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Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

And Biden wants regime change. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking to believe the demise of Putin will usher in a golden era of democracy in Russia.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Not democracy for sure. I’m not even sure I’d even want Biden’s idea of democracy. But Putin can’t change direction. New people can at least change something without losing face.

Andy E
Andy E
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

“New people” idea gives me shivers. Mr Putin is moderate compared to Mr Evil (oops, Dr Evil). At least he does not want to take over the world, like for example, Mr Trotsky or Mr H. did. The next guy might go for it. Be careful about your wishes.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy E

Take your point but then every comment becomes a flat negative. I am seeing plenty of negatives but no ideas.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy E

Well said, in connection with which try googling Nikolai Patrushev if you want to make your flesh creep.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy E

Take your point but then every comment becomes a flat negative. I am seeing plenty of negatives but no ideas.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy E

Well said, in connection with which try googling Nikolai Patrushev if you want to make your flesh creep.

Andy E
Andy E
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

“New people” idea gives me shivers. Mr Putin is moderate compared to Mr Evil (oops, Dr Evil). At least he does not want to take over the world, like for example, Mr Trotsky or Mr H. did. The next guy might go for it. Be careful about your wishes.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

And Putin wants regime change. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking to believe the demise of Biden will usher in a golden era of democracy in America.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Not democracy for sure. I’m not even sure I’d even want Biden’s idea of democracy. But Putin can’t change direction. New people can at least change something without losing face.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

And Putin wants regime change. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking to believe the demise of Biden will usher in a golden era of democracy in America.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

And Biden wants regime change. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking to believe the demise of Putin will usher in a golden era of democracy in Russia.

Martin Logan
Martin Logan
1 year ago

As with any Real Russian (just a new iteration of the old “Soviet Man”), people like Putin, Prigozhin and Girkin fear and despise one another.
Their character was fixed centuries ago, in the time of Ivan the Dread: they grudgingly serve those above–and hate and abuse anyone below. They only refrain from killing one another now because of an all-powerful, “infallible” leader.
But when Putin goes, Russia turns into a barrel-full of starving rats.
Just how many in that unhappy land will then survive is anyone’s guess.

Ray Zacek
Ray Zacek
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Logan

Starving rats with nukes. A nightmare no sane mind could conjure.

Martin Logan
Martin Logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Zacek

So is Putin our one and only Saviour?
And any disloyalty on our part is impermissible?

Martin Logan
Martin Logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Zacek

So is Putin our one and only Saviour?
And any disloyalty on our part is impermissible?

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Logan

There’s a not an entirely self-interested reason why the West has often propped up dictators: the best of a bad bunch.

After all, in the West’s finest hour, the largest mass murderer in modern history was our ally and despite a nuclear balance entirely in its favour, the West chose to let him keep the country he had invaded alongside the Nazis that was the trigger for WW2.

Ray Zacek
Ray Zacek
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Logan

Starving rats with nukes. A nightmare no sane mind could conjure.

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Logan

There’s a not an entirely self-interested reason why the West has often propped up dictators: the best of a bad bunch.

After all, in the West’s finest hour, the largest mass murderer in modern history was our ally and despite a nuclear balance entirely in its favour, the West chose to let him keep the country he had invaded alongside the Nazis that was the trigger for WW2.

Martin Logan
Martin Logan
1 year ago

As with any Real Russian (just a new iteration of the old “Soviet Man”), people like Putin, Prigozhin and Girkin fear and despise one another.
Their character was fixed centuries ago, in the time of Ivan the Dread: they grudgingly serve those above–and hate and abuse anyone below. They only refrain from killing one another now because of an all-powerful, “infallible” leader.
But when Putin goes, Russia turns into a barrel-full of starving rats.
Just how many in that unhappy land will then survive is anyone’s guess.

Andy E
Andy E
1 year ago

“they will look to those ultra-patriots that stayed around”
Exactly. Mr Putin’s approval is 80% but the disapproving 20% are not necessarily come from pro-Western. Some percentage can be from those who think he is too soft.

Andy E
Andy E
1 year ago

“they will look to those ultra-patriots that stayed around”
Exactly. Mr Putin’s approval is 80% but the disapproving 20% are not necessarily come from pro-Western. Some percentage can be from those who think he is too soft.

Lisa I
Lisa I
1 year ago

The adoption of liberalism and democracy in the 90’s coincided with economic collapse and lawlessness. Unfortunately that’s led to russian disdain for them.
It could be a couple of generations before they join the rest of Europe (politically).

Last edited 1 year ago by Lisa I
Lisa I
Lisa I
1 year ago

The adoption of liberalism and democracy in the 90’s coincided with economic collapse and lawlessness. Unfortunately that’s led to russian disdain for them.
It could be a couple of generations before they join the rest of Europe (politically).

Last edited 1 year ago by Lisa I
Martin Logan
Martin Logan
1 year ago

Relax.
This will be a re-run of 1917. It will all be domestic. Don’t flatter yourself that anyone in the West will be uppermost in the mind of any Russian.
Even the Bolsheviks’ desire for world revolution went on hold while they battled their various enemies. During Civil Wars, the very last thing any of the combatants thinks of is picking a fight with foreigners.
They hate one another far too much.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Logan

Foch should have left Hoffmann to finish the job.
It wouldn’t have taken much.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Logan

Foch should have left Hoffmann to finish the job.
It wouldn’t have taken much.

Martin Logan
Martin Logan
1 year ago

Relax.
This will be a re-run of 1917. It will all be domestic. Don’t flatter yourself that anyone in the West will be uppermost in the mind of any Russian.
Even the Bolsheviks’ desire for world revolution went on hold while they battled their various enemies. During Civil Wars, the very last thing any of the combatants thinks of is picking a fight with foreigners.
They hate one another far too much.