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Why Prince Harry went to war He chose a woman he thought would set him free

The Lost Prince: Danny Lawson/AFP/Getty

The Lost Prince: Danny Lawson/AFP/Getty


December 9, 2022   5 mins

Every few generations, the Windsors produce unhappy princes: men who can neither leave nor stay. Prince Albert, the older brother of George V, was one, but he politely died of pneumonia before he could take the throne. Edward VIII was another, exiled but lamenting, and now there is Prince Harry. There is no leaving a shared delusion, no matter how much it has harmed you: this kind of attention — the semi-sacred kind — is a powerful narcotic, and you must be a doughty character to withstand it. I think the coalition of declining, unhappy country and gilded royal family is no coincidence. Elizabeth II gave us an illusion of happiness and strength, and I wonder if that died with her. We seem to have no plans now but regret.

We do have a prince whistle-blower, however, telling his fury across six episodes of Netflix’s Harry & Meghan: the first three were released yesterday, and his memoir Spare comes next month. The TV series opens in the VIP Windsor Suite at Heathrow Airport the day the prince left Britain. It tells the story of his meeting Meghan, a coup de foudre, with summaries of his childhood and adolescence, and hers. There are parts on slavery and the British Empire; the stalking and death of his mother; the behaviour of elements of the media (offering her parents money for stories and paying neighbours to mount cameras over-looking her garden); the run-up to the wedding.

The response from the media — many of whom are being sued by the prince — has been negative. The media are accused of intrusion, where they claim there was none: a shot of the couple with their son was taken from an agreed position, and a picture of a paparazzi wall was from a Harry Potter premiere. Media say the cameras he complains of were permitted by the palace, and many were, but that compounds his misery: his family colluded with it. It is sleight of hand, of course, but who can argue they weren’t hounded? Harry shouted at a photographer as a young man: “Why don’t you just leave me alone?” It made the front page: not as an example of our immorality, but of his.

His mother, Diana, was similarly traduced for her Panorama interview. “She was deceived into giving the interview,” Harry says in the documentary, “but she spoke the truth of her experience”: that her husband abandoned her before their wedding day, but he had trauma of his own. And here he reveals the bitterness of monarchy: they are meat or mirrors. They exist to be consumed, or provide a pleasing reflection, and if they resist this, they will be punished. We require absolute compliance for our attention. He asks, remembering his mother’s tears: what am I part of?

It is so obvious that he has PTSD from his mother’s life and death, there is almost nothing left to say. There are videos of him and William in the documentary looking strained but repressing it to be polite. William shows his teeth in a photocall and lies that is happy. Even their father is shown saying that if you don’t learn to negotiate the cameras, you will go mad. Harry says he remembers very little of Diana from his early life, and that makes sense: if you hide your sadness from a child, you hide everything. He remembers the cameras though: they are his most powerful memory. He says that women he wanted were chased away, as his mother was chased away: “the media…. had driven so many other people away from me”.

Like Edward VIII, he chose a woman who he thought would free him because, as a non-British subject, she was not daunted by status. She enabled him, unlike Edward VIII, to relive the trauma of his mother’s experience, and regain some control of it. He says he fell in love with Meghan when he saw a photograph of her with dog’s ears and a dog’s nose, and that is understandable. He is an English nobleman.

It is true that Meghan is easy to mock. She is ridiculous in the way that all rich people who want to be known for goodness are, and so is he. She seems aggrieved that when performing royal duties, she had to wear neutrals (fawn, camel, cream). Then we saw a photograph of the late and current queens dressed as Cadbury’s Roses for contrast, and I laughed.

There is a shot of Meghan feeding chickens in Montecito. In the next shot, she is sitting beside a bowl of crystal balls, and I wondered briefly if they were the eggs. She seems uncomfortable expressing emotion and hides under a film of quasi-emotional language so hackneyed it is meaningless. I think it indicates insecurity, not self-love: before one date with Harry, she had a shower because “I wanted to look more like myself”. Does Meghan un-showered not look like herself?

The most interesting thing I read about her is that she is a calligrapher, which is a search for beauty and control. Her surroundings are important to her: Hermes blankets are neatly folded as she cries. But Meghan was the trigger, not the cause, of his semi-enlightenment: he chose her. She is not a reincarnation of Princess Diana, even if he compares her “empathy” and “warmth” to his mother’s. But he is. He cannot leave monarchy. But he cannot stay. He is half-conscious, and half-free.

He knows the inherent cruelty in monarchy because he lived it: the adamantine hierarchy, the suppression of emotion, the demand for ownership, the disconnection of family members from one another. After his mother died, when he wasn’t at school, it seems he was often alone at Highgrove with servants and police protection officers. He can attempt to atone for his “unconscious” bias – his description of his apology to the Jewish community for dressing as a Nazi was awkward, and moving, as I imagined a penitent teenage prince at an audience with the Chief Rabbi. He can call himself a feminist, and environmentalist, and it is true that, as Meghan says, his Instagram feed is filled with photographs of elephants.

This is where he becomes ridiculous, and pitiable though: where he is half-conscious, and half-free. You cannot leave the royal family and seek to keep the status it confers on you: not if you are repentant for its racism and sexism. You cannot talk about racism and sexism and environmentalism without talking about class. The difference between healing, his obsession, and the lack of it is not just self-realisation: it is money. And he doesn’t talk about class, or money: not one word, though he watches as his wife is wound into a fantastical ballgown by four people. His self-knowledge ends at precisely the point of his complicity.  He is still a prince, with all the expectations and pomp of a prince. We can all speak the truth of our misery, but what happens then?

He knows that some things must be exposed: media viciousness and intrusion, the collusion of his family, and the country; how monarchism isn’t love, but hunger. But he can’t acknowledge that our interest in his story is part of the same culture of unseriousness and worship of power.

He thinks he has a different future now: the Sussex brand, which will run on the money Netflix has paid him to tell his story. It is red-carpet philanthropy, which is bogus philanthropy: a luminous unseeing and unhearing of its own. It does not centre the genuinely dispossessed and the desperate: it can’t. In its glib riches, its insatiable desire for attention without merit, and its commitment to the superficial, it is as dishonest as the life he has left behind.

The Cambridges and Sussexes are at war, according to the media: the next three episodes of Harry & Meghan will be aired next week, on the same day that the Duchess of Cambridge is playing the piano at a carol concert. Remember the battle of the bridesmaids’ tights, when each duchess was accused of inciting tears in the other? This is in the same vein of pettiness.

If it is a war — and the media are determined it should be — it is a war not of substance but of style. It is not about how different the brothers are, but how similar. Both remain monied, driven, and convinced of the importance of their work as a newer world sags around them. If he continues on this path, I wonder if he will ever realise not how far he has travelled, but how little.

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Tanya Gold is a freelance journalist.

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Derek Smith
Derek Smith
1 year ago

Credit where credit is due: the Daily Star’s headline last Friday was ‘Publicity-shy couple share intimate secrets with 8bn people’.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

To quote my friend who muttered at me ”Load of charlatons arent they!” Yes indeed.

Vici C
Vici C
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

To be fair, the press’ unwanted intrusion is not the same as deliberately seeking a voice via the press. Privacy is not being invaded when you request attention.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

To quote my friend who muttered at me ”Load of charlatons arent they!” Yes indeed.

Vici C
Vici C
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

To be fair, the press’ unwanted intrusion is not the same as deliberately seeking a voice via the press. Privacy is not being invaded when you request attention.

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
1 year ago

Credit where credit is due: the Daily Star’s headline last Friday was ‘Publicity-shy couple share intimate secrets with 8bn people’.

Cho Jinn
Cho Jinn
1 year ago

On behalf of all Americans, I apologize for Meghan Markle. Price Harry was the cool one, and we ruined him.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Not the first time either.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

We did a fair old job on Harry too, not entirely your fault Cho Jinn. I think the pair of them, once together, both suffered at the hands of what they thought media popularity wanted of them. Both failed.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

We did a fair old job on Harry too, not entirely your fault Cho Jinn. I think the pair of them, once together, both suffered at the hands of what they thought media popularity wanted of them. Both failed.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

She is awful – surely the USA’s revenge for us burning down Washington in 1814. You waited 200 years, but you really stuck it to us!
But I think it is unfair to fully blame Meghan for Harry’s current, cringeworthy “woe-is-me-FOREVER” persona. Even though the constant pawing and clinging might give the impression of him being the glove puppet of the missus…he is responsible for what he does and says.
And this documentary says FAR more about America and what state it is in than it does about either Britain or the Royals.
Plus, it is hilarious and highly ironic to a) watch the Guardian slowly and quietly retreat from its defence positions and have to admit that the Sussexes are just rent-a-whingers and b) watch Sp!ked, an avowedly republican publication, run articles each week defending the monarchy. Given the choice between woke and monarchy, they clearly know the lesser evil.

Last edited 1 year ago by Katharine Eyre
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Is she really worse than Wallace Simpson?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

Good question, to which I genuinely don’t know the answer.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

I only ask because Mrs Simpson lassoed the King Emperor at a time of considerable world tension.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

If it weren’t for Wallis, the monarchy would have been stuck with a selfish little worm who admired Hitler. Thankfully, Edward VIII was a creature of no strong substance and the country was led by George VI, who gave his country the queen all leaders should aspire to emulate. Too bad she isn’t followed by Queen Anne; no one would give a thought to Diana’s illegitimate offspring.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

The Mass Observation Archive has some interesting comments by the Great British Public on King George VI’s consort.

However that is a reasonable synopsis, even if as Mr D Frost (below) points out, it was all rather fortuitous!

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I’ve have long thought the same and have blessed Mrs Simpson for her intervention.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

The Mass Observation Archive has some interesting comments by the Great British Public on King George VI’s consort.

However that is a reasonable synopsis, even if as Mr D Frost (below) points out, it was all rather fortuitous!

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I’ve have long thought the same and have blessed Mrs Simpson for her intervention.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

If it weren’t for Wallis, the monarchy would have been stuck with a selfish little worm who admired Hitler. Thankfully, Edward VIII was a creature of no strong substance and the country was led by George VI, who gave his country the queen all leaders should aspire to emulate. Too bad she isn’t followed by Queen Anne; no one would give a thought to Diana’s illegitimate offspring.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

I only ask because Mrs Simpson lassoed the King Emperor at a time of considerable world tension.

N Forster
N Forster
1 year ago

Yes. Apart from screwing cash out of the tax payer at regular intervals, the British public didn’t have to continually hear from Wallace Simpson.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  N Forster

Yes the BBC was a different organisation in those days!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  N Forster

Yes the BBC was a different organisation in those days!

D Frost
D Frost
1 year ago

Wallis (however unwittingly) did the British monarchy a great favor by keeping a wretched, low-minded Nazi sympathizer off the throne.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

The parallels are rather astonishing. Harry donned Nazi-wear as well.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Are you surprised?
The family name is the :House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Haus Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha) after all.
Windsor was just a pathetic deceit at a time of crisis.

Eric Best
Eric Best
1 year ago

To equate being German with being a NAZI seems somewhat racist, no? Are you unaware of the role of George VI or Otto von Hapsburg or many other European (frequently Germanic) royals in supporting their people against the NAZIs? You are aware that Hitler was republican (ie, anti-royal)?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Best

Racist? What utter tosh!
Germans gave Hitler a perfectly legitimate democratic electoral victory! Do you really deny that?

Agreed some petty German ‘princelings’ opposed Adolph & Co, but I suspect as many supported him!
Were not two perhaps three of the late Prince Philip’s sisters married to prominence N*ZIS?

If UNHERD wasn’t such a ‘fire & forget’ site we might be able to discuss this further. I am certain that other commentators better read than I would be able to assess how the so called German aristocracy either supported or opposed Herr Hitler.

Astonishingly I was aware that Adolph was a Republican (of sorts). I also thought he was an Austrian, so does that make him a German or something else?

ps: I think the correct usage is HABSBURG not Hapsburg, although really it should be Lorraine as a result of the marriage of Maria Theresa in 1736, as you may know.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago

“Germans gave Hitler a perfectly legitimate democratic electoral victory”. NOT REALLY. In the 1933 election the Nazi party got the largest share of the votes but NOT a majority. So under the German parliamentary system it was then up to President Hindenburg, whose mental agility had declined to a Biden level, to appoint a new Chancellor, who was Hitler; and from then it was all downhill.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Wim de Vriend

I didn’t say he won a majority did I?

I said he WON legitimately and legally, NO ifs or buts about it!

The German people will just have to live with that unpalatable fact.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Wim de Vriend

I didn’t say he won a majority did I?

I said he WON legitimately and legally, NO ifs or buts about it!

The German people will just have to live with that unpalatable fact.

Fiona Hok
Fiona Hok
1 year ago

And Adolf, not Adolph, since you’re being pedantic.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Fiona Hok

Either or according to the Wikibeast.
Although wasn’t he christened Adolphus?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Fiona Hok

Either or according to the Wikibeast.
Although wasn’t he christened Adolphus?

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago

“Germans gave Hitler a perfectly legitimate democratic electoral victory”. NOT REALLY. In the 1933 election the Nazi party got the largest share of the votes but NOT a majority. So under the German parliamentary system it was then up to President Hindenburg, whose mental agility had declined to a Biden level, to appoint a new Chancellor, who was Hitler; and from then it was all downhill.

Fiona Hok
Fiona Hok
1 year ago

And Adolf, not Adolph, since you’re being pedantic.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Best

Racist? What utter tosh!
Germans gave Hitler a perfectly legitimate democratic electoral victory! Do you really deny that?

Agreed some petty German ‘princelings’ opposed Adolph & Co, but I suspect as many supported him!
Were not two perhaps three of the late Prince Philip’s sisters married to prominence N*ZIS?

If UNHERD wasn’t such a ‘fire & forget’ site we might be able to discuss this further. I am certain that other commentators better read than I would be able to assess how the so called German aristocracy either supported or opposed Herr Hitler.

Astonishingly I was aware that Adolph was a Republican (of sorts). I also thought he was an Austrian, so does that make him a German or something else?

ps: I think the correct usage is HABSBURG not Hapsburg, although really it should be Lorraine as a result of the marriage of Maria Theresa in 1736, as you may know.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Eric Watson
Eric Watson
1 year ago

Actually, since the accession of Charles III, they are the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. If you are going to insist on “correct” names, you should at least get it right.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Watson

Stop splitting hairs and being a “clever clogs”, it ill becomes you!

Kerry Davie
Kerry Davie
1 year ago

Maybe he’s ‘splitting heirs’.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerry Davie

Very good!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerry Davie

Very good!

Kerry Davie
Kerry Davie
1 year ago

Maybe he’s ‘splitting heirs’.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Watson

Stop splitting hairs and being a “clever clogs”, it ill becomes you!

Eric Best
Eric Best
1 year ago

To equate being German with being a NAZI seems somewhat racist, no? Are you unaware of the role of George VI or Otto von Hapsburg or many other European (frequently Germanic) royals in supporting their people against the NAZIs? You are aware that Hitler was republican (ie, anti-royal)?

Eric Watson
Eric Watson
1 year ago

Actually, since the accession of Charles III, they are the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. If you are going to insist on “correct” names, you should at least get it right.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Are you surprised?
The family name is the :House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Haus Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha) after all.
Windsor was just a pathetic deceit at a time of crisis.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

And gays love him, because he too enjoyed dressing as a circus clown.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

Reluctant as I am to admit it,I think the Archbishop of Canterbury, Cosmo Gordon Lang, deserves a lot of praise for standing his ground over this issue.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

The parallels are rather astonishing. Harry donned Nazi-wear as well.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

And gays love him, because he too enjoyed dressing as a circus clown.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

Reluctant as I am to admit it,I think the Archbishop of Canterbury, Cosmo Gordon Lang, deserves a lot of praise for standing his ground over this issue.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago

Worse? Who knows- but just as money and status grubbing, yes.

JR Stoker
JR Stoker
1 year ago

Yes, much worse. Wallis might have been bitter, but she didn’t show it, appreciated what she had, and kept her mouth shut

John Solomon
John Solomon
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

But Wallis probably knew that she would not get anything better – Megan could easily ditch Harry if something better (in Hollywood) came her way.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  John Solomon

But it won’t…

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Smith

Youre right, should she and Harry part shes already displayed herself as dangerously damaged goods in a rather international way, Who with any credibility would willingly take her on? Presumably someone SHE would have to pay.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Smith

Youre right, should she and Harry part shes already displayed herself as dangerously damaged goods in a rather international way, Who with any credibility would willingly take her on? Presumably someone SHE would have to pay.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  John Solomon

At 40 it’s a big if at this point since she was never on the A- list…

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  John Solomon

But it won’t…

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  John Solomon

At 40 it’s a big if at this point since she was never on the A- list…

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

In recently-discovered letters to her ex-lover, it was found that she deeply regretted fomenting a relationship with Edward, claiming that he was insufferably dull. Once the glam and glitz of royal life evaporated, there wasn’t much to him apparently.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

You only had to look at him, Edward, to see he would never be the life and soul of any party. It was just that he was a royal.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

You only had to look at him, Edward, to see he would never be the life and soul of any party. It was just that he was a royal.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

Except when Eddie needed servicing.

John Solomon
John Solomon
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

But Wallis probably knew that she would not get anything better – Megan could easily ditch Harry if something better (in Hollywood) came her way.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

In recently-discovered letters to her ex-lover, it was found that she deeply regretted fomenting a relationship with Edward, claiming that he was insufferably dull. Once the glam and glitz of royal life evaporated, there wasn’t much to him apparently.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

Except when Eddie needed servicing.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Squirrelly people choose squirrelly mates.

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago

Wallace Simpson wasn’t an aristocrat but she came from a respected American family. She also tried to persuade Edward V111 nor to abdicate, putting him and the country before her self-interest. It was he that would have none of it..

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

That was the answer I was hoping someone would give. I thank you.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

She, like Megan, was part of what the 18th Century English nobility would have called “the demi-monde”. That is Harry’s real crime in the eyes of his family, marrying the kind of gal one ought only to keep as a mistress.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

As Phillip said, ‘One steps out with actresses, One doesnt marry them!’

Roger Sponge
Roger Sponge
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

I don’t know what his family think of Harry. I’m puzzled how you do.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

As Phillip said, ‘One steps out with actresses, One doesnt marry them!’

Roger Sponge
Roger Sponge
1 year ago
Reply to  Persephone

I don’t know what his family think of Harry. I’m puzzled how you do.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

That was the answer I was hoping someone would give. I thank you.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

She, like Megan, was part of what the 18th Century English nobility would have called “the demi-monde”. That is Harry’s real crime in the eyes of his family, marrying the kind of gal one ought only to keep as a mistress.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago

Here’s a coincidence. Edward and Wallis also have a connection to N. Saint Andrews Place in Hollywood as does Meghan. I know that for a fact since I personally witnessed both.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

A rare error from you, Charles. It’s Wallis.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

I stand corrected, thank you!

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

I stand corrected, thank you!

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Vici C
Vici C
1 year ago

No, Simpson dallied with an actual king, not a prince many times removed.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago

Seemingly so….Wallace had her limits. She didn’t blubber all over the TV or write books. She did remain classy and remote. Wallace liked her money and baubles and she was given them discretely by her royal. This is not Meghan at all, a woman who has put a fog-horn on Harry to play every card she can and in this case the most odious is the race card. Meghan is ‘special’ in a truly horrendous way. A way the two women are similar is that they culled the miscreant ‘Spares’ from the main family to its advantage when all was said and done.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago

Very simular, both wore/wear the trousers, as the males too wimpy!

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

Good question, to which I genuinely don’t know the answer.

N Forster
N Forster
1 year ago

Yes. Apart from screwing cash out of the tax payer at regular intervals, the British public didn’t have to continually hear from Wallace Simpson.

D Frost
D Frost
1 year ago

Wallis (however unwittingly) did the British monarchy a great favor by keeping a wretched, low-minded Nazi sympathizer off the throne.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago

Worse? Who knows- but just as money and status grubbing, yes.

JR Stoker
JR Stoker
1 year ago

Yes, much worse. Wallis might have been bitter, but she didn’t show it, appreciated what she had, and kept her mouth shut

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Squirrelly people choose squirrelly mates.

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago

Wallace Simpson wasn’t an aristocrat but she came from a respected American family. She also tried to persuade Edward V111 nor to abdicate, putting him and the country before her self-interest. It was he that would have none of it..

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago

Here’s a coincidence. Edward and Wallis also have a connection to N. Saint Andrews Place in Hollywood as does Meghan. I know that for a fact since I personally witnessed both.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

A rare error from you, Charles. It’s Wallis.

Vici C
Vici C
1 year ago

No, Simpson dallied with an actual king, not a prince many times removed.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago

Seemingly so….Wallace had her limits. She didn’t blubber all over the TV or write books. She did remain classy and remote. Wallace liked her money and baubles and she was given them discretely by her royal. This is not Meghan at all, a woman who has put a fog-horn on Harry to play every card she can and in this case the most odious is the race card. Meghan is ‘special’ in a truly horrendous way. A way the two women are similar is that they culled the miscreant ‘Spares’ from the main family to its advantage when all was said and done.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago

Very simular, both wore/wear the trousers, as the males too wimpy!

Mark Melvin
Mark Melvin
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Glad you noticed that about Spiked, Katharine. Not just Republicans but ex-Troskyists who have been booted out of the party for being too small c conservative and actually believing facts. Lots of what they write is the usual stuff 19-year old earnest Student Union types would write in the 1970s but always amazingly respectful in particular of QEII. But yes, they do hold the view that some of the things they oppose philosophically are likely a lesser evil than what the current lefties (and I do include the present day Conservative Party as current lefties) would like to impose. Fascinating.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Melvin

Maybe I am still a bit studenty myself, but I think that quite a lot of what comes out of Spiked is actually well observed and well argued, not just the monarchy stuff.
As for The Conservative Party – it is just a void. I visit Conservative Home occasionally. I am waiting for reality to come crashing through the front door – It will.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Yes, I quite like what they produce. Brendan O’Neill’s rants are a joy to read. No punches pulled! What does annoy me as it does come across a bit “1-Pound Shots Night at the Student Union” is the peppering of everything with slogans like “the liberal elites”…with which people can quickly identify, but which is never precisely defined.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I agree with your comment about “the Liberal elites” or “the new elites.” It’s the one thing about BO’s articles (and many others) that rankles.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I agree with your comment about “the Liberal elites” or “the new elites.” It’s the one thing about BO’s articles (and many others) that rankles.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Yes, I quite like what they produce. Brendan O’Neill’s rants are a joy to read. No punches pulled! What does annoy me as it does come across a bit “1-Pound Shots Night at the Student Union” is the peppering of everything with slogans like “the liberal elites”…with which people can quickly identify, but which is never precisely defined.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Melvin

Rubbish about Spiked (19-year-old earnest SU types, do me a favour) and rubbish about the Conservative Party (wet, as MT would have said, but hardly leftie or woke, even if they sometimes bend a bit in that direction). Hyperbolic nonsense.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Melvin

Maybe I am still a bit studenty myself, but I think that quite a lot of what comes out of Spiked is actually well observed and well argued, not just the monarchy stuff.
As for The Conservative Party – it is just a void. I visit Conservative Home occasionally. I am waiting for reality to come crashing through the front door – It will.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Melvin

Rubbish about Spiked (19-year-old earnest SU types, do me a favour) and rubbish about the Conservative Party (wet, as MT would have said, but hardly leftie or woke, even if they sometimes bend a bit in that direction). Hyperbolic nonsense.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Slightly off-piste but I have small writing desk and a ‘fire screen’ that it is claimed one of my ancestors plundered from the White House on that famous day. A near neighbour also claims to have the Presidential Chamber Pot, looted on the same occasion!

On the anniversary, the 24th August, we meet up for a celebratory supper, using the aforesaid Chamber Pot as a ‘loving cup’. The Corona-Washington supper was the most raucous yet, with many cries to the fame of Major General Robert Ross, the architect of that now forgotten military triumph.

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Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago

A common joke in the U.S. is that the owner of every historic house on the national registry claims that, “George Washington slept here.” It seems the British equivalent is, “George Washington pissed here.”

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

In this part case it was one James Madison!
I gather there a few of Napoleon’s Pots still around.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

In this part case it was one James Madison!
I gather there a few of Napoleon’s Pots still around.

Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago

A common joke in the U.S. is that the owner of every historic house on the national registry claims that, “George Washington slept here.” It seems the British equivalent is, “George Washington pissed here.”

Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

The joke is on us because she is inflicted on Americans just as much as she is on you.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Is she really worse than Wallace Simpson?

Mark Melvin
Mark Melvin
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Glad you noticed that about Spiked, Katharine. Not just Republicans but ex-Troskyists who have been booted out of the party for being too small c conservative and actually believing facts. Lots of what they write is the usual stuff 19-year old earnest Student Union types would write in the 1970s but always amazingly respectful in particular of QEII. But yes, they do hold the view that some of the things they oppose philosophically are likely a lesser evil than what the current lefties (and I do include the present day Conservative Party as current lefties) would like to impose. Fascinating.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Slightly off-piste but I have small writing desk and a ‘fire screen’ that it is claimed one of my ancestors plundered from the White House on that famous day. A near neighbour also claims to have the Presidential Chamber Pot, looted on the same occasion!

On the anniversary, the 24th August, we meet up for a celebratory supper, using the aforesaid Chamber Pot as a ‘loving cup’. The Corona-Washington supper was the most raucous yet, with many cries to the fame of Major General Robert Ross, the architect of that now forgotten military triumph.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

The joke is on us because she is inflicted on Americans just as much as she is on you.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

If it wasn’t her it would have been someone else. Harry was one of those accidents waiting to happen. I have a residual sympathy for him as I remember him and his brother walking behind their mother’s coffin in full view of the whole world. Some things are harder than others.

pessimist extremus
pessimist extremus
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Here we go again. I have a residual sympathy for him as I remember him and his brother walking behind their mother’s coffin in full view of the whole world. Some things are harder than others.” – sure, but this can’t be the main theme of one’s life? He’s almost 40, for God’s sake. As for the “Why don’t you just leave me alone?” – maybe because he needs them not to? Why not just go away, start a new life with all the wonderful plans they have voiced or written? Why cage the kids and not let them have their big family from both parents? What’s the point? (ok, ok, I know, public sympathy and approval, but that does not make it any less evil).

pessimist extremus
pessimist extremus
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Here we go again. I have a residual sympathy for him as I remember him and his brother walking behind their mother’s coffin in full view of the whole world. Some things are harder than others.” – sure, but this can’t be the main theme of one’s life? He’s almost 40, for God’s sake. As for the “Why don’t you just leave me alone?” – maybe because he needs them not to? Why not just go away, start a new life with all the wonderful plans they have voiced or written? Why cage the kids and not let them have their big family from both parents? What’s the point? (ok, ok, I know, public sympathy and approval, but that does not make it any less evil).

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Price Harry?
Somewhat Freudian slip to describe a man who sold his family and his country out.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paddy Taylor
Stephen Wright
Stephen Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

She is bad but he is too, no apology needed. He was never cool trust me. It was a short term illusion.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Wright

Well said! I wish I had read this comment before writing my ten pages!

Rose
Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Wright

Well said! I wish I had read this comment before writing my ten pages!

Geoff Cooper
Geoff Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

For what it’s worth, I never thought him cool, rather a bit thick, and gauche. William and Cate were always the real cool cats, which is lucky really because they’re the ones who are going to be King and Queen one day. And that of course, is what is really at the root of all the Sussex’s endless, childish whingeing.
Eventually everyone will get bored of these charmless nonentities.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Do you even know Meghan? On behavior of all Americans, I apologize for you.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

I suppose you meant “On behalf of …” We’ve got enough behavior in America.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

No one need know her on a personal level to see exact who she is.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

I suppose you meant “On behalf of …” We’ve got enough behavior in America.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

No one need know her on a personal level to see exact who she is.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Thank you for your graciousness. We in England know too that all these stories are complicated, but a marriage expert told me she sees Harry’s painful childhood loss ( I lost my mother at the same age so he’s not the only one) as leaving him open to exploitation. But he is an adult with a free will! He might have considered his brother also lost their Mum before finding every excuse to pucker his bottom lip and bleat himself into untold wealth.. Meghan appears to be efficient at dumping her own family and I’m sorry but she had a choice… as an independent well practised star from Suits, she is not the 18 year old virgin, motherless lady thatPrincess Diana was, – she could have chosen to help Harry work with his family and country, – we all loved him and we loved seeing him happy with Meghan. The Royal Family had learned their lesson from Princess Diana, they wanted Meghan to be treated much, much better than they had treated Diana.. Is M and H’s behaviour really saving the world, or just “bigging up” themselves, – mocking bowing to an old lady who has been unbelievable in her modesty, and dedication to Harry’s country and all else? Are Meghan and Harry really saving the world by getting over $100 million for doing their best to rubbish and demean the entire people of the UK? Meghan is no Innocent and Harry has turned out to be a money grabbing drip who has totally betrayed his family and totally let down the soldiers he worked with. I “salute” whingeing Harry with 11 pieces of silver and thank him for zero, except for the laugh Dead Ringers provides, at their expense, not that they care, … catching private jets, wearing £10,000 dresses and for exactly what WORK?? Ahh, just cashing in on his title and privileges! The UK and the Royal Family may not be perfect but they are good enough for me and I prefer their behaviour a million percent more than that of Harry and Meghan! M and H’s comments re the Commonwealth, Brexit and racism are disgraceful – the ignorance and self-interest displayed is beyond belief wether you agree with Brexit and the Commonwealth or not! As for Meghan… if you truly deeply love your partner, you do not pour this much effort into scorning his upbringing, his family, his country and doing your utmost to sever him from all that you are determinedly cashing in on!!

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Rose

Excellent comment.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Rose

Also it is the part coloured people who seem to bee the most racist of all. Maybe they think they cannot belong in either camp, so bleat from the sidelines.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Rose

Excellent comment.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Rose

Also it is the part coloured people who seem to bee the most racist of all. Maybe they think they cannot belong in either camp, so bleat from the sidelines.

Melissa Martin
Melissa Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

I just wish she’d stop insulting our intelligence.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Not the first time either.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

She is awful – surely the USA’s revenge for us burning down Washington in 1814. You waited 200 years, but you really stuck it to us!
But I think it is unfair to fully blame Meghan for Harry’s current, cringeworthy “woe-is-me-FOREVER” persona. Even though the constant pawing and clinging might give the impression of him being the glove puppet of the missus…he is responsible for what he does and says.
And this documentary says FAR more about America and what state it is in than it does about either Britain or the Royals.
Plus, it is hilarious and highly ironic to a) watch the Guardian slowly and quietly retreat from its defence positions and have to admit that the Sussexes are just rent-a-whingers and b) watch Sp!ked, an avowedly republican publication, run articles each week defending the monarchy. Given the choice between woke and monarchy, they clearly know the lesser evil.

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polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

If it wasn’t her it would have been someone else. Harry was one of those accidents waiting to happen. I have a residual sympathy for him as I remember him and his brother walking behind their mother’s coffin in full view of the whole world. Some things are harder than others.

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Price Harry?
Somewhat Freudian slip to describe a man who sold his family and his country out.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paddy Taylor
Stephen Wright
Stephen Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

She is bad but he is too, no apology needed. He was never cool trust me. It was a short term illusion.

Geoff Cooper
Geoff Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

For what it’s worth, I never thought him cool, rather a bit thick, and gauche. William and Cate were always the real cool cats, which is lucky really because they’re the ones who are going to be King and Queen one day. And that of course, is what is really at the root of all the Sussex’s endless, childish whingeing.
Eventually everyone will get bored of these charmless nonentities.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Do you even know Meghan? On behavior of all Americans, I apologize for you.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

Thank you for your graciousness. We in England know too that all these stories are complicated, but a marriage expert told me she sees Harry’s painful childhood loss ( I lost my mother at the same age so he’s not the only one) as leaving him open to exploitation. But he is an adult with a free will! He might have considered his brother also lost their Mum before finding every excuse to pucker his bottom lip and bleat himself into untold wealth.. Meghan appears to be efficient at dumping her own family and I’m sorry but she had a choice… as an independent well practised star from Suits, she is not the 18 year old virgin, motherless lady thatPrincess Diana was, – she could have chosen to help Harry work with his family and country, – we all loved him and we loved seeing him happy with Meghan. The Royal Family had learned their lesson from Princess Diana, they wanted Meghan to be treated much, much better than they had treated Diana.. Is M and H’s behaviour really saving the world, or just “bigging up” themselves, – mocking bowing to an old lady who has been unbelievable in her modesty, and dedication to Harry’s country and all else? Are Meghan and Harry really saving the world by getting over $100 million for doing their best to rubbish and demean the entire people of the UK? Meghan is no Innocent and Harry has turned out to be a money grabbing drip who has totally betrayed his family and totally let down the soldiers he worked with. I “salute” whingeing Harry with 11 pieces of silver and thank him for zero, except for the laugh Dead Ringers provides, at their expense, not that they care, … catching private jets, wearing £10,000 dresses and for exactly what WORK?? Ahh, just cashing in on his title and privileges! The UK and the Royal Family may not be perfect but they are good enough for me and I prefer their behaviour a million percent more than that of Harry and Meghan! M and H’s comments re the Commonwealth, Brexit and racism are disgraceful – the ignorance and self-interest displayed is beyond belief wether you agree with Brexit and the Commonwealth or not! As for Meghan… if you truly deeply love your partner, you do not pour this much effort into scorning his upbringing, his family, his country and doing your utmost to sever him from all that you are determinedly cashing in on!!

Melissa Martin
Melissa Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  Cho Jinn

I just wish she’d stop insulting our intelligence.

Cho Jinn
Cho Jinn
1 year ago

On behalf of all Americans, I apologize for Meghan Markle. Price Harry was the cool one, and we ruined him.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

Where this narrative always comes unstuck is that Harry and Meghan could, had they really wished it, simply withdrawn from public life and lived quietly away from the public eye. But she would never have gone along with that.

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Hugh Bryant is right. Being, as they claimed, averse to publicity and having, as they claimed, ‘a passion’ for Africa, H + M could have gone to Botswana or similar for a few years, rented a ranch and devoted themselves to charitable projects (schools, hospitals, sanitation). The photographers would have followed them for a while then would have got bored and gone home, leaving the publicity-shy Markles to do their good works away from the public eye….

Last edited 1 year ago by Nancy G
Ms Stripes
Ms Stripes
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

That result would have made Harry much happier, I think. I initially thought she might be good for him, as he seemed to need a woman with a firm hand. But it became clear rather quickly that she wanted them to be the next incarnation of the Obamas. She seems to prefer a platform for glamor, attention, and money. None of this rigamarole seems to be helping Harry.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

They love Africa so much that they have made themselves unwelcome in South Africa by their thoughtless lies.

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Mmmm!

Last edited 1 year ago by Diane Tasker
Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Yeah, Right!…as they say!

Ms Stripes
Ms Stripes
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

That result would have made Harry much happier, I think. I initially thought she might be good for him, as he seemed to need a woman with a firm hand. But it became clear rather quickly that she wanted them to be the next incarnation of the Obamas. She seems to prefer a platform for glamor, attention, and money. None of this rigamarole seems to be helping Harry.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

They love Africa so much that they have made themselves unwelcome in South Africa by their thoughtless lies.

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Mmmm!

Last edited 1 year ago by Diane Tasker
Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Yeah, Right!…as they say!

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Meghan is desperate for fame and attention- from the get-go – which just makes her so unappealing- from the get-go.

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Hugh Bryant is right. Being, as they claimed, averse to publicity and having, as they claimed, ‘a passion’ for Africa, H + M could have gone to Botswana or similar for a few years, rented a ranch and devoted themselves to charitable projects (schools, hospitals, sanitation). The photographers would have followed them for a while then would have got bored and gone home, leaving the publicity-shy Markles to do their good works away from the public eye….

Last edited 1 year ago by Nancy G
Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Meghan is desperate for fame and attention- from the get-go – which just makes her so unappealing- from the get-go.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

Where this narrative always comes unstuck is that Harry and Meghan could, had they really wished it, simply withdrawn from public life and lived quietly away from the public eye. But she would never have gone along with that.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

Even an article about these two is as ridiculous as they are.

Walter Marvell
Walter Marvell
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

They are the perfect ambasssadors of a hysterical credo of identity politics that is an industry in itself. They betray the vast majority of non whites in this country who do not plead victimhood and grievance and do not need this narcissitic pair of media millionaires to instruct or inspire them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Walter Marvell
Walter Marvell
Walter Marvell
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

They are the perfect ambasssadors of a hysterical credo of identity politics that is an industry in itself. They betray the vast majority of non whites in this country who do not plead victimhood and grievance and do not need this narcissitic pair of media millionaires to instruct or inspire them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Walter Marvell
Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

Even an article about these two is as ridiculous as they are.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

It’s worth taking a glance at The Daily Mail. Not to read it, God forbid, but to see the sheer number of articles dedicated to this pair and their story. I assume that the editor know what he is doing.
My prediction: This affair will run longer in the US because it provides ammunication for the national sport of race-hustling, but eventually, even there, the media cavalcade will move on to the next great proftable cause. Meghan will pocket the dosh and dump Harry. Harry will become an unkempt recluse, consumed by self pity.
By the way, what is the problem with being a minor royal? It sounds like a great billet to me. You get a fancy house, more money than you meagre talents would ever muster by themselves and waiters to fawn over you at expensive eateries. I would swap lives for that. Look up Lord Bath of Longleat. 74 wifelets (according to The Daily Mail) and his own safari park. Bluddy Nora! A life well lived!
PS: i think Tanya has over-egged this a tad.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

“By the way, what is the problem with being a minor royal?”

Wasn’t the Queen Mother furious at Edward V111 stepping down because she liked her life as wife of the spare, and didn’t want to be Queen?

” it is a war not of substance but of style”

I think that’s wrong – the difference between the Cambridges and the Sussexes is that of egos under control and egos out of control. The Cambridges are adults, the others are adolescents.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago

The Queen Mother had at least one other reason for being angry, not a selfish reason. Her husband didn’t want to be king any more than she wanted to be queen. He had a speech impediment that made public speaking an ordeal not only for him but also for her and for the public. Perhaps she realized also, even before the war, that Edward and Wallis were Nazi sympathizers.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago

The Queen Mother had at least one other reason for being angry, not a selfish reason. Her husband didn’t want to be king any more than she wanted to be queen. He had a speech impediment that made public speaking an ordeal not only for him but also for her and for the public. Perhaps she realized also, even before the war, that Edward and Wallis were Nazi sympathizers.

Chris England
Chris England
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Try reading the times – it’s full of it.
I think, perhaps like the Crown – it’s unfair to make up a story and badge it as a documentary when the subject has no right of reply.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris England

Hadn’t realised. I don’t subscribe to The Times. I only got two free reads a week.
Evan less forgivable, as The Times purports to be a serious paper

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris England

No reader mail?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris England

The Times has taken a definite side turning towards a more gossipy magazine style format. There are smatterings of articles using emotion nomenclature. I have noticed this for about a couple of weeks. Perhaps I am reading to much into it.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago

I ended my Times subscription as the comments section was dominated by trolls from China… it was eerie and frightening! Some tried to stand up to them but the troll machinery was/is relentless.

Chris England
Chris England
1 year ago
Reply to  Rose

Well done for managing to end the subscription. Every time I try they just reduce the price until I give in.

Chris England
Chris England
1 year ago
Reply to  Rose

Well done for managing to end the subscription. Every time I try they just reduce the price until I give in.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago

I ended my Times subscription as the comments section was dominated by trolls from China… it was eerie and frightening! Some tried to stand up to them but the troll machinery was/is relentless.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris England

Hadn’t realised. I don’t subscribe to The Times. I only got two free reads a week.
Evan less forgivable, as The Times purports to be a serious paper

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris England

No reader mail?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris England

The Times has taken a definite side turning towards a more gossipy magazine style format. There are smatterings of articles using emotion nomenclature. I have noticed this for about a couple of weeks. Perhaps I am reading to much into it.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

The comparison with Lord Bath isn’t really apt, as most of Harry’s troubles stem from his being the second son. The oldest son inheriting the title and the estate a la Bath gets an oven-ready role; spares have to create their own.
Incidentally, Longleat’s present incumbent was in my year doing Philosophy at UCL in the mid-90’s. Nice bloke.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Yes I accept what you say. I realised as much myself but hoped you wouldn’t notice!
I was just trying to show how much fun a chap can have with a bit of money and oodles of social status. I still think that argument is a good one.

Dominic S
Dominic S
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Harry was NEVER a “spare”. Charles was heir, and William was the spare. Then when Charles acceded to the throne William became the heir, and his eldest son became the spare.

Seldom
Seldom
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic S

I don’t think that’s what “spare” refers to. It’s not the next in line, but a second child that exists to make sure there will be an heir in case something happens to the eldest. Like a spare tyre, the second child is a surplus that everyone hopes will not be needed.

David Taylor
David Taylor
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic S

Harry was the ‘spare’ until Prince George arrived i.e. 2nd in line should anything happen to William

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago
Reply to  David Taylor

Prince William was and is “heir apparent”, and Prince Harry was (but no longer is) “heir presumptive”. The latter means a second in line who can be displaced downward in line of succession by subsequent births, such as that of Prince George.

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago
Reply to  David Taylor

Prince William was and is “heir apparent”, and Prince Harry was (but no longer is) “heir presumptive”. The latter means a second in line who can be displaced downward in line of succession by subsequent births, such as that of Prince George.

Helen Manson
Helen Manson
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic S

Perhaps the book would be better titled ‘Going Spare’ as in being angry or upset.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Helen Manson

Surely one has to learn very early on, should you be unlucky enough to be in the succession,that nothing is by any means certain except the rather fancy amount of pocket money youre born into. Actually gaining the throne must be the worst card in the pack. There are bonuses however, such as money and travel and if I were lucky enough to be handed all that , the worst card of all has to be achieving the Monarchy. Whatever is Harrys’ problem, other than his wife?

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  Helen Manson

Surely one has to learn very early on, should you be unlucky enough to be in the succession,that nothing is by any means certain except the rather fancy amount of pocket money youre born into. Actually gaining the throne must be the worst card in the pack. There are bonuses however, such as money and travel and if I were lucky enough to be handed all that , the worst card of all has to be achieving the Monarchy. Whatever is Harrys’ problem, other than his wife?

Seldom
Seldom
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic S

I don’t think that’s what “spare” refers to. It’s not the next in line, but a second child that exists to make sure there will be an heir in case something happens to the eldest. Like a spare tyre, the second child is a surplus that everyone hopes will not be needed.

David Taylor
David Taylor
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic S

Harry was the ‘spare’ until Prince George arrived i.e. 2nd in line should anything happen to William

Helen Manson
Helen Manson
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic S

Perhaps the book would be better titled ‘Going Spare’ as in being angry or upset.

Gillian Johnstone
Gillian Johnstone
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

You forgot to mention the present Lord Bath is married to a very beautiful mixed-race lady and they don’t seem to need to make a big issue about it.

Michael Meddings
Michael Meddings
1 year ago

What is this “mixed-race” you speak of? My understanding was that if you only have a minute amount of African heritage, then you can call yourself black and choose to be a victim if so desirous.

Michael Meddings
Michael Meddings
1 year ago

What is this “mixed-race” you speak of? My understanding was that if you only have a minute amount of African heritage, then you can call yourself black and choose to be a victim if so desirous.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Yes I accept what you say. I realised as much myself but hoped you wouldn’t notice!
I was just trying to show how much fun a chap can have with a bit of money and oodles of social status. I still think that argument is a good one.

Dominic S
Dominic S
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Harry was NEVER a “spare”. Charles was heir, and William was the spare. Then when Charles acceded to the throne William became the heir, and his eldest son became the spare.

Gillian Johnstone
Gillian Johnstone
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

You forgot to mention the present Lord Bath is married to a very beautiful mixed-race lady and they don’t seem to need to make a big issue about it.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

It will play in the US longer because their audience is the US public; they don’t give a toss about the UK or her people.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

What about the vaunted ‘special relationship’?

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago

Really? Ive not noticed that apart frm the B52s parked in the south Midands and the value of those to us is dubious to say the least.

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago

Really? Ive not noticed that apart frm the B52s parked in the south Midands and the value of those to us is dubious to say the least.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

What about the vaunted ‘special relationship’?

Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Plus a starring role in a Pet Shop Boys video

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

I didnt realise there were so many acquisitive women in the Uk, I believe Lord Baths wives ebb and flow like the tides. He must be a man of incredible stamina. By the way is this the old or new Lord Bath?

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

“By the way, what is the problem with being a minor royal?”

Wasn’t the Queen Mother furious at Edward V111 stepping down because she liked her life as wife of the spare, and didn’t want to be Queen?

” it is a war not of substance but of style”

I think that’s wrong – the difference between the Cambridges and the Sussexes is that of egos under control and egos out of control. The Cambridges are adults, the others are adolescents.

Chris England
Chris England
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Try reading the times – it’s full of it.
I think, perhaps like the Crown – it’s unfair to make up a story and badge it as a documentary when the subject has no right of reply.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

The comparison with Lord Bath isn’t really apt, as most of Harry’s troubles stem from his being the second son. The oldest son inheriting the title and the estate a la Bath gets an oven-ready role; spares have to create their own.
Incidentally, Longleat’s present incumbent was in my year doing Philosophy at UCL in the mid-90’s. Nice bloke.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

It will play in the US longer because their audience is the US public; they don’t give a toss about the UK or her people.

Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Plus a starring role in a Pet Shop Boys video

Gill Holway
Gill Holway
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

I didnt realise there were so many acquisitive women in the Uk, I believe Lord Baths wives ebb and flow like the tides. He must be a man of incredible stamina. By the way is this the old or new Lord Bath?

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

It’s worth taking a glance at The Daily Mail. Not to read it, God forbid, but to see the sheer number of articles dedicated to this pair and their story. I assume that the editor know what he is doing.
My prediction: This affair will run longer in the US because it provides ammunication for the national sport of race-hustling, but eventually, even there, the media cavalcade will move on to the next great proftable cause. Meghan will pocket the dosh and dump Harry. Harry will become an unkempt recluse, consumed by self pity.
By the way, what is the problem with being a minor royal? It sounds like a great billet to me. You get a fancy house, more money than you meagre talents would ever muster by themselves and waiters to fawn over you at expensive eateries. I would swap lives for that. Look up Lord Bath of Longleat. 74 wifelets (according to The Daily Mail) and his own safari park. Bluddy Nora! A life well lived!
PS: i think Tanya has over-egged this a tad.

D Frost
D Frost
1 year ago

Everyone experiences frustration with family— however, decent people don’t betray their families for cash and notoriety.
Harry and Meghan keep demanding privacy while thrusting the details of their privilege-soaked lives on the rest of us. I just wish they’d go away.

Lorna Dobson
Lorna Dobson
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

What’s really unsettling is how she flung off her family when she realized they didn’t fit the glamorous lifestyle she was aspiring to. Apparently her father, who doted on her, had a major stroke six months ago and is struggling to maintain some semblance of normalcy. Call from Meghan? No. Anybody who has seen the home movies of Markle as a child can’t help but shed a tear or two knowing what she has done to her father. I don’t understand why Harry has never met him. Very very sad.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Lorna Dobson

She’s the charmless hyacinth bucket; her dear papa even looks a little like cousin onslow!

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Lorna Dobson

She’s the charmless hyacinth bucket; her dear papa even looks a little like cousin onslow!

Lorna Dobson
Lorna Dobson
1 year ago
Reply to  D Frost

What’s really unsettling is how she flung off her family when she realized they didn’t fit the glamorous lifestyle she was aspiring to. Apparently her father, who doted on her, had a major stroke six months ago and is struggling to maintain some semblance of normalcy. Call from Meghan? No. Anybody who has seen the home movies of Markle as a child can’t help but shed a tear or two knowing what she has done to her father. I don’t understand why Harry has never met him. Very very sad.

D Frost
D Frost
1 year ago

Everyone experiences frustration with family— however, decent people don’t betray their families for cash and notoriety.
Harry and Meghan keep demanding privacy while thrusting the details of their privilege-soaked lives on the rest of us. I just wish they’d go away.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago

The schizophrenia of (not without reason) hating the intrusive press, and simultaneously doing just about all you can to garner more attention, is amazing. I guess the rest of us are all in ‘rubber-neckers at a really bad car crash’ mode. And Netflix have cruelly and callously worked out how to monetize it. I assume Harry and Meghan know they are being exploited (they may be dense, but not that dense), but some internal unsatiable need drives them to go along with it. Well, as someone said, he’s a grown-up (sort of).
William, somewhere inside, must be sad for his brother.

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago
Reply to  Noel Chiappa

> William, somewhere inside, must be sad for his brother.
and by all accounts, Harry’s former army mates are all shaking their heads in wonder at how it came to this, with Meghan apparently leading him around firmly by the b***s!

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John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago
Reply to  Noel Chiappa

> William, somewhere inside, must be sad for his brother.
and by all accounts, Harry’s former army mates are all shaking their heads in wonder at how it came to this, with Meghan apparently leading him around firmly by the b***s!

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Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago

The schizophrenia of (not without reason) hating the intrusive press, and simultaneously doing just about all you can to garner more attention, is amazing. I guess the rest of us are all in ‘rubber-neckers at a really bad car crash’ mode. And Netflix have cruelly and callously worked out how to monetize it. I assume Harry and Meghan know they are being exploited (they may be dense, but not that dense), but some internal unsatiable need drives them to go along with it. Well, as someone said, he’s a grown-up (sort of).
William, somewhere inside, must be sad for his brother.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

I didn’t think it was possible to out-obnoxious the Kardashians, and yet these two have done it, so at least they’ve accomplished something – by being enormous asses rather than having them.

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Humor always brightens a page!

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

Humor always brightens a page!

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

I didn’t think it was possible to out-obnoxious the Kardashians, and yet these two have done it, so at least they’ve accomplished something – by being enormous asses rather than having them.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago

He didn’t choose Her – She chose Him.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

Yep. Moth / flame. In fairness, that’s generally how it works though – bloke chooses the one who allows herself to be “chosen”

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

Women always do the choosing- it’s biological. Poor Harry had so many who didn’t want him for a variety of reasons – privacy, he just wasn’t that bright (it’s a genetic thing with women), & freedom.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

I dunno about the ‘women always do the choosing’. Many, yes; but not all. To use a royal example, look at Harry’s great-grand parents. By all accounts the Queen Mum (as she later became) did not want to hear about it, but he wouldn’t give up, and eventually convinced her.

Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

I dunno about the ‘women always do the choosing’. Many, yes; but not all. To use a royal example, look at Harry’s great-grand parents. By all accounts the Queen Mum (as she later became) did not want to hear about it, but he wouldn’t give up, and eventually convinced her.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

Yep. Moth / flame. In fairness, that’s generally how it works though – bloke chooses the one who allows herself to be “chosen”

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

Women always do the choosing- it’s biological. Poor Harry had so many who didn’t want him for a variety of reasons – privacy, he just wasn’t that bright (it’s a genetic thing with women), & freedom.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago

He didn’t choose Her – She chose Him.

Mike Carr
Mike Carr
1 year ago

People are overthinking this. The Sussexes do what they do to make money because they can and need to. If they were truly traumatised they should get a grip of their lives, grow up, put the past behind them and move forward on their own.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Carr

Meghan is Money Mad.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Carr

Meghan is Money Mad.

Mike Carr
Mike Carr
1 year ago

People are overthinking this. The Sussexes do what they do to make money because they can and need to. If they were truly traumatised they should get a grip of their lives, grow up, put the past behind them and move forward on their own.

Richard Abbot
Richard Abbot
1 year ago

The power dynamic is crystal clear. He didn’t choose her, she chose him.

Richard Abbot
Richard Abbot
1 year ago

The power dynamic is crystal clear. He didn’t choose her, she chose him.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago

On one level the Harry and Meghan story is about psychological problems, but all of us are neurotic to some extent, for one reason or another. However, on another level it’s an old if not eternal story, eg, Cain and Abel – envy leading to aggression. Royal brothers, and sometimes sisters, have often fought for dominance. Harry has found a soulmate as aggressively ambitious as he is, in fact more so, Meghan has empowered him, albeit in a negative self-destructive way.
Once upon a time there would have been bloody battles and unexplained deaths, eg,The Wars of the Roses, but a constitutional monarchy does not generally have the kind of power worth killing for, thank goodness. Now it’s a media driven showdown and part of the culture wars, identity politics being used as a weapon by H & M.
If Meghan can find another lucrative outlet that affords her the media attention she requires, then the focus might shift away from grievance and resentment to something more positive. We’ll have to wait and see.

Last edited 1 year ago by Claire D
Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

If she had the character and capability to do something positive with her life, she’d have done it by now.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Noel Chiappa

People change, life changes us, having children especially can change us. I live in hope.

Last edited 1 year ago by Claire D
Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Noel Chiappa

People change, life changes us, having children especially can change us. I live in hope.

Last edited 1 year ago by Claire D
Noel Chiappa
Noel Chiappa
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

If she had the character and capability to do something positive with her life, she’d have done it by now.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago

On one level the Harry and Meghan story is about psychological problems, but all of us are neurotic to some extent, for one reason or another. However, on another level it’s an old if not eternal story, eg, Cain and Abel – envy leading to aggression. Royal brothers, and sometimes sisters, have often fought for dominance. Harry has found a soulmate as aggressively ambitious as he is, in fact more so, Meghan has empowered him, albeit in a negative self-destructive way.
Once upon a time there would have been bloody battles and unexplained deaths, eg,The Wars of the Roses, but a constitutional monarchy does not generally have the kind of power worth killing for, thank goodness. Now it’s a media driven showdown and part of the culture wars, identity politics being used as a weapon by H & M.
If Meghan can find another lucrative outlet that affords her the media attention she requires, then the focus might shift away from grievance and resentment to something more positive. We’ll have to wait and see.

Last edited 1 year ago by Claire D
Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

Harry could have retired from royal life with some of the millions that his mother had taken from the wealth of the royal family as part of her divorce. More than most people will earn in a lifetime. He then had the prospect of inheriting more when his father died. He could have renounced his titles and his position in the line of succession, substantially reducing the threat to his and his family’s security. He chose not to do so, instead maintaining his claim on the titles, the Crown and the money his family made from slavery. (BTW He has chosen not to highlight his mother’s family’s links to slavery).

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

I am guessing that it would not take too much digging to find similar links in Megan’s family.
Now wouldn’t that be amusing

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

I am guessing that it would not take too much digging to find similar links in Megan’s family.
Now wouldn’t that be amusing

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

Harry could have retired from royal life with some of the millions that his mother had taken from the wealth of the royal family as part of her divorce. More than most people will earn in a lifetime. He then had the prospect of inheriting more when his father died. He could have renounced his titles and his position in the line of succession, substantially reducing the threat to his and his family’s security. He chose not to do so, instead maintaining his claim on the titles, the Crown and the money his family made from slavery. (BTW He has chosen not to highlight his mother’s family’s links to slavery).

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago

The fact that this American soup is solely based on the disgruntled opinions of this privileged pair is disgraceful. To my mind, it is a case of “getting their own back” or perhaps it is Meghan Markle “getting her own back” for life as a member of the Royal family not being the super-celebrity scene that she had expected, with the deference of the people and the press that is seen in America. .

DA Johnson
DA Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

That’s my impression as well. Although her university degree is in international relations, Meghan has said repeatedly that she knew almost nothing about the royal family or the British system of monarchy, and (astonishingly) did not study up on it while she and Harry were dating. As Iris C says above, Meghan seemed to think being a royal would mean a Hollywood “super-celebrity” kind of life, with no responsibilities except to look good and spout shallow, trendy opinions and platitudes. When she found it entailed the hard work of diplomacy and the subjugation of many aspects of life to the direction of the monarch and the needs of the country, she was no longer interested–hence the narrative of being “persecuted”–both as a justification for leaving, and coincidentally, as a way of making a lot of easy money.

Bill Bailey
Bill Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  DA Johnson

Personally I think the problem was M discovered that rather than having the top billing, she would forever be the supporting act to the leading Lady, Kate.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill Bailey

Yes the envy is rather blatant.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill Bailey

Yes the envy is rather blatant.

Bill Bailey
Bill Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  DA Johnson

Personally I think the problem was M discovered that rather than having the top billing, she would forever be the supporting act to the leading Lady, Kate.

DA Johnson
DA Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

That’s my impression as well. Although her university degree is in international relations, Meghan has said repeatedly that she knew almost nothing about the royal family or the British system of monarchy, and (astonishingly) did not study up on it while she and Harry were dating. As Iris C says above, Meghan seemed to think being a royal would mean a Hollywood “super-celebrity” kind of life, with no responsibilities except to look good and spout shallow, trendy opinions and platitudes. When she found it entailed the hard work of diplomacy and the subjugation of many aspects of life to the direction of the monarch and the needs of the country, she was no longer interested–hence the narrative of being “persecuted”–both as a justification for leaving, and coincidentally, as a way of making a lot of easy money.

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago

The fact that this American soup is solely based on the disgruntled opinions of this privileged pair is disgraceful. To my mind, it is a case of “getting their own back” or perhaps it is Meghan Markle “getting her own back” for life as a member of the Royal family not being the super-celebrity scene that she had expected, with the deference of the people and the press that is seen in America. .

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

“Every few generations, the Windsors produce unhappy princes: men who can neither leave nor stay.”
I thought we weren’t even sure he was a Windsor 
But he does clearly take after his mother loathsome, self-absorbed, self-pitying and self-righteous

Last edited 1 year ago by Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago

He is the image of his paternal grandfather, if you look at pictures of a young Prince Philip, their is a definite resemblance.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago

He is the image of his paternal grandfather, if you look at pictures of a young Prince Philip, their is a definite resemblance.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

“Every few generations, the Windsors produce unhappy princes: men who can neither leave nor stay.”
I thought we weren’t even sure he was a Windsor 
But he does clearly take after his mother loathsome, self-absorbed, self-pitying and self-righteous

Last edited 1 year ago by Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

You can extend it out ‘a bit’ – that slavery was endemic throughout human society for all past.

Last edited 1 year ago by Dominic A
Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

This slavery thing is ‘so’ boring. Ever since humans walked the earth, there have been ‘slaves’. Prizes from wars and tribes swapping, regardless of colour. British have been captured too, its happened and is happening still.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

This slavery thing is ‘so’ boring. Ever since humans walked the earth, there have been ‘slaves’. Prizes from wars and tribes swapping, regardless of colour. British have been captured too, its happened and is happening still.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

You can extend it out ‘a bit’ – that slavery was endemic throughout human society for all past.

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Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

Society really needs to get wise to understanding, detecting, and managing narcissism. A good starting point is that there are two main types: Grandiose, and Vulnerable. The former obviously, overtly feel/think/act as though they are amazing (often men -DT) and will ignore or take pity on those who think otherwise; the latter have covert feelings/thoughts/actions of superiority and are ‘deeply wounded’ by the merest suggestion that others do not share that view, and act out any and all dramas that have themselves at the centre – martyr, hero, saviour, saint (MM).

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Good analysis.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Good analysis.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

Society really needs to get wise to understanding, detecting, and managing narcissism. A good starting point is that there are two main types: Grandiose, and Vulnerable. The former obviously, overtly feel/think/act as though they are amazing (often men -DT) and will ignore or take pity on those who think otherwise; the latter have covert feelings/thoughts/actions of superiority and are ‘deeply wounded’ by the merest suggestion that others do not share that view, and act out any and all dramas that have themselves at the centre – martyr, hero, saviour, saint (MM).

stephen archer
stephen archer
1 year ago

For someone who’s turned his difficult upbringing and youth into developing as an individual and choosing to risk his life as a soldier and helicopter pilot/gunner he’s taken 10 steps backwards in the last 4-5 years. He has to choose whether to move on and develop again or to keep digging himself into a very deep hole. His soulmate has given him a very big spade and is standing on the edge encouraging him to dig deeper.

Last edited 1 year ago by stephen archer
Rose
Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  stephen archer

So well put, Mr Archer.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  stephen archer

So well put, Mr Archer.

stephen archer
stephen archer
1 year ago

For someone who’s turned his difficult upbringing and youth into developing as an individual and choosing to risk his life as a soldier and helicopter pilot/gunner he’s taken 10 steps backwards in the last 4-5 years. He has to choose whether to move on and develop again or to keep digging himself into a very deep hole. His soulmate has given him a very big spade and is standing on the edge encouraging him to dig deeper.

Last edited 1 year ago by stephen archer
harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago

A rubbish article, exemplified by this passage (among many others): “…the next three episodes of Harry & Meghan will be aired next week, on the same day that the Duchess of Cambridge is playing the piano at a carol concert. Remember the battle of the bridesmaids’ tights, when each duchess was accused of inciting tears in the other? This is in the same vein of pettiness.”
Yes, H&M are certainly petty to release their first episodes when W&K were in the States, but how were W&K petty? And if H&M knew Kate was playing piano at a carol concert and decided to release the next three episodes on the same day, that would be petty (I have no idea whether that is the case or not), but either way, not petty from Kate’s side.
This sort of “they’re all bad” pop psychology confuses rather than enlightens.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago

A rubbish article, exemplified by this passage (among many others): “…the next three episodes of Harry & Meghan will be aired next week, on the same day that the Duchess of Cambridge is playing the piano at a carol concert. Remember the battle of the bridesmaids’ tights, when each duchess was accused of inciting tears in the other? This is in the same vein of pettiness.”
Yes, H&M are certainly petty to release their first episodes when W&K were in the States, but how were W&K petty? And if H&M knew Kate was playing piano at a carol concert and decided to release the next three episodes on the same day, that would be petty (I have no idea whether that is the case or not), but either way, not petty from Kate’s side.
This sort of “they’re all bad” pop psychology confuses rather than enlightens.

Sue Blanchard
Sue Blanchard
1 year ago

This is a sympathetic piece which I found interesting. What it curiously doesn’t address is Harry and Meghan’s motives for trashing his family. For money, of course. Can you think of any better reason to despise a family member than that?

Sue Blanchard
Sue Blanchard
1 year ago

This is a sympathetic piece which I found interesting. What it curiously doesn’t address is Harry and Meghan’s motives for trashing his family. For money, of course. Can you think of any better reason to despise a family member than that?

Madli Kleingeld
Madli Kleingeld
1 year ago

I beg to differ…Megan said to her girlfriend in Soho where they met…”I am going to go for him”…she is a golddigger. Harry will live to regret this…

Madli Kleingeld
Madli Kleingeld
1 year ago

I beg to differ…Megan said to her girlfriend in Soho where they met…”I am going to go for him”…she is a golddigger. Harry will live to regret this…

DenialARiverIn Islington
DenialARiverIn Islington
1 year ago

I can’t make up my mind if this is insightful or pretentious tripe although I tend towards the latter. How about the notion that they’re just a pair of spoilt brats?

DenialARiverIn Islington
DenialARiverIn Islington
1 year ago

I can’t make up my mind if this is insightful or pretentious tripe although I tend towards the latter. How about the notion that they’re just a pair of spoilt brats?

Peta Seel
Peta Seel
1 year ago

“We do have a prince whistle-blower, however, telling his fury across six episodes of Netflix’s Harry & Meghan:”
I think you mean “selling” his fury, not “telling” it. That is all that needs to be said really.

Peta Seel
Peta Seel
1 year ago

“We do have a prince whistle-blower, however, telling his fury across six episodes of Netflix’s Harry & Meghan:”
I think you mean “selling” his fury, not “telling” it. That is all that needs to be said really.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Perhaps the saving grace of these two cretins is the sterling work they both do for the INVICTUS GAMES.

These ‘Games’ are the salvation for many servicemen and women recently crippled in various ‘adventures’ propping up the Pax Americana.
No doubt we shall start to prosecute some of them in thirty years, as we have recently done to a former Grenadier Guardsman, but in the meantime we should applaud the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for their virtually unrecorded contribution.

Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
1 year ago

Not to decry the games themselves nor the Sussex’s contribution, but your characterisation of it as ‘virtually unrecorded’ seems bizarre to me. Googling ‘Invictus Games Duke of Sussex’ will return a seemingly endless list of YouTube videos and news articles covering their attendance at the events and his speeches as patron.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Pat Rowles

By comparative analysis with some of the other cr* p we are inundated with, I must disagree.

However that maybe because in my small corner of Arcadia we have other interests.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Pat Rowles

By comparative analysis with some of the other cr* p we are inundated with, I must disagree.

However that maybe because in my small corner of Arcadia we have other interests.

Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
1 year ago

Not to decry the games themselves nor the Sussex’s contribution, but your characterisation of it as ‘virtually unrecorded’ seems bizarre to me. Googling ‘Invictus Games Duke of Sussex’ will return a seemingly endless list of YouTube videos and news articles covering their attendance at the events and his speeches as patron.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Perhaps the saving grace of these two cretins is the sterling work they both do for the INVICTUS GAMES.

These ‘Games’ are the salvation for many servicemen and women recently crippled in various ‘adventures’ propping up the Pax Americana.
No doubt we shall start to prosecute some of them in thirty years, as we have recently done to a former Grenadier Guardsman, but in the meantime we should applaud the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for their virtually unrecorded contribution.

Joaquin Angulo
Joaquin Angulo
1 year ago

At least Wallace Simpson wanted to leave before she got married to child like king whose indulgences for carnal desires were more important than service to his people. Both H And K should paid back the $60 million pound of their wedding to the monarchy. Since they want to be self independence.

Joaquin Angulo
Joaquin Angulo
1 year ago

At least Wallace Simpson wanted to leave before she got married to child like king whose indulgences for carnal desires were more important than service to his people. Both H And K should paid back the $60 million pound of their wedding to the monarchy. Since they want to be self independence.

E. L. Herndon
E. L. Herndon
1 year ago

I am mystified by a statement of the author’s: “If you hide your sadness from a child, you hide everything.” What do you suppose Ms. Gold means by that? It sounded to me suspiciously like the faux-feelings drivel that Ms.Markel is known for. Blaming one’s parents for anything is useless, implying as it does, an infinite regression. Capitalizing on details of heartaches in the family circle is just plain low and undignified.

E. L. Herndon
E. L. Herndon
1 year ago

I am mystified by a statement of the author’s: “If you hide your sadness from a child, you hide everything.” What do you suppose Ms. Gold means by that? It sounded to me suspiciously like the faux-feelings drivel that Ms.Markel is known for. Blaming one’s parents for anything is useless, implying as it does, an infinite regression. Capitalizing on details of heartaches in the family circle is just plain low and undignified.

David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Golly. Can we nominate this piece for a ‘purple prose of the year’ award?

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

That’s Tanya. I read it against my better judgement, but there you go. The Sussex dust-up is ridiculously absorbing, even for those of us for whom the monarchy is not generally something we pay much attention to. I’ll even read a columnist whom I’ll usually skip if the subject is the Markles.

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

Feather-footed through the plashy fen passes the questing vole

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

That’s Tanya. I read it against my better judgement, but there you go. The Sussex dust-up is ridiculously absorbing, even for those of us for whom the monarchy is not generally something we pay much attention to. I’ll even read a columnist whom I’ll usually skip if the subject is the Markles.

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

Feather-footed through the plashy fen passes the questing vole

David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Golly. Can we nominate this piece for a ‘purple prose of the year’ award?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

99 per cent of the world has never met, let alone socialised with or known anyone in, or within any circle of The Royal Family. Not unlike views on global warming, opinion is derived from conjecture, speculation and heresay, and not balanced with any first hand experience or real knowledge whatsoever.

The above applies to Both Markle and Middleton, until they entered. Markle’s initial exposure to Harry’s circle came via his Household Division and Norfolk mates, again people whom 99 pc have never met let alone know, and she, and also Middleton, never knew existed.

Both women were simply miles from ” The right side of the track”, and whilst Markle’s venomous inferiority complex driven discomfort is manifesting itself, Middletons silence keeps her as a total unknown: however, her attention seeking, gossip column and media obsessed siblings are the diametric opposite, and are only an embarrasing revelation away from another media frenzy ” scandal”……

john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

It all derives from the sordid history of The Crown, just the latest generation of a long and evil line that has to actually died out numerous times and whose claim to Royal Descent is dubious given the lack of continuity or traceable patrilineal descent.
Their hatred of my family is perhaps rooted in their resentment of my ancestors telling the above to their ancestor’s faces.
It was the hard truth 500 years ago and still is today.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago

‘Heresay’, a combination of heresy and hearsay, sums it up nicely!

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john O'Neal
john O'Neal
1 year ago

It all derives from the sordid history of The Crown, just the latest generation of a long and evil line that has to actually died out numerous times and whose claim to Royal Descent is dubious given the lack of continuity or traceable patrilineal descent.
Their hatred of my family is perhaps rooted in their resentment of my ancestors telling the above to their ancestor’s faces.
It was the hard truth 500 years ago and still is today.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago

‘Heresay’, a combination of heresy and hearsay, sums it up nicely!

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Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

99 per cent of the world has never met, let alone socialised with or known anyone in, or within any circle of The Royal Family. Not unlike views on global warming, opinion is derived from conjecture, speculation and heresay, and not balanced with any first hand experience or real knowledge whatsoever.

The above applies to Both Markle and Middleton, until they entered. Markle’s initial exposure to Harry’s circle came via his Household Division and Norfolk mates, again people whom 99 pc have never met let alone know, and she, and also Middleton, never knew existed.

Both women were simply miles from ” The right side of the track”, and whilst Markle’s venomous inferiority complex driven discomfort is manifesting itself, Middletons silence keeps her as a total unknown: however, her attention seeking, gossip column and media obsessed siblings are the diametric opposite, and are only an embarrasing revelation away from another media frenzy ” scandal”……

Sophy T
Sophy T
1 year ago

Would he have got into the same amount of trouble if he’d dressed up in a Stalinist uniform?

michael harris
michael harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Sophy T

Stalinist attire was just NOT titillating.

michael harris
michael harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Sophy T

Stalinist attire was just NOT titillating.

Sophy T
Sophy T
1 year ago

Would he have got into the same amount of trouble if he’d dressed up in a Stalinist uniform?

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

One shouldn’t overlook the real culprit for Diana’s misalliance with Charles, her relentlessly social climbing stepmother Raine. Her father should have known better than to allow the match but he was in thrall to his new wife.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

One shouldn’t overlook the real culprit for Diana’s misalliance with Charles, her relentlessly social climbing stepmother Raine. Her father should have known better than to allow the match but he was in thrall to his new wife.

William Cameron
William Cameron
1 year ago

Harry needs everyone in his family to be victims he can be rescuer.
Karpov ? Was it ?

William Cameron
William Cameron
1 year ago

Harry needs everyone in his family to be victims he can be rescuer.
Karpov ? Was it ?

Trevor Williams
Trevor Williams
1 year ago

Brilliant take on Harry’s shallowness and his woes. Tanya – you are wasted writing about food! This is the kind of analysis that makes you really shine!

Trevor Williams
Trevor Williams
1 year ago

Brilliant take on Harry’s shallowness and his woes. Tanya – you are wasted writing about food! This is the kind of analysis that makes you really shine!

j watson
j watson
1 year ago

104 comments and counting. Plus the article in the first place of course. Aren’t there more interesting things to be writing and commenting about?
Just shows the level of craving addiction we all have to this nonsense . Haz may have been born to it and have no choice, but the rest of us have no real excuse.

j watson
j watson
1 year ago

104 comments and counting. Plus the article in the first place of course. Aren’t there more interesting things to be writing and commenting about?
Just shows the level of craving addiction we all have to this nonsense . Haz may have been born to it and have no choice, but the rest of us have no real excuse.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

The stark truth is that none of Harry’s social circle would have married Markle: The appearance of the beard and the wedding ring on the wrong finger just endorse and displayed the proof.. as if any were needed.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

The stark truth is that none of Harry’s social circle would have married Markle: The appearance of the beard and the wedding ring on the wrong finger just endorse and displayed the proof.. as if any were needed.

Rosemary MacDonald
Rosemary MacDonald
1 year ago

Rose

Rosemary MacDonald
Rosemary MacDonald
1 year ago

Rose

Helen Manson
Helen Manson
1 year ago

Thank you for this article, which was beautifully written and I very much enjoyed reading.

Helen Manson
Helen Manson
1 year ago

Thank you for this article, which was beautifully written and I very much enjoyed reading.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

It is unfair to blame either Wallis SImpson or Meghan Merkle. You may dislike both, but neither owed anything in paticular to the British Monarchy, and neither of them forced their man to do anything he did not want to do. Edwatd VIII did not abdicate because he had fallen in love with Wallis Simpson. He fell in love with Wallis Simpson because then he would have to abdicate. Similarly, Harry chose his Meghan because she showed him a way to become the kind of person he is now. The responsibility, like the unearned fame and the betrayal of the role they were born into lies squarely with the man in both cases.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

In both cases, the word man is in question, not in a sexual way, but their timidity.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

In both cases, the word man is in question, not in a sexual way, but their timidity.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

It is unfair to blame either Wallis SImpson or Meghan Merkle. You may dislike both, but neither owed anything in paticular to the British Monarchy, and neither of them forced their man to do anything he did not want to do. Edwatd VIII did not abdicate because he had fallen in love with Wallis Simpson. He fell in love with Wallis Simpson because then he would have to abdicate. Similarly, Harry chose his Meghan because she showed him a way to become the kind of person he is now. The responsibility, like the unearned fame and the betrayal of the role they were born into lies squarely with the man in both cases.

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago

Beats me how we can overlook Randy Andy’s criminality and keep him to the manner befitting. Plus quietly looking the other way re the ‘diet figurehead’ Sarah Ferguson’s blatant monetising of her exRoyal status. Yet quite happily strip Harry of all that was meaningful to him and create the toxic environment for Meghan (expecting her to take it like Wallace Simpson) that ultimately drove the wedge in. Yes, she’s American and views the world differently to us Brits – in any ‘mixed marriage’ (not talking colour) there is compromise. I think it’s a good thing that the Palace (establishment), for once, hasn’t got total control over the narrative so I say ‘Go Netflix’ and let us know the viewing figures!

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago

Beats me how we can overlook Randy Andy’s criminality and keep him to the manner befitting. Plus quietly looking the other way re the ‘diet figurehead’ Sarah Ferguson’s blatant monetising of her exRoyal status. Yet quite happily strip Harry of all that was meaningful to him and create the toxic environment for Meghan (expecting her to take it like Wallace Simpson) that ultimately drove the wedge in. Yes, she’s American and views the world differently to us Brits – in any ‘mixed marriage’ (not talking colour) there is compromise. I think it’s a good thing that the Palace (establishment), for once, hasn’t got total control over the narrative so I say ‘Go Netflix’ and let us know the viewing figures!

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago

It’s been suggested they should have gone to Botswana or some other African state to live.
Botswana is not on the map for kidnapping … but a British Reigning King’s grandson???? It’s clear, surely, that it had to be America where Megan’s mother will ‘mother’ and ‘grandmother’ them all and they can more easily get the security they need for their family and where people aren’t carrying this British baggage of double speak in respect of the Royals. There’s so much childishness and spitefulness in this country’s press – and in this post frankly, that it’s no surprise they feel and act as they do. It’s as if, collectively, we are denying the wars WE KNOW rage in many families (which I’ve observed first hand on countless occasions). Walk in their shoes first before sticking your boot in…..

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Tasker

I don’t think anyone is denying what you say, Diane. I believe it’s more that we’re living in a weird time of history where fabulously wealthy and privileged people are able to make million-dollar deals from complaining about how oppressed they are, plus, for people who profess to want to be outside of public scrutiny, they do seem to enjoy being interviewed by the press a lot.

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Thankyou for this Julian and there’s a great deal of truth in what you say, although I feel the seeds of H&M’s resentment were planted some time ago and have been allowed to thrive. I do think Harry has a long festering sore of resentment (and hurt) that his family (schooled by the Palace Establishment’ ) were not ‘in his corner’ when his wife fell foul of various archaic attitudes and Palace ‘traditions’. He may also feel that his military service and his efforts in launching the Invictus Games isn’t worth as much as his brother selecting the perfect queen-in-waiting who proves pliable in the hands of the civil servants who dictate her life – an offer the independent Meghan rejected. Put these together with the racist sniping and undertones of certain newspapers in relation to Meghan and it feels like ‘the adults have left the room’ The elite civil servants have triumphed and simply look on as the rift grows even greater. I do feel we are poorer for the loss of Harry and Meghan and it’s not a ‘good look’ for Charles…

Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Thankyou for this Julian and there’s a great deal of truth in what you say, although I feel the seeds of H&M’s resentment were planted some time ago and have been allowed to thrive. I do think Harry has a long festering sore of resentment (and hurt) that his family (schooled by the Palace Establishment’ ) were not ‘in his corner’ when his wife fell foul of various archaic attitudes and Palace ‘traditions’. He may also feel that his military service and his efforts in launching the Invictus Games isn’t worth as much as his brother selecting the perfect queen-in-waiting who proves pliable in the hands of the civil servants who dictate her life – an offer the independent Meghan rejected. Put these together with the racist sniping and undertones of certain newspapers in relation to Meghan and it feels like ‘the adults have left the room’ The elite civil servants have triumphed and simply look on as the rift grows even greater. I do feel we are poorer for the loss of Harry and Meghan and it’s not a ‘good look’ for Charles…

Jane Awdry
Jane Awdry
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Tasker

I remember thinking what a lovely breath of fresh air Meghan seemed when she first appeared on the scene – beautiful, glamorous, articulate. Far from loathing her, the press were admiring & happy for them. Of course there was a lot of attention from them, and of course there are always trolls waiting to spoil everything with viciousness. Anyone stepping into the spotlight in the strange world of monarchy would surely be somewhat aware of the pitfalls?
So it seems incredible that Meghan apparently had no idea what being Harry’s girl & then wife would entail. Surely one of the first things he would have told her was what she could expect in the Royal fishbowl once the initial gloss wore off? Or didn’t it occur to her to research a bit more thoroughly this milieu so far outside her normal orbit? And maybe temper her expectations accordingly?
She only really started receiving a bad press when she began complaining – loudly & often. But she got her £50 million wedding, a British royal title (despite the fact that she clearly despises everything it stands for) and a place on the Palace balcony. She wanted it, but when it looked as if she might have to make some personal adjustments (can’t wear what she wants – oh horrors) in order to take advantage of this fabulous wealth & position, she turned on it. And now they both trade on it for attention & money, bleating about how unhappy they are in a distasteful performance of pure privileged indulgence.
Millions suffer terribly from traumas & tragedy in their past, but they don’t have the fabulous cushion of wealth & celebrity that these two self-absorbed publicity-seekers do. So the world has to feel sorry for them as they display their grievances while living the sort of moneyed lives most of us can hardly dream of.
As for ‘security’ they could have given up the titles & lived as commoners. Their children might then have been ‘safe’ from whatever terrible threat was feared. But they didn’t. Because it was the coin they needed for press attention & million dollar deals. The irony of that appears to have passed them by.
I’d take this all back if they were to give the proceeds of this emotional TV diarrhoea to good causes. Or at least better causes than the Meghan & Harry gravy train. But I won’t hold my breath.
She has indeed got him by the b*****ks.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jane Awdry
Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Tasker

I don’t think anyone is denying what you say, Diane. I believe it’s more that we’re living in a weird time of history where fabulously wealthy and privileged people are able to make million-dollar deals from complaining about how oppressed they are, plus, for people who profess to want to be outside of public scrutiny, they do seem to enjoy being interviewed by the press a lot.

Jane Awdry
Jane Awdry
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Tasker

I remember thinking what a lovely breath of fresh air Meghan seemed when she first appeared on the scene – beautiful, glamorous, articulate. Far from loathing her, the press were admiring & happy for them. Of course there was a lot of attention from them, and of course there are always trolls waiting to spoil everything with viciousness. Anyone stepping into the spotlight in the strange world of monarchy would surely be somewhat aware of the pitfalls?
So it seems incredible that Meghan apparently had no idea what being Harry’s girl & then wife would entail. Surely one of the first things he would have told her was what she could expect in the Royal fishbowl once the initial gloss wore off? Or didn’t it occur to her to research a bit more thoroughly this milieu so far outside her normal orbit? And maybe temper her expectations accordingly?
She only really started receiving a bad press when she began complaining – loudly & often. But she got her £50 million wedding, a British royal title (despite the fact that she clearly despises everything it stands for) and a place on the Palace balcony. She wanted it, but when it looked as if she might have to make some personal adjustments (can’t wear what she wants – oh horrors) in order to take advantage of this fabulous wealth & position, she turned on it. And now they both trade on it for attention & money, bleating about how unhappy they are in a distasteful performance of pure privileged indulgence.
Millions suffer terribly from traumas & tragedy in their past, but they don’t have the fabulous cushion of wealth & celebrity that these two self-absorbed publicity-seekers do. So the world has to feel sorry for them as they display their grievances while living the sort of moneyed lives most of us can hardly dream of.
As for ‘security’ they could have given up the titles & lived as commoners. Their children might then have been ‘safe’ from whatever terrible threat was feared. But they didn’t. Because it was the coin they needed for press attention & million dollar deals. The irony of that appears to have passed them by.
I’d take this all back if they were to give the proceeds of this emotional TV diarrhoea to good causes. Or at least better causes than the Meghan & Harry gravy train. But I won’t hold my breath.
She has indeed got him by the b*****ks.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jane Awdry
Diane Tasker
Diane Tasker
1 year ago

It’s been suggested they should have gone to Botswana or some other African state to live.
Botswana is not on the map for kidnapping … but a British Reigning King’s grandson???? It’s clear, surely, that it had to be America where Megan’s mother will ‘mother’ and ‘grandmother’ them all and they can more easily get the security they need for their family and where people aren’t carrying this British baggage of double speak in respect of the Royals. There’s so much childishness and spitefulness in this country’s press – and in this post frankly, that it’s no surprise they feel and act as they do. It’s as if, collectively, we are denying the wars WE KNOW rage in many families (which I’ve observed first hand on countless occasions). Walk in their shoes first before sticking your boot in…..

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago

Harry is more than welcome here in Los Angeles (and rest of USA), but LA would love to have him for who he is not and for any royalty. As far as we are concerned, he can leave all royal trappings behind or keep them. That is his choice. Meghan was our semi-neighbor in Los Feliz for years in that we are next to Immaculate Heart, her alma mater, and next door to the house where her father lived for awhile. Meghan did not live with him. Meghan is already apart of us and needs no additional welcome, just of our good wishes. We will treat them like individual human beings and not as some symbols of anything other than themselves.

Last edited 1 year ago by Rick Abrams
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

Jolly good, you keep them over there. I can’t stand Meghan’s whinge bagging woke attacks on our country or the monarchy, especially after that ridiculously massive wedding she insisted on. I see nigel farage took exception to them linking brexit to racism. Good work nigel. Think they should shuffle off and save us the torture of having to listen them, like they said they wanted to in the first place.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

They do not wish to be treated as individual human beings. If they were so inclined they would relinquished their titles or at least not used their titles to make money, or MM amazingly, try to push into US politics. As for your good wishes, when the time is financially right for MM she will throw all your good wishes back in your face with a negative spin on them.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

Jolly good, you keep them over there. I can’t stand Meghan’s whinge bagging woke attacks on our country or the monarchy, especially after that ridiculously massive wedding she insisted on. I see nigel farage took exception to them linking brexit to racism. Good work nigel. Think they should shuffle off and save us the torture of having to listen them, like they said they wanted to in the first place.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

They do not wish to be treated as individual human beings. If they were so inclined they would relinquished their titles or at least not used their titles to make money, or MM amazingly, try to push into US politics. As for your good wishes, when the time is financially right for MM she will throw all your good wishes back in your face with a negative spin on them.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago

Harry is more than welcome here in Los Angeles (and rest of USA), but LA would love to have him for who he is not and for any royalty. As far as we are concerned, he can leave all royal trappings behind or keep them. That is his choice. Meghan was our semi-neighbor in Los Feliz for years in that we are next to Immaculate Heart, her alma mater, and next door to the house where her father lived for awhile. Meghan did not live with him. Meghan is already apart of us and needs no additional welcome, just of our good wishes. We will treat them like individual human beings and not as some symbols of anything other than themselves.

Last edited 1 year ago by Rick Abrams
Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago

As an American I am just glad that someone has finally admitted that slavery was a British institution.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

No, a universal institution which was abolished by the Brits in its dominions

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

After they made lots and lots of money. All I know is that no matter what the NYTs says America was a British colony in 1619 and not an independent country. It was another 150 years before we decided to leave you dominions.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

Jamestown, Virginia, 1607 :Strike One!
Thanks to Captain Christopher Newport, of Suffolk, England.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

But you kept slaves long after you became an independent nation. Read up on the way George Washington treated (his Wife’s) slaves.

Jane Stephen
Jane Stephen
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

There were slaves in the US for many years after it was outlawed in the UK and there was racial segregation until the late 1960s. Dont you dare hoist that one onto us.

Jane Stephen
Jane Stephen
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

There were slaves in the US for many years after it was outlawed in the UK and there was racial segregation until the late 1960s. Dont you dare hoist that one onto us.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

So glad you did so well, a shining example?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

Jamestown, Virginia, 1607 :Strike One!
Thanks to Captain Christopher Newport, of Suffolk, England.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

But you kept slaves long after you became an independent nation. Read up on the way George Washington treated (his Wife’s) slaves.

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

So glad you did so well, a shining example?

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

After they made lots and lots of money. All I know is that no matter what the NYTs says America was a British colony in 1619 and not an independent country. It was another 150 years before we decided to leave you dominions.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

In fact in goes back to the ‘beginning of time’.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago

Dear Mr Greco, what I love about Unherd readers like Andrew D, C Stanhope, Doug P, Jane S and Charles S is their knowledge and civility.
The place where you will find lots of agreement with you is The Times online comments section. Sadly, the irony is that these trolls come from one of today’s most enslaved peoples on earth….lets live in today’s world where the UK’s Royals are blatantly embracing of all peoples and all religions, as are its people. True, I’ve seen how the British police can still be thugs towards anyone but our press is surely and steadily exposing them.

Rose
Rose
1 year ago

Dear Mr Greco, what I love about Unherd readers like Andrew D, C Stanhope, Doug P, Jane S and Charles S is their knowledge and civility.
The place where you will find lots of agreement with you is The Times online comments section. Sadly, the irony is that these trolls come from one of today’s most enslaved peoples on earth….lets live in today’s world where the UK’s Royals are blatantly embracing of all peoples and all religions, as are its people. True, I’ve seen how the British police can still be thugs towards anyone but our press is surely and steadily exposing them.

Bill Bailey
Bill Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

When doing irony in print on the ‘web’ – a smiley helps. 😉

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

You are so wrong on that one, it was a world thing, practised by many countries for thousands of years and is still happening. Get your facts right.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

No, a universal institution which was abolished by the Brits in its dominions

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

In fact in goes back to the ‘beginning of time’.

Bill Bailey
Bill Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

When doing irony in print on the ‘web’ – a smiley helps. 😉

Lynda Ovens
Lynda Ovens
1 year ago
Reply to  Benjamin Greco

You are so wrong on that one, it was a world thing, practised by many countries for thousands of years and is still happening. Get your facts right.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
1 year ago

As an American I am just glad that someone has finally admitted that slavery was a British institution.