The Babylon Bee started a GoFundMe to raise money to add the heads and stuff.
Jim Jam
1 year ago
Thanks. Great read.
I can’t actually recall the last time some modern architecture or art was unveiled that would even come close in my mind to being regarded as beautiful. This latest offering is no exception.
This and most other ‘works’ are not just ugly, but exhibit a sort of anti-beauty; a highjacking of aesthetics so overt one is left wondering whether their purpose is to deliberately provoke – that or to crush the spirits of those unfortunate enough to regularly endure their prescence. Or maybe it’s a tactic – unconscious or otherwise – to warp the public’s sensibilities right down to the primordal conception of beauty; a ghastly (and hopefully futile) quest for ultimate control down to subliminal thinking.
Or maybe its more simple. Maybe the artworld – and especially those with the power to decide what and what isn’t worthy of exhibition – are simply deviod of taste or otherwise more than happy to subordinate beauty to whatever political message that this new art represents so long, of course, it tallies with their own hideously lopsided view of the world.
Either way, I’m increasingly of the opinion that ‘progress’ – whether it be in art or in any number of fields is not progress in slightest, but a dark march backwards.
I quite agree with you, and see this a lot in real estate/construction as well (my field). Some of the modern buildings are so ugly that they give the impression they were designed that way as a deliberate form of perversity. In addition, many are profoundly anti-human in a lot of respects; scale, balance etc.
There’s seems to more to it than just the profit motive — stuffing as many saleable units into this tower as possible, up to the max allowable height restrictions, that’s an expected approach for a developer — but some of these designs are so aggressively, startlingly ugly that it feels one must go quite out of the way to arrive at such a design.
In Victoria (in London, SW1) they put up the Nova building a few years back, which was crowned ugliest building in the UK. I assure you, it’s a deserving winner. Naturally many mod-ish types popped up to give comment in the Guardian etc explaining that actually it was a very good example of brutalism (almost as though the average man was too stupid to appreciate that this ugly thing was really very beautiful indeed, natch). Well, two points on that:
— Surely beauty should not be a riddle wrapped in an enigma, such that we have to tilt our heads sideways and read an accompanying explanatory note to actually see it?
— It may well be a decent example of the brutalist style. But did anyone ask the locals if they would like to be brutalised by the architecture?
It honestly makes me sad every time I go past it, especially since it’s dominating scale means it now overshadows a whole chunk of Victoria, and thousands of people now live/work/walk in the shadows of it’s grim form. To place such a monstrosity among the Regency/Victorian splendour displayed across SW1 is akin to architectural vandalism, in my view. Perverse and aggressive.
This perversion is reflected in fashion as well; Muiccia Prada, who is a fabulous talent in many ways, has also pushed the idea of ‘ugly is beautiful’. It’s all to be provocative, high-minded etc. And of course many fashion designers have followed suit. When was the last time you walked down the street and thought people looked nice or well-dressed? Not for decades….we’d have to go back to Christian Dior in the 1950’s.
Very true. And a shame that Muiccia is also kind of eroding the legacy of her own family’s iconic fashion brand.
Miu Miu’s aesthetic is deliberately ill fitting and unfinished, which is quite at odds with Prada’s legacy ethos.
Very true. And a shame that Muiccia is also kind of eroding the legacy of her own family’s iconic fashion brand.
Miu Miu’s aesthetic is deliberately ill fitting and unfinished, which is quite at odds with Prada’s legacy ethos.
Have you ever toured around one of the former eastern block countries? Now there is architecture that is an order of magnitude or two worse than anything I’ve seen in the west (yet). One city in Croatia in particular has an astonishing range, from a spectacular Roman Coliseum all the way down to the most grotesque concrete block high rises.
I find Berlin to be like that. You almost get whiplash from the juxtaposition of these magnificently ornate and artistic period buildings, punctuated by extremely oppressive Soviet-era housing blocks.
I find Berlin to be like that. You almost get whiplash from the juxtaposition of these magnificently ornate and artistic period buildings, punctuated by extremely oppressive Soviet-era housing blocks.
Firstly, ‘The Nova’ has nothing to do with “Brutalism”- a specific architectural style of the ’50s and ’60s, involving raw materials (usually concrete) and the idea of ‘form following function’. The Nova features neither of these- it’s just contemporary slick corporate ‘architecture as icon’.
Secondly, the dreaded Guardian’s chief architecture critic wrote an article at the time of its unveiling titled “A bright, preening cockerel crowned Britain’s ugliest building”, saying that it “embodies the sort of overblown crystaline lumps in vogue on designers’ drawing boards a decade ago.” Nothing there tormenting your notional “average man”.
So, yes, I agree it’s certainly a dismal piece of architecture, but your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it is lazy.
John, the Guardian only took a pop at Nova after it was nominated for ugliest building, just so you know.
Also, not me that called it brutalist, that was the commentariat at the time this was all a buzz – about 5 years ago.
What do you mean by “your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it”? …
Am I not free to make a comment about beauty in architecture, in reply to this article about beauty in art?
By “the standard unHerd culture wars spin”, I mean taking a piece of bad commercial architecture, the product of multinational developers making as much money as quickly as possible in an under-regulated system of cheap, badly-designed London development, and somehow making it about the Guardian and some putative cultural oppression of the “average man” by a sneering ‘elite’.
As for the “commentariat” (and who the hell are they, exactly? I assume that must include you, as a commenter) calling it “brutalist”- if ‘they’ did, they were wrong, so why say it again? It’s the opposite of brutalist- slick, shiny, corporate, and designed to look smart on a marketing website.
Anyway, we agree that it’s awful.
By “the standard unHerd culture wars spin”, I mean taking a piece of bad commercial architecture, the product of multinational developers making as much money as quickly as possible in an under-regulated system of cheap, badly-designed London development, and somehow making it about the Guardian and some putative cultural oppression of the “average man” by a sneering ‘elite’.
As for the “commentariat” (and who the hell are they, exactly? I assume that must include you, as a commenter) calling it “brutalist”- if ‘they’ did, they were wrong, so why say it again? It’s the opposite of brutalist- slick, shiny, corporate, and designed to look smart on a marketing website.
Anyway, we agree that it’s awful.
John, the Guardian only took a pop at Nova after it was nominated for ugliest building, just so you know.
Also, not me that called it brutalist, that was the commentariat at the time this was all a buzz – about 5 years ago.
What do you mean by “your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it”? …
Am I not free to make a comment about beauty in architecture, in reply to this article about beauty in art?
This perversion is reflected in fashion as well; Muiccia Prada, who is a fabulous talent in many ways, has also pushed the idea of ‘ugly is beautiful’. It’s all to be provocative, high-minded etc. And of course many fashion designers have followed suit. When was the last time you walked down the street and thought people looked nice or well-dressed? Not for decades….we’d have to go back to Christian Dior in the 1950’s.
Have you ever toured around one of the former eastern block countries? Now there is architecture that is an order of magnitude or two worse than anything I’ve seen in the west (yet). One city in Croatia in particular has an astonishing range, from a spectacular Roman Coliseum all the way down to the most grotesque concrete block high rises.
Firstly, ‘The Nova’ has nothing to do with “Brutalism”- a specific architectural style of the ’50s and ’60s, involving raw materials (usually concrete) and the idea of ‘form following function’. The Nova features neither of these- it’s just contemporary slick corporate ‘architecture as icon’.
Secondly, the dreaded Guardian’s chief architecture critic wrote an article at the time of its unveiling titled “A bright, preening cockerel crowned Britain’s ugliest building”, saying that it “embodies the sort of overblown crystaline lumps in vogue on designers’ drawing boards a decade ago.” Nothing there tormenting your notional “average man”.
So, yes, I agree it’s certainly a dismal piece of architecture, but your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it is lazy.
In general I agree and was thus mightily surprised when the Prince brothers unveiled the statue to their mother, Diana, which was out and out figurative.
Did you know that it’s a statistical fact that there’s a direct correlation between the intelligence of a comment and the number of exclamation marks it contains?!!!!!!!!!
Did you know that it’s a statistical fact that there’s a direct correlation between the intelligence of a comment and the number of exclamation marks it contains?!!!!!!!!!
I quite agree with you, and see this a lot in real estate/construction as well (my field). Some of the modern buildings are so ugly that they give the impression they were designed that way as a deliberate form of perversity. In addition, many are profoundly anti-human in a lot of respects; scale, balance etc.
There’s seems to more to it than just the profit motive — stuffing as many saleable units into this tower as possible, up to the max allowable height restrictions, that’s an expected approach for a developer — but some of these designs are so aggressively, startlingly ugly that it feels one must go quite out of the way to arrive at such a design.
In Victoria (in London, SW1) they put up the Nova building a few years back, which was crowned ugliest building in the UK. I assure you, it’s a deserving winner. Naturally many mod-ish types popped up to give comment in the Guardian etc explaining that actually it was a very good example of brutalism (almost as though the average man was too stupid to appreciate that this ugly thing was really very beautiful indeed, natch). Well, two points on that:
— Surely beauty should not be a riddle wrapped in an enigma, such that we have to tilt our heads sideways and read an accompanying explanatory note to actually see it?
— It may well be a decent example of the brutalist style. But did anyone ask the locals if they would like to be brutalised by the architecture?
It honestly makes me sad every time I go past it, especially since it’s dominating scale means it now overshadows a whole chunk of Victoria, and thousands of people now live/work/walk in the shadows of it’s grim form. To place such a monstrosity among the Regency/Victorian splendour displayed across SW1 is akin to architectural vandalism, in my view. Perverse and aggressive.
In general I agree and was thus mightily surprised when the Prince brothers unveiled the statue to their mother, Diana, which was out and out figurative.
To your point about ‘beauty’; It is eternal and art works which endure throughout time are those which remain in the public’s imagination and heart.
Jim Jam
1 year ago
Thanks. Great read.
I can’t actually recall the last time some modern architecture or art was unveiled that would even come close in my mind to being regarded as beautiful. This latest offering is no exception.
This and most other ‘works’ are not just ugly, but exhibit a sort of anti-beauty; a highjacking of aesthetics so overt one is left wondering whether their purpose is to deliberately provoke – that or to crush the spirits of those unfortunate enough to regularly endure their prescence. Or maybe it’s a tactic – unconscious or otherwise – to warp the public’s sensibilities right down to the primordal conception of beauty; a ghastly (and hopefully futile) quest for ultimate control down to subliminal thinking.
Or maybe its more simple. Maybe the artworld – and especially those with the power to decide what and what isn’t worthy of exhibition – are simply deviod of taste or otherwise more than happy to subordinate beauty to whatever political message that this new art represents so long, of course, it tallies with their own hideously lopsided view of the world.
Either way, I’m increasingly of the opinion that ‘progress’ – whether it be in art or in any number of fields is not progress in slightest, but a dark march backwards.
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Richard Parker
1 year ago
Excellent essay: no surprise, of course. As Orwell said a long time ago, worthwhile art doesn’t derive from committees or the party line.
As an aside, does anyone (even at the Grauniad) take any of Afua Hirsch’s jeremiads in any way seriously? (I only ask because she was cited in the essay.)
Ah, but to whom? She is precisely what it is admired today. The more buffoonish and blindingly ignorant one is, the more they are admired in a society that “…offers bureaucratic compassion via algorithmic taxonomies of “intersecting” victimhood.”
Still, 80 years ago people were being gassed to death in their millions, so things aren’t that bad, eh? It’s always handy to keep things in perspective.
Still, 80 years ago people were being gassed to death in their millions, so things aren’t that bad, eh? It’s always handy to keep things in perspective.
Ah, but to whom? She is precisely what it is admired today. The more buffoonish and blindingly ignorant one is, the more they are admired in a society that “…offers bureaucratic compassion via algorithmic taxonomies of “intersecting” victimhood.”
Excellent essay: no surprise, of course. As Orwell said a long time ago, worthwhile art doesn’t derive from committees or the party line.
As an aside, does anyone (even at the Grauniad) take any of Afua Hirsch’s jeremiads in any way seriously? (I only ask because she was cited in the essay.)
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
Rather than “The Embrace”, the statue should be called “The Reach Around”.
Those who wish to see it removed can take heart from the fact that it won’t be long before MLK is cancelled by the Woko Haram cult and this statue is toppled anyway.
Dr King’s dream of a future where people are judged according to their character rather than the colour of their skin is directly contradicted by the current activist mentality, that insists that you are defined, as a person, solely by the groups to which you belong, and where that group sits on the ‘hierarchy of oppression’ org-chart.
Such are the grisly identity politics of grievance – I guess they’ll get the monuments they deserve. Though Dr King and the genuine Civil Rights Movement deserved so much better.
Yah no. He’s reached saint status here. That won’t happen, he wasn’t conservative. At most they will ignore him.
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
Rather than “The Embrace”, the statue should be called “The Reach Around”.
Those who wish to see it removed can take heart from the fact that it won’t be long before MLK is cancelled by the Woko Haram cult and this statue is toppled anyway.
Dr King’s dream of a future where people are judged according to their character rather than the colour of their skin is directly contradicted by the current activist mentality, that insists that you are defined, as a person, solely by the groups to which you belong, and where that group sits on the ‘hierarchy of oppression’ org-chart.
Such are the grisly identity politics of grievance – I guess they’ll get the monuments they deserve. Though Dr King and the genuine Civil Rights Movement deserved so much better.
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Steve Murray
1 year ago
Whilst another impressive dissection (no pun intended) by Mary, what i found most valuable was the link she provides at the end of the fourth paragraph to a previous article written about her experiences at Oxford and subsequently, and how they’ve shaped her ability to engage with the world in a way which moves us forward, but at the same time away from being “progressive”.
To anyone who’s not already familiar with it, i’d highly recommend it. It’ll certainly bring greater context to her pieces on Unherd.
As it happens “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world for any type of created object, as if “painting” or “sculpture” were too oppressive a description. One might almost say, that it’s an attempt to break the old definitions into pieces, but with this sculpture the pieces are both anatomical and semiotic.
“As it happens, “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world”.
About seventy years ago, perhaps. And you must find the new-fangled term ‘a piece of music’- as in “Schubert wrote this piece shortly after moving to Zseliz”- terrifying in its Woke deconstructivism.
“As it happens, “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world”.
About seventy years ago, perhaps. And you must find the new-fangled term ‘a piece of music’- as in “Schubert wrote this piece shortly after moving to Zseliz”- terrifying in its Woke deconstructivism.
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Whilst another impressive dissection (no pun intended) by Mary, what i found most valuable was the link she provides at the end of the fourth paragraph to a previous article written about her experiences at Oxford and subsequently, and how they’ve shaped her ability to engage with the world in a way which moves us forward, but at the same time away from being “progressive”.
To anyone who’s not already familiar with it, i’d highly recommend it. It’ll certainly bring greater context to her pieces on Unherd.
As it happens “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world for any type of created object, as if “painting” or “sculpture” were too oppressive a description. One might almost say, that it’s an attempt to break the old definitions into pieces, but with this sculpture the pieces are both anatomical and semiotic.
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Michael Friedman
1 year ago
Brilliant (as usual).
Michael Friedman
1 year ago
Brilliant (as usual).
Adam Bartlett
1 year ago
Outstanding essay. Can’t recall a better expressed or more accurate summary of cultural developments since 1945. The bit about residues of the old order being treated as relics reminded me of what Kenneth Rexroth said about my mistress Simone Weil, when her worked started to receive increased attention in the late 50s: “a weird, embarrassing relic of a too immediate past.”
My one criticism is the essay seems a little pessimistic on Christianity. I dont see how ‘the most vigorous possible negation of Christian humanism’ is characteristic of the swarm as a whole. Even in closed doors labour party meetings, in my experience Christianity (& admittedly other religions) are invariably spoken of positively, considered pro-soical even by non believers. My suggestion for anyone feeling too bleak about our cultural trajectory is to divert their gaze from the worrying trends, to attend instead to the inspiring counter currents that suggest that while some may have giving up Christianity, Christ hasn’t given up on the world. His Light still shines through in all sorts of places. Christian artist youtubers Gio Pennacchietti & Jonathan Pageau might be inspiring to some, for example. And in person is often best, perhaps try a different church if your regular one isnt giving you a spiritual lift.
Adam Bartlett
1 year ago
Outstanding essay. Can’t recall a better expressed or more accurate summary of cultural developments since 1945. The bit about residues of the old order being treated as relics reminded me of what Kenneth Rexroth said about my mistress Simone Weil, when her worked started to receive increased attention in the late 50s: “a weird, embarrassing relic of a too immediate past.”
My one criticism is the essay seems a little pessimistic on Christianity. I dont see how ‘the most vigorous possible negation of Christian humanism’ is characteristic of the swarm as a whole. Even in closed doors labour party meetings, in my experience Christianity (& admittedly other religions) are invariably spoken of positively, considered pro-soical even by non believers. My suggestion for anyone feeling too bleak about our cultural trajectory is to divert their gaze from the worrying trends, to attend instead to the inspiring counter currents that suggest that while some may have giving up Christianity, Christ hasn’t given up on the world. His Light still shines through in all sorts of places. Christian artist youtubers Gio Pennacchietti & Jonathan Pageau might be inspiring to some, for example. And in person is often best, perhaps try a different church if your regular one isnt giving you a spiritual lift.
Prashant Kotak
1 year ago
A forlorn hope I know, but would it not be a lot healthier for everyone’s sanity instead, for the woke generations to grow up and embrace both the past and the future in it’s full technicolour, sinister splendor, eyes wide open? Come what may out of the past or into the future? For a start, it might afford them a degree of control over a future where they currently have none, because you cannot control what you wilfully don’t acknowledge.
I’m genuinely confused here. “The Wokists” are constantly being accused of two, simultaneously exclusive, evils.
On the one hand, they are supposedly dismissing all of the cultural and political ‘heroes’ by looking too deeply into their putative flaws and contadictions- Churchill, for example, was a great war leader but also believed the “white races” were genetically superior- and on the other, they are accused of ignoring reality and complexity, of not having their “eyes wide open”, of hiding from the past in its “sinister splendor”.
So is the biography of Churchill to be seen with eyes wide open, in all its achievements and flaws, or is he to be unquestioningly gloried, as a comment below puts it, as one of the “idealised” “Heroes of Britain”?
I cannot speak for others, but for myself, by “eyes wide open” I mean just that – there should be no circumstance under which you unquestionably glorify anyone, not Churchill, not Mother Teresa, not anyone. You accept and acknowledge the existence of the good, the bad, the ugly in everyone. You separate out the person and their beliefs (who might have been a neurotic mess, or a rabid racist, or anything) from their work and output. This also implies you extend a large degree of leeway to everyone on both speech and behaviour, so free speech and freedom of belief can flourish, and you don’t lose the talents of those you disagree with, because you have sent a whole host of people, who might have said something considered verboten, or even refused to participate in some religious ritual like ‘taking the knee’, to Coventry.
Churchill was all sorts, all overlaid over each other: a great spirit, a great bully, a great leader and someone who made multiple disastrous mistakes, a confector and manipulator of emotions and yet a victim of his own emotions, far-sighted yet very much a product of his time, an outright racist and yet a dewy-eyed internationalist, utterly ruthless autocrat and yet a believer in freedom and democracy. My point is: would Churchill been allowed to survive and thrive in the political climate of today, escaping the charges of hypocrisy and buffoonery, which destroyed for example Johnson, when Churchill changed not just beliefs but parties across a long career and had an unending string of minor indiscretions in all sorts of contexts? And if he had been cancelled, would that not have been a great, potentially even catastrophic, loss for this country?
I’m not sure that comparing Churchill- whatever his many faults- with that vacuous, poinltess inanity Johnson is doing your argument any favours, but yes- I largely agree. And a good description of Churchill’s hugely complex personality.
I’m not sure that comparing Churchill- whatever his many faults- with that vacuous, poinltess inanity Johnson is doing your argument any favours, but yes- I largely agree. And a good description of Churchill’s hugely complex personality.
I cannot speak for others, but for myself, by “eyes wide open” I mean just that – there should be no circumstance under which you unquestionably glorify anyone, not Churchill, not Mother Teresa, not anyone. You accept and acknowledge the existence of the good, the bad, the ugly in everyone. You separate out the person and their beliefs (who might have been a neurotic mess, or a rabid racist, or anything) from their work and output. This also implies you extend a large degree of leeway to everyone on both speech and behaviour, so free speech and freedom of belief can flourish, and you don’t lose the talents of those you disagree with, because you have sent a whole host of people, who might have said something considered verboten, or even refused to participate in some religious ritual like ‘taking the knee’, to Coventry.
Churchill was all sorts, all overlaid over each other: a great spirit, a great bully, a great leader and someone who made multiple disastrous mistakes, a confector and manipulator of emotions and yet a victim of his own emotions, far-sighted yet very much a product of his time, an outright racist and yet a dewy-eyed internationalist, utterly ruthless autocrat and yet a believer in freedom and democracy. My point is: would Churchill been allowed to survive and thrive in the political climate of today, escaping the charges of hypocrisy and buffoonery, which destroyed for example Johnson, when Churchill changed not just beliefs but parties across a long career and had an unending string of minor indiscretions in all sorts of contexts? And if he had been cancelled, would that not have been a great, potentially even catastrophic, loss for this country?
I’m genuinely confused here. “The Wokists” are constantly being accused of two, simultaneously exclusive, evils.
On the one hand, they are supposedly dismissing all of the cultural and political ‘heroes’ by looking too deeply into their putative flaws and contadictions- Churchill, for example, was a great war leader but also believed the “white races” were genetically superior- and on the other, they are accused of ignoring reality and complexity, of not having their “eyes wide open”, of hiding from the past in its “sinister splendor”.
So is the biography of Churchill to be seen with eyes wide open, in all its achievements and flaws, or is he to be unquestioningly gloried, as a comment below puts it, as one of the “idealised” “Heroes of Britain”?
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Prashant Kotak
1 year ago
A forlorn hope I know, but would it not be a lot healthier for everyone’s sanity instead, for the woke generations to grow up and embrace both the past and the future in it’s full technicolour, sinister splendor, eyes wide open? Come what may out of the past or into the future? For a start, it might afford them a degree of control over a future where they currently have none, because you cannot control what you wilfully don’t acknowledge.
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago
“Swarm”. Yes, I like that.
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago
“Swarm”. Yes, I like that.
Matt M
1 year ago
If the Conservatives had a brain they would commission 100 “Heroes of Britain” figurative, idealised statues around the UK to celebrate the Coronation. Everyone from Boadicea to say, Francis Crick would get a statue (they shouldn’t go too modern or they will be accused of party bias). They should not let the art establishment anywhere near the project. The post-modernist elites will hate it but the public will like it and what can the elites do?
There’s a statue of Francis Crick in the quadrangle at Northampton’s Guildhall. He was born in Weston Favell, a village swallowed up by Northampton’s new town expansion in the 1970’s.
That sounds wonderfully Soviet- Stalin would certainly have loved it, and Putin too, no doubt.
I’m not sure the modern British public would be quite as enthused by your exercise in state propaganda kitsch as you assume, though.
I’m not sure why patriotic statuary is Soviet. It was all the rage in Britain until the 1970s. I think people would love it. I remember in 2002 (before the rise of the woke mob) the BBC ran a 100 Greatest Britain’s competition and it was a great public success.
The top 10 were: Churchill, Brunel, Princess Di(!), Darwin, Shakespeare, Newton, Elizabeth I, John Lennon, Nelson, Cromwell.
In fact, take out the ones that are still alive (they were generally in their heyday when the poll ran like Robbie Williams) and you have a pretty decent list for your statues.
I’m not sure why patriotic statuary is Soviet. It was all the rage in Britain until the 1970s. I think people would love it. I remember in 2002 (before the rise of the woke mob) the BBC ran a 100 Greatest Britain’s competition and it was a great public success.
The top 10 were: Churchill, Brunel, Princess Di(!), Darwin, Shakespeare, Newton, Elizabeth I, John Lennon, Nelson, Cromwell.
In fact, take out the ones that are still alive (they were generally in their heyday when the poll ran like Robbie Williams) and you have a pretty decent list for your statues.
There’s a statue of Francis Crick in the quadrangle at Northampton’s Guildhall. He was born in Weston Favell, a village swallowed up by Northampton’s new town expansion in the 1970’s.
That sounds wonderfully Soviet- Stalin would certainly have loved it, and Putin too, no doubt.
I’m not sure the modern British public would be quite as enthused by your exercise in state propaganda kitsch as you assume, though.
Matt M
1 year ago
If the Conservatives had a brain they would commission 100 “Heroes of Britain” figurative, idealised statues around the UK to celebrate the Coronation. Everyone from Boadicea to say, Francis Crick would get a statue (they shouldn’t go too modern or they will be accused of party bias). They should not let the art establishment anywhere near the project. The post-modernist elites will hate it but the public will like it and what can the elites do?
Cheryl Benard
1 year ago
The decision to commemorate him through a statue depicting a headless embrace with his wife is interesting in light of the fact that MLK’s love life was his Achilles heel, soon detected and duly exploited by the FBI. They even sent his wife sex tapes made by bugging his hotel rooms, and repeatedly tried to embroil him in scandal to discredit him. His staff was often occupied in covering up his affairs, including on the day of his assassination, when his playmate of the night before had to be discreetly whisked out of sight. The statue can be read as saying, his private life was a tangled mess – perhaps the FBI designed this statue? For more on this, see https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/love-life-of-martin-luther-king-jr-193f19db839. I do think that Coretta, for putting up with all that aggravation, deserved at least to have her face on that statue though.
Cheryl Benard
1 year ago
The decision to commemorate him through a statue depicting a headless embrace with his wife is interesting in light of the fact that MLK’s love life was his Achilles heel, soon detected and duly exploited by the FBI. They even sent his wife sex tapes made by bugging his hotel rooms, and repeatedly tried to embroil him in scandal to discredit him. His staff was often occupied in covering up his affairs, including on the day of his assassination, when his playmate of the night before had to be discreetly whisked out of sight. The statue can be read as saying, his private life was a tangled mess – perhaps the FBI designed this statue? For more on this, see https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/love-life-of-martin-luther-king-jr-193f19db839. I do think that Coretta, for putting up with all that aggravation, deserved at least to have her face on that statue though.
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Dr King was a good man who deserves better than this.
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Dr King was a good man who deserves better than this.
Joe Donovan
1 year ago
My favorite social media comment on this lovely piece so far — “It’s twue! It’s twue!”
It’s as if the sculptor was charged specifically with combining the worst of abstraction and realism. Are we to remember the doctor only by the buttons on his sleeves?
Joe Donovan
1 year ago
My favorite social media comment on this lovely piece so far — “It’s twue! It’s twue!”
It’s as if the sculptor was charged specifically with combining the worst of abstraction and realism. Are we to remember the doctor only by the buttons on his sleeves?
David Telfer
1 year ago
Roger Scruton’s documentary on Art and Beauty available on YouTube is a wonderful exposition of why modern art is often so worthless.
David Telfer
1 year ago
Roger Scruton’s documentary on Art and Beauty available on YouTube is a wonderful exposition of why modern art is often so worthless.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Back in the 70s, the city of Hartford, Connecticut commissioned a sculpture for a little green plot in its downtown. They paid the “artist”, Carl Andre, $87,000 (quite a chunk of change fifty years ago). The sculpture was a bunch of large rocks lined up in rows on the grass. Naturally, people were as outraged at the waste of tax dollars as they were with the insult to their sensibilities, and the city tried to get out of paying the guy (they didn’t succeed). Funny thing, though: in 2015, construction workers spray painted the rocks, not realizing they were “art”. Maybe Boston’s graffiti taggers will do the same for the obscene King thingy.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Back in the 70s, the city of Hartford, Connecticut commissioned a sculpture for a little green plot in its downtown. They paid the “artist”, Carl Andre, $87,000 (quite a chunk of change fifty years ago). The sculpture was a bunch of large rocks lined up in rows on the grass. Naturally, people were as outraged at the waste of tax dollars as they were with the insult to their sensibilities, and the city tried to get out of paying the guy (they didn’t succeed). Funny thing, though: in 2015, construction workers spray painted the rocks, not realizing they were “art”. Maybe Boston’s graffiti taggers will do the same for the obscene King thingy.
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
It’s ironic that the statue has MLK hugging his wife. MLK was a great leader but also a great ‘cheater’; Corretta deserved better from her Christian minister husband.
It’s ironic that the statue has MLK hugging his wife. MLK was a great leader but also a great ‘cheater’; Corretta deserved better from her Christian minister husband.
Alison Wren
1 year ago
This divide is wonderfully illustrated by the two Mary statues unveiled in 2020 and 2022 respectively. Google Mary Wollstonecraft statue on Newington Green…really hideous with a tiny naked woman on top of a huge blob of metal. Or Mary Anning in Lyme Regis, a beautiful portrait with meticulous detail and wonderful face hands and intent, striding out, geological hammer in hand towards the Jurassic cliffs.
Alison Wren
1 year ago
This divide is wonderfully illustrated by the two Mary statues unveiled in 2020 and 2022 respectively. Google Mary Wollstonecraft statue on Newington Green…really hideous with a tiny naked woman on top of a huge blob of metal. Or Mary Anning in Lyme Regis, a beautiful portrait with meticulous detail and wonderful face hands and intent, striding out, geological hammer in hand towards the Jurassic cliffs.
Tony Taylor
1 year ago
Grūtas Park is no doubt named after the soldier who turned Hannibal Lecter into a cannibal.
Tony Taylor
1 year ago
Grūtas Park is no doubt named after the soldier who turned Hannibal Lecter into a cannibal.
B Emery
1 year ago
OK but I thought the people of Boston actually voted for that design. So it was chosen by the ‘herd’.
‘The process began six years ago with a national call for proposals. There were 126 submissions and five finalists. Embrace Boston did consult with the King family, but the people of Boston chose Thomas’ idea, casting their ballots at voting booths set up in post offices, libraries and city hall.’
My mums an art nerd.
He did say he was nervous about not putting the heads on. He said it was emphasise the embrace, honestly I think the headless swarm thing is taking it way out of context.
OK, but why even take this approach? This sculpture is supposed to honour MLK and his wife – both actual people. They weren’t just a pair of arms, were they?
This sculpture involves a weird dismembering of the human being. Instead of recognisable people, you have only limbs and strange shapes. Which is precisely what Mary is talking about.
The normal people of Boston choose it. From a selection. I doubt the majority have ever heard swarmism. I certainly haven’t apart from here. Probably because they liked the design. Not on weird idealogical grounds of decapitating anything.
Probably on the grounds the artist describes:
‘It’s called “The Embrace,” and to design it, Hank Willis Thomas pored over hundreds of images of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and his wife, Coretta Scott King. “There was an intimacy that I saw that wasn’t really highlighted often,” Thomas said. “Often when you do look closely at pictures, they’re holding each other’s hands.”
‘And so, rather than depicting whole figures, Thomas, along with architects from the MASS Design Group, decided to represent a specific moment of intimacy, depicting only their arms and hands
“I’m kind of scared, because representing the Kings without their faces is a bold move,” Thomas said. ‘
From original link.
Why shouldn’t the artist take the approach they want? He discusses why he left the heads off etc. Seems a reasonable arty farty explanation to me. If people didn’t like it they wouldn’t have voted for it.
This paragraph from the article: In other words: it’s not that we no longer have skilled artists making beautiful, proportionate, figurative work. It’s just that, the class with its hands on the purse-strings doesn’t care. For what this class seeks to represent — the class that dominates media, NGOs, universities and the like — is its own form of power: one which I have elsewhere called swarmism.
Is incorrect. Because people voted for it. It had nothing to do with purse strings.
Quite. We need context here. Firstly, what were the other options offered? Was there an option of ‘none if these designs’? How many people voted for each option? How widespread was the publicity for the vote? Was a there a threshold of total votes that had to be reached to ensure that at least some minimum percentage of the population had expressed a choice? It’s quite easy to see how any such ‘consultation’ merely becomes an exercise in self-selecting groups pushing through something that a great majority of people either don’t want or have no opinion.
But they did. They set up a ballot in libraries, city hall etc. The article I provided clearly states that. It was chosen from over 100 entries whittled down to five. Mlk family was consulted. The people voted for it. Are you saying they rigged it? Lmao. When you got a source or some assertion for that that isn’t just your opinion, come back.
You can say that the design was selected based on the criteria of the voting system. This is not the same as ‘the people voted for it’. I would imagine that a great many did not and many more did not even bother to vote. If you have any references for how many votes were cast for each option, that might give some insight. Also, were all eligible voters issued with voting forms, which they could then either use or discard, or was this based on individuals actively choosing to participate? This is not to imply that it was rigged, but setting up ballots boxes in public buildings does suggest that the voting cohort was self-selecting. It might also be that only people with a reason to visit the library or City Hall engaged with the process.
Jesus that’s taking it a bit deep it wasn’t a general election. I literally cba, swallow the swarm idea if it suits you. I think it’s fair to say that from that article it sounds like people had a fair chance and a choice. It’s fairer to say that than it is to say evil swarm imposed it on everyone. My version is closer to reality. It sounds like a pretty standard community art project. That’s a pretty standard format for choosing stuff like that.
America is obsessed with rigged elections.
You’re wasting your time on this one- it’s very important to realise that this (admittedly remarkably poor) sculpture represents everything abhorrent to decent humanity, and anything that gets in the way of this enjoyably hysterical group rant (facts, for example, or actually knowing anything at all about it) are unwelcome. The simple and banal fact that lots of people like bad art doesn’t whip up the necessary End Of Times paranoia so beloved by the denizens of the internet.
Certainly makes for entertaining sport. The stuff people are drawing out of it is crazy to me. I can’t really claim to be qualified to say if the sculpture is any good. But I think people are getting really carried away considering the process they went through to select it.
Certainly makes for entertaining sport. The stuff people are drawing out of it is crazy to me. I can’t really claim to be qualified to say if the sculpture is any good. But I think people are getting really carried away considering the process they went through to select it.
You’re wasting your time on this one- it’s very important to realise that this (admittedly remarkably poor) sculpture represents everything abhorrent to decent humanity, and anything that gets in the way of this enjoyably hysterical group rant (facts, for example, or actually knowing anything at all about it) are unwelcome. The simple and banal fact that lots of people like bad art doesn’t whip up the necessary End Of Times paranoia so beloved by the denizens of the internet.
Jesus that’s taking it a bit deep it wasn’t a general election. I literally cba, swallow the swarm idea if it suits you. I think it’s fair to say that from that article it sounds like people had a fair chance and a choice. It’s fairer to say that than it is to say evil swarm imposed it on everyone. My version is closer to reality. It sounds like a pretty standard community art project. That’s a pretty standard format for choosing stuff like that.
America is obsessed with rigged elections.
You can say that the design was selected based on the criteria of the voting system. This is not the same as ‘the people voted for it’. I would imagine that a great many did not and many more did not even bother to vote. If you have any references for how many votes were cast for each option, that might give some insight. Also, were all eligible voters issued with voting forms, which they could then either use or discard, or was this based on individuals actively choosing to participate? This is not to imply that it was rigged, but setting up ballots boxes in public buildings does suggest that the voting cohort was self-selecting. It might also be that only people with a reason to visit the library or City Hall engaged with the process.
Quite. We need context here. Firstly, what were the other options offered? Was there an option of ‘none if these designs’? How many people voted for each option? How widespread was the publicity for the vote? Was a there a threshold of total votes that had to be reached to ensure that at least some minimum percentage of the population had expressed a choice? It’s quite easy to see how any such ‘consultation’ merely becomes an exercise in self-selecting groups pushing through something that a great majority of people either don’t want or have no opinion.
But they did. They set up a ballot in libraries, city hall etc. The article I provided clearly states that. It was chosen from over 100 entries whittled down to five. Mlk family was consulted. The people voted for it. Are you saying they rigged it? Lmao. When you got a source or some assertion for that that isn’t just your opinion, come back.
For a moment Ms Emery I thought you were discussing Boston in Lincolnshire.
To my mind there is no finer artistic creation in either Boston Massachusetts or Boston Lincolnshire, than the magnificent tower of St Botolph’s Church, situated in the later.
Soaring to 81.31 metres*, and topped by an octagonal lantern, it was completed around 1520, and is simply without equal. Amusingly it is referred to as the Boston Stump in the vernacular!
I haven’t heard of that Mr Stanhope I will look it up. Sounds rather spectacular.
I’m just shredding another (in my humble opinion) nonsense article. Procrastinating really, I’m on paperwork duty atm 🙂
Now Lincoln I do know a little about, my mum actually visited it in the summer! She said it was well worth a trip.
Health and safety is a minefield these days.
Now Lincoln I do know a little about, my mum actually visited it in the summer! She said it was well worth a trip.
Health and safety is a minefield these days.
I did look it up. It is spectacular, Wikibeast says it ‘was commonly believed’ the tower may have been lit at night? As a marker for travellers and boats? Amazing.
I haven’t heard of that Mr Stanhope I will look it up. Sounds rather spectacular.
I’m just shredding another (in my humble opinion) nonsense article. Procrastinating really, I’m on paperwork duty atm 🙂
I did look it up. It is spectacular, Wikibeast says it ‘was commonly believed’ the tower may have been lit at night? As a marker for travellers and boats? Amazing.
In a way what you are saying is even more discouraging. But seeing the kind of people that get elected to public office these days, is it surprising? It’s the same people voting.
Why is it? Its being taken well out of context. This part of the article:
Dismembered limbs. Torture flashbacks. Screams. Humans pulled apart and reassembled. A chilling scene in the 2007 Battlestar Galactica sci-fi movie Razor depicts Commander Adama’s recollections of stumbling upon a laboratory where the flesh/robot hybrid Cylons conducted horrific experiments on living human beings
The Embrace, a new statue unveiled in Boston to honour Martin Luther King, brought exactly this to mind.
Is a well overblown comparison.
If you don’t like it that’s fine, it’s not really my cup of tea but to say it’s been imposed by a swarm and has all these other meanings about race etc attached to it is stretching it. That’s not what the artist said it was about, it was not imposed it was selected by what sounds like, a reasonably fair process.
Why is it? Its being taken well out of context. This part of the article:
Dismembered limbs. Torture flashbacks. Screams. Humans pulled apart and reassembled. A chilling scene in the 2007 Battlestar Galactica sci-fi movie Razor depicts Commander Adama’s recollections of stumbling upon a laboratory where the flesh/robot hybrid Cylons conducted horrific experiments on living human beings
The Embrace, a new statue unveiled in Boston to honour Martin Luther King, brought exactly this to mind.
Is a well overblown comparison.
If you don’t like it that’s fine, it’s not really my cup of tea but to say it’s been imposed by a swarm and has all these other meanings about race etc attached to it is stretching it. That’s not what the artist said it was about, it was not imposed it was selected by what sounds like, a reasonably fair process.
For a moment Ms Emery I thought you were discussing Boston in Lincolnshire.
To my mind there is no finer artistic creation in either Boston Massachusetts or Boston Lincolnshire, than the magnificent tower of St Botolph’s Church, situated in the later.
Soaring to 81.31 metres*, and topped by an octagonal lantern, it was completed around 1520, and is simply without equal. Amusingly it is referred to as the Boston Stump in the vernacular!
In a way what you are saying is even more discouraging. But seeing the kind of people that get elected to public office these days, is it surprising? It’s the same people voting.
The normal people of Boston choose it. From a selection. I doubt the majority have ever heard swarmism. I certainly haven’t apart from here. Probably because they liked the design. Not on weird idealogical grounds of decapitating anything.
Probably on the grounds the artist describes:
‘It’s called “The Embrace,” and to design it, Hank Willis Thomas pored over hundreds of images of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and his wife, Coretta Scott King. “There was an intimacy that I saw that wasn’t really highlighted often,” Thomas said. “Often when you do look closely at pictures, they’re holding each other’s hands.”
‘And so, rather than depicting whole figures, Thomas, along with architects from the MASS Design Group, decided to represent a specific moment of intimacy, depicting only their arms and hands
“I’m kind of scared, because representing the Kings without their faces is a bold move,” Thomas said. ‘
From original link.
Why shouldn’t the artist take the approach they want? He discusses why he left the heads off etc. Seems a reasonable arty farty explanation to me. If people didn’t like it they wouldn’t have voted for it.
This paragraph from the article: In other words: it’s not that we no longer have skilled artists making beautiful, proportionate, figurative work. It’s just that, the class with its hands on the purse-strings doesn’t care. For what this class seeks to represent — the class that dominates media, NGOs, universities and the like — is its own form of power: one which I have elsewhere called swarmism.
Is incorrect. Because people voted for it. It had nothing to do with purse strings.
Cor blimey do you believe in democracy or what? How much fairer can it be than allowing people to vote by ballot in a library, post office or city hall. I am exasperated. It is making me determined.
Cor blimey do you believe in democracy or what? How much fairer can it be than allowing people to vote by ballot in a library, post office or city hall. I am exasperated. It is making me determined.
OK, but why even take this approach? This sculpture is supposed to honour MLK and his wife – both actual people. They weren’t just a pair of arms, were they?
This sculpture involves a weird dismembering of the human being. Instead of recognisable people, you have only limbs and strange shapes. Which is precisely what Mary is talking about.
Thank you so much for clearing this up. This information really changes my perception of the statue and its aesthetic shortcomings.
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B Emery
1 year ago
OK but I thought the people of Boston actually voted for that design. So it was chosen by the ‘herd’.
‘The process began six years ago with a national call for proposals. There were 126 submissions and five finalists. Embrace Boston did consult with the King family, but the people of Boston chose Thomas’ idea, casting their ballots at voting booths set up in post offices, libraries and city hall.’
My mums an art nerd.
He did say he was nervous about not putting the heads on. He said it was emphasise the embrace, honestly I think the headless swarm thing is taking it way out of context.
Kevin Cooney
1 year ago
A quite brilliant piece, if both depressing and disturbing.
Kevin Cooney
1 year ago
A quite brilliant piece, if both depressing and disturbing.
Jim R
1 year ago
Nice to see the Battlestar Galactica reference. I always tell people its one of the best fracking tv shows ever made (the Ron Moore reboot). So say we all!
Jim R
1 year ago
Nice to see the Battlestar Galactica reference. I always tell people its one of the best fracking tv shows ever made (the Ron Moore reboot). So say we all!
Colin Goodfellow
1 year ago
A refreshing read. The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism or shared values ( read culture) is reducing so much art to grievence genuflecting and ego “deeply personal” uniquely empty work.
“The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism…”
So you don’t agree with the author’s terror of this omnipotent “swarm”, then? Or is it an ‘individualistic swarm’? Is each person their own “swarm” now? How does this actually work?
Apparently, according to a commenter above on my increasingly exasperated thread: ‘the swarms Centre of gravity is somewhere near Boston’. I did have to restrain my reply. I’m also intrigued how this business works.
There’s something historically revolting about this “swarm” term- or ‘meme’, as it’s yet another manifestation of online Manichaeinism.
Enthusiastically throwing around de-humanising words that reduce the people you disagree with to the status of insect infestations doesn’t really fit with the self-proclaimed ‘humanism’ of the users.
Very good point, I hadn’t thought about that. I don’t think it’s helpful, or a good description of how any society really works. Like you say, reducing people you disagree with to insect type swarms repeatedly is hardly promoting humanism. Especially considering the article she’s just authored on the post. Apparently it’s bold new thinking. Or the oldest manichaeism trick in the book. Whichever people prefer.
Well, well. I’ll go ahead and just insert this here as it seems as an appropriate place as any.
Firstly, it seems to me and my reading of this article that the “critic” cherishes “Christianity” and all its obsequious values. As if any artwork that doesn’t hold to her ideological, cultural construct of what “public art ‘ought to be'” is therefore not very good art if art at all.
Secondly, I almost, well I did, giggle at the term, “swarmist”. Along with her paranoid seeming rants on dismembered body parts. There is no actual “dis-member-ment” going on in the work. It is, to my artistic eye (an actual practicing visual arts professional) a bit on the clumsy side.
And, yes, it maintains the typical New York Art World’s intellectualistic flavor of the month. However all in all I found it a waste of my precious time to invest in reading it. Much ado about not much to say. As if, the whole of humankind ought to right itself to her tastes, political beliefs, philosophies (if she’s ever delved into Philosophy), aesthetics, sociological perspectives, etc..
Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness. Really from my point of view it’s just “anti-woke wokeness”. We’ve become so obsessed with language and how it does in fact shape our individual and collective perception of our “reality(s) that we are at odds (word wars) with each other on every little frigging thing about everything.
It could have been much easier to simply state the obivious and implied question, “What of their heads?” And further plainly further the artists dilemma vs the publics feelings of it.
Ahh, but swarmists must be outed and obliterated like some kind of dangerous enemy that threatens civilization!
It’s a f*****g sculpture! Not world war III. Blah, blah, blah.
“Art is long, and critics are the insects of a day.” — Randall Jarrell
Excellent points. ‘Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness’ – brilliant. That’s what I’m short on.
Its just a f*cking sculpture – lol indeed.
I think clumsy is probably the best description so far for me.
Yep, bit more research next time, I think it was a poor example for ‘swarmism’.
Absolutely- I like your term “anti-woke wokeness”; the two ‘sides’ in this relentlessly tedious ‘culture-war’ are actually remarkably similar, hence their mutual loathing.
This article displays exactly the kind of hysterically over-determined semiotics that the author accuses the ‘art-world elites’ of- a rather poor and clumsy sculpture is forced to carry the burden of every cultural and pseudo-philosophical beef she has with the modern world. It’s a pair of arms in an embrace, not done very well- really, get over yourself.
Excellent points. ‘Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness’ – brilliant. That’s what I’m short on.
Its just a f*cking sculpture – lol indeed.
I think clumsy is probably the best description so far for me.
Yep, bit more research next time, I think it was a poor example for ‘swarmism’.
Absolutely- I like your term “anti-woke wokeness”; the two ‘sides’ in this relentlessly tedious ‘culture-war’ are actually remarkably similar, hence their mutual loathing.
This article displays exactly the kind of hysterically over-determined semiotics that the author accuses the ‘art-world elites’ of- a rather poor and clumsy sculpture is forced to carry the burden of every cultural and pseudo-philosophical beef she has with the modern world. It’s a pair of arms in an embrace, not done very well- really, get over yourself.
Well, well. I’ll go ahead and just insert this here as it seems as an appropriate place as any.
Firstly, it seems to me and my reading of this article that the “critic” cherishes “Christianity” and all its obsequious values. As if any artwork that doesn’t hold to her ideological, cultural construct of what “public art ‘ought to be'” is therefore not very good art if art at all.
Secondly, I almost, well I did, giggle at the term, “swarmist”. Along with her paranoid seeming rants on dismembered body parts. There is no actual “dis-member-ment” going on in the work. It is, to my artistic eye (an actual practicing visual arts professional) a bit on the clumsy side.
And, yes, it maintains the typical New York Art World’s intellectualistic flavor of the month. However all in all I found it a waste of my precious time to invest in reading it. Much ado about not much to say. As if, the whole of humankind ought to right itself to her tastes, political beliefs, philosophies (if she’s ever delved into Philosophy), aesthetics, sociological perspectives, etc..
Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness. Really from my point of view it’s just “anti-woke wokeness”. We’ve become so obsessed with language and how it does in fact shape our individual and collective perception of our “reality(s) that we are at odds (word wars) with each other on every little frigging thing about everything.
It could have been much easier to simply state the obivious and implied question, “What of their heads?” And further plainly further the artists dilemma vs the publics feelings of it.
Ahh, but swarmists must be outed and obliterated like some kind of dangerous enemy that threatens civilization!
It’s a f*****g sculpture! Not world war III. Blah, blah, blah.
“Art is long, and critics are the insects of a day.” — Randall Jarrell
Very good point, I hadn’t thought about that. I don’t think it’s helpful, or a good description of how any society really works. Like you say, reducing people you disagree with to insect type swarms repeatedly is hardly promoting humanism. Especially considering the article she’s just authored on the post. Apparently it’s bold new thinking. Or the oldest manichaeism trick in the book. Whichever people prefer.
There’s something historically revolting about this “swarm” term- or ‘meme’, as it’s yet another manifestation of online Manichaeinism.
Enthusiastically throwing around de-humanising words that reduce the people you disagree with to the status of insect infestations doesn’t really fit with the self-proclaimed ‘humanism’ of the users.
Apparently, according to a commenter above on my increasingly exasperated thread: ‘the swarms Centre of gravity is somewhere near Boston’. I did have to restrain my reply. I’m also intrigued how this business works.
“The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism…”
So you don’t agree with the author’s terror of this omnipotent “swarm”, then? Or is it an ‘individualistic swarm’? Is each person their own “swarm” now? How does this actually work?
Colin Goodfellow
1 year ago
A refreshing read. The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism or shared values ( read culture) is reducing so much art to grievence genuflecting and ego “deeply personal” uniquely empty work.
You think the times in which King was having to fight for basic civil rights for black Americans were so much better, then? They may have suffered segregation and lynchings, but, hey, at least the statues were more realistic.
The fact is, King was repeatedly denounced as a Marxist trouble-maker, and he was regarded as a threat to American values by 2/3rds of Americans in 1966; even in 1983, 22 Republican Senators tried to block a national commemoration of him stating that his values were “not compatible with the values of this country”. By the time he was shot by a white supremacist, 3/4 of white Americans still “disapproved” of him, and nearly 1/3 believed he had “brought his death on himself”.
The fake, sentimental affectation of approval afforded in retrospect to King now by conservatives is frankly slightly nauseating.
You think the times in which King was having to fight for basic civil rights for black Americans were so much better, then? They may have suffered segregation and lynchings, but, hey, at least the statues were more realistic.
The fact is, King was repeatedly denounced as a Marxist trouble-maker, and he was regarded as a threat to American values by 2/3rds of Americans in 1966; even in 1983, 22 Republican Senators tried to block a national commemoration of him stating that his values were “not compatible with the values of this country”. By the time he was shot by a white supremacist, 3/4 of white Americans still “disapproved” of him, and nearly 1/3 believed he had “brought his death on himself”.
The fake, sentimental affectation of approval afforded in retrospect to King now by conservatives is frankly slightly nauseating.
Michael McElwee
1 year ago
In the times in which we live, the only possible monument, even for King, is a twisted mess.
Jorge Espinha
1 year ago
Art is been in the toilet for quite some time.What came after wwii was mostly navel gazing. Horrid art and even more Horrid architecture. So swarmism isn’t replacing anything beautiful, it just the same prison dinner but this time from a different caterer. What great art had, was the ability to touch everybody. I can’t appreciate Bach in all its glory because I’m ignorant when it comes to music but I can be touch by its beauty nonetheless. You hear a monstrosity composed by John Cage and you need a doctorate in high pomposity to appreciate it
Jorge Espinha
1 year ago
Art is been in the toilet for quite some time.What came after wwii was mostly navel gazing. Horrid art and even more Horrid architecture. So swarmism isn’t replacing anything beautiful, it just the same prison dinner but this time from a different caterer. What great art had, was the ability to touch everybody. I can’t appreciate Bach in all its glory because I’m ignorant when it comes to music but I can be touch by its beauty nonetheless. You hear a monstrosity composed by John Cage and you need a doctorate in high pomposity to appreciate it
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Incorrect post.
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CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Incorrect post.
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Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Call me a philistine, but I cannot ever recall being kept awake at night worrying about the quality of sculpture and sculptors….
Call me a philistine, but I cannot ever recall being kept awake at night worrying about the quality of sculpture and sculptors….
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Thnks … Great read ! I only had to read the first Pgph & 1-2/20 or so underlined references …. Derrida …. flesh …. swarm …. p***s …. love …. Christian …. I know exactly what you mean !
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Thnks … Great read ! I only had to read the first Pgph & 1-2/20 or so underlined references …. Derrida …. flesh …. swarm …. p***s …. love …. Christian …. I know exactly what you mean !
The Babylon Bee started a GoFundMe to raise money to add the heads and stuff.
Not another swarm!
Not another swarm!
The Babylon Bee started a GoFundMe to raise money to add the heads and stuff.
Thanks. Great read.
I can’t actually recall the last time some modern architecture or art was unveiled that would even come close in my mind to being regarded as beautiful. This latest offering is no exception.
This and most other ‘works’ are not just ugly, but exhibit a sort of anti-beauty; a highjacking of aesthetics so overt one is left wondering whether their purpose is to deliberately provoke – that or to crush the spirits of those unfortunate enough to regularly endure their prescence. Or maybe it’s a tactic – unconscious or otherwise – to warp the public’s sensibilities right down to the primordal conception of beauty; a ghastly (and hopefully futile) quest for ultimate control down to subliminal thinking.
Or maybe its more simple. Maybe the artworld – and especially those with the power to decide what and what isn’t worthy of exhibition – are simply deviod of taste or otherwise more than happy to subordinate beauty to whatever political message that this new art represents so long, of course, it tallies with their own hideously lopsided view of the world.
Either way, I’m increasingly of the opinion that ‘progress’ – whether it be in art or in any number of fields is not progress in slightest, but a dark march backwards.
I quite agree with you, and see this a lot in real estate/construction as well (my field). Some of the modern buildings are so ugly that they give the impression they were designed that way as a deliberate form of perversity. In addition, many are profoundly anti-human in a lot of respects; scale, balance etc.
There’s seems to more to it than just the profit motive — stuffing as many saleable units into this tower as possible, up to the max allowable height restrictions, that’s an expected approach for a developer — but some of these designs are so aggressively, startlingly ugly that it feels one must go quite out of the way to arrive at such a design.
In Victoria (in London, SW1) they put up the Nova building a few years back, which was crowned ugliest building in the UK. I assure you, it’s a deserving winner. Naturally many mod-ish types popped up to give comment in the Guardian etc explaining that actually it was a very good example of brutalism (almost as though the average man was too stupid to appreciate that this ugly thing was really very beautiful indeed, natch). Well, two points on that:
— Surely beauty should not be a riddle wrapped in an enigma, such that we have to tilt our heads sideways and read an accompanying explanatory note to actually see it?
— It may well be a decent example of the brutalist style. But did anyone ask the locals if they would like to be brutalised by the architecture?
It honestly makes me sad every time I go past it, especially since it’s dominating scale means it now overshadows a whole chunk of Victoria, and thousands of people now live/work/walk in the shadows of it’s grim form. To place such a monstrosity among the Regency/Victorian splendour displayed across SW1 is akin to architectural vandalism, in my view. Perverse and aggressive.
This perversion is reflected in fashion as well; Muiccia Prada, who is a fabulous talent in many ways, has also pushed the idea of ‘ugly is beautiful’. It’s all to be provocative, high-minded etc. And of course many fashion designers have followed suit. When was the last time you walked down the street and thought people looked nice or well-dressed? Not for decades….we’d have to go back to Christian Dior in the 1950’s.
Very true. And a shame that Muiccia is also kind of eroding the legacy of her own family’s iconic fashion brand.
Miu Miu’s aesthetic is deliberately ill fitting and unfinished, which is quite at odds with Prada’s legacy ethos.
Very true. And a shame that Muiccia is also kind of eroding the legacy of her own family’s iconic fashion brand.
Miu Miu’s aesthetic is deliberately ill fitting and unfinished, which is quite at odds with Prada’s legacy ethos.
Have you ever toured around one of the former eastern block countries? Now there is architecture that is an order of magnitude or two worse than anything I’ve seen in the west (yet). One city in Croatia in particular has an astonishing range, from a spectacular Roman Coliseum all the way down to the most grotesque concrete block high rises.
Yes, I totally agree.
I find Berlin to be like that. You almost get whiplash from the juxtaposition of these magnificently ornate and artistic period buildings, punctuated by extremely oppressive Soviet-era housing blocks.
Yes, I totally agree.
I find Berlin to be like that. You almost get whiplash from the juxtaposition of these magnificently ornate and artistic period buildings, punctuated by extremely oppressive Soviet-era housing blocks.
Great post. I acutely feel your pain!
Firstly, ‘The Nova’ has nothing to do with “Brutalism”- a specific architectural style of the ’50s and ’60s, involving raw materials (usually concrete) and the idea of ‘form following function’. The Nova features neither of these- it’s just contemporary slick corporate ‘architecture as icon’.
Secondly, the dreaded Guardian’s chief architecture critic wrote an article at the time of its unveiling titled “A bright, preening cockerel crowned Britain’s ugliest building”, saying that it “embodies the sort of overblown crystaline lumps in vogue on designers’ drawing boards a decade ago.” Nothing there tormenting your notional “average man”.
So, yes, I agree it’s certainly a dismal piece of architecture, but your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it is lazy.
John, the Guardian only took a pop at Nova after it was nominated for ugliest building, just so you know.
Also, not me that called it brutalist, that was the commentariat at the time this was all a buzz – about 5 years ago.
What do you mean by “your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it”? …
Am I not free to make a comment about beauty in architecture, in reply to this article about beauty in art?
By “the standard unHerd culture wars spin”, I mean taking a piece of bad commercial architecture, the product of multinational developers making as much money as quickly as possible in an under-regulated system of cheap, badly-designed London development, and somehow making it about the Guardian and some putative cultural oppression of the “average man” by a sneering ‘elite’.
As for the “commentariat” (and who the hell are they, exactly? I assume that must include you, as a commenter) calling it “brutalist”- if ‘they’ did, they were wrong, so why say it again? It’s the opposite of brutalist- slick, shiny, corporate, and designed to look smart on a marketing website.
Anyway, we agree that it’s awful.
By “the standard unHerd culture wars spin”, I mean taking a piece of bad commercial architecture, the product of multinational developers making as much money as quickly as possible in an under-regulated system of cheap, badly-designed London development, and somehow making it about the Guardian and some putative cultural oppression of the “average man” by a sneering ‘elite’.
As for the “commentariat” (and who the hell are they, exactly? I assume that must include you, as a commenter) calling it “brutalist”- if ‘they’ did, they were wrong, so why say it again? It’s the opposite of brutalist- slick, shiny, corporate, and designed to look smart on a marketing website.
Anyway, we agree that it’s awful.
John, the Guardian only took a pop at Nova after it was nominated for ugliest building, just so you know.
Also, not me that called it brutalist, that was the commentariat at the time this was all a buzz – about 5 years ago.
What do you mean by “your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it”? …
Am I not free to make a comment about beauty in architecture, in reply to this article about beauty in art?
This perversion is reflected in fashion as well; Muiccia Prada, who is a fabulous talent in many ways, has also pushed the idea of ‘ugly is beautiful’. It’s all to be provocative, high-minded etc. And of course many fashion designers have followed suit. When was the last time you walked down the street and thought people looked nice or well-dressed? Not for decades….we’d have to go back to Christian Dior in the 1950’s.
Have you ever toured around one of the former eastern block countries? Now there is architecture that is an order of magnitude or two worse than anything I’ve seen in the west (yet). One city in Croatia in particular has an astonishing range, from a spectacular Roman Coliseum all the way down to the most grotesque concrete block high rises.
Great post. I acutely feel your pain!
Firstly, ‘The Nova’ has nothing to do with “Brutalism”- a specific architectural style of the ’50s and ’60s, involving raw materials (usually concrete) and the idea of ‘form following function’. The Nova features neither of these- it’s just contemporary slick corporate ‘architecture as icon’.
Secondly, the dreaded Guardian’s chief architecture critic wrote an article at the time of its unveiling titled “A bright, preening cockerel crowned Britain’s ugliest building”, saying that it “embodies the sort of overblown crystaline lumps in vogue on designers’ drawing boards a decade ago.” Nothing there tormenting your notional “average man”.
So, yes, I agree it’s certainly a dismal piece of architecture, but your attempt to put the standard unHerd culture-wars spin on it is lazy.
In general I agree and was thus mightily surprised when the Prince brothers unveiled the statue to their mother, Diana, which was out and out figurative.
Yes it’s a truly awful statue. I would be furious about it.
Yes it’s a truly awful statue. I would be furious about it.
They will be burning books next!
but what about the carbon emission and effect on forests? !!!!!
Did you know that it’s a statistical fact that there’s a direct correlation between the intelligence of a comment and the number of exclamation marks it contains?!!!!!!!!!
,,, inverse correlation …
,,, inverse correlation …
Did you know that it’s a statistical fact that there’s a direct correlation between the intelligence of a comment and the number of exclamation marks it contains?!!!!!!!!!
but what about the carbon emission and effect on forests? !!!!!
To your point about ‘beauty’; It is eternal and art works which endure throughout time are those which remain in the public’s imagination and heart.
I quite agree with you, and see this a lot in real estate/construction as well (my field). Some of the modern buildings are so ugly that they give the impression they were designed that way as a deliberate form of perversity. In addition, many are profoundly anti-human in a lot of respects; scale, balance etc.
There’s seems to more to it than just the profit motive — stuffing as many saleable units into this tower as possible, up to the max allowable height restrictions, that’s an expected approach for a developer — but some of these designs are so aggressively, startlingly ugly that it feels one must go quite out of the way to arrive at such a design.
In Victoria (in London, SW1) they put up the Nova building a few years back, which was crowned ugliest building in the UK. I assure you, it’s a deserving winner. Naturally many mod-ish types popped up to give comment in the Guardian etc explaining that actually it was a very good example of brutalism (almost as though the average man was too stupid to appreciate that this ugly thing was really very beautiful indeed, natch). Well, two points on that:
— Surely beauty should not be a riddle wrapped in an enigma, such that we have to tilt our heads sideways and read an accompanying explanatory note to actually see it?
— It may well be a decent example of the brutalist style. But did anyone ask the locals if they would like to be brutalised by the architecture?
It honestly makes me sad every time I go past it, especially since it’s dominating scale means it now overshadows a whole chunk of Victoria, and thousands of people now live/work/walk in the shadows of it’s grim form. To place such a monstrosity among the Regency/Victorian splendour displayed across SW1 is akin to architectural vandalism, in my view. Perverse and aggressive.
In general I agree and was thus mightily surprised when the Prince brothers unveiled the statue to their mother, Diana, which was out and out figurative.
They will be burning books next!
To your point about ‘beauty’; It is eternal and art works which endure throughout time are those which remain in the public’s imagination and heart.
Thanks. Great read.
I can’t actually recall the last time some modern architecture or art was unveiled that would even come close in my mind to being regarded as beautiful. This latest offering is no exception.
This and most other ‘works’ are not just ugly, but exhibit a sort of anti-beauty; a highjacking of aesthetics so overt one is left wondering whether their purpose is to deliberately provoke – that or to crush the spirits of those unfortunate enough to regularly endure their prescence. Or maybe it’s a tactic – unconscious or otherwise – to warp the public’s sensibilities right down to the primordal conception of beauty; a ghastly (and hopefully futile) quest for ultimate control down to subliminal thinking.
Or maybe its more simple. Maybe the artworld – and especially those with the power to decide what and what isn’t worthy of exhibition – are simply deviod of taste or otherwise more than happy to subordinate beauty to whatever political message that this new art represents so long, of course, it tallies with their own hideously lopsided view of the world.
Either way, I’m increasingly of the opinion that ‘progress’ – whether it be in art or in any number of fields is not progress in slightest, but a dark march backwards.
Excellent essay: no surprise, of course. As Orwell said a long time ago, worthwhile art doesn’t derive from committees or the party line.
As an aside, does anyone (even at the Grauniad) take any of Afua Hirsch’s jeremiads in any way seriously? (I only ask because she was cited in the essay.)
She appears to be a very stupid & confused woman!
Ah, but to whom? She is precisely what it is admired today. The more buffoonish and blindingly ignorant one is, the more they are admired in a society that “…offers bureaucratic compassion via algorithmic taxonomies of “intersecting” victimhood.”
Still, 80 years ago people were being gassed to death in their millions, so things aren’t that bad, eh? It’s always handy to keep things in perspective.
I guess that makes everything that happens now alright then?
I guess that makes everything that happens now alright then?
Still, 80 years ago people were being gassed to death in their millions, so things aren’t that bad, eh? It’s always handy to keep things in perspective.
Ah, but to whom? She is precisely what it is admired today. The more buffoonish and blindingly ignorant one is, the more they are admired in a society that “…offers bureaucratic compassion via algorithmic taxonomies of “intersecting” victimhood.”
She appears to be a very stupid & confused woman!
Excellent essay: no surprise, of course. As Orwell said a long time ago, worthwhile art doesn’t derive from committees or the party line.
As an aside, does anyone (even at the Grauniad) take any of Afua Hirsch’s jeremiads in any way seriously? (I only ask because she was cited in the essay.)
Rather than “The Embrace”, the statue should be called “The Reach Around”.
Those who wish to see it removed can take heart from the fact that it won’t be long before MLK is cancelled by the Woko Haram cult and this statue is toppled anyway.
Dr King’s dream of a future where people are judged according to their character rather than the colour of their skin is directly contradicted by the current activist mentality, that insists that you are defined, as a person, solely by the groups to which you belong, and where that group sits on the ‘hierarchy of oppression’ org-chart.
Such are the grisly identity politics of grievance – I guess they’ll get the monuments they deserve. Though Dr King and the genuine Civil Rights Movement deserved so much better.
Flipped upside down it looks like a giant pile of excrement.
no doubt the sculptor used a stool whilst at work?
no doubt the sculptor used a stool whilst at work?
Yah no. He’s reached saint status here. That won’t happen, he wasn’t conservative. At most they will ignore him.
Flipped upside down it looks like a giant pile of excrement.
Yah no. He’s reached saint status here. That won’t happen, he wasn’t conservative. At most they will ignore him.
Rather than “The Embrace”, the statue should be called “The Reach Around”.
Those who wish to see it removed can take heart from the fact that it won’t be long before MLK is cancelled by the Woko Haram cult and this statue is toppled anyway.
Dr King’s dream of a future where people are judged according to their character rather than the colour of their skin is directly contradicted by the current activist mentality, that insists that you are defined, as a person, solely by the groups to which you belong, and where that group sits on the ‘hierarchy of oppression’ org-chart.
Such are the grisly identity politics of grievance – I guess they’ll get the monuments they deserve. Though Dr King and the genuine Civil Rights Movement deserved so much better.
Whilst another impressive dissection (no pun intended) by Mary, what i found most valuable was the link she provides at the end of the fourth paragraph to a previous article written about her experiences at Oxford and subsequently, and how they’ve shaped her ability to engage with the world in a way which moves us forward, but at the same time away from being “progressive”.
To anyone who’s not already familiar with it, i’d highly recommend it. It’ll certainly bring greater context to her pieces on Unherd.
As it happens “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world for any type of created object, as if “painting” or “sculpture” were too oppressive a description. One might almost say, that it’s an attempt to break the old definitions into pieces, but with this sculpture the pieces are both anatomical and semiotic.
Thanks for that pointer. A fascinating read and insight into the woke mind. For the first time I’m inspired to pity rather than disgust.
Me too. It was a laborious, but quite illuminating read.
You want laborious, try reading Derrida or Saussure.
You want laborious, try reading Derrida or Saussure.
Me too. It was a laborious, but quite illuminating read.
“As it happens, “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world”.
About seventy years ago, perhaps. And you must find the new-fangled term ‘a piece of music’- as in “Schubert wrote this piece shortly after moving to Zseliz”- terrifying in its Woke deconstructivism.
Thanks for that pointer. A fascinating read and insight into the woke mind. For the first time I’m inspired to pity rather than disgust.
“As it happens, “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world”.
About seventy years ago, perhaps. And you must find the new-fangled term ‘a piece of music’- as in “Schubert wrote this piece shortly after moving to Zseliz”- terrifying in its Woke deconstructivism.
Whilst another impressive dissection (no pun intended) by Mary, what i found most valuable was the link she provides at the end of the fourth paragraph to a previous article written about her experiences at Oxford and subsequently, and how they’ve shaped her ability to engage with the world in a way which moves us forward, but at the same time away from being “progressive”.
To anyone who’s not already familiar with it, i’d highly recommend it. It’ll certainly bring greater context to her pieces on Unherd.
As it happens “piece” is now the favoured term used in the art world for any type of created object, as if “painting” or “sculpture” were too oppressive a description. One might almost say, that it’s an attempt to break the old definitions into pieces, but with this sculpture the pieces are both anatomical and semiotic.
Brilliant (as usual).
Brilliant (as usual).
Outstanding essay. Can’t recall a better expressed or more accurate summary of cultural developments since 1945. The bit about residues of the old order being treated as relics reminded me of what Kenneth Rexroth said about my mistress Simone Weil, when her worked started to receive increased attention in the late 50s: “a weird, embarrassing relic of a too immediate past.”
My one criticism is the essay seems a little pessimistic on Christianity. I dont see how ‘the most vigorous possible negation of Christian humanism’ is characteristic of the swarm as a whole. Even in closed doors labour party meetings, in my experience Christianity (& admittedly other religions) are invariably spoken of positively, considered pro-soical even by non believers. My suggestion for anyone feeling too bleak about our cultural trajectory is to divert their gaze from the worrying trends, to attend instead to the inspiring counter currents that suggest that while some may have giving up Christianity, Christ hasn’t given up on the world. His Light still shines through in all sorts of places. Christian artist youtubers Gio Pennacchietti & Jonathan Pageau might be inspiring to some, for example. And in person is often best, perhaps try a different church if your regular one isnt giving you a spiritual lift.
Outstanding essay. Can’t recall a better expressed or more accurate summary of cultural developments since 1945. The bit about residues of the old order being treated as relics reminded me of what Kenneth Rexroth said about my mistress Simone Weil, when her worked started to receive increased attention in the late 50s: “a weird, embarrassing relic of a too immediate past.”
My one criticism is the essay seems a little pessimistic on Christianity. I dont see how ‘the most vigorous possible negation of Christian humanism’ is characteristic of the swarm as a whole. Even in closed doors labour party meetings, in my experience Christianity (& admittedly other religions) are invariably spoken of positively, considered pro-soical even by non believers. My suggestion for anyone feeling too bleak about our cultural trajectory is to divert their gaze from the worrying trends, to attend instead to the inspiring counter currents that suggest that while some may have giving up Christianity, Christ hasn’t given up on the world. His Light still shines through in all sorts of places. Christian artist youtubers Gio Pennacchietti & Jonathan Pageau might be inspiring to some, for example. And in person is often best, perhaps try a different church if your regular one isnt giving you a spiritual lift.
A forlorn hope I know, but would it not be a lot healthier for everyone’s sanity instead, for the woke generations to grow up and embrace both the past and the future in it’s full technicolour, sinister splendor, eyes wide open? Come what may out of the past or into the future? For a start, it might afford them a degree of control over a future where they currently have none, because you cannot control what you wilfully don’t acknowledge.
I’m genuinely confused here. “The Wokists” are constantly being accused of two, simultaneously exclusive, evils.
On the one hand, they are supposedly dismissing all of the cultural and political ‘heroes’ by looking too deeply into their putative flaws and contadictions- Churchill, for example, was a great war leader but also believed the “white races” were genetically superior- and on the other, they are accused of ignoring reality and complexity, of not having their “eyes wide open”, of hiding from the past in its “sinister splendor”.
So is the biography of Churchill to be seen with eyes wide open, in all its achievements and flaws, or is he to be unquestioningly gloried, as a comment below puts it, as one of the “idealised” “Heroes of Britain”?
I cannot speak for others, but for myself, by “eyes wide open” I mean just that – there should be no circumstance under which you unquestionably glorify anyone, not Churchill, not Mother Teresa, not anyone. You accept and acknowledge the existence of the good, the bad, the ugly in everyone. You separate out the person and their beliefs (who might have been a neurotic mess, or a rabid racist, or anything) from their work and output. This also implies you extend a large degree of leeway to everyone on both speech and behaviour, so free speech and freedom of belief can flourish, and you don’t lose the talents of those you disagree with, because you have sent a whole host of people, who might have said something considered verboten, or even refused to participate in some religious ritual like ‘taking the knee’, to Coventry.
Churchill was all sorts, all overlaid over each other: a great spirit, a great bully, a great leader and someone who made multiple disastrous mistakes, a confector and manipulator of emotions and yet a victim of his own emotions, far-sighted yet very much a product of his time, an outright racist and yet a dewy-eyed internationalist, utterly ruthless autocrat and yet a believer in freedom and democracy. My point is: would Churchill been allowed to survive and thrive in the political climate of today, escaping the charges of hypocrisy and buffoonery, which destroyed for example Johnson, when Churchill changed not just beliefs but parties across a long career and had an unending string of minor indiscretions in all sorts of contexts? And if he had been cancelled, would that not have been a great, potentially even catastrophic, loss for this country?
I’m not sure that comparing Churchill- whatever his many faults- with that vacuous, poinltess inanity Johnson is doing your argument any favours, but yes- I largely agree. And a good description of Churchill’s hugely complex personality.
I’m not sure that comparing Churchill- whatever his many faults- with that vacuous, poinltess inanity Johnson is doing your argument any favours, but yes- I largely agree. And a good description of Churchill’s hugely complex personality.
I cannot speak for others, but for myself, by “eyes wide open” I mean just that – there should be no circumstance under which you unquestionably glorify anyone, not Churchill, not Mother Teresa, not anyone. You accept and acknowledge the existence of the good, the bad, the ugly in everyone. You separate out the person and their beliefs (who might have been a neurotic mess, or a rabid racist, or anything) from their work and output. This also implies you extend a large degree of leeway to everyone on both speech and behaviour, so free speech and freedom of belief can flourish, and you don’t lose the talents of those you disagree with, because you have sent a whole host of people, who might have said something considered verboten, or even refused to participate in some religious ritual like ‘taking the knee’, to Coventry.
Churchill was all sorts, all overlaid over each other: a great spirit, a great bully, a great leader and someone who made multiple disastrous mistakes, a confector and manipulator of emotions and yet a victim of his own emotions, far-sighted yet very much a product of his time, an outright racist and yet a dewy-eyed internationalist, utterly ruthless autocrat and yet a believer in freedom and democracy. My point is: would Churchill been allowed to survive and thrive in the political climate of today, escaping the charges of hypocrisy and buffoonery, which destroyed for example Johnson, when Churchill changed not just beliefs but parties across a long career and had an unending string of minor indiscretions in all sorts of contexts? And if he had been cancelled, would that not have been a great, potentially even catastrophic, loss for this country?
I’m genuinely confused here. “The Wokists” are constantly being accused of two, simultaneously exclusive, evils.
On the one hand, they are supposedly dismissing all of the cultural and political ‘heroes’ by looking too deeply into their putative flaws and contadictions- Churchill, for example, was a great war leader but also believed the “white races” were genetically superior- and on the other, they are accused of ignoring reality and complexity, of not having their “eyes wide open”, of hiding from the past in its “sinister splendor”.
So is the biography of Churchill to be seen with eyes wide open, in all its achievements and flaws, or is he to be unquestioningly gloried, as a comment below puts it, as one of the “idealised” “Heroes of Britain”?
A forlorn hope I know, but would it not be a lot healthier for everyone’s sanity instead, for the woke generations to grow up and embrace both the past and the future in it’s full technicolour, sinister splendor, eyes wide open? Come what may out of the past or into the future? For a start, it might afford them a degree of control over a future where they currently have none, because you cannot control what you wilfully don’t acknowledge.
“Swarm”. Yes, I like that.
“Swarm”. Yes, I like that.
If the Conservatives had a brain they would commission 100 “Heroes of Britain” figurative, idealised statues around the UK to celebrate the Coronation. Everyone from Boadicea to say, Francis Crick would get a statue (they shouldn’t go too modern or they will be accused of party bias). They should not let the art establishment anywhere near the project. The post-modernist elites will hate it but the public will like it and what can the elites do?
I think Francis Crick has been cancelled, I’m afraid.
Along with Hans Jürgen Eysenck and too many others sadly.
Along with Hans Jürgen Eysenck and too many others sadly.
There’s a statue of Francis Crick in the quadrangle at Northampton’s Guildhall. He was born in Weston Favell, a village swallowed up by Northampton’s new town expansion in the 1970’s.
How long before ‘the mob’ topple it, with complete impunity?
The toppling of the MLK monstrosity couldn’t happen fast enough…
The toppling of the MLK monstrosity couldn’t happen fast enough…
How long before ‘the mob’ topple it, with complete impunity?
That sounds wonderfully Soviet- Stalin would certainly have loved it, and Putin too, no doubt.
I’m not sure the modern British public would be quite as enthused by your exercise in state propaganda kitsch as you assume, though.
I’m not sure why patriotic statuary is Soviet. It was all the rage in Britain until the 1970s. I think people would love it. I remember in 2002 (before the rise of the woke mob) the BBC ran a 100 Greatest Britain’s competition and it was a great public success.
The top 10 were: Churchill, Brunel, Princess Di(!), Darwin, Shakespeare, Newton, Elizabeth I, John Lennon, Nelson, Cromwell.
In fact, take out the ones that are still alive (they were generally in their heyday when the poll ran like Robbie Williams) and you have a pretty decent list for your statues.
I’m not sure why patriotic statuary is Soviet. It was all the rage in Britain until the 1970s. I think people would love it. I remember in 2002 (before the rise of the woke mob) the BBC ran a 100 Greatest Britain’s competition and it was a great public success.
The top 10 were: Churchill, Brunel, Princess Di(!), Darwin, Shakespeare, Newton, Elizabeth I, John Lennon, Nelson, Cromwell.
In fact, take out the ones that are still alive (they were generally in their heyday when the poll ran like Robbie Williams) and you have a pretty decent list for your statues.
I think Francis Crick has been cancelled, I’m afraid.
There’s a statue of Francis Crick in the quadrangle at Northampton’s Guildhall. He was born in Weston Favell, a village swallowed up by Northampton’s new town expansion in the 1970’s.
That sounds wonderfully Soviet- Stalin would certainly have loved it, and Putin too, no doubt.
I’m not sure the modern British public would be quite as enthused by your exercise in state propaganda kitsch as you assume, though.
If the Conservatives had a brain they would commission 100 “Heroes of Britain” figurative, idealised statues around the UK to celebrate the Coronation. Everyone from Boadicea to say, Francis Crick would get a statue (they shouldn’t go too modern or they will be accused of party bias). They should not let the art establishment anywhere near the project. The post-modernist elites will hate it but the public will like it and what can the elites do?
The decision to commemorate him through a statue depicting a headless embrace with his wife is interesting in light of the fact that MLK’s love life was his Achilles heel, soon detected and duly exploited by the FBI. They even sent his wife sex tapes made by bugging his hotel rooms, and repeatedly tried to embroil him in scandal to discredit him. His staff was often occupied in covering up his affairs, including on the day of his assassination, when his playmate of the night before had to be discreetly whisked out of sight. The statue can be read as saying, his private life was a tangled mess – perhaps the FBI designed this statue? For more on this, see https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/love-life-of-martin-luther-king-jr-193f19db839. I do think that Coretta, for putting up with all that aggravation, deserved at least to have her face on that statue though.
The decision to commemorate him through a statue depicting a headless embrace with his wife is interesting in light of the fact that MLK’s love life was his Achilles heel, soon detected and duly exploited by the FBI. They even sent his wife sex tapes made by bugging his hotel rooms, and repeatedly tried to embroil him in scandal to discredit him. His staff was often occupied in covering up his affairs, including on the day of his assassination, when his playmate of the night before had to be discreetly whisked out of sight. The statue can be read as saying, his private life was a tangled mess – perhaps the FBI designed this statue? For more on this, see https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/love-life-of-martin-luther-king-jr-193f19db839. I do think that Coretta, for putting up with all that aggravation, deserved at least to have her face on that statue though.
Dr King was a good man who deserves better than this.
Dr King was a good man who deserves better than this.
My favorite social media comment on this lovely piece so far — “It’s twue! It’s twue!”
It’s as if the sculptor was charged specifically with combining the worst of abstraction and realism. Are we to remember the doctor only by the buttons on his sleeves?
My favorite social media comment on this lovely piece so far — “It’s twue! It’s twue!”
It’s as if the sculptor was charged specifically with combining the worst of abstraction and realism. Are we to remember the doctor only by the buttons on his sleeves?
Roger Scruton’s documentary on Art and Beauty available on YouTube is a wonderful exposition of why modern art is often so worthless.
Roger Scruton’s documentary on Art and Beauty available on YouTube is a wonderful exposition of why modern art is often so worthless.
Back in the 70s, the city of Hartford, Connecticut commissioned a sculpture for a little green plot in its downtown. They paid the “artist”, Carl Andre, $87,000 (quite a chunk of change fifty years ago). The sculpture was a bunch of large rocks lined up in rows on the grass. Naturally, people were as outraged at the waste of tax dollars as they were with the insult to their sensibilities, and the city tried to get out of paying the guy (they didn’t succeed). Funny thing, though: in 2015, construction workers spray painted the rocks, not realizing they were “art”. Maybe Boston’s graffiti taggers will do the same for the obscene King thingy.
Back in the 70s, the city of Hartford, Connecticut commissioned a sculpture for a little green plot in its downtown. They paid the “artist”, Carl Andre, $87,000 (quite a chunk of change fifty years ago). The sculpture was a bunch of large rocks lined up in rows on the grass. Naturally, people were as outraged at the waste of tax dollars as they were with the insult to their sensibilities, and the city tried to get out of paying the guy (they didn’t succeed). Funny thing, though: in 2015, construction workers spray painted the rocks, not realizing they were “art”. Maybe Boston’s graffiti taggers will do the same for the obscene King thingy.
It’s ironic that the statue has MLK hugging his wife. MLK was a great leader but also a great ‘cheater’; Corretta deserved better from her Christian minister husband.
Seems to be a genetic flaw and nothing to do with Christianity. We are all sinners, indeed.
is that the Mercedes MLK? Nice car…
Seems to be a genetic flaw and nothing to do with Christianity. We are all sinners, indeed.
is that the Mercedes MLK? Nice car…
It’s ironic that the statue has MLK hugging his wife. MLK was a great leader but also a great ‘cheater’; Corretta deserved better from her Christian minister husband.
This divide is wonderfully illustrated by the two Mary statues unveiled in 2020 and 2022 respectively. Google Mary Wollstonecraft statue on Newington Green…really hideous with a tiny naked woman on top of a huge blob of metal. Or Mary Anning in Lyme Regis, a beautiful portrait with meticulous detail and wonderful face hands and intent, striding out, geological hammer in hand towards the Jurassic cliffs.
This divide is wonderfully illustrated by the two Mary statues unveiled in 2020 and 2022 respectively. Google Mary Wollstonecraft statue on Newington Green…really hideous with a tiny naked woman on top of a huge blob of metal. Or Mary Anning in Lyme Regis, a beautiful portrait with meticulous detail and wonderful face hands and intent, striding out, geological hammer in hand towards the Jurassic cliffs.
Grūtas Park is no doubt named after the soldier who turned Hannibal Lecter into a cannibal.
Grūtas Park is no doubt named after the soldier who turned Hannibal Lecter into a cannibal.
OK but I thought the people of Boston actually voted for that design. So it was chosen by the ‘herd’.
‘The process began six years ago with a national call for proposals. There were 126 submissions and five finalists. Embrace Boston did consult with the King family, but the people of Boston chose Thomas’ idea, casting their ballots at voting booths set up in post offices, libraries and city hall.’
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/martin-luther-king-jr-coretta-scott-king-monument-the-embrace-boston-common/
My mums an art nerd.
He did say he was nervous about not putting the heads on. He said it was emphasise the embrace, honestly I think the headless swarm thing is taking it way out of context.
“to emphasise the embrace”.
OK, but why even take this approach? This sculpture is supposed to honour MLK and his wife – both actual people. They weren’t just a pair of arms, were they?
This sculpture involves a weird dismembering of the human being. Instead of recognisable people, you have only limbs and strange shapes. Which is precisely what Mary is talking about.
The normal people of Boston choose it. From a selection. I doubt the majority have ever heard swarmism. I certainly haven’t apart from here. Probably because they liked the design. Not on weird idealogical grounds of decapitating anything.
Probably on the grounds the artist describes:
‘It’s called “The Embrace,” and to design it, Hank Willis Thomas pored over hundreds of images of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and his wife, Coretta Scott King. “There was an intimacy that I saw that wasn’t really highlighted often,” Thomas said. “Often when you do look closely at pictures, they’re holding each other’s hands.”
‘And so, rather than depicting whole figures, Thomas, along with architects from the MASS Design Group, decided to represent a specific moment of intimacy, depicting only their arms and hands
“I’m kind of scared, because representing the Kings without their faces is a bold move,” Thomas said. ‘
From original link.
Why shouldn’t the artist take the approach they want? He discusses why he left the heads off etc. Seems a reasonable arty farty explanation to me. If people didn’t like it they wouldn’t have voted for it.
This paragraph from the article: In other words: it’s not that we no longer have skilled artists making beautiful, proportionate, figurative work. It’s just that, the class with its hands on the purse-strings doesn’t care. For what this class seeks to represent — the class that dominates media, NGOs, universities and the like — is its own form of power: one which I have elsewhere called swarmism.
Is incorrect. Because people voted for it. It had nothing to do with purse strings.
I live in Boston and I very much doubt that “the people” voted for it.
Quite. We need context here. Firstly, what were the other options offered? Was there an option of ‘none if these designs’? How many people voted for each option? How widespread was the publicity for the vote? Was a there a threshold of total votes that had to be reached to ensure that at least some minimum percentage of the population had expressed a choice? It’s quite easy to see how any such ‘consultation’ merely becomes an exercise in self-selecting groups pushing through something that a great majority of people either don’t want or have no opinion.
Just so. Not “rigged,” just “an exercise in self-selecting groups pushing through something that a great majority of people don’t want.”
Just so. Not “rigged,” just “an exercise in self-selecting groups pushing through something that a great majority of people don’t want.”
But they did. They set up a ballot in libraries, city hall etc. The article I provided clearly states that. It was chosen from over 100 entries whittled down to five. Mlk family was consulted. The people voted for it. Are you saying they rigged it? Lmao. When you got a source or some assertion for that that isn’t just your opinion, come back.
You can say that the design was selected based on the criteria of the voting system. This is not the same as ‘the people voted for it’. I would imagine that a great many did not and many more did not even bother to vote. If you have any references for how many votes were cast for each option, that might give some insight. Also, were all eligible voters issued with voting forms, which they could then either use or discard, or was this based on individuals actively choosing to participate? This is not to imply that it was rigged, but setting up ballots boxes in public buildings does suggest that the voting cohort was self-selecting. It might also be that only people with a reason to visit the library or City Hall engaged with the process.
Jesus that’s taking it a bit deep it wasn’t a general election. I literally cba, swallow the swarm idea if it suits you. I think it’s fair to say that from that article it sounds like people had a fair chance and a choice. It’s fairer to say that than it is to say evil swarm imposed it on everyone. My version is closer to reality. It sounds like a pretty standard community art project. That’s a pretty standard format for choosing stuff like that.
America is obsessed with rigged elections.
You’re wasting your time on this one- it’s very important to realise that this (admittedly remarkably poor) sculpture represents everything abhorrent to decent humanity, and anything that gets in the way of this enjoyably hysterical group rant (facts, for example, or actually knowing anything at all about it) are unwelcome. The simple and banal fact that lots of people like bad art doesn’t whip up the necessary End Of Times paranoia so beloved by the denizens of the internet.
Certainly makes for entertaining sport. The stuff people are drawing out of it is crazy to me. I can’t really claim to be qualified to say if the sculpture is any good. But I think people are getting really carried away considering the process they went through to select it.
Certainly makes for entertaining sport. The stuff people are drawing out of it is crazy to me. I can’t really claim to be qualified to say if the sculpture is any good. But I think people are getting really carried away considering the process they went through to select it.
You’re wasting your time on this one- it’s very important to realise that this (admittedly remarkably poor) sculpture represents everything abhorrent to decent humanity, and anything that gets in the way of this enjoyably hysterical group rant (facts, for example, or actually knowing anything at all about it) are unwelcome. The simple and banal fact that lots of people like bad art doesn’t whip up the necessary End Of Times paranoia so beloved by the denizens of the internet.
Jesus that’s taking it a bit deep it wasn’t a general election. I literally cba, swallow the swarm idea if it suits you. I think it’s fair to say that from that article it sounds like people had a fair chance and a choice. It’s fairer to say that than it is to say evil swarm imposed it on everyone. My version is closer to reality. It sounds like a pretty standard community art project. That’s a pretty standard format for choosing stuff like that.
America is obsessed with rigged elections.
You can say that the design was selected based on the criteria of the voting system. This is not the same as ‘the people voted for it’. I would imagine that a great many did not and many more did not even bother to vote. If you have any references for how many votes were cast for each option, that might give some insight. Also, were all eligible voters issued with voting forms, which they could then either use or discard, or was this based on individuals actively choosing to participate? This is not to imply that it was rigged, but setting up ballots boxes in public buildings does suggest that the voting cohort was self-selecting. It might also be that only people with a reason to visit the library or City Hall engaged with the process.
Quite. We need context here. Firstly, what were the other options offered? Was there an option of ‘none if these designs’? How many people voted for each option? How widespread was the publicity for the vote? Was a there a threshold of total votes that had to be reached to ensure that at least some minimum percentage of the population had expressed a choice? It’s quite easy to see how any such ‘consultation’ merely becomes an exercise in self-selecting groups pushing through something that a great majority of people either don’t want or have no opinion.
But they did. They set up a ballot in libraries, city hall etc. The article I provided clearly states that. It was chosen from over 100 entries whittled down to five. Mlk family was consulted. The people voted for it. Are you saying they rigged it? Lmao. When you got a source or some assertion for that that isn’t just your opinion, come back.
For a moment Ms Emery I thought you were discussing Boston in Lincolnshire.
To my mind there is no finer artistic creation in either Boston Massachusetts or Boston Lincolnshire, than the magnificent tower of St Botolph’s Church, situated in the later.
Soaring to 81.31 metres*, and topped by an octagonal lantern, it was completed around 1520, and is simply without equal. Amusingly it is referred to as the Boston Stump in the vernacular!
(* 266’ 9” in ‘English’)
I haven’t heard of that Mr Stanhope I will look it up. Sounds rather spectacular.
I’m just shredding another (in my humble opinion) nonsense article. Procrastinating really, I’m on paperwork duty atm 🙂
You used to be allowed to climb to the top, but as always these days, wretched ‘health & safety’ now prevent this!
However there is always Lincoln which you can still ascend (summer only).
Now Lincoln I do know a little about, my mum actually visited it in the summer! She said it was well worth a trip.
Health and safety is a minefield these days.
Now Lincoln I do know a little about, my mum actually visited it in the summer! She said it was well worth a trip.
Health and safety is a minefield these days.
You used to be allowed to climb to the top, but as always these days, wretched ‘health & safety’ now prevent this!
However there is always Lincoln which you can still ascend (summer only).
I did look it up. It is spectacular, Wikibeast says it ‘was commonly believed’ the tower may have been lit at night? As a marker for travellers and boats? Amazing.
Be careful. It may attract Russian tourists if it truly does rival the magnificence of the spire of Salisbury Cathedral.
I haven’t heard of that Mr Stanhope I will look it up. Sounds rather spectacular.
I’m just shredding another (in my humble opinion) nonsense article. Procrastinating really, I’m on paperwork duty atm 🙂
I did look it up. It is spectacular, Wikibeast says it ‘was commonly believed’ the tower may have been lit at night? As a marker for travellers and boats? Amazing.
Be careful. It may attract Russian tourists if it truly does rival the magnificence of the spire of Salisbury Cathedral.
In a way what you are saying is even more discouraging. But seeing the kind of people that get elected to public office these days, is it surprising? It’s the same people voting.
Why is it? Its being taken well out of context. This part of the article:
Dismembered limbs. Torture flashbacks. Screams. Humans pulled apart and reassembled. A chilling scene in the 2007 Battlestar Galactica sci-fi movie Razor depicts Commander Adama’s recollections of stumbling upon a laboratory where the flesh/robot hybrid Cylons conducted horrific experiments on living human beings
The Embrace, a new statue unveiled in Boston to honour Martin Luther King, brought exactly this to mind.
Is a well overblown comparison.
If you don’t like it that’s fine, it’s not really my cup of tea but to say it’s been imposed by a swarm and has all these other meanings about race etc attached to it is stretching it. That’s not what the artist said it was about, it was not imposed it was selected by what sounds like, a reasonably fair process.
Why is it? Its being taken well out of context. This part of the article:
Dismembered limbs. Torture flashbacks. Screams. Humans pulled apart and reassembled. A chilling scene in the 2007 Battlestar Galactica sci-fi movie Razor depicts Commander Adama’s recollections of stumbling upon a laboratory where the flesh/robot hybrid Cylons conducted horrific experiments on living human beings
The Embrace, a new statue unveiled in Boston to honour Martin Luther King, brought exactly this to mind.
Is a well overblown comparison.
If you don’t like it that’s fine, it’s not really my cup of tea but to say it’s been imposed by a swarm and has all these other meanings about race etc attached to it is stretching it. That’s not what the artist said it was about, it was not imposed it was selected by what sounds like, a reasonably fair process.
I live in Boston and I very much doubt that “the people” voted for it.
For a moment Ms Emery I thought you were discussing Boston in Lincolnshire.
To my mind there is no finer artistic creation in either Boston Massachusetts or Boston Lincolnshire, than the magnificent tower of St Botolph’s Church, situated in the later.
Soaring to 81.31 metres*, and topped by an octagonal lantern, it was completed around 1520, and is simply without equal. Amusingly it is referred to as the Boston Stump in the vernacular!
(* 266’ 9” in ‘English’)
In a way what you are saying is even more discouraging. But seeing the kind of people that get elected to public office these days, is it surprising? It’s the same people voting.
The normal people of Boston choose it. From a selection. I doubt the majority have ever heard swarmism. I certainly haven’t apart from here. Probably because they liked the design. Not on weird idealogical grounds of decapitating anything.
Probably on the grounds the artist describes:
‘It’s called “The Embrace,” and to design it, Hank Willis Thomas pored over hundreds of images of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and his wife, Coretta Scott King. “There was an intimacy that I saw that wasn’t really highlighted often,” Thomas said. “Often when you do look closely at pictures, they’re holding each other’s hands.”
‘And so, rather than depicting whole figures, Thomas, along with architects from the MASS Design Group, decided to represent a specific moment of intimacy, depicting only their arms and hands
“I’m kind of scared, because representing the Kings without their faces is a bold move,” Thomas said. ‘
From original link.
Why shouldn’t the artist take the approach they want? He discusses why he left the heads off etc. Seems a reasonable arty farty explanation to me. If people didn’t like it they wouldn’t have voted for it.
This paragraph from the article: In other words: it’s not that we no longer have skilled artists making beautiful, proportionate, figurative work. It’s just that, the class with its hands on the purse-strings doesn’t care. For what this class seeks to represent — the class that dominates media, NGOs, universities and the like — is its own form of power: one which I have elsewhere called swarmism.
Is incorrect. Because people voted for it. It had nothing to do with purse strings.
Overdetermined, perhaps, as the swarm’s center of gravity is somewhere near Boston!
Cor blimey do you believe in democracy or what? How much fairer can it be than allowing people to vote by ballot in a library, post office or city hall. I am exasperated. It is making me determined.
Fighting the good fight! I liked the article but I think you’re right. Well said.
Fighting the good fight! I liked the article but I think you’re right. Well said.
Cor blimey do you believe in democracy or what? How much fairer can it be than allowing people to vote by ballot in a library, post office or city hall. I am exasperated. It is making me determined.
Thank you so much for clearing this up. This information really changes my perception of the statue and its aesthetic shortcomings.
“to emphasise the embrace”.
OK, but why even take this approach? This sculpture is supposed to honour MLK and his wife – both actual people. They weren’t just a pair of arms, were they?
This sculpture involves a weird dismembering of the human being. Instead of recognisable people, you have only limbs and strange shapes. Which is precisely what Mary is talking about.
Overdetermined, perhaps, as the swarm’s center of gravity is somewhere near Boston!
Thank you so much for clearing this up. This information really changes my perception of the statue and its aesthetic shortcomings.
OK but I thought the people of Boston actually voted for that design. So it was chosen by the ‘herd’.
‘The process began six years ago with a national call for proposals. There were 126 submissions and five finalists. Embrace Boston did consult with the King family, but the people of Boston chose Thomas’ idea, casting their ballots at voting booths set up in post offices, libraries and city hall.’
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/martin-luther-king-jr-coretta-scott-king-monument-the-embrace-boston-common/
My mums an art nerd.
He did say he was nervous about not putting the heads on. He said it was emphasise the embrace, honestly I think the headless swarm thing is taking it way out of context.
A quite brilliant piece, if both depressing and disturbing.
A quite brilliant piece, if both depressing and disturbing.
Nice to see the Battlestar Galactica reference. I always tell people its one of the best fracking tv shows ever made (the Ron Moore reboot). So say we all!
Nice to see the Battlestar Galactica reference. I always tell people its one of the best fracking tv shows ever made (the Ron Moore reboot). So say we all!
A refreshing read. The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism or shared values ( read culture) is reducing so much art to grievence genuflecting and ego “deeply personal” uniquely empty work.
“The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism…”
So you don’t agree with the author’s terror of this omnipotent “swarm”, then? Or is it an ‘individualistic swarm’? Is each person their own “swarm” now? How does this actually work?
Apparently, according to a commenter above on my increasingly exasperated thread: ‘the swarms Centre of gravity is somewhere near Boston’. I did have to restrain my reply. I’m also intrigued how this business works.
There’s something historically revolting about this “swarm” term- or ‘meme’, as it’s yet another manifestation of online Manichaeinism.
Enthusiastically throwing around de-humanising words that reduce the people you disagree with to the status of insect infestations doesn’t really fit with the self-proclaimed ‘humanism’ of the users.
Very good point, I hadn’t thought about that. I don’t think it’s helpful, or a good description of how any society really works. Like you say, reducing people you disagree with to insect type swarms repeatedly is hardly promoting humanism. Especially considering the article she’s just authored on the post. Apparently it’s bold new thinking. Or the oldest manichaeism trick in the book. Whichever people prefer.
Well, well. I’ll go ahead and just insert this here as it seems as an appropriate place as any.
Firstly, it seems to me and my reading of this article that the “critic” cherishes “Christianity” and all its obsequious values. As if any artwork that doesn’t hold to her ideological, cultural construct of what “public art ‘ought to be'” is therefore not very good art if art at all.
Secondly, I almost, well I did, giggle at the term, “swarmist”. Along with her paranoid seeming rants on dismembered body parts. There is no actual “dis-member-ment” going on in the work. It is, to my artistic eye (an actual practicing visual arts professional) a bit on the clumsy side.
And, yes, it maintains the typical New York Art World’s intellectualistic flavor of the month. However all in all I found it a waste of my precious time to invest in reading it. Much ado about not much to say. As if, the whole of humankind ought to right itself to her tastes, political beliefs, philosophies (if she’s ever delved into Philosophy), aesthetics, sociological perspectives, etc..
Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness. Really from my point of view it’s just “anti-woke wokeness”. We’ve become so obsessed with language and how it does in fact shape our individual and collective perception of our “reality(s) that we are at odds (word wars) with each other on every little frigging thing about everything.
It could have been much easier to simply state the obivious and implied question, “What of their heads?” And further plainly further the artists dilemma vs the publics feelings of it.
Ahh, but swarmists must be outed and obliterated like some kind of dangerous enemy that threatens civilization!
It’s a f*****g sculpture! Not world war III. Blah, blah, blah.
“Art is long, and critics are the insects of a day.” — Randall Jarrell
peace & better luck next time.
Excellent points. ‘Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness’ – brilliant. That’s what I’m short on.
Its just a f*cking sculpture – lol indeed.
I think clumsy is probably the best description so far for me.
Yep, bit more research next time, I think it was a poor example for ‘swarmism’.
Absolutely- I like your term “anti-woke wokeness”; the two ‘sides’ in this relentlessly tedious ‘culture-war’ are actually remarkably similar, hence their mutual loathing.
This article displays exactly the kind of hysterically over-determined semiotics that the author accuses the ‘art-world elites’ of- a rather poor and clumsy sculpture is forced to carry the burden of every cultural and pseudo-philosophical beef she has with the modern world. It’s a pair of arms in an embrace, not done very well- really, get over yourself.
Sorry just have to say – cultural and pseudo-philosophical beef – that’s brilliant.
Sorry just have to say – cultural and pseudo-philosophical beef – that’s brilliant.
Excellent points. ‘Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness’ – brilliant. That’s what I’m short on.
Its just a f*cking sculpture – lol indeed.
I think clumsy is probably the best description so far for me.
Yep, bit more research next time, I think it was a poor example for ‘swarmism’.
Absolutely- I like your term “anti-woke wokeness”; the two ‘sides’ in this relentlessly tedious ‘culture-war’ are actually remarkably similar, hence their mutual loathing.
This article displays exactly the kind of hysterically over-determined semiotics that the author accuses the ‘art-world elites’ of- a rather poor and clumsy sculpture is forced to carry the burden of every cultural and pseudo-philosophical beef she has with the modern world. It’s a pair of arms in an embrace, not done very well- really, get over yourself.
Well, well. I’ll go ahead and just insert this here as it seems as an appropriate place as any.
Firstly, it seems to me and my reading of this article that the “critic” cherishes “Christianity” and all its obsequious values. As if any artwork that doesn’t hold to her ideological, cultural construct of what “public art ‘ought to be'” is therefore not very good art if art at all.
Secondly, I almost, well I did, giggle at the term, “swarmist”. Along with her paranoid seeming rants on dismembered body parts. There is no actual “dis-member-ment” going on in the work. It is, to my artistic eye (an actual practicing visual arts professional) a bit on the clumsy side.
And, yes, it maintains the typical New York Art World’s intellectualistic flavor of the month. However all in all I found it a waste of my precious time to invest in reading it. Much ado about not much to say. As if, the whole of humankind ought to right itself to her tastes, political beliefs, philosophies (if she’s ever delved into Philosophy), aesthetics, sociological perspectives, etc..
Lots of pseudo-intellectual wordiness. Really from my point of view it’s just “anti-woke wokeness”. We’ve become so obsessed with language and how it does in fact shape our individual and collective perception of our “reality(s) that we are at odds (word wars) with each other on every little frigging thing about everything.
It could have been much easier to simply state the obivious and implied question, “What of their heads?” And further plainly further the artists dilemma vs the publics feelings of it.
Ahh, but swarmists must be outed and obliterated like some kind of dangerous enemy that threatens civilization!
It’s a f*****g sculpture! Not world war III. Blah, blah, blah.
“Art is long, and critics are the insects of a day.” — Randall Jarrell
peace & better luck next time.
Very good point, I hadn’t thought about that. I don’t think it’s helpful, or a good description of how any society really works. Like you say, reducing people you disagree with to insect type swarms repeatedly is hardly promoting humanism. Especially considering the article she’s just authored on the post. Apparently it’s bold new thinking. Or the oldest manichaeism trick in the book. Whichever people prefer.
There’s something historically revolting about this “swarm” term- or ‘meme’, as it’s yet another manifestation of online Manichaeinism.
Enthusiastically throwing around de-humanising words that reduce the people you disagree with to the status of insect infestations doesn’t really fit with the self-proclaimed ‘humanism’ of the users.
Apparently, according to a commenter above on my increasingly exasperated thread: ‘the swarms Centre of gravity is somewhere near Boston’. I did have to restrain my reply. I’m also intrigued how this business works.
“The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism…”
So you don’t agree with the author’s terror of this omnipotent “swarm”, then? Or is it an ‘individualistic swarm’? Is each person their own “swarm” now? How does this actually work?
A refreshing read. The conspiracy of individualism over collectivism or shared values ( read culture) is reducing so much art to grievence genuflecting and ego “deeply personal” uniquely empty work.
Decadence in bronze for the end times.
You make it sound rather exciting- it doesn’t look that good to me.
You make it sound rather exciting- it doesn’t look that good to me.
Decadence in bronze for the end times.
Hideous, and an insult to all concerned.
Really? It’s only your opinion… I find it moving. If you understand French:” les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas”.
Really? It’s only your opinion… I find it moving. If you understand French:” les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas”.
Hideous, and an insult to all concerned.
In the times in which we live, the only possible monument, even for King, is a twisted mess.
You think the times in which King was having to fight for basic civil rights for black Americans were so much better, then? They may have suffered segregation and lynchings, but, hey, at least the statues were more realistic.
The fact is, King was repeatedly denounced as a Marxist trouble-maker, and he was regarded as a threat to American values by 2/3rds of Americans in 1966; even in 1983, 22 Republican Senators tried to block a national commemoration of him stating that his values were “not compatible with the values of this country”. By the time he was shot by a white supremacist, 3/4 of white Americans still “disapproved” of him, and nearly 1/3 believed he had “brought his death on himself”.
The fake, sentimental affectation of approval afforded in retrospect to King now by conservatives is frankly slightly nauseating.
All I meant is that we’re not terribly good at monuments these days.
All I meant is that we’re not terribly good at monuments these days.
You think the times in which King was having to fight for basic civil rights for black Americans were so much better, then? They may have suffered segregation and lynchings, but, hey, at least the statues were more realistic.
The fact is, King was repeatedly denounced as a Marxist trouble-maker, and he was regarded as a threat to American values by 2/3rds of Americans in 1966; even in 1983, 22 Republican Senators tried to block a national commemoration of him stating that his values were “not compatible with the values of this country”. By the time he was shot by a white supremacist, 3/4 of white Americans still “disapproved” of him, and nearly 1/3 believed he had “brought his death on himself”.
The fake, sentimental affectation of approval afforded in retrospect to King now by conservatives is frankly slightly nauseating.
In the times in which we live, the only possible monument, even for King, is a twisted mess.
Art is been in the toilet for quite some time.What came after wwii was mostly navel gazing. Horrid art and even more Horrid architecture. So swarmism isn’t replacing anything beautiful, it just the same prison dinner but this time from a different caterer. What great art had, was the ability to touch everybody. I can’t appreciate Bach in all its glory because I’m ignorant when it comes to music but I can be touch by its beauty nonetheless. You hear a monstrosity composed by John Cage and you need a doctorate in high pomposity to appreciate it
Art is been in the toilet for quite some time.What came after wwii was mostly navel gazing. Horrid art and even more Horrid architecture. So swarmism isn’t replacing anything beautiful, it just the same prison dinner but this time from a different caterer. What great art had, was the ability to touch everybody. I can’t appreciate Bach in all its glory because I’m ignorant when it comes to music but I can be touch by its beauty nonetheless. You hear a monstrosity composed by John Cage and you need a doctorate in high pomposity to appreciate it
Incorrect post.
Incorrect post.
Call me a philistine, but I cannot ever recall being kept awake at night worrying about the quality of sculpture and sculptors….
Oh.
Oh.
Call me a philistine, but I cannot ever recall being kept awake at night worrying about the quality of sculpture and sculptors….
Thnks … Great read ! I only had to read the first Pgph & 1-2/20 or so underlined references …. Derrida …. flesh …. swarm …. p***s …. love …. Christian …. I know exactly what you mean !
Thnks … Great read ! I only had to read the first Pgph & 1-2/20 or so underlined references …. Derrida …. flesh …. swarm …. p***s …. love …. Christian …. I know exactly what you mean !
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/for-the-first-time-a-statue-of-a-woman-sits-atop-this-manhattan-courthouse-012023