling in areas they don’t understand.
None of these policies are based on a holistic knowledge of the likely impact they will have. There will be endless unforeseen consequences. For instance, insects feed on animal dung. No animals, no dung, no insects, no wildflowers. They are recipes for the sterilisation of the earth.
Technocrats never seem to learn from their past mistakes. Their anthem is always ‘this time it will be different’.
It won’t.
Follow the money!
A few people will get very rich from this nonsense and the rest of us will pay. The poorest will pay the most whether the lower income cohort in developed countries or the subsistence farmers and their ilk in the poorest countries.
This whole green movement has been captured by the wealth globalists with a few well intentioned patsies to do the shouting.
The wealthy will eat their Steak and the poor will be lucky to get enough of the genetically modified beans. Eating insects for many will be about scavenging (Mopani Worms in Africa for example) and not buying in lab grown protein.
Why, when people utter the dread cliche ‘follow the money’, do they never actually follow it, but leap to their standard ideological bogeymen as if money only ever followed one simple channel?
Most of the rants here espouse a set of hopelessly conflicting conspiracies- that the decline of small farms is a plot by The Great Reset, that the Great Reset is a plot against the poor, that anyone suggesting a reduction in meat consumption is part of the Great Reset.
The reason why small, mixed farms have been disappearing since before WW2 is largely down to two factors; A. big agricultural corporations and chemical giants have the finance to buy up huge tracts of land to turn into industrial agriculture and make them reliant on their products, and B. the huge rise in meat consumption over this period, both in Europe and latterly across the globe, has made it impossible to meet this demand using small-scale traditional farms. The cheap meat that the Reset ranters see as the right of the poor is impossible without big-scale intensive specialist livestock farms. It’s no good whining about the loss of traditional farming whist simultaneously whining about bashing the poor and hating vegans and Greens for suggesting we eat less meat. It may be ideologically satisfying-conspiracies always are- but as a way of confronting the complexities of the world, it’s useless. That’s before we even start to talk about nitrate pollution, which both the author and his fans like to pretend doesn’t exist, as admitting the fact would be another ideological inconvenience.
God knows, no-one expects much joined-up thinking or fact-facing from the Unherd herd, but some effort might be a start,
Welcome back ‘Thorax’.
And cheap food for the poor requires a lot of energy. Increase the cost/availability of energy and food becomes much more expensive/unavailable; the poorest have a much harder time eating.
For decades after WW2 our British farmers were encouraged to emulate the American model of farming. Meanwhile the bolshy French who with the Germans created the EU made sure that the rules they wrote,seeing as they wrote the rules,protected their old style,in efficient,traditional,unprofitable family farms. They didn’t want their whole population to rush to the cities. They wanted to keep their native population on the land,in their traditional places and keep their way of life. Good for them. Due to this Brits in particular have sought to buy a place in France and live there for decades now because it’s like how sone of them remember it used to be here and the deep sense of peace in “la France profonde” is something to experience. I get why people want it. All beause the admirable Bolshy French told the Americans to go and do one. Now in USA the vaunted place of efficient,highly productive,science driven agriculture guaranteed to result in abundant cheap food for the masses,now food is scarce and expensive. I can buy 10 eggs for £3 which is more than if have paid but it’s still not equivalent to $12 or uowards in the USA. Looking at prices for “store cupboard” basics in the USA tells me that the FREE market is not in operation. The invisible hand is being well and truly guided by another invisible hand
If you want to dominate the world in your image you have to take care of the man in the street. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Welcome back ‘Thorax’.
And cheap food for the poor requires a lot of energy. Increase the cost/availability of energy and food becomes much more expensive/unavailable; the poorest have a much harder time eating.
For decades after WW2 our British farmers were encouraged to emulate the American model of farming. Meanwhile the bolshy French who with the Germans created the EU made sure that the rules they wrote,seeing as they wrote the rules,protected their old style,in efficient,traditional,unprofitable family farms. They didn’t want their whole population to rush to the cities. They wanted to keep their native population on the land,in their traditional places and keep their way of life. Good for them. Due to this Brits in particular have sought to buy a place in France and live there for decades now because it’s like how sone of them remember it used to be here and the deep sense of peace in “la France profonde” is something to experience. I get why people want it. All beause the admirable Bolshy French told the Americans to go and do one. Now in USA the vaunted place of efficient,highly productive,science driven agriculture guaranteed to result in abundant cheap food for the masses,now food is scarce and expensive. I can buy 10 eggs for £3 which is more than if have paid but it’s still not equivalent to $12 or uowards in the USA. Looking at prices for “store cupboard” basics in the USA tells me that the FREE market is not in operation. The invisible hand is being well and truly guided by another invisible hand
If you want to dominate the world in your image you have to take care of the man in the street. Wake up and smell the coffee.
It is a return to serfdom. Pretty much there when you think of how we are taxed to the gills and now stand in danger of having our cars – that have granted such freedom and independence – from being confiscated.
Why, when people utter the dread cliche ‘follow the money’, do they never actually follow it, but leap to their standard ideological bogeymen as if money only ever followed one simple channel?
Most of the rants here espouse a set of hopelessly conflicting conspiracies- that the decline of small farms is a plot by The Great Reset, that the Great Reset is a plot against the poor, that anyone suggesting a reduction in meat consumption is part of the Great Reset.
The reason why small, mixed farms have been disappearing since before WW2 is largely down to two factors; A. big agricultural corporations and chemical giants have the finance to buy up huge tracts of land to turn into industrial agriculture and make them reliant on their products, and B. the huge rise in meat consumption over this period, both in Europe and latterly across the globe, has made it impossible to meet this demand using small-scale traditional farms. The cheap meat that the Reset ranters see as the right of the poor is impossible without big-scale intensive specialist livestock farms. It’s no good whining about the loss of traditional farming whist simultaneously whining about bashing the poor and hating vegans and Greens for suggesting we eat less meat. It may be ideologically satisfying-conspiracies always are- but as a way of confronting the complexities of the world, it’s useless. That’s before we even start to talk about nitrate pollution, which both the author and his fans like to pretend doesn’t exist, as admitting the fact would be another ideological inconvenience.
God knows, no-one expects much joined-up thinking or fact-facing from the Unherd herd, but some effort might be a start,
It is a return to serfdom. Pretty much there when you think of how we are taxed to the gills and now stand in danger of having our cars – that have granted such freedom and independence – from being confiscated.
Follow the money!
A few people will get very rich from this nonsense and the rest of us will pay. The poorest will pay the most whether the lower income cohort in developed countries or the subsistence farmers and their ilk in the poorest countries.
This whole green movement has been captured by the wealth globalists with a few well intentioned patsies to do the shouting.
The wealthy will eat their Steak and the poor will be lucky to get enough of the genetically modified beans. Eating insects for many will be about scavenging (Mopani Worms in Africa for example) and not buying in lab grown protein.
We could first restrict the diet of all ‘Save The Planet’ badge wearers. When they have lived for 25 years without health problems, the rest of the world could, maybe, follow quietly.
Make the ‘Save the Planet’ mind-controllers into guinea pigs – let them not travel outside their own area, be denied a passport, wear a badge, make it illegal to serve them with meat, limit their energy supply to one half of the average, grow their own food, etc. They can spend a few years leading from the front.
More importantly, apply the same rules to all people in local government and national government who back these policies. Let us have a few MeatGate investigations to show that they are cheating and expose the frauds. Ban all government ministers from leaving the country – whatever the reason. Ban the visitors attending the coronation on May 6th.
That doesn’t seem to align with the ‘polluters pay’ philosophy. It seems far more appropriate to look at society and find who have been the major consumers over the years, which sections of the population have benefitted the most from cheap energy, cheap food and cheap housing and perhaps look at them to make some sacrifices.
You will find that rural communities are more ‘wasteful’ than urban communities. So, having done this work you will conclude that everyone should move and join you in the conurbations.
You will find that rural communities are more ‘wasteful’ than urban communities. So, having done this work you will conclude that everyone should move and join you in the conurbations.
That doesn’t seem to align with the ‘polluters pay’ philosophy. It seems far more appropriate to look at society and find who have been the major consumers over the years, which sections of the population have benefitted the most from cheap energy, cheap food and cheap housing and perhaps look at them to make some sacrifices.
We could first restrict the diet of all ‘Save The Planet’ badge wearers. When they have lived for 25 years without health problems, the rest of the world could, maybe, follow quietly.
Make the ‘Save the Planet’ mind-controllers into guinea pigs – let them not travel outside their own area, be denied a passport, wear a badge, make it illegal to serve them with meat, limit their energy supply to one half of the average, grow their own food, etc. They can spend a few years leading from the front.
More importantly, apply the same rules to all people in local government and national government who back these policies. Let us have a few MeatGate investigations to show that they are cheating and expose the frauds. Ban all government ministers from leaving the country – whatever the reason. Ban the visitors attending the coronation on May 6th.
Well I for one am looking forward to seeing how French farmers will react to this exciting new initiative!
I’m ordering in the popcorn…..
Hot dogs and sausage work will on bbq sticks too. Try to find a quiet corner of the mayhem though.
Hot dogs and sausage work will on bbq sticks too. Try to find a quiet corner of the mayhem though.
I’m ordering in the popcorn…..
Well I for one am looking forward to seeing how French farmers will react to this exciting new initiative!
One of the major problems with uniform, multinational food production is a lack of biodiversity. Local farmers used to actively cultivate varieties of crops conducive to their climate. Blue Mountain Corn is an example of this, tailored to the northern high-desert of America. California growers created lots of trees specific to the Sacramento Central Valley. The resulting genetic diversity provides resilience in the food system, something that’s useless until there’s a major crop disease outbreak. Minimal genetic variation risks a “banana pandemic” problem.
Genetic diversity is a pain in the rear to ADM and other large agricultural companies though. It’s cheaper to plant billions of the same hybridized seeds in all their fields.
One of the major problems with uniform, multinational food production is a lack of biodiversity. Local farmers used to actively cultivate varieties of crops conducive to their climate. Blue Mountain Corn is an example of this, tailored to the northern high-desert of America. California growers created lots of trees specific to the Sacramento Central Valley. The resulting genetic diversity provides resilience in the food system, something that’s useless until there’s a major crop disease outbreak. Minimal genetic variation risks a “banana pandemic” problem.
Genetic diversity is a pain in the rear to ADM and other large agricultural companies though. It’s cheaper to plant billions of the same hybridized seeds in all their fields.
“You’ll eat bugs and you’ll like it, peasants!”
“You’ll eat bugs and you’ll like it, peasants!”
I think that there is a long way to go before people realise what is going on. Our mainstream media have prepared us well, and continue to do so. The vilification machine is still running in top gear. There is a lot of damage still to be done. Once this all comes out, and it will, the anger will be extremely dangerous and those pushing it probably won’t survive.
I was going to write something controversial here but thought better of it.
You should say exactly what is on your mind.
Remember, it is a minority of FAR LEFT LUNATICS and AUTHORITARIANS who influence what happens in the WEST.
They do not have support in the majority of the population.
Climate Change, COVID, and the Ukraine
conflict are not reported authentically.
The establishment, which is EXTREMELY FAR LEFT lies constantly.
When the CRIMINAL BIDEN REGIME is deposed, things will get back to sanity.
When the CRIMINAL BIDEN REGIME is deposed, things will get back to sanity
Optimistic.
Yes, one has to be.
Biden and Clinton will end their days in jail.
Before the Nuremburg trials the Nazis did what they like. But the reckoning day usually comes in the end in a democracy.
Before the Nuremburg trials the Nazis did what they like. But the reckoning day usually comes in the end in a democracy.
They need to deal with people like Gates and Soros as well though to try and stop their lies which they pay the mass media for.
Yes, one has to be.
Biden and Clinton will end their days in jail.
They need to deal with people like Gates and Soros as well though to try and stop their lies which they pay the mass media for.
My fear is that there will be a lot of people out for blood. Young vocal people like Greta will probably still be alive. Rightly or wrongly they will be targeted. Personally I am more a live and let live kinda guy. I can’t see her dying peacefully.
Is she really young. Sometimes she looks like a recycled 90 year old
They have houses in the local school. One of them is called Greta Thunberg. The children are being brought up on this stuff in the schools.
They have houses in the local school. One of them is called Greta Thunberg. The children are being brought up on this stuff in the schools.
Well she is deceived but not wicked. Hopefully she will repent when she understands the damage she is doing.
Is she really young. Sometimes she looks like a recycled 90 year old
Well she is deceived but not wicked. Hopefully she will repent when she understands the damage she is doing.
You are right about everything is lies, especially Ukraine,that’s 90% fake but sadly it’s beyond the point of no return. Someone or something worse is coming after old coffin dodger.
I agree with you but I would say that the people in Ukraine need help. The ones I know in Britain are really nice people who are facing horrific situations because of Russia.
When the CRIMINAL BIDEN REGIME is deposed, things will get back to sanity
Optimistic.
My fear is that there will be a lot of people out for blood. Young vocal people like Greta will probably still be alive. Rightly or wrongly they will be targeted. Personally I am more a live and let live kinda guy. I can’t see her dying peacefully.
You are right about everything is lies, especially Ukraine,that’s 90% fake but sadly it’s beyond the point of no return. Someone or something worse is coming after old coffin dodger.
I agree with you but I would say that the people in Ukraine need help. The ones I know in Britain are really nice people who are facing horrific situations because of Russia.
Lots of people I know now see that I was right and they know at least fuzzily that bad things are being promoted as I do but they say “I just want to look after my family. Im not interested in big politics. We are just ordinary people. We are not the ones they’re after.” Maybe I’d be happier if I didn’t know as im impotent to do anything and like that poem says I’m not out there protesting yet I know that one day they’ll come for me……
Nothing shocks me now. Did you know that Gates gives millions to the BBC and some other UK papers to influence people. Most people hope everything is still the same and cannot bear to dig beneath the surface and investigate. One can begin to recognise the Woke lot after a while. Think Independent and Guardian etc.
You should say exactly what is on your mind.
Remember, it is a minority of FAR LEFT LUNATICS and AUTHORITARIANS who influence what happens in the WEST.
They do not have support in the majority of the population.
Climate Change, COVID, and the Ukraine
conflict are not reported authentically.
The establishment, which is EXTREMELY FAR LEFT lies constantly.
When the CRIMINAL BIDEN REGIME is deposed, things will get back to sanity.
Lots of people I know now see that I was right and they know at least fuzzily that bad things are being promoted as I do but they say “I just want to look after my family. Im not interested in big politics. We are just ordinary people. We are not the ones they’re after.” Maybe I’d be happier if I didn’t know as im impotent to do anything and like that poem says I’m not out there protesting yet I know that one day they’ll come for me……
Nothing shocks me now. Did you know that Gates gives millions to the BBC and some other UK papers to influence people. Most people hope everything is still the same and cannot bear to dig beneath the surface and investigate. One can begin to recognise the Woke lot after a while. Think Independent and Guardian etc.
I think that there is a long way to go before people realise what is going on. Our mainstream media have prepared us well, and continue to do so. The vilification machine is still running in top gear. There is a lot of damage still to be done. Once this all comes out, and it will, the anger will be extremely dangerous and those pushing it probably won’t survive.
I was going to write something controversial here but thought better of it.
In short, it’s Mussolini’s definition of Fascism, adapted for the modern age. Corporatism, in other words.
It’s not hard to see an endgame in which most of us are effectively banned from a meat-based diet with no democratic power to challenge it. But then again that is the primary point of the existence of supranational NGOs: it’s a means of circumventing democracy and imposing democratically impossible measures on people against their will.
The New Testament says that in the last days they will forbid marriage and forbid the eating of meat.
The New Testament says that in the last days they will forbid marriage and forbid the eating of meat.
In short, it’s Mussolini’s definition of Fascism, adapted for the modern age. Corporatism, in other words.
It’s not hard to see an endgame in which most of us are effectively banned from a meat-based diet with no democratic power to challenge it. But then again that is the primary point of the existence of supranational NGOs: it’s a means of circumventing democracy and imposing democratically impossible measures on people against their will.
Excellent essay, Thomas. Very good job joining the dots. But you leave us hanging. So, what can we do? How?
Perhaps we should start by recognising that we do not live in democracies but are ruled by a global superclass of oligarchs who confuse the common good with their own self interest. The only way to fight back is to demand the democratisation of all our institutions.
I don’t know. I fear that might be worse. They’ve dominated the education system so long that here in the U.S., at least, a pretty solid majority will likely vote the rope around their own necks.
We are far more than them. They will do what they want without any resistance from the majority.
I don’t know. I fear that might be worse. They’ve dominated the education system so long that here in the U.S., at least, a pretty solid majority will likely vote the rope around their own necks.
We are far more than them. They will do what they want without any resistance from the majority.
We can press for sensible policies – revert to smaller farms, less hugely expensive machinery, more people, better crops and better environment as a result. Also preserve communities in rural areas and encourage better dietary health. Stop looking after big business just because it is big.
That sounds exactly like French policy ever since they created the EU after WW2. They skewed the rules to keep their traditional ways of life and their old style unprofitable,inefficient family farms because they put their people first back then. Good for them. Macron is trying to convert their society to the (old) USA style that we adopted after WW2 notwithstanding the NHS. And the sensible French won’t have it.
I find that even some of the big banks are going off and pushing policies that will be destructive to the ordinary man in the street.
That sounds exactly like French policy ever since they created the EU after WW2. They skewed the rules to keep their traditional ways of life and their old style unprofitable,inefficient family farms because they put their people first back then. Good for them. Macron is trying to convert their society to the (old) USA style that we adopted after WW2 notwithstanding the NHS. And the sensible French won’t have it.
I find that even some of the big banks are going off and pushing policies that will be destructive to the ordinary man in the street.
Stop voting and stop paying tax.
That will do nothing. No influence on the government by not voting and sitting in prison because of not paying taxes.
That will do nothing. No influence on the government by not voting and sitting in prison because of not paying taxes.
Perhaps we should start by recognising that we do not live in democracies but are ruled by a global superclass of oligarchs who confuse the common good with their own self interest. The only way to fight back is to demand the democratisation of all our institutions.
We can press for sensible policies – revert to smaller farms, less hugely expensive machinery, more people, better crops and better environment as a result. Also preserve communities in rural areas and encourage better dietary health. Stop looking after big business just because it is big.
Stop voting and stop paying tax.
Excellent essay, Thomas. Very good job joining the dots. But you leave us hanging. So, what can we do? How?
A profoundly depressing article!
I am nauseated by the daily torrent of environmentalist propaganda that we are fed through the instruments of the BBC and other media. Much of this is mindless repetition which most people, even ‘intelligent’ individuals, absorb uncritically. As someone once observed (Stalin?), to paraphrase: “If you tell a big lie and repeat it often enough it becomes the received truth!” – especially if the state broadcaster is at the forefront of the brainwashing campaign.
In the UK government policy appears to be more concerned with the mad ‘Net Zero’ project than moving domestic agriculture towards food self-sufficiency for the nation. Better to have ‘wilded’ farms without cattle and reduce beef production for the benefit of wildlife! Let the people eat insects! Councils (bodies of accountable, elected representatives, fell urban trees (most probably because they are mature and have become dangerous in the public realm) and the Woking Class eco-warriors erupt to obtain court injunctions from unaccountable judges, no matter that the councils undertake to plant many new trees. Meanwhile the Doom Goblin is revered and showered with international awards.
Just travel the highways, by-ways and motorways of the UK to witness the huge accumulation of litter chucked out of moving vehicles by our environmentally aware citizens while the Woking Class ruling elite leave the rubbish piling up daily and never seek to arraign and convict these scumbags.
Madness!
The trees are felled usually because they are too costly for us council tax payers to keep trimming. I mean, there’s that big new town hall or other vanity project planned!
There’s a disabled black LGBTQ community group to fund.
They are mostly white actually.
They are mostly white actually.
There’s a disabled black LGBTQ community group to fund.
That’s why I no longer “consume” BBC content. Until about, actually until lockdown happened I believed 80% of the environmental stuff,but then I started to see it all from a different perspective. I hate beavers,scruffy ratty things. Ten years ago I would have bought the myth that they were being introduced to stop extreme flooding but now I see that it’s part of the strategy to reduce viable farmland area. In fact once you start this it gets a bit….well was Badger protection really introduced to protect the critters that were not in danger of dying out,or in order to attack farming as they do act as a reserve for TB just by virtue of natural biology. And it is bitterly funny how the whole British population loves badgers (we do) and is 100% behind the sabs going out in the woods at night doing their best to stop them getting culled if there is one on. Then a miracle,popular petrolhead Jeremy Clarkson turns up on tv and shows us his weeping neighbour and explains how her family is going broke due to her herd of cows being constantly reinfected by TB from the badgers in the woods next to her fields and what a miracle,suddenly I’m reading a myriad of posts saying “why are we allowing our countryside to be full of this diseased wildlife”. It took Jezza to convert “kindly Mr Badgers” to “diseased wildlife”. Brian May,you’re toast.
If JC stopped being a caricature of himself, even more people would follow him. A very astute man.
I never listen to the contaminated BBC news. I will watch sport or things like Gardiners World but I don’t touch their political stuff.
If JC stopped being a caricature of himself, even more people would follow him. A very astute man.
I never listen to the contaminated BBC news. I will watch sport or things like Gardiners World but I don’t touch their political stuff.
I don’t read their twoddle anymore. They say one thing and do another.
The trees are felled usually because they are too costly for us council tax payers to keep trimming. I mean, there’s that big new town hall or other vanity project planned!
That’s why I no longer “consume” BBC content. Until about, actually until lockdown happened I believed 80% of the environmental stuff,but then I started to see it all from a different perspective. I hate beavers,scruffy ratty things. Ten years ago I would have bought the myth that they were being introduced to stop extreme flooding but now I see that it’s part of the strategy to reduce viable farmland area. In fact once you start this it gets a bit….well was Badger protection really introduced to protect the critters that were not in danger of dying out,or in order to attack farming as they do act as a reserve for TB just by virtue of natural biology. And it is bitterly funny how the whole British population loves badgers (we do) and is 100% behind the sabs going out in the woods at night doing their best to stop them getting culled if there is one on. Then a miracle,popular petrolhead Jeremy Clarkson turns up on tv and shows us his weeping neighbour and explains how her family is going broke due to her herd of cows being constantly reinfected by TB from the badgers in the woods next to her fields and what a miracle,suddenly I’m reading a myriad of posts saying “why are we allowing our countryside to be full of this diseased wildlife”. It took Jezza to convert “kindly Mr Badgers” to “diseased wildlife”. Brian May,you’re toast.
I don’t read their twoddle anymore. They say one thing and do another.
A profoundly depressing article!
I am nauseated by the daily torrent of environmentalist propaganda that we are fed through the instruments of the BBC and other media. Much of this is mindless repetition which most people, even ‘intelligent’ individuals, absorb uncritically. As someone once observed (Stalin?), to paraphrase: “If you tell a big lie and repeat it often enough it becomes the received truth!” – especially if the state broadcaster is at the forefront of the brainwashing campaign.
In the UK government policy appears to be more concerned with the mad ‘Net Zero’ project than moving domestic agriculture towards food self-sufficiency for the nation. Better to have ‘wilded’ farms without cattle and reduce beef production for the benefit of wildlife! Let the people eat insects! Councils (bodies of accountable, elected representatives, fell urban trees (most probably because they are mature and have become dangerous in the public realm) and the Woking Class eco-warriors erupt to obtain court injunctions from unaccountable judges, no matter that the councils undertake to plant many new trees. Meanwhile the Doom Goblin is revered and showered with international awards.
Just travel the highways, by-ways and motorways of the UK to witness the huge accumulation of litter chucked out of moving vehicles by our environmentally aware citizens while the Woking Class ruling elite leave the rubbish piling up daily and never seek to arraign and convict these scumbags.
Madness!
all of these ideas are different in principle to reality. If you only model outcomes and then don’t trial you do not become aware of complexities or false assumptions. The biggest losers are the most invisible. It is interesting how quickly Sri Lanka has disappeared from this debate. How do we reset the ability to interpret data, to evaluate evidence and question top down solutions that assume that in Social Policy, dosage isn’t important, that is a good thing in excess leads to worse results than doing nothing and allowing bottom up solutions to emerge.
all of these ideas are different in principle to reality. If you only model outcomes and then don’t trial you do not become aware of complexities or false assumptions. The biggest losers are the most invisible. It is interesting how quickly Sri Lanka has disappeared from this debate. How do we reset the ability to interpret data, to evaluate evidence and question top down solutions that assume that in Social Policy, dosage isn’t important, that is a good thing in excess leads to worse results than doing nothing and allowing bottom up solutions to emerge.
Whatever happened to the “Farm to Table” movement and the desire to consume locally produced food as being the most sustainable option?
I suppose there was little money to be made in that for large corporations.
Whatever happened to the “Farm to Table” movement and the desire to consume locally produced food as being the most sustainable option?
I suppose there was little money to be made in that for large corporations.
Became a hardcore UK prepper in 2018 when the writing was on the financial wall and Governments were displaying signs that they couldn’t be trusted at the lowest levels of Maslow’s hierarchy. It’s actually a great deal of fun and has revealed much about what makes for a good life.
Forced resilience is an emerging trend amongst my friendship group. People can see what’s happening and are taking steps.
Good for you.
Good for you.
Became a hardcore UK prepper in 2018 when the writing was on the financial wall and Governments were displaying signs that they couldn’t be trusted at the lowest levels of Maslow’s hierarchy. It’s actually a great deal of fun and has revealed much about what makes for a good life.
Forced resilience is an emerging trend amongst my friendship group. People can see what’s happening and are taking steps.
Remember that Nestle marketed powdered milk as an alternative to breast milk for babies despite the recognised risks for babies in developing countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Nestl%C3%A9_boycott#:~:text=Advocacy%20groups%20and%20charities%20have,poor%20mothers%20in%20developing%20countries.
What about that other great German invention THALIDOMIDE?
Certainly am improvement on Zyclon B, but really?
Nestle are also robbing communities of their water resources – in order to put it in plastic bottles and sell it to other people.
What about that other great German invention THALIDOMIDE?
Certainly am improvement on Zyclon B, but really?
Nestle are also robbing communities of their water resources – in order to put it in plastic bottles and sell it to other people.
Remember that Nestle marketed powdered milk as an alternative to breast milk for babies despite the recognised risks for babies in developing countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Nestl%C3%A9_boycott#:~:text=Advocacy%20groups%20and%20charities%20have,poor%20mothers%20in%20developing%20countries.
The Dutch prime minister proudly carries his documents in a WEF bag to work every day. He also hosted the so-called Global Coordinating Secretariat and the European Food Innovation Hub at Wageningen Foodvalley in 2021. To quote for the WEF website, these Food Innovation Hubs are partnership platforms that connect across various ecosystem actors to foster partnerships and networks that unlocks investments, stimulates innovation and collectively works to de-bottleneck barriers. Hubs focus on primarily state national or regional level opportunities and are guided by the following principles:
Multistakeholder and inclusive, engaging governments, private sector, innovators, farmer organizations, civil society, international organizations and othersLocally driven and owned and aligned with national and regional goals, strategies and plans and in support of the Sustainable Development GoalsMarket-based, focusing on catalyzing and expanding sustainable and inclusive investments and market-based activitiesNeutral facilitator, playing the role of catalyst and honest brokerAlthough I can’t pretend I fully comprehend the management-speak, it does seem that there is little appetite for including small farmers. The Dutch population is having its own green revolution with the BBB leading the charge and I, for one, wish it a sweeping victory at the next general election in 2025 or, better still, well before that.
The dictators in the past were always violent and brutal types. We are not used to billionaires subtly dictating to us. We need to learn fast in order to combat these people. Gates for instance made billions from vaccines and it is now being proved to have caused a lot of damage.
The dictators in the past were always violent and brutal types. We are not used to billionaires subtly dictating to us. We need to learn fast in order to combat these people. Gates for instance made billions from vaccines and it is now being proved to have caused a lot of damage.
The Dutch prime minister proudly carries his documents in a WEF bag to work every day. He also hosted the so-called Global Coordinating Secretariat and the European Food Innovation Hub at Wageningen Foodvalley in 2021. To quote for the WEF website, these Food Innovation Hubs are partnership platforms that connect across various ecosystem actors to foster partnerships and networks that unlocks investments, stimulates innovation and collectively works to de-bottleneck barriers. Hubs focus on primarily state national or regional level opportunities and are guided by the following principles:
Multistakeholder and inclusive, engaging governments, private sector, innovators, farmer organizations, civil society, international organizations and othersLocally driven and owned and aligned with national and regional goals, strategies and plans and in support of the Sustainable Development GoalsMarket-based, focusing on catalyzing and expanding sustainable and inclusive investments and market-based activitiesNeutral facilitator, playing the role of catalyst and honest brokerAlthough I can’t pretend I fully comprehend the management-speak, it does seem that there is little appetite for including small farmers. The Dutch population is having its own green revolution with the BBB leading the charge and I, for one, wish it a sweeping victory at the next general election in 2025 or, better still, well before that.
As a Canadian I genuinely can’t understand how anyone tolerates being in the EU. Just one look at Ursula Von p***k or whatever the President’s name is – is enough to make you want to run for your life. She looks like a Disney villain. But seriously – at least we can vote that moron Trudeau out of office – you can’t get away from these people.
Are you sure you can vote him out of office? Would not bet on it.
He can fine your bank account if you try anything. Seriously though I trust there is enough democracy left to get rid of him and Biden as well.
He can fine your bank account if you try anything. Seriously though I trust there is enough democracy left to get rid of him and Biden as well.
Doesn’t look to me like you can vote him out.
I voted Brexit because I assumed we had a plan prepared,turns out I was wrong. But there are aspects of the EU that I think we’re lucky to be out of. For now. The idea is to get the whole world on board so maybe we are just postponing it a bit,whatever IT is,but I know it’s not good. BUT the French who co-created the EU put keeping their traditional style farming as a priority and I admire that. I always thought they got it right and now history is proving so.
We haven’t fully had Brexit yet and are still tied in to a lot of agreements that the government don’t have the resolve to release us from. Think fisheries and illegal immigration plus NI still under the EU. There’s no resolve in the Tory party to deal with these things. Brexit will happen when enough vote for Brexit parties like Reform etc.
We haven’t fully had Brexit yet and are still tied in to a lot of agreements that the government don’t have the resolve to release us from. Think fisheries and illegal immigration plus NI still under the EU. There’s no resolve in the Tory party to deal with these things. Brexit will happen when enough vote for Brexit parties like Reform etc.
You need to pray for us.
Are you sure you can vote him out of office? Would not bet on it.
Doesn’t look to me like you can vote him out.
I voted Brexit because I assumed we had a plan prepared,turns out I was wrong. But there are aspects of the EU that I think we’re lucky to be out of. For now. The idea is to get the whole world on board so maybe we are just postponing it a bit,whatever IT is,but I know it’s not good. BUT the French who co-created the EU put keeping their traditional style farming as a priority and I admire that. I always thought they got it right and now history is proving so.
You need to pray for us.
As a Canadian I genuinely can’t understand how anyone tolerates being in the EU. Just one look at Ursula Von p***k or whatever the President’s name is – is enough to make you want to run for your life. She looks like a Disney villain. But seriously – at least we can vote that moron Trudeau out of office – you can’t get away from these people.
“America is facing another Jan. 6”? What? What is this guy talking about? Does he mean the feds are going to stage another for-the-cameras event? Why does he suppose they’ll do that again?
Look, Yuri Bezmenov explained it back in 1984. We are there now: pic.twitter.com/CGkZoplotB
I couldn’t make any sense out of that either. I have no idea what he could possibly be referring to about us facing another Jan 6th.
I couldn’t make any sense out of that either. I have no idea what he could possibly be referring to about us facing another Jan 6th.
“America is facing another Jan. 6”? What? What is this guy talking about? Does he mean the feds are going to stage another for-the-cameras event? Why does he suppose they’ll do that again?
Look, Yuri Bezmenov explained it back in 1984. We are there now: pic.twitter.com/CGkZoplotB
The beauty of this Hermetic Stakeholder formula is that the people that create the shortages are able to reward themselves with more power to resolve them.
Its like a self-fulfilling prophecy with an attached bureacracy of positive reinforcement feedback loops.
The beauty of this Hermetic Stakeholder formula is that the people that create the shortages are able to reward themselves with more power to resolve them.
Its like a self-fulfilling prophecy with an attached bureacracy of positive reinforcement feedback loops.
So what do we do or who do we support/vote for to stop these @x><s from realising their destruction of our society, culture and nation/s?
Simple, really. Take power away from governments. Of course, it will never happen, but that’s the only thing that can change it.
As in Switzerland.
As in Switzerland.
Simple, really. Take power away from governments. Of course, it will never happen, but that’s the only thing that can change it.
So what do we do or who do we support/vote for to stop these @x><s from realising their destruction of our society, culture and nation/s?
The cynic in me thinks this War on Farmers is just like the misguided War on Fossil Fuels. Leftist leaders are making it harder to obtain the FFs needed by the world economy to flourish with drilling, pipeline, refinery restrictions – achieving the green objective of lower CO2 by enforced scarcity. Forced scarcity of food is a logical, if cold-hearted, next step, as it wipes those pesky high CO2 emitting species members.
The cynic in me thinks this War on Farmers is just like the misguided War on Fossil Fuels. Leftist leaders are making it harder to obtain the FFs needed by the world economy to flourish with drilling, pipeline, refinery restrictions – achieving the green objective of lower CO2 by enforced scarcity. Forced scarcity of food is a logical, if cold-hearted, next step, as it wipes those pesky high CO2 emitting species members.
The Great Reset is not about helping the people of the planet to access resources. It is quite the opposite: control of all resources in the hands of the few who will withhold money, food and energy from those who resist them.
Perceptive. Medieval rulers understood that the means of production of food translated into political power. If you can starve the villeins at will, they will naturally tug their forelocks on demand. It’s slightly different today, but the principle is the same. With an overwhelmingly urban population, as to say, 80%, the majority of the UK becomes hostage to ‘food diplomacy’. Or coercion, to put it in more practical terms.
Perceptive. Medieval rulers understood that the means of production of food translated into political power. If you can starve the villeins at will, they will naturally tug their forelocks on demand. It’s slightly different today, but the principle is the same. With an overwhelmingly urban population, as to say, 80%, the majority of the UK becomes hostage to ‘food diplomacy’. Or coercion, to put it in more practical terms.
The Great Reset is not about helping the people of the planet to access resources. It is quite the opposite: control of all resources in the hands of the few who will withhold money, food and energy from those who resist them.
Looks like we need a strongman or two to deal with these delinquent, corrupt dirtbags? Someone like Presidents Putin or Xi? er…. wait a minute. It would be the final irony if urban occidentals were eating sparrows and crickets whilst the Russians and Chinese had chicken and pork. I think that’s what Sun Tzu called “the long ambush” lol
Looks like we need a strongman or two to deal with these delinquent, corrupt dirtbags? Someone like Presidents Putin or Xi? er…. wait a minute. It would be the final irony if urban occidentals were eating sparrows and crickets whilst the Russians and Chinese had chicken and pork. I think that’s what Sun Tzu called “the long ambush” lol
Really good well researched article. More like this please.
Really good well researched article. More like this please.
If they stop growing food what do they expect us to eat? Oh hang on. Suddenly it all makes sense. We can all eat insects instead. https://open.substack.com/pub/lowstatus/p/the-elites-want-to-feed-us-insects?utm_source=direct&r=evzeq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Well there is an overlap between some of the most influential people pushing for depopulation and these policies so wouldn’t be surprised if a cull isn’t part of the plan. The main objective is to preserve the wealth and control of the wealthiest above all. It’s not capitalism, it’s rigged oligarchism. They are way ahead of us in planning for all of this.
Well there is an overlap between some of the most influential people pushing for depopulation and these policies so wouldn’t be surprised if a cull isn’t part of the plan. The main objective is to preserve the wealth and control of the wealthiest above all. It’s not capitalism, it’s rigged oligarchism. They are way ahead of us in planning for all of this.
If they stop growing food what do they expect us to eat? Oh hang on. Suddenly it all makes sense. We can all eat insects instead. https://open.substack.com/pub/lowstatus/p/the-elites-want-to-feed-us-insects?utm_source=direct&r=evzeq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The West is eating itself. Have China, Russia, Iran, India, Brazil, African countries signed up to this EAT nonsense? Of course not, they’re too sensible and focused on their national interest.
Ironically, we may need to encourage farmers to increase their CO2 emissions, not just in order to produce more food themselves but because that’s how we’ll feed the planet’s growing population – “… there are literally hundreds of studies showing that recent and projected increases in carbon dioxide concentration [CO2] can stimulate photosynthesis and the growth and phenology of approximately 90% of all known plant species …”.
Rising Carbon Dioxide and Global Nutrition: Evidence and Action Needed – PMC (nih.gov)
Well played Dougie – we’ve gone from sceptic, to denier and now we have a full on promoter! We need more CO2! Don’t stop there mate.
But Dougie is right. Can you accept empirical truths that conflict with your ideological presuppositions? It would appear not. Take the Netherlands, which has the world’s greatest concentration of glass-houses and is a significant grower and exporter of tomatoes. They pump raw CO2 into these greenhouses in order to stimulate plant growth. 400 ppm is not enough.
Ah yes, that will help the world. Got any more of these empirical truths? I’m making a note of them for the next Just Stop Oil comedy night.
What’s wrong with elevated CO2 levels within a closed loop, which is the process described? The crops grown then become part of a carbon sequestration cycle. Can quite understand why the Just Stop Oil loons would not understand this.
The idea, if you want to believe it, is that there are two types of CO2. The first type is OK because it forms the loop you have described. (Although I’m not clear how that loop would be managed without cheating).
The second type comes from burning fossil fuels, which are separate from any loop. This new burning would depend on planting a lot, lot more trees at a time when deforestation in the Amazon occurs at ever faster rates.
The problem is not the idea but the management of the idea. Everybody is cheating.
The idea, if you want to believe it, is that there are two types of CO2. The first type is OK because it forms the loop you have described. (Although I’m not clear how that loop would be managed without cheating).
The second type comes from burning fossil fuels, which are separate from any loop. This new burning would depend on planting a lot, lot more trees at a time when deforestation in the Amazon occurs at ever faster rates.
The problem is not the idea but the management of the idea. Everybody is cheating.
Robbie, you just don’t get it. I and most people on this site do believe in sorting out the environmental issues. What we don’t believe is that the governments are doing anything.
Although you don’t believe it, the governments have conspired to protect themselves, to make themselves look good. They are going in the wrong direction, primarily by discouraging discussion. Where do you see discussion of such important things? Do PMs avoid flying? Can’t you see it?
If you read this I can point you towards a great TV programme, run by young environmental activists, who will show you what I mean.
What’s wrong with elevated CO2 levels within a closed loop, which is the process described? The crops grown then become part of a carbon sequestration cycle. Can quite understand why the Just Stop Oil loons would not understand this.
Robbie, you just don’t get it. I and most people on this site do believe in sorting out the environmental issues. What we don’t believe is that the governments are doing anything.
Although you don’t believe it, the governments have conspired to protect themselves, to make themselves look good. They are going in the wrong direction, primarily by discouraging discussion. Where do you see discussion of such important things? Do PMs avoid flying? Can’t you see it?
If you read this I can point you towards a great TV programme, run by young environmental activists, who will show you what I mean.
Ah yes, that will help the world. Got any more of these empirical truths? I’m making a note of them for the next Just Stop Oil comedy night.
Here come the Humanbots to repeat bumper sticker platitudes. I miss the days when the Left was intellectual.
But Dougie is right. Can you accept empirical truths that conflict with your ideological presuppositions? It would appear not. Take the Netherlands, which has the world’s greatest concentration of glass-houses and is a significant grower and exporter of tomatoes. They pump raw CO2 into these greenhouses in order to stimulate plant growth. 400 ppm is not enough.
Here come the Humanbots to repeat bumper sticker platitudes. I miss the days when the Left was intellectual.
Well played Dougie – we’ve gone from sceptic, to denier and now we have a full on promoter! We need more CO2! Don’t stop there mate.
The West is eating itself. Have China, Russia, Iran, India, Brazil, African countries signed up to this EAT nonsense? Of course not, they’re too sensible and focused on their national interest.
Ironically, we may need to encourage farmers to increase their CO2 emissions, not just in order to produce more food themselves but because that’s how we’ll feed the planet’s growing population – “… there are literally hundreds of studies showing that recent and projected increases in carbon dioxide concentration [CO2] can stimulate photosynthesis and the growth and phenology of approximately 90% of all known plant species …”.
Rising Carbon Dioxide and Global Nutrition: Evidence and Action Needed – PMC (nih.gov)
Meanwhile the Chinese and Indians continue to build coal fired power stations. The Germans revert to coal and America continues to pay lip service …..
Meanwhile the Chinese and Indians continue to build coal fired power stations. The Germans revert to coal and America continues to pay lip service …..
Yes, a depressing essay to say the least. I wonder how many people in the UK who think they will vote for Rishi Sunak for Conservative Policies or Keir Starmer for labour policies when in fact they don’t actually give a fig about you. They have their orders from on high. This creeping destructivism I have noticed with the vaccine scandal and “Greening” of the Countryside to name but a few. I just wonder how our young progressive social justice warriors we’ve produced realise they have been conned and for them a life of penal servitude awaits.
Yes, a depressing essay to say the least. I wonder how many people in the UK who think they will vote for Rishi Sunak for Conservative Policies or Keir Starmer for labour policies when in fact they don’t actually give a fig about you. They have their orders from on high. This creeping destructivism I have noticed with the vaccine scandal and “Greening” of the Countryside to name but a few. I just wonder how our young progressive social justice warriors we’ve produced realise they have been conned and for them a life of penal servitude awaits.
I want the farmers to respect their livestock and the environment, and produce food to high standards; for that I’m prepared to pay more for my food, and spend a bit less elsewhere. The problem is, that it’s a race to the bottom, and a global free market in food will get us to the bottom very quickly. So, I’m in favour of legislation and controls, and higher prices, etc, so that the farmers can make a living, and the environment is not destroyed in the process.
I want the farmers to respect their livestock and the environment, and produce food to high standards; for that I’m prepared to pay more for my food, and spend a bit less elsewhere. The problem is, that it’s a race to the bottom, and a global free market in food will get us to the bottom very quickly. So, I’m in favour of legislation and controls, and higher prices, etc, so that the farmers can make a living, and the environment is not destroyed in the process.
This antidemocratic WEF roadmap to be imposed on the world population whether it likes it or not has been around for some years. It is based on a vile reductionist and opportunistic combination of arrogant self interest and ideology from a small elite. There are no health or environmental grounds to reduce meat consumption. The result would be childhood malnutrition and stunting on a global scale. Animal manure is the only realistic alternative to reducing fixed nitrate fertilisers, pesticides and fungicides (made from fossil fuels) and regenerating rapidly degrading global soils (a significant cause of biodiversity loss). Those who control land and food control power. This is probably the biggest attempted land grab in world history. Soylent Green has arrived.
This antidemocratic WEF roadmap to be imposed on the world population whether it likes it or not has been around for some years. It is based on a vile reductionist and opportunistic combination of arrogant self interest and ideology from a small elite. There are no health or environmental grounds to reduce meat consumption. The result would be childhood malnutrition and stunting on a global scale. Animal manure is the only realistic alternative to reducing fixed nitrate fertilisers, pesticides and fungicides (made from fossil fuels) and regenerating rapidly degrading global soils (a significant cause of biodiversity loss). Those who control land and food control power. This is probably the biggest attempted land grab in world history. Soylent Green has arrived.
Soylent Green here we come.
Soylent Green here we come.
Excellent and important article. The Dutch political sweep gives hope that – once in a very long while – the political system actually works and a cleanse takes place in favour of new people, actually representing the voters. Now let’s see what can actually be done to stop the orchestrated food shortages and land expropriation because, sadly, I doubt that very many decisions and commitments are in fact made by Parliament but by corporations and the technocracy with their WEF, Wellcome Trust, Gates Foundation Etc who stand to profit.
It is good to see an article about something that is so very important and urgent rather than all the talk about ‘the trans’ issue Etc. I think it common sense that denying biology is silly, that a woman generally does not possess a p***s and that men wanting to read stories to children dressed like a stripper need to be kept away from those children. There, sorted that out.
More of this please!
Excellent and important article. The Dutch political sweep gives hope that – once in a very long while – the political system actually works and a cleanse takes place in favour of new people, actually representing the voters. Now let’s see what can actually be done to stop the orchestrated food shortages and land expropriation because, sadly, I doubt that very many decisions and commitments are in fact made by Parliament but by corporations and the technocracy with their WEF, Wellcome Trust, Gates Foundation Etc who stand to profit.
It is good to see an article about something that is so very important and urgent rather than all the talk about ‘the trans’ issue Etc. I think it common sense that denying biology is silly, that a woman generally does not possess a p***s and that men wanting to read stories to children dressed like a stripper need to be kept away from those children. There, sorted that out.
More of this please!
This farmer has long predicted the Great Progressive Famine. You could see it coming decades ago with the mindless assault on Monsanto’s transformative herbcide, RoundUp, generically described as glyphosate. Simultaneously, Monsanto was demonised for its pioneering work in genetically modified crops. One such deserves particular mention, Bollgard. This is a variety of cotton that has been genetically engineered to have inbuilt resistance to many of the insect pests that attack cotton, and which can only otherwise be defeated with highly toxic pesticides. Some of these pesticides not only work on insects, but on humans, causing serious nerve damage and therefore incapacity in men, women and children in cotton farming communities. For eliminating this problem, Monsanto got pilloried. Dumb, or what?
But now the problem has got worse. Building on this earlier folly, the metropolitan elites with their net-zero obsession and their veganism are set on a path that will dramatically reduce protein production while narrowing its base of production. Contrary to popular wisdom, developing countries are not at risk. The global green writ doesn’t run everywhere and will be utterly ignored on most of the planet. It is the developed nations that will suffer, with their efficient government administrations and effective tax-gathering regimes. Imagine if you will a world in which the EU goes vegan. This results in a concentration of risk comparable to that which pertained in Ireland prior to the potato famine of 1840. EU food production could be concentated into a few cereals, pulses and oilseeds. Having forsworn the use of fertiliser, crop yields naturally decline. Having forsworn the use of pesticides and herbicides, there is no protection from insects and biological crop pests. Harvests will fail. Western populations will no longer suffer from obesity, if they survive. I must grow some corn to supply the popcorn for those who will be able to afford it.
The second paragraph where you basically describe the second coming of Trofim Lysenko makes perfect sense. The first part is a little confusing to the non-agrarian layman.
I can’t tell if or when you’re speaking tongue and cheek about Monsanto who appears to be both an Anti-hero pioneer and a villain.
I think he is pro-Monsanto. My take is than many (younger) people go around blaming Big-Business or Big-Oil as if everything out there is plain evil. In reality, (evil) Monsanto is keeping India going and making a lot of money.
Let me assure you that my description of the positive influence of Monsanto on global agriculture is entirely serious, and not tongue in cheek. They have had a huge positive influence on crop yields through their work on the herbicide glyphosate, while their creation of Bollgard has dramatically reduced the side-effects of pesticides once used to control pests in cotton. Actually worthy of a Nobel award of some kind or other. Critics of Monsanto simply reflect their own ill-informed bias. Sadly, there are plenty of them.
I think he is pro-Monsanto. My take is than many (younger) people go around blaming Big-Business or Big-Oil as if everything out there is plain evil. In reality, (evil) Monsanto is keeping India going and making a lot of money.
Let me assure you that my description of the positive influence of Monsanto on global agriculture is entirely serious, and not tongue in cheek. They have had a huge positive influence on crop yields through their work on the herbicide glyphosate, while their creation of Bollgard has dramatically reduced the side-effects of pesticides once used to control pests in cotton. Actually worthy of a Nobel award of some kind or other. Critics of Monsanto simply reflect their own ill-informed bias. Sadly, there are plenty of them.
The second paragraph where you basically describe the second coming of Trofim Lysenko makes perfect sense. The first part is a little confusing to the non-agrarian layman.
I can’t tell if or when you’re speaking tongue and cheek about Monsanto who appears to be both an Anti-hero pioneer and a villain.
This farmer has long predicted the Great Progressive Famine. You could see it coming decades ago with the mindless assault on Monsanto’s transformative herbcide, RoundUp, generically described as glyphosate. Simultaneously, Monsanto was demonised for its pioneering work in genetically modified crops. One such deserves particular mention, Bollgard. This is a variety of cotton that has been genetically engineered to have inbuilt resistance to many of the insect pests that attack cotton, and which can only otherwise be defeated with highly toxic pesticides. Some of these pesticides not only work on insects, but on humans, causing serious nerve damage and therefore incapacity in men, women and children in cotton farming communities. For eliminating this problem, Monsanto got pilloried. Dumb, or what?
But now the problem has got worse. Building on this earlier folly, the metropolitan elites with their net-zero obsession and their veganism are set on a path that will dramatically reduce protein production while narrowing its base of production. Contrary to popular wisdom, developing countries are not at risk. The global green writ doesn’t run everywhere and will be utterly ignored on most of the planet. It is the developed nations that will suffer, with their efficient government administrations and effective tax-gathering regimes. Imagine if you will a world in which the EU goes vegan. This results in a concentration of risk comparable to that which pertained in Ireland prior to the potato famine of 1840. EU food production could be concentated into a few cereals, pulses and oilseeds. Having forsworn the use of fertiliser, crop yields naturally decline. Having forsworn the use of pesticides and herbicides, there is no protection from insects and biological crop pests. Harvests will fail. Western populations will no longer suffer from obesity, if they survive. I must grow some corn to supply the popcorn for those who will be able to afford it.
This:
“Given the irrational nature of the policy, many protesting farmers believe it can’t simply be blamed on the urbanite “green elites” currently running the Dutch government. They suggest one of the underlying reasons for the move is to squeeze small farmers from the market, allowing them to be bought out by multinational agribusiness giants who recognise the immense value of the country’s land”
Follow the money!
This:
“Given the irrational nature of the policy, many protesting farmers believe it can’t simply be blamed on the urbanite “green elites” currently running the Dutch government. They suggest one of the underlying reasons for the move is to squeeze small farmers from the market, allowing them to be bought out by multinational agribusiness giants who recognise the immense value of the country’s land”
Follow the money!
“The WEF is also a big believer in the need to drastically reduce cattle farming and meat consumption and switch to “alternative proteins”.”
I will not eat the bugs.
“The WEF is also a big believer in the need to drastically reduce cattle farming and meat consumption and switch to “alternative proteins”.”
I will not eat the bugs.
This is nothing new. Some of this globalism is working through the Tory party. Have you noticed how they come out with all the right words but don’t really do anything helpful for the country. They are not helping the farmers, the Fishermen, the Schools, Brexit, N Ireland, married people by undermining marriage and talking about equal marriage. I see no will from the Tory party to do the right thing, no guts, no determination just deceptive words to make it look as if they are doing something.The most dangerous is zero carbon which is taken out of the book of the WEF. This is what will starve our country and bankrupt us in the end. We are taxed to the hilt to produce the zero deception. Me thinks they have not the backbone to do the right thing on many issues but seem obsessed with overcrowding our island. All the signs are there for a massive betrayal.
This is nothing new. Some of this globalism is working through the Tory party. Have you noticed how they come out with all the right words but don’t really do anything helpful for the country. They are not helping the farmers, the Fishermen, the Schools, Brexit, N Ireland, married people by undermining marriage and talking about equal marriage. I see no will from the Tory party to do the right thing, no guts, no determination just deceptive words to make it look as if they are doing something.The most dangerous is zero carbon which is taken out of the book of the WEF. This is what will starve our country and bankrupt us in the end. We are taxed to the hilt to produce the zero deception. Me thinks they have not the backbone to do the right thing on many issues but seem obsessed with overcrowding our island. All the signs are there for a massive betrayal.
That’s a very signficant figure for such a small country, they clearly need reform. Just closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears won’t make it go away.
Well they account for 0.22% of the world’s population so I’m not sure “very significant” is correct. Dragging the country down to the global average would devastate living standards and food security in the Netherlands without reducing global emissions at all, since activities currently taking place in the Netherlands would simply occur elsewhere.
Robbie. Before I down-vote you, please confirm you’re being sarcastic.
It’s quite peculiar that people disagree with this yet if it was a country polluting their rivers in a similar manner no doubt they would get angry about it.
I’ve said it a few times on here recently, the world is on a path to serious problems, but nothing will change, because when it comes to the crunch they prefer low prices, convenience and familiar comforts.
Your children’s children are going to pay a heavy price however.
Do you think the livestock from Holland will simply disappear from the market – that no one will fill the void left the reduced supply? Or do you think the supply will came from some mystical place that produces livestock with no environmental footprint? If it’s cattle, there’s a very good chance Brazil picks up the lack of supply, a country not noted for its strict adherence to pristine environmental practices.
Europe is swimming in over production.
It is not as secure as you think. The Netherlands doesn’t just supply Europe
And the world is dying of starvation.
There have always been people like you.
They wear sandwich boards and holler and preach that the end Is nigh.
I get my staff to do that while I’m down the golf course or fly fishing. Well, that’s if I’ve finished blocking up the M25 for the day.
Love your s***k Robbie, keep punching. Really.
… what? s p u n k replaced with asterisks automatically ? Why?
Love your s***k Robbie, keep punching. Really.
… what? s p u n k replaced with asterisks automatically ? Why?
I get my staff to do that while I’m down the golf course or fly fishing. Well, that’s if I’ve finished blocking up the M25 for the day.
It is not as secure as you think. The Netherlands doesn’t just supply Europe
And the world is dying of starvation.
There have always been people like you.
They wear sandwich boards and holler and preach that the end Is nigh.
Europe is swimming in over production.
Nothing that any of these people do is going to have the slightest effect on global temperatures or carbon emissions. All these policies will achieve is to make the super rich even richer and immiserate everyone else.
Traditional pastoral farming methods as practiced by small farmers are best for the soil and produce the highest quality food.
That is exactly the point of all this.
That is exactly the point of all this.
Your point is clearly correct. (Not sure why so many down ticks.) The article was not necessarily saying everything is fine and we just need to get the busy-body bureaucrats off our backs. Rather, change needs to come in a way that does not simply enrichment global corporations at the expense of the small farmer.
The River Wye is virtually dead thanks to excess chicken excrement.
Also because Welsh Water admitted to pumping raw sewage into the river for 13 minutes.
Also because Welsh Water admitted to pumping raw sewage into the river for 13 minutes.
Thing is tho that it ‘s one thing to say that various reforms are needed, but quite another thing to say that the WEF globalist plutocrats buying out all the world’s small farmers in the name of ‘sustainability’ is really part of the solution. I myself suspect it’s part of the problem. Anyway you are down-voted because you are suspected of being with the other tribe, that’s all.
The children ?
Only because of people like you with your distorted mentality.
Do you think the livestock from Holland will simply disappear from the market – that no one will fill the void left the reduced supply? Or do you think the supply will came from some mystical place that produces livestock with no environmental footprint? If it’s cattle, there’s a very good chance Brazil picks up the lack of supply, a country not noted for its strict adherence to pristine environmental practices.
Nothing that any of these people do is going to have the slightest effect on global temperatures or carbon emissions. All these policies will achieve is to make the super rich even richer and immiserate everyone else.
Traditional pastoral farming methods as practiced by small farmers are best for the soil and produce the highest quality food.
Your point is clearly correct. (Not sure why so many down ticks.) The article was not necessarily saying everything is fine and we just need to get the busy-body bureaucrats off our backs. Rather, change needs to come in a way that does not simply enrichment global corporations at the expense of the small farmer.
The River Wye is virtually dead thanks to excess chicken excrement.
Thing is tho that it ‘s one thing to say that various reforms are needed, but quite another thing to say that the WEF globalist plutocrats buying out all the world’s small farmers in the name of ‘sustainability’ is really part of the solution. I myself suspect it’s part of the problem. Anyway you are down-voted because you are suspected of being with the other tribe, that’s all.
The children ?
Only because of people like you with your distorted mentality.
It’s quite peculiar that people disagree with this yet if it was a country polluting their rivers in a similar manner no doubt they would get angry about it.
I’ve said it a few times on here recently, the world is on a path to serious problems, but nothing will change, because when it comes to the crunch they prefer low prices, convenience and familiar comforts.
Your children’s children are going to pay a heavy price however.
Once again, if you want to reduce carbon emissions then you invest in 100% nuclear power. Cheap, clean, abundant energy is the solution. Everything else is a Munchausen proxy for groups who gain power and influence by telling us the world is ill, and that only cult-like behaviours like veganism can solve it.
Precisely the opinion of the late James Ephraim Lovelock CH CBE FRS (26 July 1919 – 26 July 2022)*author of the ‘Green Bible’ otherwise known as the GAIA Hypothesis.
No doubt his advocacy of Nuclear Power denied him the Knighthood he so richly deserved.
(* NOT a mistake, he died on his 103rd Birthday!)
You’re right about nuclear power. Veganism has nothing to do with climate change however, not sure how you arrived there.
Vegans constantly tell us that meat eating is a major factor in climate change.
I think you and Saul D mean vegetarians, but tbh they are right about meat production.
I think you and Saul D mean vegetarians, but tbh they are right about meat production.
Climate change?
That natural phenomenon that has been occurring ever since the earth had
an atmosphere?
No, that’s just ‘the weather’.
Yes, the coldest winter since the 1960s, snow in the Maghreb in Aoril, that is only weather. One hot week in July and it is climate change.
Exactly.
It was about 4 days, I recall.
The bedwetters were screaming that a few hot days in the summer, proved AGW was real.
Exactly.
It was about 4 days, I recall.
The bedwetters were screaming that a few hot days in the summer, proved AGW was real.
Notice the gentleman’s logic: There has always been climate change, therefore we can ignore any human contributions to it. Sorta like saying: “There has always been death, therefore it no issue if I kill you.”
I didn’t say we can ignore any human contribution to climate change.
DON’T YOU DARE TO TRY AND PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
As 97% of CO2 is of natural origin any contribution by mankind is negligible.
Do some research.
CO2 greens the planet.
The rise in temperature is tiny.
Anthropogenic global warming is
non-existant.
it a a ruse to enslave all of humanity by driving up energy costs and imposing
A global communist government,
CCP style.
Try some reading:
FALSE ALARM
How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions
Hurts The Poor And Fails to Fix The Planet.
Author: BJORN LOMBOURG.
One would have thought that people like you might have learned something from the COVID scam, but I suppose
sheep remain sheep.
The AGW notion is a massive lie and
nothing to do with CO2, temperature or climate.
It is about fleecing the public and about control. Wake up.
Ooof. Not just a sceptic, but a real life genuine denier! I didn’t know there were any left that ventured beyond the walls of the local Conservative lcub.
A Climate Realist.
I follow the science not the JUNK SCIENCE of the IPCC.
I have NEVER voted Conservative in my life.
People like you are brainwashed useful idiots.
You clearly learned NOTHING from the scam that was the COOF.
You brainwashed sheep.
A Climate Realist.
I follow the science not the JUNK SCIENCE of the IPCC.
I have NEVER voted Conservative in my life.
People like you are brainwashed useful idiots.
You clearly learned NOTHING from the scam that was the COOF.
You brainwashed sheep.
Ooof. Not just a sceptic, but a real life genuine denier! I didn’t know there were any left that ventured beyond the walls of the local Conservative lcub.
I didn’t say we can ignore any human contribution to climate change.
DON’T YOU DARE TO TRY AND PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
As 97% of CO2 is of natural origin any contribution by mankind is negligible.
Do some research.
CO2 greens the planet.
The rise in temperature is tiny.
Anthropogenic global warming is
non-existant.
it a a ruse to enslave all of humanity by driving up energy costs and imposing
A global communist government,
CCP style.
Try some reading:
FALSE ALARM
How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions
Hurts The Poor And Fails to Fix The Planet.
Author: BJORN LOMBOURG.
One would have thought that people like you might have learned something from the COVID scam, but I suppose
sheep remain sheep.
The AGW notion is a massive lie and
nothing to do with CO2, temperature or climate.
It is about fleecing the public and about control. Wake up.
Yes, the coldest winter since the 1960s, snow in the Maghreb in Aoril, that is only weather. One hot week in July and it is climate change.
Notice the gentleman’s logic: There has always been climate change, therefore we can ignore any human contributions to it. Sorta like saying: “There has always been death, therefore it no issue if I kill you.”
No, that’s just ‘the weather’.
Vegans constantly tell us that meat eating is a major factor in climate change.
Climate change?
That natural phenomenon that has been occurring ever since the earth had
an atmosphere?
Precisely the opinion of the late James Ephraim Lovelock CH CBE FRS (26 July 1919 – 26 July 2022)*author of the ‘Green Bible’ otherwise known as the GAIA Hypothesis.
No doubt his advocacy of Nuclear Power denied him the Knighthood he so richly deserved.
(* NOT a mistake, he died on his 103rd Birthday!)
You’re right about nuclear power. Veganism has nothing to do with climate change however, not sure how you arrived there.
What are the figures for Devon?
There’s a lot of methane coming out of Devon Charles.
Yes I thought there was, and not just bovine.
Yes I thought there was, and not just bovine.
There’s a lot of methane coming out of Devon Charles.
The Netherlands is the 2nd largest exporter of agricultural products.
The world needs food.
Everyone needs food, whether they
be rich or poor.
What is YOUR solution, Robbie K ?
Your misanthropic and Doomsday attitude doesn’t help anyone.
Humanity must embrace change in a controlled manner and make the socio-economic sacrifices in order to achieve this at an international level, with global agreement. It’s noble for individual nations to have targets and policies, but as pointed out by others above, it will be futile if big polluters carry on redardless.
The problem with this of course is it won’t happen.
Our greatest hope if for technical solutions (to climate change) and a huge shift to nuclear power in the time being.
“Humanity must embrace change in a controlled manner”
Or perhaps we could get away from the idea that infinite growth is good? It is quite ironic that nitrogen ‘pollution’ is actually a fertilizer in small amounts. As is pig shit and various other mega-globalist agribusiness wastes. Small farms turn those problems into solutions but no, the globalists have another agenda.
Small and mid sized farms were promoted for sustainability development under Agenda 21, which was the previous United Nations project that just kinda got lost somewhere down the line. No doubt sucked into the void by economies of scale and BOGOF deals on chickens and milk sold as loss leaders.
But there’s no point blaming big business, we’re all to blame. Unless you are Tom and Barbara Goode. Mmm Barbara.
No, we are not to blame.
No, we are not to blame.
Small and mid sized farms were promoted for sustainability development under Agenda 21, which was the previous United Nations project that just kinda got lost somewhere down the line. No doubt sucked into the void by economies of scale and BOGOF deals on chickens and milk sold as loss leaders.
But there’s no point blaming big business, we’re all to blame. Unless you are Tom and Barbara Goode. Mmm Barbara.
What do you do if people refuse to have nuclear power stations near to their towns? Force them at gunpoint?
You’re one crazy dude Chris.
I might be crazy but I don’t answer to the names ‘dude’ or ‘boomer’. Person would be OK.
I might be crazy but I don’t answer to the names ‘dude’ or ‘boomer’. Person would be OK.
You’re one crazy dude Chris.
Let’s just one thing clear; CO2 is not a polluant
Anthropogenic Climate change is a NON-EXISTANT problem.
There is NO science behind it.
Only JUNK SCIENCE supports it.
Awwww D, this is all the evidence you will ever need:
Link (safe)
You have no grasp of what evidence actually is.
You have no grasp of what evidence actually is.
Awwww D, this is all the evidence you will ever need:
Link (safe)
The problem with this is the poor and working class suffer much more disproportionately. The rich carry on as if nothing has changed.
In other words, people have to die. If that means by starvation, well, that’s just too bad for them, right?
People are already starving from the effects of climate change in places like sub Saharan Africa. I don’t suppose the Netherlands will be exporting to there though.
Here you go again. You are taking the decision on yourself to say that people are equal everywhere, so there could be some collateral damage, but there ya’ go. Sort of working day Clint Eastwood. That is a disrespectful attitude.
You have to see. It’s not that people don’t respect the environment but that they don’t trust the governments. I have a great TV programme for you to watch. Actually being aired this month.
This is so dishonest or grossly uninformed it’s laughable. Global food production has increased across the globe.
It’s nothing to with climate change.
Climate is a normal and natural phenomenon.
Here you go again. You are taking the decision on yourself to say that people are equal everywhere, so there could be some collateral damage, but there ya’ go. Sort of working day Clint Eastwood. That is a disrespectful attitude.
You have to see. It’s not that people don’t respect the environment but that they don’t trust the governments. I have a great TV programme for you to watch. Actually being aired this month.
This is so dishonest or grossly uninformed it’s laughable. Global food production has increased across the globe.
It’s nothing to with climate change.
Climate is a normal and natural phenomenon.
People are already starving from the effects of climate change in places like sub Saharan Africa. I don’t suppose the Netherlands will be exporting to there though.
It won’t happen because of governments, not because of people.
“Humanity must embrace change in a controlled manner”
Or perhaps we could get away from the idea that infinite growth is good? It is quite ironic that nitrogen ‘pollution’ is actually a fertilizer in small amounts. As is pig shit and various other mega-globalist agribusiness wastes. Small farms turn those problems into solutions but no, the globalists have another agenda.
What do you do if people refuse to have nuclear power stations near to their towns? Force them at gunpoint?
Let’s just one thing clear; CO2 is not a polluant
Anthropogenic Climate change is a NON-EXISTANT problem.
There is NO science behind it.
Only JUNK SCIENCE supports it.
The problem with this is the poor and working class suffer much more disproportionately. The rich carry on as if nothing has changed.
In other words, people have to die. If that means by starvation, well, that’s just too bad for them, right?
It won’t happen because of governments, not because of people.
Now you’ve got to the fruit of the coconut. “Not helping anyone.”
Humanity must embrace change in a controlled manner and make the socio-economic sacrifices in order to achieve this at an international level, with global agreement. It’s noble for individual nations to have targets and policies, but as pointed out by others above, it will be futile if big polluters carry on redardless.
The problem with this of course is it won’t happen.
Our greatest hope if for technical solutions (to climate change) and a huge shift to nuclear power in the time being.
Now you’ve got to the fruit of the coconut. “Not helping anyone.”
Well they account for 0.22% of the world’s population so I’m not sure “very significant” is correct. Dragging the country down to the global average would devastate living standards and food security in the Netherlands without reducing global emissions at all, since activities currently taking place in the Netherlands would simply occur elsewhere.
Robbie. Before I down-vote you, please confirm you’re being sarcastic.
Once again, if you want to reduce carbon emissions then you invest in 100% nuclear power. Cheap, clean, abundant energy is the solution. Everything else is a Munchausen proxy for groups who gain power and influence by telling us the world is ill, and that only cult-like behaviours like veganism can solve it.
What are the figures for Devon?
The Netherlands is the 2nd largest exporter of agricultural products.
The world needs food.
Everyone needs food, whether they
be rich or poor.
What is YOUR solution, Robbie K ?
Your misanthropic and Doomsday attitude doesn’t help anyone.
That’s a very signficant figure for such a small country, they clearly need reform. Just closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears won’t make it go away.