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The rise of Archaeologists Anonymous




December 3, 2022   8 mins

In a quiet group chat in an obscure part of the internet, a small number of anonymous accounts are swapping references from academic publications and feverishly poring over complex graphs of DNA analysis. These are not your average trolls, but scholars, researchers and students who have come together online to discuss the latest findings in archaeology. Why would established academics not be having these conversations in a conference hall or a lecture theatre? The answer might surprise you.

The equation of anonymity on the internet with deviance, mischief and hate has become a central plank in the global war on “misinformation”. But for many of us, anonymity has allowed us to pursue our passion for scholarly research in a way that is simply impossible within the censorious confines of modern academia. And so, in these hidden places, professional geneticists, bioarchaeologists and physical anthropologists have created a network of counter-research. Using home-made software, spreadsheets and private servers, detailed and rigorous work is conducted away from prying eyes and hectoring voices.

Many, like myself, are “junior researchers” or PhD drop-outs — people with one foot in the door but who recognise how precarious academic jobs are. Anonymity comes naturally to a younger generation of internet users, reared on forums and different social media platforms. They exploit the benefits and protections of not having every public statement forever attached to your person. I chose to start an anonymous profile during lockdown, a period which saw many professionals adopt a pseudonym as eyes turned to the internet and political positions emerged in relation to Covid, the presidential election and public demonstrations in the West.

Archaeology has always been a battleground, since it helps define and legitimise crucial subjects about the past, human nature and the history of particular nations and peoples. Most humanities disciplines veer to the Left today, explicitly and implicitly, but archaeology is the outlier. Instead, it is in the middle of an upheaval — one which will have deeply troubling consequences for many researchers who suddenly see decades of carefully managed theories crumble before their eyes.

In the absence of genetic data, it was once possible to argue that changes in the material record (objects and artefacts such as pottery, stone and metal tools, craft objects, clothing and so on) reflected some kind of passive or diffuse spread of technologies and fashions, but this is no longer the case. For instance, for many years students and the public were told that “pots are not people” — that new styles of pottery suddenly appearing in the record does not mean that new people had arrived with them and the appearance of the so-called “Bell Beaker” pottery in the British Bronze Age showed how imitation and trade allowed new styles of ceramics to spread from the continent.

But in 2018, a bombshell paper proved this was fundamentally incorrect. In fact, nearly 90% of the population of Britain was replaced in a short period, corresponding to the movement of the Bell Beaker people into Britain and the subsequent disappearance of the previous Neolithic inhabitants. We know this because careful genetic work, building from paper to paper, shows clearly that the new arrivals were different people, with different maternal and paternal DNA. Papers like this appear almost weekly now. Most recently, the confirmation that the Anglo-Saxons did indeed arrive from northern Europe has caused many academics a great headache, since for years the very idea of an invasion of Germanic peoples has been downplayed and even dismissed.

What seems obvious to the general public — that prehistory was a bloody mess of invasions, migrations, battles and conflict — is not always a commonplace view among researchers. Worse, the idea that ancient peoples organised themselves among clear ethnic and tribal lines is also taboo. Obvious statements of common sense, such as the existence of patriarchy in the past, are constantly challenged and the general tone of academia is one of refutation: both of established theories and thinkers and of disagreeable parts of the past itself.

Added to this is the ever-present fear that studies and results are being used by the wrong kind of people. In a 2019 journal article, entitled “Genetics, archaeology and the far-Right: An unholy trinity”, Susanne Hakenbeck expresses grave concern that recent genetics work on the early Bronze Age invasions of the Indo-European steppe are needlessly giving oxygen to dangerous ideas — namely that young men from one ethnic group might have migrated from the Pontic-Caspian grasslands and violently subdued their neighbours, passing on their paternal DNA at the expense of the native males. This narrative, fairly well-supported in the genetics literature, is for Hakenbeck deeply unpleasant and wrong:

“We see a return to notions of bounded ethnic groups equivalent to archaeological cultures and of a shared Indo-European social organisation based on common linguistic fragments. Both angles are essentialist and carry a deeply problematic ideological baggage. We are being offered an appealingly simple narrative of a past shaped by virile young men going out to conquer a continent, given apparent legitimacy by the scientific method.”

That war-like young men might have invaded a nearby settlement is apparently a troublesome statement, something that, again, most lay people simply wouldn’t find difficult to contemplate. Yet others have gone further still. Historian Wolf Liebeschuetz and archaeologist Sebastian Brather, to pick on just two, have both firmly insisted that archaeology must not, and cannot, be used to trace migrations or identify different ethnic groups in prehistory. To quote from Liebeschuetz’s 2015 book, East and West in Late Antiquity: “Archaeology can trace cultural diffusion, but it cannot be used to distinguish between peoples, and should not be used to trace migration. Arguments from language and etymology are irrelevant.”

At a stroke, this line of reasoning would essentially abolish several centuries of work unravelling the thread of movements and evolution of the Indo-European peoples and languages, not to mention the post-Roman Germanic Migration Period, Anglo-Saxon invasions, Polynesian and Bantu Expansions and almost all major changes in the human record. But this is precisely the point: by depriving archaeology of the ability to point to when and where different groups emerged and moved, there can be no grist to the nationalist mill. Origin stories such as the foundation of Hungary, England, France, Turkey and Japan can be collapsed into an amorphous and frankly boring set of stories about pottery styles, trade and domestic craft. Any hint of danger or exclusion must be downplayed as much as possible.

At the heart of this attempt at erasure lies a fundamental disagreement over archaeology’s purpose. While modern researchers cloak their liberal progressive worldview in the trappings of objective science, the fact is that archaeology is predominantly about telling human stories, and with that, stories of different peoples. The roots of archaeological scholarship lie in the antiquarian past, where intellectually curious men (it was mostly men), worked to piece together foundational narratives about their country and kin. From William Camden’s Britannia (1586) to Flavio Biondo’s Italia illustrata (1474), European scholars were concerned with connecting their nation’s past to the present. But since the Second World War, the trend in Western archaeology has increasingly been to “debunk” or “critically assess” national origin stories: to illegitimate vulgar emotional attachments to roots or claims to exclusive heritage. And yet the public are not stupid; it is obvious that these sentiments are political and inconsistent. Compare these two quotes:

“As sensible anthropologists and sensible historians have reminded us: cultures are always in the process of changing and reconstituting themselves, sometimes in almost unrecognisable, qualitatively different ways. There is no culture that has existed ‘since time immemorial’ and no people that is aboriginal in terms of their contemporary culture with a specific piece of real estate.”

“Indigenous Australians belong to the oldest continuous culture on earth. Ancient artefacts from Lake Mungo help show us what people ate and how they lived thousands of years ago. Today, the Paakantji, Mutthi Mutthi and Ngyimpaa people of the Lake Mungo region continue their close connections to the land.”

The first of these is from Nationalism, politics, and the practice of archaeology in the Caucasus (1995) by Philip L. Kohl and Gocha R. Tsetskhladze, the second from the National Museum of Australia. One takes aim at the people of the Caucasus identifying too strongly with their ancestors, the second happily accepts that modern Aboriginal Australians are the owners of, and descendants from, 40,000-year-old fossils found at Lake Mungo. The official acceptance that these Pleistocene skeletons are the sole preserve of the Aboriginal people and not the common inheritance of humanity has been securely acknowledged.

These are two extreme examples, but the value divide between the layman and the academic frequently clashes over this endless push towards progressive politics. Queer Vikings, transgender skeletons, female warriors… not a week seems to go by without some new claim that today’s morality has always been the norm. For the British public, perhaps no single phenomenon better demonstrates this than the “discoveries” of black people in British history and prehistory. The infamous Cheddar Man fiasco, where a Mesolithic hunter-gatherer was identified by geneticists as having black skin, a claim quietly retracted afterwards, was perfect debate fodder and was exploited by anti-Brexit campaigners.

Ironically, given that Left-wing activists accuse the Right of distorting facts to fit the theory, these discoveries are not presented in a neutral light. Rather, they are weaponised for supporters of mass immigration to make the rhetorical claim that “Britain has always been a nation of immigrants”. I should say though, there is no consensus within academia to do this, no secret plan or conspiracy. It is simply the almost total homogeneity of political opinions held by scholars and researchers, staff and students, which ensures that interpretations of archaeological findings often go “the right way”.

This became clearer than ever following the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement, which saw archaeology departments and professional bodies across the world fall over themselves to pledge curriculum “decolonisation” and an explicit commitment to politicising the discipline. To quote from the “’The Future of Archaeology Is Antiracist’: Archaeology in the Time of Black Lives Matter”, published in American Antiquity:

“Consequently, Black archaeology has been and must remain purposeful in practice. It rejects research and practices defined in sterile, binary terms of objective-subjective positionality. Archaeology at historic Black sites must be conducted with an explicit politics… To the field of archaeology, it serves as a moral guide with the potential to elucidate historical wrongs and explore forms of contemporary redress.”

While many people may sympathise with the basic message of redress as a form of social justice, what is being pushed here goes much further and amounts to the destruction of the scientific objectivity required to practice rigorous scholarship. One could argue that archaeology has always been a political battlefield, but the most reliable approach to finding the truth is grounded in empirical science, something precious and valuable and not easily regained once lost.

All of which goes some way to answering my earlier question: why are academics and researchers taking to anonymous online spaces to practice their craft? In part because we have an inflation of young people, educated to around the postgraduate level, who no longer see a future in the academy, where jobs are almost non-existent, and acutely aware of the damage a single remark or online comment can do to a career. But also because we have a university research system that has drifted towards a political position that defies a common sense understanding of human nature and history. A young man entering full-time research interested in warfare, conflict, the origins of different peoples, how borders and boundaries have changed through time, grand narratives of conquest or expansion, would find himself stymied at every turn and regarded with great suspicion. If he didn’t embrace the critical studies fields of postcolonial thought, feminism, gender and queer politics or antiracism, he might find himself shut out from a career altogether. Much easier instead to go online and find the ten other people on Earth who share his interests, who are concerned with what the results mean, rather than their wider current political and social ramifications.

So this is where we are. If you want to learn about the Ymyyakhtakh culture, Corded-Ware linguistics, Denisovan genetics, Mississippian cultural collapse, post-glacial Mesolithic development or migrations to Madagascar, the anonymous internet is the place to go. In the absence of status and career concerns, researchers can turn exercise their obsession by thoroughly reviewing new papers in a way the current peer-review system does not allow. Without the self-imposed firewalls of specialisation erected by academic departments, anonymous accounts and blogs are free to roam across different disciplines, connecting the dots between mortuary archaeology, languages and religions in a way modern scholars simply cannot. Are there cranks and weirdos? Yes. But I know of several hundred former or current academics who are committed to this new form of research.

I don’t know what my future holds, but I find it inspirational living in two worlds, where they bleed into one another. I get messages almost daily from others in a similar position, who sense they are not wanted in academia, but wish to continue their research. In this creative, dynamic interface between the visible and invisible worlds of historical investigation, something new is rising.

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Stone Age Herbalist is an anonymous archaeologist and writer. He is the author of Berserkers, Cannibals & Shamans: Essays in Dissident Anthropology and has a Substack.

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Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago

Just this week I was discussing something similar with a colleague. I predict that all the best paradigm busting research is going to be done by private corporations starting about now and for the foreseeable future. Universities are no longer accepting of the type of difficult but brilliant people who break paradigms. Instead they have diversity quotas, respectful workplace policies, and disdain for meritocracy. How did Elon Musk build a rocket company in less than a decade? Because he is the opposite of all that – and he attracts the people who are the opposite of all that. They may not be the best social company – but they are rocket scientists. So universities will become mediocre or worse and a new generation of private companies will foster great science. Bringing it back to the article – the next great breakthrough in archeology will probably come from ‘amateur’ archeologists while their brethren in the academy are busy working on their Equity and Diversity statements.

Last edited 1 year ago by Peter Johnson
Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Well said! (And much better than me – see above, or below).
Not quite convinced about Mr. Musk though, it seems to me to be vanity rather than innovative research (and he is rich enough to be as vain as he likes), there is nothing new in moving something with an explosive. But he does seem positive and enthusiastic and I can’t condemn that attitude, especially when contrasted with the dismal negativity that has become the new norm.

Last edited 1 year ago by Leejon 0
Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

“there is nothing new in moving something with an explosive.”
Presumably this is a snide comment about his successful rocket company. Look into this a bit more and you’ll find he achieved a lot more than moving things with explosives, in fact he advanced the science of space travel considerably then worked as a partner with NASA.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

No, not a snide comment at all, merely a statement of fact. I applaud the renewed interest in space travel and hope that in future we can use it to be innovative, rather than relying on 80 year old technology. Science has become managed of late, bureaucratic in nature, we can do better.

John Henry
John Henry
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

You’re giving the owner too much credit. “He” didn’t do any such thing – the armies of engineers did. Which they rarely get credit for. Musk is a narcissistic jerk who seeks the limelight, the world would be just fine without him.

Michael Quinlan
Michael Quinlan
1 year ago
Reply to  John Henry

The cash. Musk brought the cash. Combined with his vision and dedication to taking risks the field advanced. Politically incorrect, perhaps, but effective.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  John Henry

That is truly silly. Leadership means something. Churchill didn’t win the war on his own, but without him it would most certainly have been lost.

Michael Quinlan
Michael Quinlan
1 year ago
Reply to  John Henry

The cash. Musk brought the cash. Combined with his vision and dedication to taking risks the field advanced. Politically incorrect, perhaps, but effective.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  John Henry

That is truly silly. Leadership means something. Churchill didn’t win the war on his own, but without him it would most certainly have been lost.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

No, not a snide comment at all, merely a statement of fact. I applaud the renewed interest in space travel and hope that in future we can use it to be innovative, rather than relying on 80 year old technology. Science has become managed of late, bureaucratic in nature, we can do better.

John Henry
John Henry
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

You’re giving the owner too much credit. “He” didn’t do any such thing – the armies of engineers did. Which they rarely get credit for. Musk is a narcissistic jerk who seeks the limelight, the world would be just fine without him.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Elon Musk has created a leading Automotive Company from scratch at a time when all the other companies were merging to survive.
His rocket company is the first private company to take humans to the ISS, breaking a long period when only the Russian space agency was able to do this. They also developed a main stage rocket capable of making a controlled landing for re-use, again a first. His company are providing the transport for the Artemis missions…man’s first return to the moon since Apollo. His space tourism missions have allowed people to go into orbit round the earth hours, as compared to the few minutes on a ballistic trajectory of their competitors.
His Starlink company (satellite broadband) has been fundamental in keeping Ukraine connected…without it you would not even be able to make a phone call in many areas of Ukraine. Starlink has kept this network up despite the many hacking attempts from Russia.
Now you may dismiss this as ‘Enthusiasm’. I have known many positive and enthusiastic wannabe entrepreneurs. Some have even been successful. But very few people in history have had so much success.
Maybe we don’t understand why he has been so successful. But the first step to understanding is to acknowledge that there is something to look for!

D.C. Harris
D.C. Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

“Best day ever! I want to thank every Amazon employee and every Amazon customer because you guys paid for all this.”

— Jeff Bezos after returning to earth from his first ride on Phallus One spacecraft.

Last edited 1 year ago by D.C. Harris
Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

I just used Elon as an example of the type of person who couldn’t survive at a university anymore. But since we are talking about him – don’t forget Neuralink. He is actually doing this research because he believes AI is a threat to humanity. His solution, which is a clever one, is merge AI with humanity. Hence technology to bridge our brains with computers. I actually think Elon is a pretty deep thinker playing a long game. The fact that he is entertaining is only a bonus.

John Henry
John Henry
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Your advocacy of this jerk is noted. But he’s not interested in what’s best for human society – that’s the b.s. you’ve adopted as your own. If he was, he’d stop ruining our future. His vision for the future is a nightmare. All Musk cares about is Musk and the money he’s making, and his ability to control and influence. He’s not a man who should be adored even slightly.

John Henry
John Henry
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Your advocacy of this jerk is noted. But he’s not interested in what’s best for human society – that’s the b.s. you’ve adopted as your own. If he was, he’d stop ruining our future. His vision for the future is a nightmare. All Musk cares about is Musk and the money he’s making, and his ability to control and influence. He’s not a man who should be adored even slightly.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Musk bought what others created. The people who purchased the Hope Diamond did not create it. Things Musk attempted to start from scratch like his car tunnels were flops.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

Tiny companies don’t become huge successes without someone at the wheel to drive them there. Musk has done just that. And the Boring Company? The vacuum capsule idea was more for fun than anything else. Digging holes is still going on. Even if he had 50% flops, that’s so far above average as to be almost unimaginable. He has created companies that are wild successes in completely different fields of engineering.
He’s not siloed into one branch of engineering, as I saw all too often in engineering school. No one could understand why I did a double major in electrical and mechanical engineering and then had the chemical engineering department try to snag me to go for my doctorate there. When I taught crossover classes I was always surprised by how little they knew of each other. He’s a generalist and I love that about him.
Personally, I’d probably hate the man, but that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate what he has done.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

While the foundations of invention always relate to the past, Musk had a vision of seeing improving something as possible. His car mastered the issues around Li batteries – smart charging/discharging, battery pack design, modern electric motor design and even forming the vehicle body. Others could have done that but they didn’t, he did. Same with rockets. As the DoD fretted about Russian engines and developing a US engine they gave contracts to the usual subject who required a long development. Musk started from basics and developed those engines in record time beating the cost and schedule demanded by others.
I could go on about what his has done. He clearly has the skills to build a team and nurture it forward, skills that others find in short supply. He clearly has a vision for improvement and ought to be well recognized.

John Henry
John Henry
1 year ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

No, he didn’t. Stop attributing phony achievements to Musk. He’s not a one man show, although he thinks he is. He loves to take the spotlight and spin his b.s., but “he” didn’t do any of the things you attribute to him – OTHERS DID. He also worked them into the ground.

John Henry
John Henry
1 year ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

No, he didn’t. Stop attributing phony achievements to Musk. He’s not a one man show, although he thinks he is. He loves to take the spotlight and spin his b.s., but “he” didn’t do any of the things you attribute to him – OTHERS DID. He also worked them into the ground.

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

Tesla was a hobby company putting batteries in Lotus Elises when he took it over. Now it’s the most valuable automotive company on Earth.
He created SpaceX from scratch.

Do tell us what it is you have achieved with your life that is so notable, Mr Abrams.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

Facts don’t matter to these people, Tom. Once I figured this out, the world made a lot more sense. I was naive for many years. If Elon was seeking merely accolades and praise he would simply come out as a homosexual, female African of aboriginal descent. The tide would turn so fast it would cause your neck to snap.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

Facts don’t matter to these people, Tom. Once I figured this out, the world made a lot more sense. I was naive for many years. If Elon was seeking merely accolades and praise he would simply come out as a homosexual, female African of aboriginal descent. The tide would turn so fast it would cause your neck to snap.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

You need to balance reading the NYT and watching CNN with some reality. It’s good for your health.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

Tiny companies don’t become huge successes without someone at the wheel to drive them there. Musk has done just that. And the Boring Company? The vacuum capsule idea was more for fun than anything else. Digging holes is still going on. Even if he had 50% flops, that’s so far above average as to be almost unimaginable. He has created companies that are wild successes in completely different fields of engineering.
He’s not siloed into one branch of engineering, as I saw all too often in engineering school. No one could understand why I did a double major in electrical and mechanical engineering and then had the chemical engineering department try to snag me to go for my doctorate there. When I taught crossover classes I was always surprised by how little they knew of each other. He’s a generalist and I love that about him.
Personally, I’d probably hate the man, but that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate what he has done.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

While the foundations of invention always relate to the past, Musk had a vision of seeing improving something as possible. His car mastered the issues around Li batteries – smart charging/discharging, battery pack design, modern electric motor design and even forming the vehicle body. Others could have done that but they didn’t, he did. Same with rockets. As the DoD fretted about Russian engines and developing a US engine they gave contracts to the usual subject who required a long development. Musk started from basics and developed those engines in record time beating the cost and schedule demanded by others.
I could go on about what his has done. He clearly has the skills to build a team and nurture it forward, skills that others find in short supply. He clearly has a vision for improvement and ought to be well recognized.

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

Tesla was a hobby company putting batteries in Lotus Elises when he took it over. Now it’s the most valuable automotive company on Earth.
He created SpaceX from scratch.

Do tell us what it is you have achieved with your life that is so notable, Mr Abrams.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

You need to balance reading the NYT and watching CNN with some reality. It’s good for your health.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

It’s amazing what narrative can be accepted when you only read CNN. Compare the MSM coverage of Musk vs.that of the likes of SBF or that female wonderkind from the Theranos debacle. All glowing praise for absolutely nothing.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

I’m not so sure I did dismiss him, distinctly not in my own mind, that is something you merely assumed. This is a comments section, not an essay section. Some of us comment on the post alone, we do not seek to put the world to rights. There are enough of them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Leejon 0
D.C. Harris
D.C. Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

“Best day ever! I want to thank every Amazon employee and every Amazon customer because you guys paid for all this.”

— Jeff Bezos after returning to earth from his first ride on Phallus One spacecraft.

Last edited 1 year ago by D.C. Harris
Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

I just used Elon as an example of the type of person who couldn’t survive at a university anymore. But since we are talking about him – don’t forget Neuralink. He is actually doing this research because he believes AI is a threat to humanity. His solution, which is a clever one, is merge AI with humanity. Hence technology to bridge our brains with computers. I actually think Elon is a pretty deep thinker playing a long game. The fact that he is entertaining is only a bonus.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Musk bought what others created. The people who purchased the Hope Diamond did not create it. Things Musk attempted to start from scratch like his car tunnels were flops.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

It’s amazing what narrative can be accepted when you only read CNN. Compare the MSM coverage of Musk vs.that of the likes of SBF or that female wonderkind from the Theranos debacle. All glowing praise for absolutely nothing.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

I’m not so sure I did dismiss him, distinctly not in my own mind, that is something you merely assumed. This is a comments section, not an essay section. Some of us comment on the post alone, we do not seek to put the world to rights. There are enough of them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Leejon 0
Robert Cocco
Robert Cocco
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Vanity and ego, brashness and eccentricity (as perceived) are a feature, not a bug, inherent in the consequential movers and shakers.

Robert Hochbaum
Robert Hochbaum
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Vanity? I’m no Elon fanboy but he’s redefined in many ways how rockets are designed and how they function. Just being able to land a booster and re-use it is quite a technological feat. I have all sorts of criticisms of his cars and the company but what he has done there is extraordinary to me, having worked in the business for quite a few years. The effort to achieve things like that are not driven by vanity. There are other, less challenging ways to to stroke one’s ego.
Now, regarding the flamethrowers, you may just have a point… But they are kinda cool in the sense that most people wold be terrified of creating something like that for fear of public backlash.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Despite the ramblings of those who did not understand my point or take the trouble to ask, I have no animus towards Mr Musk, in fact I rather like his disruptive-ness. As for vanity, I must disagree, vanity is misunderstood, usually by people who do not think they have it. We all do and it as quixotic and irrational as any other emotion. You will note that despite the reaction I did not condemn his vanity, or vanity in general; you are mistaken if you think that individual vanity cannot be something that changes the world.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

Despite the ramblings of those who did not understand my point or take the trouble to ask, I have no animus towards Mr Musk, in fact I rather like his disruptive-ness. As for vanity, I must disagree, vanity is misunderstood, usually by people who do not think they have it. We all do and it as quixotic and irrational as any other emotion. You will note that despite the reaction I did not condemn his vanity, or vanity in general; you are mistaken if you think that individual vanity cannot be something that changes the world.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Musk is both. From what I have heard, I probably couldn’t stand the man in person, but somehow he has what it takes to make what seemed outlandish possibilities real. Lightning has struck him too many times for it to be mere chance.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

I agree

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

I agree

Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

It’s true … Peter Johnson’s comment is well said. I diverge with you Leejon, with regard to Elon Musk. I have tremendous confidence in Musk because he is upfront and transparent. Despite making billions in the electric vehicle industry, he warned us all about the shortcomings of electric batteries. He has a sheepishness to his braggadocio that screams to me a kind of modesty and humility that speaks his beneficent intentions. I truly believe he has the well-being of humanity and our nation at the forefront. It’s not the kind of braggadocio that President Trump has, although I think President Trump is a true patriot.
If you listen to Scott Adams, he discusses the brilliant, wise, older and highly wealthy individuals who are moving our country and the globe forward. Unlike Bill Gates and Bezos, who seem to be more interested in ownership of commerce for the sake of commerce, Musk is visionary – in space, energy, and now free speech. These are truly movements for the well-being of us all. I do not see the vanity that you see.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

I disagree

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

I disagree

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

“there is nothing new in moving something with an explosive.”
Presumably this is a snide comment about his successful rocket company. Look into this a bit more and you’ll find he achieved a lot more than moving things with explosives, in fact he advanced the science of space travel considerably then worked as a partner with NASA.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Elon Musk has created a leading Automotive Company from scratch at a time when all the other companies were merging to survive.
His rocket company is the first private company to take humans to the ISS, breaking a long period when only the Russian space agency was able to do this. They also developed a main stage rocket capable of making a controlled landing for re-use, again a first. His company are providing the transport for the Artemis missions…man’s first return to the moon since Apollo. His space tourism missions have allowed people to go into orbit round the earth hours, as compared to the few minutes on a ballistic trajectory of their competitors.
His Starlink company (satellite broadband) has been fundamental in keeping Ukraine connected…without it you would not even be able to make a phone call in many areas of Ukraine. Starlink has kept this network up despite the many hacking attempts from Russia.
Now you may dismiss this as ‘Enthusiasm’. I have known many positive and enthusiastic wannabe entrepreneurs. Some have even been successful. But very few people in history have had so much success.
Maybe we don’t understand why he has been so successful. But the first step to understanding is to acknowledge that there is something to look for!

Robert Cocco
Robert Cocco
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Vanity and ego, brashness and eccentricity (as perceived) are a feature, not a bug, inherent in the consequential movers and shakers.

Robert Hochbaum
Robert Hochbaum
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Vanity? I’m no Elon fanboy but he’s redefined in many ways how rockets are designed and how they function. Just being able to land a booster and re-use it is quite a technological feat. I have all sorts of criticisms of his cars and the company but what he has done there is extraordinary to me, having worked in the business for quite a few years. The effort to achieve things like that are not driven by vanity. There are other, less challenging ways to to stroke one’s ego.
Now, regarding the flamethrowers, you may just have a point… But they are kinda cool in the sense that most people wold be terrified of creating something like that for fear of public backlash.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

Musk is both. From what I have heard, I probably couldn’t stand the man in person, but somehow he has what it takes to make what seemed outlandish possibilities real. Lightning has struck him too many times for it to be mere chance.

Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

It’s true … Peter Johnson’s comment is well said. I diverge with you Leejon, with regard to Elon Musk. I have tremendous confidence in Musk because he is upfront and transparent. Despite making billions in the electric vehicle industry, he warned us all about the shortcomings of electric batteries. He has a sheepishness to his braggadocio that screams to me a kind of modesty and humility that speaks his beneficent intentions. I truly believe he has the well-being of humanity and our nation at the forefront. It’s not the kind of braggadocio that President Trump has, although I think President Trump is a true patriot.
If you listen to Scott Adams, he discusses the brilliant, wise, older and highly wealthy individuals who are moving our country and the globe forward. Unlike Bill Gates and Bezos, who seem to be more interested in ownership of commerce for the sake of commerce, Musk is visionary – in space, energy, and now free speech. These are truly movements for the well-being of us all. I do not see the vanity that you see.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Archeologists annoy racist zealots by clearly displaying that ancient civilisations and… note the word ” cultures”… yes ” cultures” could design and construct buildings and roads over a thousand years ago that Africans are still incapable of doing.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Africans are learning fast and will eventually put us to shame if we don’t learn. The west is not what it was. We have to accept that. Britain is a decaying culture obsessed with sexual identity and political correctness. We see it in the universities and in the nationalised organisations wherever government touches the culture.

David Sharples
David Sharples
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

As an American, I find it dystopian that free-speech does not really exist in the UK.
For example, are you free to say:
“ Islam is right about women.”
“ Islam is not right about women.”

Do you see the conundrum?

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Both are forbidden because the first would bring cries from feminists and the second would bring cries of ‘Racism’.

I would interpret things as follows: if everybody ties themselves to a certain minority opinion, it would be seen to be bad to take the view of the majority. There is almost no opinion which does not upset a certain minority.

Then you come to being woke. This means that if you are succesful and own a house and your marriage is OK and the children don’t take drugs, you have to pretend to be concerned that others are not like you. So, for example, if you are white, have worked 60 hour weeks, have invested well, you have to say that you have done this at the expense of black people. You don’t have to believe it but you are expected to say it.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

How dare you live your life as a white person all those years, complete with proper English and relying on mathematical formulas. You are not allowed to be proud of your culture. In fact, in this new era of multiculturalism yours is the only culture that is not allowed to be proud. For we all now know that the world would be holding hands and singing “Kumbaya” if it weren’t for the white man.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

How dare you live your life as a white person all those years, complete with proper English and relying on mathematical formulas. You are not allowed to be proud of your culture. In fact, in this new era of multiculturalism yours is the only culture that is not allowed to be proud. For we all now know that the world would be holding hands and singing “Kumbaya” if it weren’t for the white man.

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Very good, Mr. Sharples! But my guess is you won’t be able to get away with publicly making either of those statements in the US either.

Adèle Blanc-Sec
Adèle Blanc-Sec
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Does free speech still exist in American universities? because the disease comes from them?? Sadly.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

It depends on which definition of free speech you are referring to. If you mean the kind that is approved by the speech police, then free speech is allowed. If you are referring to voicing your own informed opinion, which might be contrary to the accepted narrative, then that is considered a threat to democracy.

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

It depends on which definition of free speech you are referring to. If you mean the kind that is approved by the speech police, then free speech is allowed. If you are referring to voicing your own informed opinion, which might be contrary to the accepted narrative, then that is considered a threat to democracy.

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Tom Graham
Tom Graham
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Free speech certainly does not exist in the USA or Canada.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Both are forbidden because the first would bring cries from feminists and the second would bring cries of ‘Racism’.

I would interpret things as follows: if everybody ties themselves to a certain minority opinion, it would be seen to be bad to take the view of the majority. There is almost no opinion which does not upset a certain minority.

Then you come to being woke. This means that if you are succesful and own a house and your marriage is OK and the children don’t take drugs, you have to pretend to be concerned that others are not like you. So, for example, if you are white, have worked 60 hour weeks, have invested well, you have to say that you have done this at the expense of black people. You don’t have to believe it but you are expected to say it.

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Very good, Mr. Sharples! But my guess is you won’t be able to get away with publicly making either of those statements in the US either.

Adèle Blanc-Sec
Adèle Blanc-Sec
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Does free speech still exist in American universities? because the disease comes from them?? Sadly.

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
1 year ago
Reply to  David Sharples

Free speech certainly does not exist in the USA or Canada.

Marchell Abrahams
Marchell Abrahams
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

That might be mainstream Britain; it doesn’t apply to the rest of us. And we are on the move.

David Sharples
David Sharples
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

As an American, I find it dystopian that free-speech does not really exist in the UK.
For example, are you free to say:
“ Islam is right about women.”
“ Islam is not right about women.”

Do you see the conundrum?

Marchell Abrahams
Marchell Abrahams
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

That might be mainstream Britain; it doesn’t apply to the rest of us. And we are on the move.

Fran Martinez
Fran Martinez
1 year ago

Some of those cultures were African as well though

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1 year ago
Reply to  Fran Martinez

And all those cultures were non Sub Saharan Africans or SSA’s heavily admixxed (Horners) with non SSA genetics. I wouldn’t even be suprised if a lot of structures in Horn were built by backmigration of non SSA individuals who slowly admixxed to what those populations are today.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Fran Martinez

lol censored my comment guess what im back, none were sub sahran african except horners who have sigfnicant non SSA admixture and im not even sure those structutres were built by current people, may have been built by backmigration of non SSA peoples into africa.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Fran Martinez

And all those cultures were non Sub Saharan Africans or SSA’s heavily admixxed (Horners) with non SSA genetics. I wouldn’t even be suprised if a lot of structures in Horn were built by backmigration of non SSA individuals who slowly admixxed to what those populations are today.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Fran Martinez

lol censored my comment guess what im back, none were sub sahran african except horners who have sigfnicant non SSA admixture and im not even sure those structutres were built by current people, may have been built by backmigration of non SSA peoples into africa.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

Africa is a continent with few ways of travelling for any significant distance. There are very few natural bays, so no sea travel. As a series of plateaus, and given the climate, river travel was also minimal. If you don’t travel, you don’t get exposed to new ideas. You don’t interact with other cultures. Geography plays a huge role in the development of a culture, or the lack thereof.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

Ah yes just like the Mesoamericans, Andean cultures, oh wait……..YIKES REDDITRINOS!

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago

Mesoamericans and Andean cultures developed corn and potatoes and yams. Africans developed yams independently, but potatoes and corn are apparently much more productive, though not as much as rice (per acre). Rice arrived through the Arabs and Indonesians (Madagascar, circa 200 AD), but never spread widely. Java and New Guinea are also heavily tropical. New Guinea apparently developed crop agriculture in terraced fields about 9,000 years ago in the highlands.

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago

Mesoamericans and Andean cultures developed corn and potatoes and yams. Africans developed yams independently, but potatoes and corn are apparently much more productive, though not as much as rice (per acre). Rice arrived through the Arabs and Indonesians (Madagascar, circa 200 AD), but never spread widely. Java and New Guinea are also heavily tropical. New Guinea apparently developed crop agriculture in terraced fields about 9,000 years ago in the highlands.

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

Also diseases had a hand, especially malaria. Traveling overland did happen, but nation states tended to not last long south of the Sahel grasslands other than Ethiopian areas, which were initially linked by sea travel with Egypt and Persia for a few thousand years, and India regularly since about 100 AD. European and Middle Eastern cultivated grasses never made it to Southern Africa, other than the Phoenician trip about 600 BC, which records them sowing a crop there for replenishing stocks.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

Ah yes just like the Mesoamericans, Andean cultures, oh wait……..YIKES REDDITRINOS!

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

Also diseases had a hand, especially malaria. Traveling overland did happen, but nation states tended to not last long south of the Sahel grasslands other than Ethiopian areas, which were initially linked by sea travel with Egypt and Persia for a few thousand years, and India regularly since about 100 AD. European and Middle Eastern cultivated grasses never made it to Southern Africa, other than the Phoenician trip about 600 BC, which records them sowing a crop there for replenishing stocks.

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Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Africans are learning fast and will eventually put us to shame if we don’t learn. The west is not what it was. We have to accept that. Britain is a decaying culture obsessed with sexual identity and political correctness. We see it in the universities and in the nationalised organisations wherever government touches the culture.

Fran Martinez
Fran Martinez
1 year ago

Some of those cultures were African as well though

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

Africa is a continent with few ways of travelling for any significant distance. There are very few natural bays, so no sea travel. As a series of plateaus, and given the climate, river travel was also minimal. If you don’t travel, you don’t get exposed to new ideas. You don’t interact with other cultures. Geography plays a huge role in the development of a culture, or the lack thereof.

Bobs Yeruncle
Bobs Yeruncle
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

I think it’s naive in the extreme to believe the private sector is free of woke ideology and Universities are overwhelmed by it. In reality all of the organs of society are equally in thrall to it. Only recently the Nationwide asked someone on twitter to ‘review’ their comment criticising some adult baby fetishists (sorry transgender people) for being unkind. Private sector is awash with EDI statements and relentless virtue signalling.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Bobs Yeruncle

Yes you are right. It is also in the what I call global companies but I do not find it in the small businesses where I have worked. They appear normal there.

Still need to be careful
Still need to be careful
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

True, but as a small business owner, we need to watch what we say online because one wrong comment can ruin our business. We employ people who are willing to work rather than SJWs who want to save minorities.

Still need to be careful
Still need to be careful
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

True, but as a small business owner, we need to watch what we say online because one wrong comment can ruin our business. We employ people who are willing to work rather than SJWs who want to save minorities.

anna moore
anna moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Bobs Yeruncle

I think that the fact that the twitter/ social media aspect of corporate jobs tend to go to the young folk is partly to blame here rather than a reflection of upper echleons where experienced staff are actually getting on with running a business

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Bobs Yeruncle

Yes you are right. It is also in the what I call global companies but I do not find it in the small businesses where I have worked. They appear normal there.

anna moore
anna moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Bobs Yeruncle

I think that the fact that the twitter/ social media aspect of corporate jobs tend to go to the young folk is partly to blame here rather than a reflection of upper echleons where experienced staff are actually getting on with running a business

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

It’s bigger than universities and academics. Unfortunately we have globalists with the same aim but who have $billions to back their cause. The battle is much bigger as it is in politics and affects everybody. I am amazed at how they are pushing myths today which most seem to believe. Look at the government in the Netherlands and Canada not to mention the USA itself..

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Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

With apologies to Winston Churchill, equity, diversity and inclusion is the equal sharing of mediocrity.

Kevin Johnson
Kevin Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

All epochal work has always been done by outsiders. University departments are set up to teach the prevailing method, to articulate it more closely, and to incorporate more evidence into its proofs. Revolutions in learning are always provoked by outsiders who show the limits of that prevailing method and propose another. But progress is never really gradual: it’s revolutionary. Look at what happened to phlogiston, or spontaneous generation, or geocentric astronomy. It’s one or the other, and a method with superior power to integrate evidence into its explanations must always obliterate the weaker. Check Kuhn’s Structure of Scientific Revolutions, for instance.

And of course the tenured professors of the weaker, outdated method will fight like demons to maintain their reputations and to suppress any actual innovations.

Peter Nockoldd
Peter Nockoldd
1 year ago
Reply to  Kevin Johnson

And how do the outsiders get anyone to listen? Michael Ventris who deciphered Linear B was fortunate enough to get a slot on Radio 3 which led to one member of that particular establishment accepting his findings, but that’s the only example I know.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Nockoldd

The Aussie doctor who found that ulcers were caused by an H. Pylori infection took 20 years to make the medical profession accept his findings and it took infecting himself with it to prove it to them.

Kenda Grant
Kenda Grant
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

So true. How about cholesterol vs homocysteine? Heaven forbid if big pharm couldn’t sell all those statin drugs. In a similar vein, I came across, quite by accident, a book called The Great Pretender by Susannah Cahalan (2019) It’s eye opening (especially in light of all the Covid “science”) It explores how our definition and treatment of mental health was (is) heavily influenced by (spoiler alert) a fraudulent research paper that helped “prove” the anti-psychiatry movement of the time. I see why all these creative researchers are moving “underground” – you don’t get published unless you support the narrative, even if your paper is redacted, no one seems to notice and it’s “evidence’ continues to be used. The goal isn’t truth or understanding, it’s success and tenure.

Kenda Grant
Kenda Grant
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

So true. How about cholesterol vs homocysteine? Heaven forbid if big pharm couldn’t sell all those statin drugs. In a similar vein, I came across, quite by accident, a book called The Great Pretender by Susannah Cahalan (2019) It’s eye opening (especially in light of all the Covid “science”) It explores how our definition and treatment of mental health was (is) heavily influenced by (spoiler alert) a fraudulent research paper that helped “prove” the anti-psychiatry movement of the time. I see why all these creative researchers are moving “underground” – you don’t get published unless you support the narrative, even if your paper is redacted, no one seems to notice and it’s “evidence’ continues to be used. The goal isn’t truth or understanding, it’s success and tenure.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Nockoldd

I think the ultimate example of this is that bloke who worked as a patent clerk, now what was his name?

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Nockoldd

The Aussie doctor who found that ulcers were caused by an H. Pylori infection took 20 years to make the medical profession accept his findings and it took infecting himself with it to prove it to them.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Nockoldd

I think the ultimate example of this is that bloke who worked as a patent clerk, now what was his name?

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago
Reply to  Kevin Johnson

Ah, mention of Thomas Kuhn takes me back.
I wonder what he or Karl Popper, or Imre Lakatos, would have thought of “woke”.
Perhaps they would think that “woke” is just the latest paradigm shift.
But hopefully they would be unanimous in thinking that this new paradigm is actually a backwards step!

Peter Nockoldd
Peter Nockoldd
1 year ago
Reply to  Kevin Johnson

And how do the outsiders get anyone to listen? Michael Ventris who deciphered Linear B was fortunate enough to get a slot on Radio 3 which led to one member of that particular establishment accepting his findings, but that’s the only example I know.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago
Reply to  Kevin Johnson

Ah, mention of Thomas Kuhn takes me back.
I wonder what he or Karl Popper, or Imre Lakatos, would have thought of “woke”.
Perhaps they would think that “woke” is just the latest paradigm shift.
But hopefully they would be unanimous in thinking that this new paradigm is actually a backwards step!

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

The fact that most ordinary people can plainly see that this illogical and unscientific Wokeness is infesting every scientific discipline goes a long way to explaining why more and more people are dismissive of or even antagonistic to climate change abatement measures, vaccines, even such common sense notions as using masks (voluntarily) to protect themselves from airborne illness. It’s true; we no longer “trust the science,” and for good reason.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

As I said elsewhere, the world now is full of vociferous minorities. You are no lo ger allowed to join the silent majority and stay silent. You have to appease the minorities by pretending to sympathise with them. This is what woke means.

My own favourite is that the western world is grindi g to a halt because people are eating too much. But the f-word is banned and doctors are not allowed to advise their patients to lose weight.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

And the non vociferous minorities of various types – Asian or Indian immigrants, religious minorities in Arab lands, conservatives in American campuses – don’t count.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

And the non vociferous minorities of various types – Asian or Indian immigrants, religious minorities in Arab lands, conservatives in American campuses – don’t count.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

As I said elsewhere, the world now is full of vociferous minorities. You are no lo ger allowed to join the silent majority and stay silent. You have to appease the minorities by pretending to sympathise with them. This is what woke means.

My own favourite is that the western world is grindi g to a halt because people are eating too much. But the f-word is banned and doctors are not allowed to advise their patients to lose weight.

Karen O
Karen O
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Yes. But relinquishing the institutions? What a loss, please no.

Chauncey Gardiner
Chauncey Gardiner
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

The examiner from the Swiss patent office might agree!

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

This model of secret research and public suppression of research is not sustainable in archeology or any other fields. Over time, suppressing knowledge and meritocracy will destroy civilization.

There’s no room for politics in a sewage system. If it’s not set up on sound engineering, no amount of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion will make it work.

While it’s great that there’s a short term work around, in the longer run we have to fight these idiots. If we don’t, their ideology will kill our children and grand children with a civilization collapse

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

This is a question to the author of the article (or anyone else who can answer it). Sorry to put it in a reply, but, for some reason the site is not letting me comment directly.
Where on the Internet can one easily find this anonymous or perhaps hidden research? On blogs? On particular websites?

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Well said! (And much better than me – see above, or below).
Not quite convinced about Mr. Musk though, it seems to me to be vanity rather than innovative research (and he is rich enough to be as vain as he likes), there is nothing new in moving something with an explosive. But he does seem positive and enthusiastic and I can’t condemn that attitude, especially when contrasted with the dismal negativity that has become the new norm.

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Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Archeologists annoy racist zealots by clearly displaying that ancient civilisations and… note the word ” cultures”… yes ” cultures” could design and construct buildings and roads over a thousand years ago that Africans are still incapable of doing.

Bobs Yeruncle
Bobs Yeruncle
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

I think it’s naive in the extreme to believe the private sector is free of woke ideology and Universities are overwhelmed by it. In reality all of the organs of society are equally in thrall to it. Only recently the Nationwide asked someone on twitter to ‘review’ their comment criticising some adult baby fetishists (sorry transgender people) for being unkind. Private sector is awash with EDI statements and relentless virtue signalling.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

It’s bigger than universities and academics. Unfortunately we have globalists with the same aim but who have $billions to back their cause. The battle is much bigger as it is in politics and affects everybody. I am amazed at how they are pushing myths today which most seem to believe. Look at the government in the Netherlands and Canada not to mention the USA itself..

Last edited 1 year ago by Tony Conrad
Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

With apologies to Winston Churchill, equity, diversity and inclusion is the equal sharing of mediocrity.

Kevin Johnson
Kevin Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

All epochal work has always been done by outsiders. University departments are set up to teach the prevailing method, to articulate it more closely, and to incorporate more evidence into its proofs. Revolutions in learning are always provoked by outsiders who show the limits of that prevailing method and propose another. But progress is never really gradual: it’s revolutionary. Look at what happened to phlogiston, or spontaneous generation, or geocentric astronomy. It’s one or the other, and a method with superior power to integrate evidence into its explanations must always obliterate the weaker. Check Kuhn’s Structure of Scientific Revolutions, for instance.

And of course the tenured professors of the weaker, outdated method will fight like demons to maintain their reputations and to suppress any actual innovations.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

The fact that most ordinary people can plainly see that this illogical and unscientific Wokeness is infesting every scientific discipline goes a long way to explaining why more and more people are dismissive of or even antagonistic to climate change abatement measures, vaccines, even such common sense notions as using masks (voluntarily) to protect themselves from airborne illness. It’s true; we no longer “trust the science,” and for good reason.

Karen O
Karen O
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Yes. But relinquishing the institutions? What a loss, please no.

Chauncey Gardiner
Chauncey Gardiner
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

The examiner from the Swiss patent office might agree!

Douglas Proudfoot
Douglas Proudfoot
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

This model of secret research and public suppression of research is not sustainable in archeology or any other fields. Over time, suppressing knowledge and meritocracy will destroy civilization.

There’s no room for politics in a sewage system. If it’s not set up on sound engineering, no amount of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion will make it work.

While it’s great that there’s a short term work around, in the longer run we have to fight these idiots. If we don’t, their ideology will kill our children and grand children with a civilization collapse

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

This is a question to the author of the article (or anyone else who can answer it). Sorry to put it in a reply, but, for some reason the site is not letting me comment directly.
Where on the Internet can one easily find this anonymous or perhaps hidden research? On blogs? On particular websites?

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago

Just this week I was discussing something similar with a colleague. I predict that all the best paradigm busting research is going to be done by private corporations starting about now and for the foreseeable future. Universities are no longer accepting of the type of difficult but brilliant people who break paradigms. Instead they have diversity quotas, respectful workplace policies, and disdain for meritocracy. How did Elon Musk build a rocket company in less than a decade? Because he is the opposite of all that – and he attracts the people who are the opposite of all that. They may not be the best social company – but they are rocket scientists. So universities will become mediocre or worse and a new generation of private companies will foster great science. Bringing it back to the article – the next great breakthrough in archeology will probably come from ‘amateur’ archeologists while their brethren in the academy are busy working on their Equity and Diversity statements.

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D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago

The Maori people arrived in New Zealand circa 1320-1350 AD.
The Anglo Saxons arrived in Britain circa 500-600 AD.
No-one would deny that the Maori are an ethnic group, or that New Zealand is their land.
Progressive academics deny that English is an ethnicity at all.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Let’s face the vast majority of those who “deny that English is an ethnicity at all” are just sore losers. Best NOT to ‘give them the time of day’ as we used to say.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

English is an ethnicity and a lot more so than Scottish. See Hugh Trevor-Roper’s book.

But these things are always a matter of degree. How far back do you go to define an ethnicity?

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CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Good to hear mention of the late Lord Dacre.

As to “How far back do you go to define an ethnicity?”………Pass.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Good to hear mention of the late Lord Dacre.

As to “How far back do you go to define an ethnicity?”………Pass.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

English is an ethnicity and a lot more so than Scottish. See Hugh Trevor-Roper’s book.

But these things are always a matter of degree. How far back do you go to define an ethnicity?

Last edited 1 year ago by Chris W
Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

The Maori people were also extremely warlike. In 1835 they invaded the Chatham Islands, committed genocide, and enslaved the indigenous island population.

Bobs Yeruncle
Bobs Yeruncle
1 year ago

And so indigenous and connected to their land that they hunted the giant flightless Moa to extinction in quick time.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  Bobs Yeruncle

Like any population moving into a new habitat, competition and predation and environmental alteration ensue – no matter what the animal – human or otherwise. For example the destiny of the marsupial fauna and mega fauna of S America after the Panama land bridge was established for mammalian invasion.
The Maori also made extinct the Huia and they introduced the Polynesian rat that began to lay waste to bird pops via egg predation. They also engaged in slash and burn culture.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  Bobs Yeruncle

Like any population moving into a new habitat, competition and predation and environmental alteration ensue – no matter what the animal – human or otherwise. For example the destiny of the marsupial fauna and mega fauna of S America after the Panama land bridge was established for mammalian invasion.
The Maori also made extinct the Huia and they introduced the Polynesian rat that began to lay waste to bird pops via egg predation. They also engaged in slash and burn culture.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

A bit like the Barbary pirates then who enslaved Britons as well as Icelanders and a lot of other white peoples.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Even some Irish ‘beauties’ from Baltimore, County Cork.
They must have fetched a good price in the Slave Souk in Algiers.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

I seriously doubt that there is a human alive today that doesn’t have someone who was a slave at some point in their ancestry.
I also seriously doubt that there is a human alive today that doesn’t have someone who was a slave owner at some point in their ancestry.
The etymology of the word “slave” itself comes from Slavs, the most commonly enslaved peoples in Europe.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

Absolutely – and they probably also had an anti-slavery campaigner in their ancestry.
But if you are white English you are personally responsible for the deeds of your slave owning ancestors but get no credit for the slaves or anti-slavery campaigners in your ancestry.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

Absolutely – and they probably also had an anti-slavery campaigner in their ancestry.
But if you are white English you are personally responsible for the deeds of your slave owning ancestors but get no credit for the slaves or anti-slavery campaigners in your ancestry.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

And don’t forget the Swedes and Danes (a.k.a. “Norsemen” or “Vikings”) who had a thriving slave trade of English and (especially) Irish captives.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Even some Irish ‘beauties’ from Baltimore, County Cork.
They must have fetched a good price in the Slave Souk in Algiers.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

I seriously doubt that there is a human alive today that doesn’t have someone who was a slave at some point in their ancestry.
I also seriously doubt that there is a human alive today that doesn’t have someone who was a slave owner at some point in their ancestry.
The etymology of the word “slave” itself comes from Slavs, the most commonly enslaved peoples in Europe.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

And don’t forget the Swedes and Danes (a.k.a. “Norsemen” or “Vikings”) who had a thriving slave trade of English and (especially) Irish captives.

Fiona Hok
Fiona Hok
1 year ago

Sssshhh!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Sounds like the Irish in the late fourth and early fifth century!
But at least you ‘picked up’ St Patrick!

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago

As recalled, a British ship brought the Maori warriors over some seven years after the islands were claimed by Britain, led by the chief Matioro arrived on the brig Lord Rodney. Supposedly the first mate of the ship had been ‘kidnapped and threatened with death’ unless the captain took the Māori settlers on board.
Andrew Piper (2012). “New Zealand Colonial Propaganda: The Use of Cannibalism, Enslavement, Genocide and Myth to Legitimise Colonial Conquest”
The local company unsuccessfully tried to even sell the islands to the Germans in 1841. It was a very ugly chapter, and the Moriori people were only declared released from slavery by the local UK magistrate some 21 years later, in 1863.
But the Maoris were often very violent people as mentioned. Apparently until recently it was not unknown for some one to taunt another by saying “My grandfather ate your grandfather”. And of course much of history has been very vicious with players of every other ‘race’ in the terrible passage of time, quite unassisted by “Caucasian” elements.
Point well taken.

Last edited 1 year ago by David Semloh
Bobs Yeruncle
Bobs Yeruncle
1 year ago

And so indigenous and connected to their land that they hunted the giant flightless Moa to extinction in quick time.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

A bit like the Barbary pirates then who enslaved Britons as well as Icelanders and a lot of other white peoples.

Fiona Hok
Fiona Hok
1 year ago

Sssshhh!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Sounds like the Irish in the late fourth and early fifth century!
But at least you ‘picked up’ St Patrick!

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago

As recalled, a British ship brought the Maori warriors over some seven years after the islands were claimed by Britain, led by the chief Matioro arrived on the brig Lord Rodney. Supposedly the first mate of the ship had been ‘kidnapped and threatened with death’ unless the captain took the Māori settlers on board.
Andrew Piper (2012). “New Zealand Colonial Propaganda: The Use of Cannibalism, Enslavement, Genocide and Myth to Legitimise Colonial Conquest”
The local company unsuccessfully tried to even sell the islands to the Germans in 1841. It was a very ugly chapter, and the Moriori people were only declared released from slavery by the local UK magistrate some 21 years later, in 1863.
But the Maoris were often very violent people as mentioned. Apparently until recently it was not unknown for some one to taunt another by saying “My grandfather ate your grandfather”. And of course much of history has been very vicious with players of every other ‘race’ in the terrible passage of time, quite unassisted by “Caucasian” elements.
Point well taken.

Last edited 1 year ago by David Semloh
Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Maybe not but it is certainly a culture that did amazingly well in the recent past.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

NZ *is* not their land. As I understand it, the Crown, after a series of bloody wars, arranged a relationship between the Pakeha and the various tribal chieftains via the Treaty of Waitangi. It was signed by many chiefs, though not all. Two Treaties were signed, one in English and one in Maori and there were subtle differences between the two that may have created a disadvantage to Maori. But the Maori understanding is legitimate and hence now, via reparations arising from the Treaty, NZ has a bi cultural ownership system.

Josie Bowen
Josie Bowen
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Such an excellent point. Thanks.

adsffads sadfasdf
adsffads sadfasdf
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Austro melanisians would like to have a word with you about the Maori sir.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Let’s face the vast majority of those who “deny that English is an ethnicity at all” are just sore losers. Best NOT to ‘give them the time of day’ as we used to say.

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

The Maori people were also extremely warlike. In 1835 they invaded the Chatham Islands, committed genocide, and enslaved the indigenous island population.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Maybe not but it is certainly a culture that did amazingly well in the recent past.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

NZ *is* not their land. As I understand it, the Crown, after a series of bloody wars, arranged a relationship between the Pakeha and the various tribal chieftains via the Treaty of Waitangi. It was signed by many chiefs, though not all. Two Treaties were signed, one in English and one in Maori and there were subtle differences between the two that may have created a disadvantage to Maori. But the Maori understanding is legitimate and hence now, via reparations arising from the Treaty, NZ has a bi cultural ownership system.

Josie Bowen
Josie Bowen
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Such an excellent point. Thanks.

adsffads sadfasdf
adsffads sadfasdf
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Austro melanisians would like to have a word with you about the Maori sir.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago

The Maori people arrived in New Zealand circa 1320-1350 AD.
The Anglo Saxons arrived in Britain circa 500-600 AD.
No-one would deny that the Maori are an ethnic group, or that New Zealand is their land.
Progressive academics deny that English is an ethnicity at all.

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
1 year ago

Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past

I know it’s becoming a cliche these days to cite Orwell, but I’m hard pressed to find a more concise and accurate summation of the motivies and strategy driving those who have captured and that now dominate every institution worth mentioning. I’m not in the slightest bit suprised that anonymity and shadowy forums are having to be used to circumvent the religion of progressivism in archaeology. There was certainly no reason to think this particular field would have been able to withstand capture when mathematics and engineering are begining to fall under the deluded control of reality-warping leftists.

The dominace is now so totalling that arguably the most popular science journal on the planet has felt able to openly proclaim that it will no longer publish information that fails to lend support to progressivism or that could possibly be used to offer a rebuttal to a view of the world that the academic left have already decided is absolute truth:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220829165223/https://quillette.com/2022/08/28/the-fall-of-nature

Dark times ahead.

When an individual subordinates truth to ideology, the results are always damaging. When all existing institutions within a state decide to start playing the same game, we can plainly see from history that the results are always catastrophic. And it’s a dismal irony that the persistent and determined redwashing of communist lunacy from education systems that has in large part allowed this takeover to occur here in the first place.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jim Jam
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

Brilliant, in a mere twenty one lines you have “lanced the boil”!
Well done Sir.

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
1 year ago

If only it were that easy!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

You’ve made a splendid start!

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

No. But you have to know the truth first before you can deal with the lies.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

You’ve made a splendid start!

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

No. But you have to know the truth first before you can deal with the lies.

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
1 year ago

If only it were that easy!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Jam

Brilliant, in a mere twenty one lines you have “lanced the boil”!
Well done Sir.

Jim Jam
Jim Jam
1 year ago

Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past

I know it’s becoming a cliche these days to cite Orwell, but I’m hard pressed to find a more concise and accurate summation of the motivies and strategy driving those who have captured and that now dominate every institution worth mentioning. I’m not in the slightest bit suprised that anonymity and shadowy forums are having to be used to circumvent the religion of progressivism in archaeology. There was certainly no reason to think this particular field would have been able to withstand capture when mathematics and engineering are begining to fall under the deluded control of reality-warping leftists.

The dominace is now so totalling that arguably the most popular science journal on the planet has felt able to openly proclaim that it will no longer publish information that fails to lend support to progressivism or that could possibly be used to offer a rebuttal to a view of the world that the academic left have already decided is absolute truth:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220829165223/https://quillette.com/2022/08/28/the-fall-of-nature

Dark times ahead.

When an individual subordinates truth to ideology, the results are always damaging. When all existing institutions within a state decide to start playing the same game, we can plainly see from history that the results are always catastrophic. And it’s a dismal irony that the persistent and determined redwashing of communist lunacy from education systems that has in large part allowed this takeover to occur here in the first place.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jim Jam
Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

My partner and I were discussing today the dismal state of academic research, where quantity and conformity are preferable to quality and innovative thinking – science (in our case) as a bureaucratic exercise rather than exciting discovery. Universities seem to have rejected the joys of thinking (they are not alone!). Your article has created a rare mood of cheerfulness. I wish you luck in your future discoveries; sadly, I fear, you will need it.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

You couldn’t have said a truer word. One can see how communist revolutions triumphed.

AL Crowe
AL Crowe
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

As a mature postgrad, coming back into academia really has been a depressing lesson in the extent of the ideological monoculture that dominates academia, especially within humanities.

I find it thoroughly disheartening to see average quality papers on “queering” something or other being viewed as cutting edge research simply by merit of the political position being promoted, because I will not sell my personal integrity or subjugate my own political beliefs in order to further my academic career.

I can hardly wait to finish my current degree and escape from this environment, and I cannot help but wonder how many others like me, who have the desire and skill to conduct academic research, have simply walked away due to this environment.

Last edited 1 year ago by AL Crowe
Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

When Dr. Robert Gallo discovered that viruses jumped species, which bucked the traditional wisdom, the new landscape took some getting used to. Academia needs some recalibration as well.
Academia has degraded itself enormously by chasing progressive values and chasing off conservatives who look today rather like the true classically liberal thinkers. When I was in University in the 1970’s anything was up for discussion. The Second Amendment was a radical tool for the protection of liberty, not a cover for weapons of mass murder. Academia has made two generations more stupid rather than more enlightened.
Rather than discard the 2nd Am, we should be thinking more critically about why violence is an acceptable tool of resistance and grievance (read Palestinians, BLM, queer and outsider revenge) than what it really is – unacceptable in civilized society. Mental illness including sex-changes, political aggression, snowflakes and outsiders who are bullied – when these are made the object of our attention and their grievances are allowed to take up all of the air in the room, no wonder they are led to the brink of mass murder.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

You couldn’t have said a truer word. One can see how communist revolutions triumphed.

AL Crowe
AL Crowe
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

As a mature postgrad, coming back into academia really has been a depressing lesson in the extent of the ideological monoculture that dominates academia, especially within humanities.

I find it thoroughly disheartening to see average quality papers on “queering” something or other being viewed as cutting edge research simply by merit of the political position being promoted, because I will not sell my personal integrity or subjugate my own political beliefs in order to further my academic career.

I can hardly wait to finish my current degree and escape from this environment, and I cannot help but wonder how many others like me, who have the desire and skill to conduct academic research, have simply walked away due to this environment.

Last edited 1 year ago by AL Crowe
Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Reply to  Leejon 0

When Dr. Robert Gallo discovered that viruses jumped species, which bucked the traditional wisdom, the new landscape took some getting used to. Academia needs some recalibration as well.
Academia has degraded itself enormously by chasing progressive values and chasing off conservatives who look today rather like the true classically liberal thinkers. When I was in University in the 1970’s anything was up for discussion. The Second Amendment was a radical tool for the protection of liberty, not a cover for weapons of mass murder. Academia has made two generations more stupid rather than more enlightened.
Rather than discard the 2nd Am, we should be thinking more critically about why violence is an acceptable tool of resistance and grievance (read Palestinians, BLM, queer and outsider revenge) than what it really is – unacceptable in civilized society. Mental illness including sex-changes, political aggression, snowflakes and outsiders who are bullied – when these are made the object of our attention and their grievances are allowed to take up all of the air in the room, no wonder they are led to the brink of mass murder.

Leejon 0
Leejon 0
1 year ago

My partner and I were discussing today the dismal state of academic research, where quantity and conformity are preferable to quality and innovative thinking – science (in our case) as a bureaucratic exercise rather than exciting discovery. Universities seem to have rejected the joys of thinking (they are not alone!). Your article has created a rare mood of cheerfulness. I wish you luck in your future discoveries; sadly, I fear, you will need it.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

Digital archaeologists of the future will pore over these secret servers as previous generations have scrutinised the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Rosetta Stone.

Truth will out, and thanks to the author for his lucid description of the cultural battles at the interface of academia and actual scholarship.

Academia – the modern day equivalent of the Inquisition in its distortions and simple lack of humanity. We once used to ponder how they could get it so barbarically wrong. Now we know. We also know that ultimately, it failed. I guess that’s why the author’s description of the frisson felt within the hidden online community is so inspiring.

Z Zabrak
Z Zabrak
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

“Academia – the modern day equivalent of the Inquisition …”
What a brilliant observation.
My favourite is:
“Remainers – the modern equivalent of Traitors to the Realm …”

Last edited 1 year ago by Z Zabrak
Norman Powers
Norman Powers
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Unfortunately they probably won’t. Online writing is different to paper writing. It exists only for as long as the server exists and has power, connectivity and maintenance. Yes, there are efforts like archive.org but they are expensive and centralized efforts that can be censored quite easily.
Books have a certain kind of resistance to them because once printed they can last for a very long time if well kept, and destroying one copy doesn’t destroy them all. The web was never really designed for knowledge preservation on historical timelines. Most web documents written in the past are now gone for good with no easy way to retrieve them.
This isn’t something fundamental to technology or the internet. There could be a more book-like web, in which the act of downloading a document was also the act of permanently archiving it and resharing it. There have been experiments with such things. But the inertia behind the current ways of working are enormous. People want their stuff to be read, so it goes on the web because that’s what’s most convenient, and so alternative systems struggle to take off.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

I largely agree from the technological point of view, but i suppose my observation was made more metaphorically. This article, for instance, will likely become part of the historical record which just might lead those engaged in research in the future to take their investigations further.

Isabel Ward
Isabel Ward
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Yes and no. You are seeming to suggest there is only one server and no backup. Yes, much will be lost (that has always been the case) but I doubt all.

AL Crowe
AL Crowe
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Whilst I suspect that you are largely correct about the likelihood of much purely online content vanishing, I also suspect that there will be examples of individuals finding troves of “lost” research on external hard drives dug out of relatives attics, or stuffed amongst the old pictures and paperwork in private archives of family history passed from hand to hand.

I suppose the best option for ensuring such work is preserved is to always back it up independent of the internet or any one computer, and hope that sufficient copies survive through to the point where academia might have moved beyond its current ideological crusade.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

I largely agree from the technological point of view, but i suppose my observation was made more metaphorically. This article, for instance, will likely become part of the historical record which just might lead those engaged in research in the future to take their investigations further.

Isabel Ward
Isabel Ward
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Yes and no. You are seeming to suggest there is only one server and no backup. Yes, much will be lost (that has always been the case) but I doubt all.

AL Crowe
AL Crowe
1 year ago
Reply to  Norman Powers

Whilst I suspect that you are largely correct about the likelihood of much purely online content vanishing, I also suspect that there will be examples of individuals finding troves of “lost” research on external hard drives dug out of relatives attics, or stuffed amongst the old pictures and paperwork in private archives of family history passed from hand to hand.

I suppose the best option for ensuring such work is preserved is to always back it up independent of the internet or any one computer, and hope that sufficient copies survive through to the point where academia might have moved beyond its current ideological crusade.

Z Zabrak
Z Zabrak
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

“Academia – the modern day equivalent of the Inquisition …”
What a brilliant observation.
My favourite is:
“Remainers – the modern equivalent of Traitors to the Realm …”

Last edited 1 year ago by Z Zabrak
Norman Powers
Norman Powers
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Unfortunately they probably won’t. Online writing is different to paper writing. It exists only for as long as the server exists and has power, connectivity and maintenance. Yes, there are efforts like archive.org but they are expensive and centralized efforts that can be censored quite easily.
Books have a certain kind of resistance to them because once printed they can last for a very long time if well kept, and destroying one copy doesn’t destroy them all. The web was never really designed for knowledge preservation on historical timelines. Most web documents written in the past are now gone for good with no easy way to retrieve them.
This isn’t something fundamental to technology or the internet. There could be a more book-like web, in which the act of downloading a document was also the act of permanently archiving it and resharing it. There have been experiments with such things. But the inertia behind the current ways of working are enormous. People want their stuff to be read, so it goes on the web because that’s what’s most convenient, and so alternative systems struggle to take off.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

Digital archaeologists of the future will pore over these secret servers as previous generations have scrutinised the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Rosetta Stone.

Truth will out, and thanks to the author for his lucid description of the cultural battles at the interface of academia and actual scholarship.

Academia – the modern day equivalent of the Inquisition in its distortions and simple lack of humanity. We once used to ponder how they could get it so barbarically wrong. Now we know. We also know that ultimately, it failed. I guess that’s why the author’s description of the frisson felt within the hidden online community is so inspiring.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

I keep reading stories similar to this. Such a sad state of affairs. I’m beginning to think the very root of the issues plaguing the west can be traced to the rot infecting our education institutions.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

I keep reading stories similar to this. Such a sad state of affairs. I’m beginning to think the very root of the issues plaguing the west can be traced to the rot infecting our education institutions.

Fafa Fafa
Fafa Fafa
1 year ago

This has been one of the most dispiriting things I have read about today’s academic environment. Samizdat in “Western Democracies” – we have really sunken that low?

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

Yes, and it’s worse than you think.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

Samizdat in “Western Democracies”
Just what came to my mind.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

Samizdat in a parallel polis?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

Samizdat in a parallel polis?

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

Yes, and it’s worse than you think.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

Samizdat in “Western Democracies”
Just what came to my mind.

Fafa Fafa
Fafa Fafa
1 year ago

This has been one of the most dispiriting things I have read about today’s academic environment. Samizdat in “Western Democracies” – we have really sunken that low?

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

So the truth goes underground, passed secretly from hand to hand.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Like Canticle for Lebowitz

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Interesting. I didn’t know about the book. I see that it’s never been out of print.

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Or Fahrenheit 451. Books are not yet routinely burned but many are criticised on political grounds or denied publication whether that is appropriate or not.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Metaphorical burning?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Metaphorical burning?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Classic SF, and a good read.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

And what’s on your shopping list? 🙂

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Interesting. I didn’t know about the book. I see that it’s never been out of print.

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Or Fahrenheit 451. Books are not yet routinely burned but many are criticised on political grounds or denied publication whether that is appropriate or not.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Classic SF, and a good read.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

And what’s on your shopping list? 🙂

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Like Canticle for Lebowitz

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

So the truth goes underground, passed secretly from hand to hand.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago

What a depressing situation. Reality itself itself is completely under siege and those that wish to debate Truth are forced to hide in the shadows.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Are you sure you don’t have cause and effect reversed. I think that those who choose to remain in the shadows are giving strength to the arguments they despise – by not answering them.

Sharon Overy
Sharon Overy
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

How can you answer if you cannot publish or speak?

Sharon Overy
Sharon Overy
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

How can you answer if you cannot publish or speak?

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

What Liebeschuetz writes is interesting: “Archaeology can trace cultural diffusion, but it cannot be used to distinguish between peoples, and should not be used to trace migration. Arguments from language and etymology are irrelevant.” All but the first of the indicative statements in the passage are demonstrably untrue. The only way one can agree with the passage is to take his use of the verb “cannot” as meaning that archaeologists are not permitted to use archaeology to accomplish the tasks he disagrees with, and then to agree with him about this.

Last edited 1 year ago by Erik Hildinger
Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Are you sure you don’t have cause and effect reversed. I think that those who choose to remain in the shadows are giving strength to the arguments they despise – by not answering them.

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

What Liebeschuetz writes is interesting: “Archaeology can trace cultural diffusion, but it cannot be used to distinguish between peoples, and should not be used to trace migration. Arguments from language and etymology are irrelevant.” All but the first of the indicative statements in the passage are demonstrably untrue. The only way one can agree with the passage is to take his use of the verb “cannot” as meaning that archaeologists are not permitted to use archaeology to accomplish the tasks he disagrees with, and then to agree with him about this.

Last edited 1 year ago by Erik Hildinger
R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago

What a depressing situation. Reality itself itself is completely under siege and those that wish to debate Truth are forced to hide in the shadows.

Tony Reardon
Tony Reardon
1 year ago

My readings suggest that there seems to be possibilities of human habitation in parts of Australia dating to 60-70,000 years B.P.. The earliest human remains we have uncovered (Mungo Man) date to around 45,000 B.P. This was discovered in the 1970s and before that the supposition was that modern humans arrived around 20-25,000 B.P. Evidence beyond about 60,000 years B.P. is very sketchy.
Each of these discoveries is taken to “prove” some unbroken culture which is held to be a good thing. However, when large scale genotyping of aboriginal Australians, New Guineans, island Southeast Asians and Indians was undertaken it found ancient associations between these groups with divergence times estimated at about 36,000 years ago. Further there is evidence of substantial gene flow between the Indian population and Australia well before European contact, estimated to have occurred during the Holocene about 4,200 years ago. This is also approximately when changes in tool technology, food processing, and the dingo appear in the Australian archaeological record, suggesting that these may be related to the migration from India.
There seems to be a reluctance to pursue further genotyping as it may well disturb the accepted narrative.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

Everyone inherently knows how it works. Migrant groups slaughtering, enslaving and brutalising weaker locals and outbreeding them. Just look at Africa. The Bantus were a tiny group in Cameroon millenia ago, now they dominate all of Africa and have reduced the aboriginal bushmen and pygmies to barely thousands hiding in forests and mountains. Cultural change is usually bloody, traumatic and violent.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Precisely, just look what has happened in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Liverpool & Rochdale.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

I have to ask. What happened in Rochdale?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Is happening would be more correct!

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

Oh, OK.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

Oh, OK.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Is happening would be more correct!

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Yeah. Dominated by a Scottish King then a Welsh King victorious in the Wars of the Roses.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Henry Tudor wasn’t a king at all. He just happened to be married to the widow of a king.
The Scots king James VI came later, after the Tudors had run out of offspring..

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CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Correct he was a USURPER!

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
1 year ago

No, James VI of Scotland had the best claim to the English throne when Elizabeth I died childless. A usurper is one who seizes the throne by violence or intrigue. Henry VII was a usurper, as were Richard III and Henry IV. And so were William and Mary – though the Brits prefer to call their takeover the “Glorious Revolution”.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

I thought it was clear that I meant Henry Tudor.

Nobody seriously doubted that James VI was the rightful heir.

You are absolutely correct about the ‘deceit’ surrounding the coup executed by William & Mary. I often wonder what would have happened had they lost?

There was certainly nothing particularly ‘glorious’ about their military coup. They were just lucky that James decided to ‘run away’.

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
1 year ago

Sorry, yes I thought about that possibility after I’d posted.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

No problem, these off-piste discussions are always fun!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

No problem, these off-piste discussions are always fun!

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
1 year ago

Sorry, yes I thought about that possibility after I’d posted.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

I thought it was clear that I meant Henry Tudor.

Nobody seriously doubted that James VI was the rightful heir.

You are absolutely correct about the ‘deceit’ surrounding the coup executed by William & Mary. I often wonder what would have happened had they lost?

There was certainly nothing particularly ‘glorious’ about their military coup. They were just lucky that James decided to ‘run away’.

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
1 year ago

No, James VI of Scotland had the best claim to the English throne when Elizabeth I died childless. A usurper is one who seizes the throne by violence or intrigue. Henry VII was a usurper, as were Richard III and Henry IV. And so were William and Mary – though the Brits prefer to call their takeover the “Glorious Revolution”.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Correct he was a USURPER!

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Henry Tudor wasn’t a king at all. He just happened to be married to the widow of a king.
The Scots king James VI came later, after the Tudors had run out of offspring..

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Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

I have to ask. What happened in Rochdale?

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Yeah. Dominated by a Scottish King then a Welsh King victorious in the Wars of the Roses.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

As I fear we are about to experience…

adsffads sadfasdf
adsffads sadfasdf
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

No it isn’t chud, they peacefully enriched the surrounding areas with their vibrant music and dance. Delete your hate speech immmediately and stop encouraging violence, you are a threat to democracy.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

Precisely, just look what has happened in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Liverpool & Rochdale.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

As I fear we are about to experience…

adsffads sadfasdf
adsffads sadfasdf
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

No it isn’t chud, they peacefully enriched the surrounding areas with their vibrant music and dance. Delete your hate speech immmediately and stop encouraging violence, you are a threat to democracy.

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

There is a lot of power, money and land at stake, given events since Mabo.
And you have GenX and millennial Australians for whom the cool thing is to say that they “live on stolen land”. Things will get a lot worse before they can get better.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

But they never think of giving back this stolen land. Perhaps the BM should just stand up and say – yes we stole everything -then they could keep it all, that seems to be all it takes to obtain absolution.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Everyone started from Adam and Eve and the world belongs to God. We don’t own it anyway but are allowed to live on it.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Our genetic diversity is hard to explain if we all come from Adam and Eve.
Then there’s the problem of Noah, his wife, three sons, and three daughters-in-law. I can only see one y chromosome there.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

There had to have been a First Human Couple which got us going in all our genetic diversity. It was probably more than 4000 years ago.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

There had to have been a First Human Couple which got us going in all our genetic diversity. It was probably more than 4000 years ago.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Our genetic diversity is hard to explain if we all come from Adam and Eve.
Then there’s the problem of Noah, his wife, three sons, and three daughters-in-law. I can only see one y chromosome there.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago

Perhaps the tail end GenX…

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

But they never think of giving back this stolen land. Perhaps the BM should just stand up and say – yes we stole everything -then they could keep it all, that seems to be all it takes to obtain absolution.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Everyone started from Adam and Eve and the world belongs to God. We don’t own it anyway but are allowed to live on it.

Kat L
Kat L
1 year ago

Perhaps the tail end GenX…

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

I had to look up BP. It transpires it is a way of dating common in archeology: Before present or before physics. Now intended to be “before 1950”.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I was familiar with CE, but BP was new to me. These days I tend to go with BC (Before Covid)

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Or B911.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Or B911.

Joan Yost
Joan Yost
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

BP as “before present” relates specifically to dating technologies. Using 1950 as the “present” is a handy reference to when radiocarbon dating became possible. Radiocarbon dates always give a date range, typically spanning more than 1000 years. Absent something very specific, like tree ring dates, the archaeological
past is understood only in very large timeframes. Tree ring dates can give an exact year, as opposed to century or millennia, but they are a unique form of dating and only available in limited areas.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Thanks for saving me the trouble. I was familiar with CE, but BP was new to me. These days I tend to go with BC (Before Covid)

Joan Yost
Joan Yost
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

BP as “before present” relates specifically to dating technologies. Using 1950 as the “present” is a handy reference to when radiocarbon dating became possible. Radiocarbon dates always give a date range, typically spanning more than 1000 years. Absent something very specific, like tree ring dates, the archaeological
past is understood only in very large timeframes. Tree ring dates can give an exact year, as opposed to century or millennia, but they are a unique form of dating and only available in limited areas.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

Everyone inherently knows how it works. Migrant groups slaughtering, enslaving and brutalising weaker locals and outbreeding them. Just look at Africa. The Bantus were a tiny group in Cameroon millenia ago, now they dominate all of Africa and have reduced the aboriginal bushmen and pygmies to barely thousands hiding in forests and mountains. Cultural change is usually bloody, traumatic and violent.

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

There is a lot of power, money and land at stake, given events since Mabo.
And you have GenX and millennial Australians for whom the cool thing is to say that they “live on stolen land”. Things will get a lot worse before they can get better.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

I had to look up BP. It transpires it is a way of dating common in archeology: Before present or before physics. Now intended to be “before 1950”.

Tony Reardon
Tony Reardon
1 year ago

My readings suggest that there seems to be possibilities of human habitation in parts of Australia dating to 60-70,000 years B.P.. The earliest human remains we have uncovered (Mungo Man) date to around 45,000 B.P. This was discovered in the 1970s and before that the supposition was that modern humans arrived around 20-25,000 B.P. Evidence beyond about 60,000 years B.P. is very sketchy.
Each of these discoveries is taken to “prove” some unbroken culture which is held to be a good thing. However, when large scale genotyping of aboriginal Australians, New Guineans, island Southeast Asians and Indians was undertaken it found ancient associations between these groups with divergence times estimated at about 36,000 years ago. Further there is evidence of substantial gene flow between the Indian population and Australia well before European contact, estimated to have occurred during the Holocene about 4,200 years ago. This is also approximately when changes in tool technology, food processing, and the dingo appear in the Australian archaeological record, suggesting that these may be related to the migration from India.
There seems to be a reluctance to pursue further genotyping as it may well disturb the accepted narrative.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

Best of luck to all you anonymous archeologists.
Mind you, lefty archeology is nothing new. My sainted mother studied at the London Institute of Archeology in the 1950s, and who was the Big Man in town? Prof. Gordon Childe, a notorious Commie. But my mom much preferred working with Prof. F.E. Zeuner.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

Back in the eighties there was a full Marxist take-over of a number of more social and psychological departments, with new students also in sciences (like me) being told that even here you had to be ‘socially conscious’. It would be interesting for someone to compare and contrats the current wave with the last one. Do you have someone for that, Unherd?

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

I would agree as long as Social Sciences are not included as real sciences. Social Scientists are people who use statistics to support their theories. Scientists they are not.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

But many of the scientists have caved in to their masters from fear of losing their research grants. So even science has been compromised, particularly in the medical field.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

True and I agree wholeheartedly. I am a scientist and I no longer trust anything I read from scientists. But Social Scientists are the lowest of the low because they have ideas and theories and try to justify them using statistics and then make it sound objective by calling it a science – you can come to any answer at all with this approach.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

True and I agree wholeheartedly. I am a scientist and I no longer trust anything I read from scientists. But Social Scientists are the lowest of the low because they have ideas and theories and try to justify them using statistics and then make it sound objective by calling it a science – you can come to any answer at all with this approach.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

But many of the scientists have caved in to their masters from fear of losing their research grants. So even science has been compromised, particularly in the medical field.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

I would agree as long as Social Sciences are not included as real sciences. Social Scientists are people who use statistics to support their theories. Scientists they are not.

Rick Hart
Rick Hart
1 year ago

Well now I am confused. Did The Anglo Saxons invade England and become the English, or not? Oppenheimer suggests the English portion of Britain had “always” been inhabited by proto Germanic people, with a language akin to the Belgae (a Germanic tribe), at least according to Julius Caesar.
I quite like the idea of the English always being in England. It explains a lot of cultural differences between England and the other three British nations.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

Back in the eighties there was a full Marxist take-over of a number of more social and psychological departments, with new students also in sciences (like me) being told that even here you had to be ‘socially conscious’. It would be interesting for someone to compare and contrats the current wave with the last one. Do you have someone for that, Unherd?

Rick Hart
Rick Hart
1 year ago

Well now I am confused. Did The Anglo Saxons invade England and become the English, or not? Oppenheimer suggests the English portion of Britain had “always” been inhabited by proto Germanic people, with a language akin to the Belgae (a Germanic tribe), at least according to Julius Caesar.
I quite like the idea of the English always being in England. It explains a lot of cultural differences between England and the other three British nations.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

Best of luck to all you anonymous archeologists.
Mind you, lefty archeology is nothing new. My sainted mother studied at the London Institute of Archeology in the 1950s, and who was the Big Man in town? Prof. Gordon Childe, a notorious Commie. But my mom much preferred working with Prof. F.E. Zeuner.

Howard Gleave
Howard Gleave
1 year ago

“Archaeology at historic Black sites must be conducted with an explicit politics…”

What an astonishing overt admission that science and discovery must be warped to fit a political narrative.

But all pendulums swing and the political madness that currently prevails is likely to be overturned in due course. How ironic that rigorous archaeologists have had to go underground to keep the flame of academic research alight.

Michael Cunningham
Michael Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Howard Gleave

“the political madness that currently prevails is likely to be overturned in due course.” I’m afraid I’m not convinced of that, here in Australia for the last 25-30 years education has been leftist woke indoctrination, children have been fed a false perspective and not all parents will be aware of this or able to counter it. I talked to the two people who started this in the mid-’70s, Joan Kirner, then Victorian Minister for Education, later Premier, and communist unionist Laurie Carmichael.

Michael Cunningham
Michael Cunningham
1 year ago

PS: I met them in 1985-87.

Jonathan West
Jonathan West
1 year ago

And what did they say about it? Presumably you got some insight off your conversation, or did you just meet them in passing?

Jonathan West
Jonathan West
1 year ago

And what did they say about it? Presumably you got some insight off your conversation, or did you just meet them in passing?

Michael Cunningham
Michael Cunningham
1 year ago

PS: I met them in 1985-87.

Michael Cunningham
Michael Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Howard Gleave

“the political madness that currently prevails is likely to be overturned in due course.” I’m afraid I’m not convinced of that, here in Australia for the last 25-30 years education has been leftist woke indoctrination, children have been fed a false perspective and not all parents will be aware of this or able to counter it. I talked to the two people who started this in the mid-’70s, Joan Kirner, then Victorian Minister for Education, later Premier, and communist unionist Laurie Carmichael.

Howard Gleave
Howard Gleave
1 year ago

“Archaeology at historic Black sites must be conducted with an explicit politics…”

What an astonishing overt admission that science and discovery must be warped to fit a political narrative.

But all pendulums swing and the political madness that currently prevails is likely to be overturned in due course. How ironic that rigorous archaeologists have had to go underground to keep the flame of academic research alight.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

The reason why we have ‘Black History Month’ and not ‘Black Culture Month’ was the desire to investigate African history prior to the invasion by European nations and to debunk the notion that Africa only had a history once Europeans were present on the continent. What African historians quickly realised was that African kingdoms and empires were built in the same was as kingdoms and empires anywhere in the world – on war, conquest and slavery.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

The reason why we have ‘Black History Month’ and not ‘Black Culture Month’ was the desire to investigate African history prior to the invasion by European nations and to debunk the notion that Africa only had a history once Europeans were present on the continent. What African historians quickly realised was that African kingdoms and empires were built in the same was as kingdoms and empires anywhere in the world – on war, conquest and slavery.

David Sharples
David Sharples
1 year ago

At a recent DEI moment at work, a woman of partial Native American ancestry spoke glowingly of the old days before the (white) Christians came….

I sat there in the audience, musing to myself: “ah yes, the good old days, when the powerful men in the tribe could practice polygamy, forcing the young men to go off to war.. to capture and subdue brides of their own.”

David Sharples
David Sharples
1 year ago

At a recent DEI moment at work, a woman of partial Native American ancestry spoke glowingly of the old days before the (white) Christians came….

I sat there in the audience, musing to myself: “ah yes, the good old days, when the powerful men in the tribe could practice polygamy, forcing the young men to go off to war.. to capture and subdue brides of their own.”

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago

Universities should perhaps more accurately be called Partialversities because they shy away from truth (lower case t) in favour of preferred emotional narratives.
In my day (I’m old) there was the Loughborough University of Technology (previously the Loughborough Technical Institute) and it was separate from the Loughborough Collage of Art until 1998. Perhaps we should reverse the amalgamation of University Sciences and the Humanities to try and preserve objective science?

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

“Collage of Art”. I like it!

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

My engineering school had only been part of the University of Louisville for about 10 years when I attended. We called the rest of it the “Arts and Crafts” side of the street.
Sadly, when I look it up these days it’s been too well integrated into the rest and is using all the common buzz words. It’s no longer top ten in anything.

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Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

My engineering school had only been part of the University of Louisville for about 10 years when I attended. We called the rest of it the “Arts and Crafts” side of the street.
Sadly, when I look it up these days it’s been too well integrated into the rest and is using all the common buzz words. It’s no longer top ten in anything.

Last edited 1 year ago by Diane Merriam
Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

“Collage of Art”. I like it!

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago

Universities should perhaps more accurately be called Partialversities because they shy away from truth (lower case t) in favour of preferred emotional narratives.
In my day (I’m old) there was the Loughborough University of Technology (previously the Loughborough Technical Institute) and it was separate from the Loughborough Collage of Art until 1998. Perhaps we should reverse the amalgamation of University Sciences and the Humanities to try and preserve objective science?

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

”“Britain has always been a nation of immigrants”.”, what a loaded statement in the context given above, and how apropos of today’s reality in that way.

But I did not get the writers line at the end:

”I don’t know what my future holds, but I find it inspirational living in two worlds, where they bleed into one another.”

Does he mean the two worlds to be where real discussion may only be had secretly and anonymously, wile the false truth of woke rules the public space? That he likes the politically correct truth lies outwardly – and very dangerous real truth must be hidden in secrecy? (I suppose because the real truth is apostasy to a nu-Liberal, and the writer must have been selected to be a true believer capable of ‘doublethink’ from early; to have tracked into that field of make-believe; the humanity soft-sciences)

This is a weirdly Schizophrenic reality of all modern students. Very like Maoist and Stalinist Communism where there was real truth, and the fake truth, and one safe, and the other very dangerous indeed. Pure INGSOC.

haha, what a mad world – now days the Emperor is always naked but no kid dares to say it…..

I have had a lot of dealings with archeology in my past, been on many a site and dig…., and archeology and history – they make a lie of all modern truth.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

” Archaeology at historic Black sites must be conducted with an explicit politics… To the field of archaeology, it serves as a moral guide with the potential to elucidate historical wrongs and explore forms of contemporary redress.”

Does sound quite a lot like the Cultural Revolution’s ‘better red than expert’ ideology. The Chinese paid a very big price before they got back on track after that disaster.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

” Archaeology at historic Black sites must be conducted with an explicit politics… To the field of archaeology, it serves as a moral guide with the potential to elucidate historical wrongs and explore forms of contemporary redress.”

Does sound quite a lot like the Cultural Revolution’s ‘better red than expert’ ideology. The Chinese paid a very big price before they got back on track after that disaster.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

”“Britain has always been a nation of immigrants”.”, what a loaded statement in the context given above, and how apropos of today’s reality in that way.

But I did not get the writers line at the end:

”I don’t know what my future holds, but I find it inspirational living in two worlds, where they bleed into one another.”

Does he mean the two worlds to be where real discussion may only be had secretly and anonymously, wile the false truth of woke rules the public space? That he likes the politically correct truth lies outwardly – and very dangerous real truth must be hidden in secrecy? (I suppose because the real truth is apostasy to a nu-Liberal, and the writer must have been selected to be a true believer capable of ‘doublethink’ from early; to have tracked into that field of make-believe; the humanity soft-sciences)

This is a weirdly Schizophrenic reality of all modern students. Very like Maoist and Stalinist Communism where there was real truth, and the fake truth, and one safe, and the other very dangerous indeed. Pure INGSOC.

haha, what a mad world – now days the Emperor is always naked but no kid dares to say it…..

I have had a lot of dealings with archeology in my past, been on many a site and dig…., and archeology and history – they make a lie of all modern truth.

hayden eastwood
hayden eastwood
1 year ago

Unherd, please work on your moderation system – my stuff frequently disappears despite being rather vanilla. I would love to know what triggers your “must moderate” tag and then, how it comes to be that comments can stay in that queue for days while whichever intern is tasked with reading “politically sensitive” comments gets round to reading the thing and allowing it through.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

Happens to em too. I have suspected someone is sending in spam alerts on posts he does not like.

But yes, Unherd needs to do some work. Also on allowing us to comment all the time, not just some of the time.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

“I have suspected someone is sending in spam alerts”
Yes, I’m pretty sure that’s the case. I’ve had myself and chatted with UnHerd about it. They try to manage it but who knows how much there is?

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Spam alerts, or other “reported” posts, should be checked by a human, and if the same reporter is found to be behind more than a couple without foundation then that person and their IP address should be banned!

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

“I have suspected someone is sending in spam alerts”
Yes, I’m pretty sure that’s the case. I’ve had myself and chatted with UnHerd about it. They try to manage it but who knows how much there is?

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Spam alerts, or other “reported” posts, should be checked by a human, and if the same reporter is found to be behind more than a couple without foundation then that person and their IP address should be banned!

Wilfred Davis
Wilfred Davis
1 year ago

UnHerd, please may I second Haydon Eastwood’s remarks (which, I notice, have been posted by many UnHerd users in the past).

A website dedicated to free exchange of views is undermining itself when perfectly ordinary and polite contributions are withheld for some unspecified ‘review’ process. If it is a systems matter, please attend to it. If it is human intervention, please have a little word.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

Happens to em too. I have suspected someone is sending in spam alerts on posts he does not like.

But yes, Unherd needs to do some work. Also on allowing us to comment all the time, not just some of the time.

Wilfred Davis
Wilfred Davis
1 year ago

UnHerd, please may I second Haydon Eastwood’s remarks (which, I notice, have been posted by many UnHerd users in the past).

A website dedicated to free exchange of views is undermining itself when perfectly ordinary and polite contributions are withheld for some unspecified ‘review’ process. If it is a systems matter, please attend to it. If it is human intervention, please have a little word.

hayden eastwood
hayden eastwood
1 year ago

Unherd, please work on your moderation system – my stuff frequently disappears despite being rather vanilla. I would love to know what triggers your “must moderate” tag and then, how it comes to be that comments can stay in that queue for days while whichever intern is tasked with reading “politically sensitive” comments gets round to reading the thing and allowing it through.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

Wonderful essay. Thanks.
But as a layman with a decades-long focus on such things I think a good case can be made that the “genetics” side of the argument is too ready to dismiss the “artifacts” side. The sample sizes in the various studies are just too small, and the conclusions too sweeping, to accept them without a lot more supporting evidence. That “90% replacement” figure is particularly difficult. How would the newcomers manage to kill off so many of the original men? Isn’t it more likely that the newcomers took certain prime real estate for themselves and drove the survivors into the hills? Wouldn’t genetic surveys from many more, and varied, contemporaneous sites be needed to reach any believeable conclusions?
On the other hand, I can sense the direction that all of the evidence is leading. I might not like it but I’m intellectualy bound to accept it. If and when you all can make a better case.
As an amatuer I can only look on in amazed disgust and wonderment at the socio-political issues. I thank my stars that I never had any ambitions in academia. And I look forward to that “something new [that] is rising”!

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago

“Isn’t it more likely that the newcomers took certain prime real estate for themselves and drive the survivors into the hills?” That is indeed what happened in the Americas and it was a centuries long process.

Narcissa Smith-Harris
Narcissa Smith-Harris
1 year ago

Either way why does the change in the Y chromosome mean, as the author implies, that now there was an entire different culture instead of a cultural leap. Half the population was still there, the half moreover in charge of the bulk of cultural transmission to the young. It is beyond odd to think the culture and its people’s disappeared when only its men did.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago

“Isn’t it more likely that the newcomers took certain prime real estate for themselves and drive the survivors into the hills?” That is indeed what happened in the Americas and it was a centuries long process.

Narcissa Smith-Harris
Narcissa Smith-Harris
1 year ago

Either way why does the change in the Y chromosome mean, as the author implies, that now there was an entire different culture instead of a cultural leap. Half the population was still there, the half moreover in charge of the bulk of cultural transmission to the young. It is beyond odd to think the culture and its people’s disappeared when only its men did.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

Wonderful essay. Thanks.
But as a layman with a decades-long focus on such things I think a good case can be made that the “genetics” side of the argument is too ready to dismiss the “artifacts” side. The sample sizes in the various studies are just too small, and the conclusions too sweeping, to accept them without a lot more supporting evidence. That “90% replacement” figure is particularly difficult. How would the newcomers manage to kill off so many of the original men? Isn’t it more likely that the newcomers took certain prime real estate for themselves and drove the survivors into the hills? Wouldn’t genetic surveys from many more, and varied, contemporaneous sites be needed to reach any believeable conclusions?
On the other hand, I can sense the direction that all of the evidence is leading. I might not like it but I’m intellectualy bound to accept it. If and when you all can make a better case.
As an amatuer I can only look on in amazed disgust and wonderment at the socio-political issues. I thank my stars that I never had any ambitions in academia. And I look forward to that “something new [that] is rising”!

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago

I think this is driven by anti-colonialism. How can one morally condemn British and other European explorers and colonizers for what happened to the indigenous people they encountered and in cases overwhelmed, if one concedes that said indigenes had done similar to someone else, and often not that long ago and in a chain of successions going back as far as we can see?

Ideology makes you stupid.

See Napoleon Chagnon’s “Noble Savages” for how similar ideology destroyed the field of anthropology.

The social sciences, humanities including History and all forms of art and criticism and fields like Education and Journalism having been crushed, Pomo Wokeism is destroying the Law and Medicine as we speak, and turning its guns on Engineering and the hard sciences. Even Physics is not immune.

Unless something changes in 10 years there will be nothing of value left in the elite academy and all fields it reaches, except for samizdat on its fringes.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

Some cultures are warlike, aggressive and expansionary and obsessively conformist others are peaceable and tolerant of difference. They can also change over time.
It is difficult to study other societies without making judgements based on one’s own culture

David Yetter
David Yetter
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

And some are warlike aggressive, expansionary and tolerant of difference (e.g. the Mongols, who would raze cities and do unspeakable thing to the captives if they were resisted, but practiced religious tolerance both for themselves and their subjects, and indeed support of every religion practiced by anyone in their empire, with the clergy not only untaxed, but paid a stipend, and encouraged the local industries they found in sedentary peoples under their rule — yes as a source of taxes, but it still meant supporting others doing things they’d always done that no self-respecting Mongol would do).

David Yetter
David Yetter
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

And some are warlike aggressive, expansionary and tolerant of difference (e.g. the Mongols, who would raze cities and do unspeakable thing to the captives if they were resisted, but practiced religious tolerance both for themselves and their subjects, and indeed support of every religion practiced by anyone in their empire, with the clergy not only untaxed, but paid a stipend, and encouraged the local industries they found in sedentary peoples under their rule — yes as a source of taxes, but it still meant supporting others doing things they’d always done that no self-respecting Mongol would do).

Concerned Dad
Concerned Dad
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

It is in our school curriculum too. My young daughter came home in grade 4 saying she feels terrible for being European (Here in Australia, Europeans killed the Aborigines) and she really took it to heart.
I was gobsmacked and heartbroken that our government would hurt the white kids (who don’t identify as Aboriginal and/or Torres Straight Islander) because of their woke ideology

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Concerned Dad

It is absolutely barbaric that children are made to feel guilty for events outside their control. By being told she is complicit in genocide she is being groomed to become psychologically deferential to those who mean her harm.

Narcissa Smith-Harris
Narcissa Smith-Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Concerned Dad

So on your logic, non-jewish German children shouldn’t be told about the Holocaust because they might feel badly about themselves? This line of thought is nonsensical.
What you are proposing is lying to children. And demanding that Aboriginal families keep the facts of their lives, their family lives on the down low like a shameful secret. Don’t you think that would hurt aboriginal children?
And since we all believe that all children matter, the government has made the choice to tell the truth. It’s what we tell our children to do. So we should do it too.
As an American mom of two (20/17) I can say that this kind of truth does not hurt them. The ability to feel sad for other people is a good thing and will serve your children well.Just direct it to how she treats people now.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Concerned Dad

It is absolutely barbaric that children are made to feel guilty for events outside their control. By being told she is complicit in genocide she is being groomed to become psychologically deferential to those who mean her harm.

Narcissa Smith-Harris
Narcissa Smith-Harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Concerned Dad

So on your logic, non-jewish German children shouldn’t be told about the Holocaust because they might feel badly about themselves? This line of thought is nonsensical.
What you are proposing is lying to children. And demanding that Aboriginal families keep the facts of their lives, their family lives on the down low like a shameful secret. Don’t you think that would hurt aboriginal children?
And since we all believe that all children matter, the government has made the choice to tell the truth. It’s what we tell our children to do. So we should do it too.
As an American mom of two (20/17) I can say that this kind of truth does not hurt them. The ability to feel sad for other people is a good thing and will serve your children well.Just direct it to how she treats people now.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

By and large those ‘elite-academies’ are being increasingly financed by organizations who’s agenda is not that of the public interest.
At least, not in the interests of the country where the institution resides.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

Some cultures are warlike, aggressive and expansionary and obsessively conformist others are peaceable and tolerant of difference. They can also change over time.
It is difficult to study other societies without making judgements based on one’s own culture

Concerned Dad
Concerned Dad
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

It is in our school curriculum too. My young daughter came home in grade 4 saying she feels terrible for being European (Here in Australia, Europeans killed the Aborigines) and she really took it to heart.
I was gobsmacked and heartbroken that our government would hurt the white kids (who don’t identify as Aboriginal and/or Torres Straight Islander) because of their woke ideology

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

By and large those ‘elite-academies’ are being increasingly financed by organizations who’s agenda is not that of the public interest.
At least, not in the interests of the country where the institution resides.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago

I think this is driven by anti-colonialism. How can one morally condemn British and other European explorers and colonizers for what happened to the indigenous people they encountered and in cases overwhelmed, if one concedes that said indigenes had done similar to someone else, and often not that long ago and in a chain of successions going back as far as we can see?

Ideology makes you stupid.

See Napoleon Chagnon’s “Noble Savages” for how similar ideology destroyed the field of anthropology.

The social sciences, humanities including History and all forms of art and criticism and fields like Education and Journalism having been crushed, Pomo Wokeism is destroying the Law and Medicine as we speak, and turning its guns on Engineering and the hard sciences. Even Physics is not immune.

Unless something changes in 10 years there will be nothing of value left in the elite academy and all fields it reaches, except for samizdat on its fringes.

Phil Mitchell
Phil Mitchell
1 year ago

This is not new in academia. William Rosen, in The Most Powerful Idea in the World, presents Thomas Newcomen, the inventor of the first steam engine and in Rosen’s view, it is the first invention of the Industrial Revolution. Newcomen is hard to find info on because, as a Baptist, he was not in census figures and was not allowed to go to college–that was only for Anglicans in good standing. So per Rosen, “Bad for the universities, good for the nation.” You see, the universities in the 18th century were hostile to technological innovation, so Newcomen was homeschooled, funded by his church, and free from the oppression of academia. So he changed the world. I agree with the other commentators–the cutting edge discoveries will come from these outcasts, not the accepted researchers dithering around in their cultic milieu.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Mitchell

Some areas of science have always been politically controversial, just think of Darwin and the ructions which continued right up to the Scopes trial and until the present day.
With the recent resurgence of political ethno nationalism in many countries any scientific study dealing with a culture or ethnic group over time, (especially if it involves a particular territory), however objective and well meaning, is likely to be weaponised by one party or another.
Just look at the so called ” historical justification’ Putin uses for invading Ukraine

Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Mitchell

Actually, the first functioning steam engine was patented by Thomas Savery on 2nd July 1698. And Newcomen sold his first steam engines under Savery’s patent.
But I take your point – now that academic freedom has been destroyed by a tyrannical ideology built on lies masquerading as something “progressive”, innovation has to come from people outside the academic world.

Greta Hirschman
Greta Hirschman
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Mitchell

Exactly. The most famous scientists and philosophers of the Golden Era of the Muslim world were banned, persecuted and forbidden. See ‘The Crisis of Islamic Civilization’ by Ali A. Allawi, published in 2010.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Mitchell

Some areas of science have always been politically controversial, just think of Darwin and the ructions which continued right up to the Scopes trial and until the present day.
With the recent resurgence of political ethno nationalism in many countries any scientific study dealing with a culture or ethnic group over time, (especially if it involves a particular territory), however objective and well meaning, is likely to be weaponised by one party or another.
Just look at the so called ” historical justification’ Putin uses for invading Ukraine

Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Mitchell

Actually, the first functioning steam engine was patented by Thomas Savery on 2nd July 1698. And Newcomen sold his first steam engines under Savery’s patent.
But I take your point – now that academic freedom has been destroyed by a tyrannical ideology built on lies masquerading as something “progressive”, innovation has to come from people outside the academic world.

Greta Hirschman
Greta Hirschman
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Mitchell

Exactly. The most famous scientists and philosophers of the Golden Era of the Muslim world were banned, persecuted and forbidden. See ‘The Crisis of Islamic Civilization’ by Ali A. Allawi, published in 2010.

Phil Mitchell
Phil Mitchell
1 year ago

This is not new in academia. William Rosen, in The Most Powerful Idea in the World, presents Thomas Newcomen, the inventor of the first steam engine and in Rosen’s view, it is the first invention of the Industrial Revolution. Newcomen is hard to find info on because, as a Baptist, he was not in census figures and was not allowed to go to college–that was only for Anglicans in good standing. So per Rosen, “Bad for the universities, good for the nation.” You see, the universities in the 18th century were hostile to technological innovation, so Newcomen was homeschooled, funded by his church, and free from the oppression of academia. So he changed the world. I agree with the other commentators–the cutting edge discoveries will come from these outcasts, not the accepted researchers dithering around in their cultic milieu.

Phil Gurski
Phil Gurski
1 year ago

Great piece and something I have been worrying about for some time. The same thing is happening in terrorism studies as many ignore the dominance of Islamist terrorism (even the word ‘Islamist’ is banned for being ‘Islamophobic’) worldwide. Wokies and cancel culturites claim it is all about white supremacists and neo-Nazis (even ‘violent incels’!) despite the overwhelming statistical count that shows jihadis still commit 99% of all terrorist attacks. Thanks for posting this!

Karma
Karma
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Gurski

Here’s hoping who the jihadis target next. A wokeafied Middle East would be hell on earth for the jihadis. Dubai and Neom in Saudi seem like the perfect entry point for wokeism to enter into the Middle East and start to infect the minds of the young

Karma
Karma
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil Gurski

Here’s hoping who the jihadis target next. A wokeafied Middle East would be hell on earth for the jihadis. Dubai and Neom in Saudi seem like the perfect entry point for wokeism to enter into the Middle East and start to infect the minds of the young

Phil Gurski
Phil Gurski
1 year ago

Great piece and something I have been worrying about for some time. The same thing is happening in terrorism studies as many ignore the dominance of Islamist terrorism (even the word ‘Islamist’ is banned for being ‘Islamophobic’) worldwide. Wokies and cancel culturites claim it is all about white supremacists and neo-Nazis (even ‘violent incels’!) despite the overwhelming statistical count that shows jihadis still commit 99% of all terrorist attacks. Thanks for posting this!

Ruud van Man
Ruud van Man
1 year ago

Although my career has been entirely based in the private sector, I have had a lot to do with academia over the years. I’m sorry to say that large swathes of academia seem to have been overwhelmed by left-wing activism and the change over the last decade or so has been very noticeable. It is redolent of the political oversight of education in the old Soviet block. The worst effects are seen mainly in the arts and humanities and I sincerely believe that the best way to get back to an acceptable level of objectivity is to defund large swathes of the academy and in some cases, entire institutions. Too many schools have become little more than left-wing correctional institutions.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Ruud van Man

I have a friend recently retired from university administration . He says that it is all about money now. The pursuit of it and the salaries it generates. Hence the foreign student grabfest.
Just another business now with the usual rubbish about ‘stakeholders’.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Ruud van Man

I have a friend recently retired from university administration . He says that it is all about money now. The pursuit of it and the salaries it generates. Hence the foreign student grabfest.
Just another business now with the usual rubbish about ‘stakeholders’.

Ruud van Man
Ruud van Man
1 year ago

Although my career has been entirely based in the private sector, I have had a lot to do with academia over the years. I’m sorry to say that large swathes of academia seem to have been overwhelmed by left-wing activism and the change over the last decade or so has been very noticeable. It is redolent of the political oversight of education in the old Soviet block. The worst effects are seen mainly in the arts and humanities and I sincerely believe that the best way to get back to an acceptable level of objectivity is to defund large swathes of the academy and in some cases, entire institutions. Too many schools have become little more than left-wing correctional institutions.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Sounds good to me. It is nice to have free speech anonymously which is not tolerated in universities etc. unless you toe the line with regard to gay marriage, transgender, climate change, vaccines and whatever. This is happening in America with doctors who are gathering together regarding vaccine damage which is not accepted by the establishment and big pharma who control the doctors to a large extent. It happens in churches where they will believe and discuss things not accepted in the world. Having to toe the line regardless of conscience is the cause of most of the tensions and wars in the world.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Of course, it is great to have free speech – we almost have it here on UnHerd but most use pseudonyms, which is not free speech.
But, you can have too much free speech, in that every single group has to prepare a speech or a point of view. This is like having PR in an election – a large amount of talking takes place thereby bringing things to a standstill.
After the fact, you say, doctors are discussing vaccine damage. Fine, wonderful. But if you have these discussions before vaccination, then preventative medicine will never happen. In 1911, in the USA, people were arguing in this way about vaccinations against typhoid. Those states which just got on with it reduce typhoid to virtually zero. The arguing states were still having thousands of monthly deaths.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Of course, it is great to have free speech – we almost have it here on UnHerd but most use pseudonyms, which is not free speech.
But, you can have too much free speech, in that every single group has to prepare a speech or a point of view. This is like having PR in an election – a large amount of talking takes place thereby bringing things to a standstill.
After the fact, you say, doctors are discussing vaccine damage. Fine, wonderful. But if you have these discussions before vaccination, then preventative medicine will never happen. In 1911, in the USA, people were arguing in this way about vaccinations against typhoid. Those states which just got on with it reduce typhoid to virtually zero. The arguing states were still having thousands of monthly deaths.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
1 year ago

Sounds good to me. It is nice to have free speech anonymously which is not tolerated in universities etc. unless you toe the line with regard to gay marriage, transgender, climate change, vaccines and whatever. This is happening in America with doctors who are gathering together regarding vaccine damage which is not accepted by the establishment and big pharma who control the doctors to a large extent. It happens in churches where they will believe and discuss things not accepted in the world. Having to toe the line regardless of conscience is the cause of most of the tensions and wars in the world.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago

A bit off-topic, but I seem to remember one of the first great triumphs of DNA research in Archeology was establishing that around half the people who lived around Cheddar Gorge were decedents of the Cheddar man.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago

A bit off-topic, but I seem to remember one of the first great triumphs of DNA research in Archeology was establishing that around half the people who lived around Cheddar Gorge were decedents of the Cheddar man.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

I can understand what the author is trying to say – he is implying that ‘real research’ is being clouded by politics and modern opinion.

But if you read any books on archeology, say Alice Roberts on the Celts, the text is full of ‘mays’ and ‘could haves’ and ‘might have beens’. The archeologist has to provide an interpretation which has to be influenced by today’s thinking. Orwell saw this but is it really as important as the article above is suggesting?

If you read an archeology book of the late 1800s, you will find everything explained from a present day (then) English or German perspective. It was clearly biased by thinking of the time.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Understand what you’re saying and agree to a fair extent, which is why i remain essentially optimistic despite the current outlook. I’m convinced it will pass, as must all things. George Harrison was right.

It remains incumbent on those who can see through this nonsense to keep ploughing away; to maintain the fertile soil, as it were.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

When I hear “this will pass,” I think of Soviet communism. Yes, it passed but it took 70 years. And the ideology behind it has revived.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Arehart

Soon China will be gone and with it the last vestige of this pestilence that has so plagued the world for over a century.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Arehart

Soon China will be gone and with it the last vestige of this pestilence that has so plagued the world for over a century.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

When I hear “this will pass,” I think of Soviet communism. Yes, it passed but it took 70 years. And the ideology behind it has revived.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

When the late Sir Mortimer Wheeler was once asked whether Archaeology was a Science* based subject or an Arts based subject, he replied “neither, it is a VENDETTA!”

(* The word STEM didn’t exist then!)

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D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Prof. Roberts is achingly woke. She tells us that Saxon chiefs had swords as status symbols, like sports cars. She thinks there weren’t battles between the Saxons and the Celts because we can’t find battlefield graves with the appropriate archaeo-osteology in them.
In 937 Athelstan defeated the Dublin Norse, the Scots and the Strathclyde Britons at Brunanburh. He became the first king of all England.
The huge scale of the casualties is attested in the AS Chronicle, the Annals of Ulster, Annales Cambriae and the Estoire des Engleis,
Since we don’t know where the bones are I suppose it never happened.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Roberts is NOT an archaeologist or historian, and her ‘woke’ waffling only demeans her.

She should return to her profession asap, and thus save both herself and us from further embarrassment.

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Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

A bad example then. I stand corrected.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

One might add that despite all that, she’s exceptionally telephotogenic!
Edit: which just might be why she got the gig…

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

Interesting.
I looked her up on wiki and it mentions “She spent seven years working part-time on her PhD in paleopathology, the study of disease in ancient human remains, receiving the degree in 2008. From August 2009 until January 2012, Roberts was a visiting fellow in both the Department of Archaeology and Anthropology and the Department of Anatomy of the University of Bristol…”.
Does paleopathology place her into the discipline of archeology?

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago

Yes for me.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

Yes. Paleopathology is a branch of archaeology.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago

Not sure if Alice Roberts is much of an archeologist. She is a very good looking and tele-presentable medical doctor who has made a career from fronting television shows about scientific topics

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago

Yes for me.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

Yes. Paleopathology is a branch of archaeology.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago

Not sure if Alice Roberts is much of an archeologist. She is a very good looking and tele-presentable medical doctor who has made a career from fronting television shows about scientific topics

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I disagree, like her or not, her discipline is a branch of archaeology.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Well as we are ‘splitting hairs’ I would say that Paleopathology is really a branch of ANTHROPOLOGY.

However I do agree with Steve Murray that:”she’s exceptionally telephotogenic!” and thus ideal TV Totty.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Well as we are ‘splitting hairs’ I would say that Paleopathology is really a branch of ANTHROPOLOGY.

However I do agree with Steve Murray that:”she’s exceptionally telephotogenic!” and thus ideal TV Totty.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

A bad example then. I stand corrected.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

One might add that despite all that, she’s exceptionally telephotogenic!
Edit: which just might be why she got the gig…

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

Interesting.
I looked her up on wiki and it mentions “She spent seven years working part-time on her PhD in paleopathology, the study of disease in ancient human remains, receiving the degree in 2008. From August 2009 until January 2012, Roberts was a visiting fellow in both the Department of Archaeology and Anthropology and the Department of Anatomy of the University of Bristol…”.
Does paleopathology place her into the discipline of archeology?

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

I disagree, like her or not, her discipline is a branch of archaeology.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Brunanburh, probably thej most important battle in English history; “the field of slaughter” as the ASC referes to the battle. The poem is well worth the read

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Perhaps like the Teutoberg Forest- Kalkriese, we shall find its site one day.

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Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

There are so many different theories; the Wirral is the present one. put forward by historians who live in that area. I’m more inclined to think it was in the north(ish) east, but, as you say, it would be great to know where such an important battle took place.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Something like HS2 will probably unearth it!

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

Well that would make HS2 worthwhile, then.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

Well that would make HS2 worthwhile, then.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Something like HS2 will probably unearth it!

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago

There are so many different theories; the Wirral is the present one. put forward by historians who live in that area. I’m more inclined to think it was in the north(ish) east, but, as you say, it would be great to know where such an important battle took place.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Perhaps like the Teutoberg Forest- Kalkriese, we shall find its site one day.

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CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Roberts is NOT an archaeologist or historian, and her ‘woke’ waffling only demeans her.

She should return to her profession asap, and thus save both herself and us from further embarrassment.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Brunanburh, probably thej most important battle in English history; “the field of slaughter” as the ASC referes to the battle. The poem is well worth the read

Felice Camino
Felice Camino
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

I’ve recently read Alice Roberts book Ancestors, and I found the last two chapters hilarious as she tied herself up in knots trying to square the circle between the scientific facts of the burials (DNA etc) with what she was ‘supposed’ to be saying, ie the narrative referred to above. It was totally unconvincing.
One chapter involved the Beaker people replacement, and she went, within the space of 2 paragraphs, from denying population replacement, to talking about population turnover. Total cop-out.
The last chapter was about the burial of a woman of high rank. Lots of guff about seeing gender through the modern lens, ie fluid gender roles. Total load of insulting guff.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

You are absolutely correct in pointing out that interpretations of evidence are always influenced by the current cultural climate; this is not necessarily problematical, however, a researcher or reader has to be aware of this. But, more importantly, there can be more than one trend within the current culture, and it is academically dishonest to silence a different strand of interpretation. In the cases cited by the writer above, there are incidences of academics wilfully ignoring scientific evidence, even, in one case given, denying the whole scientific enterprise: Susanne Hakenbeck states that something she disagreed with was given apparent legitimacy by the scientific method. There were many things that were done in the past, which were not “nice” and I would not want to see done again, however, history “is what it is” and wishing that it were different doesn’t make it so. If we want to know where we came from and how we got here we need to know the truth as far as it can be ascertained – warts and all; the more different interpretations that we get the nearer to the truth we may get.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago

Neil Oliver has a good line;
‘You can only add to history, you can’t subtract from it’

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Neil Oliver, in fact, has a lot of good lines if you can forget his hair.

Melanie Grieveson
Melanie Grieveson
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

He’s got great hair! And a lot of great lines.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

And he is NO Scotch Nat’, or SNP supporter (despite appearances).

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

And he is NO Scotch Nat’, or SNP supporter (despite appearances).

Melanie Grieveson
Melanie Grieveson
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

He’s got great hair! And a lot of great lines.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Neil Oliver, in fact, has a lot of good lines if you can forget his hair.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago

Neil Oliver has a good line;
‘You can only add to history, you can’t subtract from it’

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Understand what you’re saying and agree to a fair extent, which is why i remain essentially optimistic despite the current outlook. I’m convinced it will pass, as must all things. George Harrison was right.

It remains incumbent on those who can see through this nonsense to keep ploughing away; to maintain the fertile soil, as it were.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

When the late Sir Mortimer Wheeler was once asked whether Archaeology was a Science* based subject or an Arts based subject, he replied “neither, it is a VENDETTA!”

(* The word STEM didn’t exist then!)

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D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

Prof. Roberts is achingly woke. She tells us that Saxon chiefs had swords as status symbols, like sports cars. She thinks there weren’t battles between the Saxons and the Celts because we can’t find battlefield graves with the appropriate archaeo-osteology in them.
In 937 Athelstan defeated the Dublin Norse, the Scots and the Strathclyde Britons at Brunanburh. He became the first king of all England.
The huge scale of the casualties is attested in the AS Chronicle, the Annals of Ulster, Annales Cambriae and the Estoire des Engleis,
Since we don’t know where the bones are I suppose it never happened.

Felice Camino
Felice Camino
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

I’ve recently read Alice Roberts book Ancestors, and I found the last two chapters hilarious as she tied herself up in knots trying to square the circle between the scientific facts of the burials (DNA etc) with what she was ‘supposed’ to be saying, ie the narrative referred to above. It was totally unconvincing.
One chapter involved the Beaker people replacement, and she went, within the space of 2 paragraphs, from denying population replacement, to talking about population turnover. Total cop-out.
The last chapter was about the burial of a woman of high rank. Lots of guff about seeing gender through the modern lens, ie fluid gender roles. Total load of insulting guff.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris W

You are absolutely correct in pointing out that interpretations of evidence are always influenced by the current cultural climate; this is not necessarily problematical, however, a researcher or reader has to be aware of this. But, more importantly, there can be more than one trend within the current culture, and it is academically dishonest to silence a different strand of interpretation. In the cases cited by the writer above, there are incidences of academics wilfully ignoring scientific evidence, even, in one case given, denying the whole scientific enterprise: Susanne Hakenbeck states that something she disagreed with was given apparent legitimacy by the scientific method. There were many things that were done in the past, which were not “nice” and I would not want to see done again, however, history “is what it is” and wishing that it were different doesn’t make it so. If we want to know where we came from and how we got here we need to know the truth as far as it can be ascertained – warts and all; the more different interpretations that we get the nearer to the truth we may get.

Chris W
Chris W
1 year ago

I can understand what the author is trying to say – he is implying that ‘real research’ is being clouded by politics and modern opinion.

But if you read any books on archeology, say Alice Roberts on the Celts, the text is full of ‘mays’ and ‘could haves’ and ‘might have beens’. The archeologist has to provide an interpretation which has to be influenced by today’s thinking. Orwell saw this but is it really as important as the article above is suggesting?

If you read an archeology book of the late 1800s, you will find everything explained from a present day (then) English or German perspective. It was clearly biased by thinking of the time.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago

Liberal progressive worldview.
It reminds me of the Spanish Inquisition.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Not the Spanish Inquisition!!!

Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

And nooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

How about just “the Inquisition.” You are insulting the Spanish!

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Not the Spanish Inquisition!!!

Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

And nooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

How about just “the Inquisition.” You are insulting the Spanish!

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago

Liberal progressive worldview.
It reminds me of the Spanish Inquisition.

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

Science is no longer science in the social sciences and it seems to be creeping into the physical sciences as well. I’m surprised that they haven’t yet condemned calling attributes of particles by words such as charm and beauty sexist. But sadly, I’m sure they will. I mean feminist glaciology? How can that even be real?

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

Science is no longer science in the social sciences and it seems to be creeping into the physical sciences as well. I’m surprised that they haven’t yet condemned calling attributes of particles by words such as charm and beauty sexist. But sadly, I’m sure they will. I mean feminist glaciology? How can that even be real?

John Riordan
John Riordan
1 year ago

While this is encouraging, it is also tragic. And it begs an important question: we are all paying for universities as institutions through our taxes, but if the only useful work is done outside them, why should we keep funding them?

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John Riordan
John Riordan
1 year ago

While this is encouraging, it is also tragic. And it begs an important question: we are all paying for universities as institutions through our taxes, but if the only useful work is done outside them, why should we keep funding them?

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Selina Brace
Selina Brace
1 year ago

Dear Stone Age Herbalist, I was reading your article with great interest until I got to the paragraph where you write “The infamous Cheddar Man fiasco, where a Mesolithic hunter-gatherer was identified by geneticists as having black skin, a claim quietly retracted afterwards..”
As one of the authors of the scientific paper (Brace et al. Nature Ecology and Evolution 2019) where we infer from the genetic data that Cheddar man had dark or dark to black skin pigmentation. I can categorically tell you that we have not retracted our paper or our views on this matter.
We have complained to persons at the New Scientist about their article that was by the way behind a paywall, the title purposely mis-leading and I’d suggest click bait. The only direct quote from a co-author that could be even vaguely perceived as a retraction is the use of the word ‘probable’ in this quote: “it is his most probable profile, based on the current research”. This entire fallacy around Cheddar Man being debunked is based soley on this one New Scientist erroneous article and the word ‘probable’. The person who was quoted in the article continued to be a co-author on our aforementioend 2019 paper where we continue to infer that Cheddar man had dark or dark to black skin pigmentation.

Selina Brace
Selina Brace
1 year ago

Dear Stone Age Herbalist, I was reading your article with great interest until I got to the paragraph where you write “The infamous Cheddar Man fiasco, where a Mesolithic hunter-gatherer was identified by geneticists as having black skin, a claim quietly retracted afterwards..”
As one of the authors of the scientific paper (Brace et al. Nature Ecology and Evolution 2019) where we infer from the genetic data that Cheddar man had dark or dark to black skin pigmentation. I can categorically tell you that we have not retracted our paper or our views on this matter.
We have complained to persons at the New Scientist about their article that was by the way behind a paywall, the title purposely mis-leading and I’d suggest click bait. The only direct quote from a co-author that could be even vaguely perceived as a retraction is the use of the word ‘probable’ in this quote: “it is his most probable profile, based on the current research”. This entire fallacy around Cheddar Man being debunked is based soley on this one New Scientist erroneous article and the word ‘probable’. The person who was quoted in the article continued to be a co-author on our aforementioend 2019 paper where we continue to infer that Cheddar man had dark or dark to black skin pigmentation.

Paul Ashley
Paul Ashley
1 year ago

The truth? You want the truth? The Left can’t handle the truth!

Paul Ashley
Paul Ashley
1 year ago

The truth? You want the truth? The Left can’t handle the truth!

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

Hey Stone Age Herbalist
Could you organise your fellow ‘herbalists’ to start an online Unwoke university? I’m sure there are plenty of philanthropists who would happily provide the seed capital.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

Hey Stone Age Herbalist
Could you organise your fellow ‘herbalists’ to start an online Unwoke university? I’m sure there are plenty of philanthropists who would happily provide the seed capital.

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago

Doubtless most of this censorious approach to archaeology and history is based on doctrinaire left-wing preoccupations, as the article author implies.

But academics also have a compulsion and necessity to “say something new”, unless publishing an acknowledged survey of existing results or a bibliography etc. This is both for ethical reasons (no plagiarism) and for kudos and career justification and advancement (gaining more citations in other papers). So that may account for some of the changing fashion: “Constant invasions and conflict over the ages are old hat. So find a new angle.”

It would be hard, for example, to find a publisher for a history book that simply rehashed existing well-known facts and interpretations, without any new twists, and how many people would buy it? If I were writing a book on Richard II, for example, I would feel obliged to argue that far from having the Princes in the Tower murdered, he was totally innocent of the crime and was distraught on being told they had both tragically accidently suffocated in their over-stuffed pillows! 🙂

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John Ramsden
John Ramsden
1 year ago

Doubtless most of this censorious approach to archaeology and history is based on doctrinaire left-wing preoccupations, as the article author implies.

But academics also have a compulsion and necessity to “say something new”, unless publishing an acknowledged survey of existing results or a bibliography etc. This is both for ethical reasons (no plagiarism) and for kudos and career justification and advancement (gaining more citations in other papers). So that may account for some of the changing fashion: “Constant invasions and conflict over the ages are old hat. So find a new angle.”

It would be hard, for example, to find a publisher for a history book that simply rehashed existing well-known facts and interpretations, without any new twists, and how many people would buy it? If I were writing a book on Richard II, for example, I would feel obliged to argue that far from having the Princes in the Tower murdered, he was totally innocent of the crime and was distraught on being told they had both tragically accidently suffocated in their over-stuffed pillows! 🙂

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Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago

This is why when I think about going back to finish my Ph.D. that I quit 20 years ago I keep deciding against it. I would really love to have a career in linguistics and Philology, but I know I would not be able to put up with all of the woke politics that would place barriers in my way at every turn.

Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
1 year ago

This is why when I think about going back to finish my Ph.D. that I quit 20 years ago I keep deciding against it. I would really love to have a career in linguistics and Philology, but I know I would not be able to put up with all of the woke politics that would place barriers in my way at every turn.

Roger Tilbury
Roger Tilbury
1 year ago

Atlas Shrugged is turning out to be a documentary.

Roger Tilbury
Roger Tilbury
1 year ago

Atlas Shrugged is turning out to be a documentary.

Narcissa Smith-Harris
Narcissa Smith-Harris
1 year ago

So I find this article and the subsequent comments very confusing here. I’ll take one that young men went out and conquered so an entire population has been “replaced” is something that is scientifically proved but not accepted because of progressivism.But, it leaves me with a lot of questions. Because the past is quite different from now young men can’t have children on their own. They need young and up to late middle aged women to do so. They could certainly go conquer, kill the men and rape all the child-bearing females—but that would change the population only so far as the Y chromosome. It doesn’t change the female line at all. Hence, scientifically, it is not accurate to say the population has changed. It is accurate to say the Y chromosome has changed which is completely different. Treating half the population as if they are a tabula rasa that doesn’t matter and don’t count isn’t scientific. It isn’t logically. It most certainly isn’t common sense. Plus the young men that conquer and rape aren’t the ones who carry pottery secrets or any kind of complex making insights.
It is entirely possible an entire civilization moved into a new area. But then that would not be about “young males males going conquering”, they might have no more choice about going than our young, male soldiers do today.
And looking down at comments hoo boy do I see some very clueless comments which understand neither genetics nor archeology nor much of anything. Really, people, when. you compare the West to “Africa” just stop, please, stop. You can’t connect levant civilizations and later mediterranean civilizations to the West(and mean people genetically related to Britains and Germans) while suggesting that the civilizations of the Nile have nothing to do with Bantu and Nilotic people. You particularly can’t do it for Nilotic peoples (hint, the reason is in the name).
I appreciate the frustration of folks in archeological circles to have conversations that won’t be picked up by people misinterpreting them. But when this very article has already decided its world view in its interpretation (and then assumes that’s “common sense”), well it argues against itself immediately.

Narcissa Smith-Harris
Narcissa Smith-Harris
1 year ago

So I find this article and the subsequent comments very confusing here. I’ll take one that young men went out and conquered so an entire population has been “replaced” is something that is scientifically proved but not accepted because of progressivism.But, it leaves me with a lot of questions. Because the past is quite different from now young men can’t have children on their own. They need young and up to late middle aged women to do so. They could certainly go conquer, kill the men and rape all the child-bearing females—but that would change the population only so far as the Y chromosome. It doesn’t change the female line at all. Hence, scientifically, it is not accurate to say the population has changed. It is accurate to say the Y chromosome has changed which is completely different. Treating half the population as if they are a tabula rasa that doesn’t matter and don’t count isn’t scientific. It isn’t logically. It most certainly isn’t common sense. Plus the young men that conquer and rape aren’t the ones who carry pottery secrets or any kind of complex making insights.
It is entirely possible an entire civilization moved into a new area. But then that would not be about “young males males going conquering”, they might have no more choice about going than our young, male soldiers do today.
And looking down at comments hoo boy do I see some very clueless comments which understand neither genetics nor archeology nor much of anything. Really, people, when. you compare the West to “Africa” just stop, please, stop. You can’t connect levant civilizations and later mediterranean civilizations to the West(and mean people genetically related to Britains and Germans) while suggesting that the civilizations of the Nile have nothing to do with Bantu and Nilotic people. You particularly can’t do it for Nilotic peoples (hint, the reason is in the name).
I appreciate the frustration of folks in archeological circles to have conversations that won’t be picked up by people misinterpreting them. But when this very article has already decided its world view in its interpretation (and then assumes that’s “common sense”), well it argues against itself immediately.

Elizabeth Merel
Elizabeth Merel
1 year ago

Btw, just got an email from unherd.com telling me to add my real name. We’re discussing here the need of a underground academia and the importance of anonymity. I added a name that I accept being called by. But call us “The Pastel”.

Elizabeth Merel
Elizabeth Merel
1 year ago

Btw, just got an email from unherd.com telling me to add my real name. We’re discussing here the need of a underground academia and the importance of anonymity. I added a name that I accept being called by. But call us “The Pastel”.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

” … no people that is aboriginal in terms of their contemporary culture with a specific piece of real estate.” This claim by Philip Kohl is a call for invasions and expropriations and a justification for the exploitation of Third World resources by multinational companies.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

” … no people that is aboriginal in terms of their contemporary culture with a specific piece of real estate.” This claim by Philip Kohl is a call for invasions and expropriations and a justification for the exploitation of Third World resources by multinational companies.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago

The author mentions Black Lives Matter (BLM). I agree with his reference, but I would like to carry it farther. My comment is not a criticism of his reference, but is meant to supplement his article.
BLM’s main thrust was distorted by the dispute over what it meant. Anti-Black racists insisted it meant “Only Black Lives Matter,” when it actually meant “Black Lives Matter Also.” Because BLM had no centralized hierarchy, different co-founders and spokespersons had opposite positions. The thurst of BLM was that US institutions were predatory to everyone without regard to race, creed, color, etc. and predation, not racism, was the social evil to be rectified. This approach was in line with the Declaration of Independence, Abe Lincoln’s Liberty of all and Martin Luther King as well as Justice Kennedy’s decision about Gay Rights in Lawrence v Texas (2003), i.e. Gay Rights are based solely on the inlienable right of individual liberty and have nothing to do with Equality/equity.
It was clear that this aspect of BLM was completely unacceptable to Pelosi and her Identity Politics and Wokeism, where everything is based on group rights and how the minorities must always do life and death battle with Whites. In Los Angeles, this divisive and dangerous Woker agenda has been used against Mexicans in a vicious attempt to drive three Mexican councilmembers from office based on the garantuan life that they are racist. For the wokers, it boils down to the Mexicans are racist because their skin hue is light than Black’s skin hue, hence the Mexicans are anti-Black racists.
The danger which the author sees for archaeology threatens civil society itself. The Los Angeles wokers such as BLM co-founder Melanie Abdullah staged a Jan 6th style attack on LA City Hall to use violence to force Mexican councilmembers to resign. The LAPD protected City Hall and Kevin de Leon and Gil Cedillo withstood the violence and did not resign, nor should they. Suppose Mike Pence had thrown out the Biden Votes as the Trumpers demanded.

Greta Hirschman
Greta Hirschman
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

BLM is perhaps one of most recent expressions of a wrongly denominated ‘progressive’ dogma. Check ‘The Anatomy of Sex and Power: An Investigation of Mind-Body Politics’, published in 1990. The author was surprised when he heard a group of wrongly-called progressive forbidding studies focused on the differences between men and women.

Greta Hirschman
Greta Hirschman
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Abrams

BLM is perhaps one of most recent expressions of a wrongly denominated ‘progressive’ dogma. Check ‘The Anatomy of Sex and Power: An Investigation of Mind-Body Politics’, published in 1990. The author was surprised when he heard a group of wrongly-called progressive forbidding studies focused on the differences between men and women.

Rick Abrams
Rick Abrams
1 year ago

The author mentions Black Lives Matter (BLM). I agree with his reference, but I would like to carry it farther. My comment is not a criticism of his reference, but is meant to supplement his article.
BLM’s main thrust was distorted by the dispute over what it meant. Anti-Black racists insisted it meant “Only Black Lives Matter,” when it actually meant “Black Lives Matter Also.” Because BLM had no centralized hierarchy, different co-founders and spokespersons had opposite positions. The thurst of BLM was that US institutions were predatory to everyone without regard to race, creed, color, etc. and predation, not racism, was the social evil to be rectified. This approach was in line with the Declaration of Independence, Abe Lincoln’s Liberty of all and Martin Luther King as well as Justice Kennedy’s decision about Gay Rights in Lawrence v Texas (2003), i.e. Gay Rights are based solely on the inlienable right of individual liberty and have nothing to do with Equality/equity.
It was clear that this aspect of BLM was completely unacceptable to Pelosi and her Identity Politics and Wokeism, where everything is based on group rights and how the minorities must always do life and death battle with Whites. In Los Angeles, this divisive and dangerous Woker agenda has been used against Mexicans in a vicious attempt to drive three Mexican councilmembers from office based on the garantuan life that they are racist. For the wokers, it boils down to the Mexicans are racist because their skin hue is light than Black’s skin hue, hence the Mexicans are anti-Black racists.
The danger which the author sees for archaeology threatens civil society itself. The Los Angeles wokers such as BLM co-founder Melanie Abdullah staged a Jan 6th style attack on LA City Hall to use violence to force Mexican councilmembers to resign. The LAPD protected City Hall and Kevin de Leon and Gil Cedillo withstood the violence and did not resign, nor should they. Suppose Mike Pence had thrown out the Biden Votes as the Trumpers demanded.

We need a Underground University
We need a Underground University
1 year ago

I started a Business Research Masters in Queensland. My topic was “The Mittelstand” in an attempt to bring more long term planning, career pathways, better hiring pathways from universities etc.
It was stymied at every turn. All kinds of crazy ideas were thrown at me to include until it became a total mess. By the time I got to confirmation, it was extremely late and the uni said that I was running out of units. Then I was torn to shreds by a viscous Professor who radiated disgust. Her comments on my application were “?” Or “???” And I was told to give a very humble and sucking up response. When I did she refuted everything.
For my own sanity, I had to give it away

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago

Of these viscous professors. They are the worst kind.

TERRY JESSOP
TERRY JESSOP
1 year ago

Of these viscous professors. They are the worst kind.

We need a Underground University
We need a Underground University
1 year ago

I started a Business Research Masters in Queensland. My topic was “The Mittelstand” in an attempt to bring more long term planning, career pathways, better hiring pathways from universities etc.
It was stymied at every turn. All kinds of crazy ideas were thrown at me to include until it became a total mess. By the time I got to confirmation, it was extremely late and the uni said that I was running out of units. Then I was torn to shreds by a viscous Professor who radiated disgust. Her comments on my application were “?” Or “???” And I was told to give a very humble and sucking up response. When I did she refuted everything.
For my own sanity, I had to give it away

Seth Edenbaum
Seth Edenbaum
1 year ago

I have to add that complaining about ancient homosexuality is amusing.
But in general, I think maybe you need to read more before you write.
Wolf Liebeschuetz, East and West in Late Antiquity-Invasion, Settlement, Ethnogenesis and Conflicts of Religion
p. xxii
Looking back, I find that most of my work has been instigated by external influences, those of my father, of my teachers, of books I happened to read, of lectures I was invited to give at specialised conferences. My interpretations have always been greatly influenced by political happenings at the time. As an old man—and as a younger man, too—my views have been conservative. …I also learned a great deal from the next genera- tion of young scholars, who directed scholarly attention to new areas. But I reacted against the minimising of the impact of the Germanic tribes, the black-listing of “decline,” and the rejection of “crisis.” 
p. 23 Why the concept of ‘crisis’ should be considered ‘judgemental’ and there- fore ‘politically incorrect’, is not at all obvious. After all the resolution of a medical crisis, or indeed any other crisis, need not result in the patient’s condi- tion becoming worse. The crisis might be resolved with the affected subject being destroyed, or weakened, but also with its being restored to its previous condition, or even becoming stronger. The metaphor captures the magnitude and climacteric character of the danger, not the ‘goodness’ or ‘badness’ of its resolution.19 But if many Roman historians today assume that to describe the condition of the Roman empire in the third century as undergoing a ‘crisis’ is equivalent to condemning the empire that emerged from the crisis as inferior, this is explicable from the historiography of the subject.
p 100
To demolish the view that the Dark Age tribes had an identity based on ethnic core-traditions, the authors of the Gillett volume devote a great deal of energy to disqualifying the scholarship of earlier generations as distorted by mainly nationalist ideology. Yet they show no awareness that their own positions are very strongly ideological, deriving from the rejection of nationalism and the acceptance of multiculturalism, that are conspicuous features of current western values, and which find practical expression, among other things, in the downgrading of national patriotism in the interest of the European ideal. My own ideology is that the possession of shared traditions of one kind or another is necessary for the functioning and survival of any human society.

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Seth Edenbaum
Seth Edenbaum
1 year ago

I have to add that complaining about ancient homosexuality is amusing.
But in general, I think maybe you need to read more before you write.
Wolf Liebeschuetz, East and West in Late Antiquity-Invasion, Settlement, Ethnogenesis and Conflicts of Religion
p. xxii
Looking back, I find that most of my work has been instigated by external influences, those of my father, of my teachers, of books I happened to read, of lectures I was invited to give at specialised conferences. My interpretations have always been greatly influenced by political happenings at the time. As an old man—and as a younger man, too—my views have been conservative. …I also learned a great deal from the next genera- tion of young scholars, who directed scholarly attention to new areas. But I reacted against the minimising of the impact of the Germanic tribes, the black-listing of “decline,” and the rejection of “crisis.” 
p. 23 Why the concept of ‘crisis’ should be considered ‘judgemental’ and there- fore ‘politically incorrect’, is not at all obvious. After all the resolution of a medical crisis, or indeed any other crisis, need not result in the patient’s condi- tion becoming worse. The crisis might be resolved with the affected subject being destroyed, or weakened, but also with its being restored to its previous condition, or even becoming stronger. The metaphor captures the magnitude and climacteric character of the danger, not the ‘goodness’ or ‘badness’ of its resolution.19 But if many Roman historians today assume that to describe the condition of the Roman empire in the third century as undergoing a ‘crisis’ is equivalent to condemning the empire that emerged from the crisis as inferior, this is explicable from the historiography of the subject.
p 100
To demolish the view that the Dark Age tribes had an identity based on ethnic core-traditions, the authors of the Gillett volume devote a great deal of energy to disqualifying the scholarship of earlier generations as distorted by mainly nationalist ideology. Yet they show no awareness that their own positions are very strongly ideological, deriving from the rejection of nationalism and the acceptance of multiculturalism, that are conspicuous features of current western values, and which find practical expression, among other things, in the downgrading of national patriotism in the interest of the European ideal. My own ideology is that the possession of shared traditions of one kind or another is necessary for the functioning and survival of any human society.

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The Pastel
The Pastel
1 year ago

One more university drop-out here. Research nowadays is much more about:
1 – getting credits
2 – producing PDF
3 – posting about “rule of law” and climate change on twitter and then travelling to touristic destinations for conferences, in acclimatized venues (and eventually paying to zero their carbon emissions on the flight company website).
Academia and Politics nowadays have merged. Academia is now in service of Electoral Politics.
There’s little of no newly-dimensional jobs to be done, but the Peoples of The Gay Science need to create justification for their jobs.
Doing “underground science” is relieving as it brings some hope, but at some point, it will also be opportunistically (ab)used for (electoral) political purposes.
We really need to unify the efforts, and create a meaningful new Episteme rejecting all non-apodictic and electoral-in-service “Science”.

The Pastel
The Pastel
1 year ago

One more university drop-out here. Research nowadays is much more about:
1 – getting credits
2 – producing PDF
3 – posting about “rule of law” and climate change on twitter and then travelling to touristic destinations for conferences, in acclimatized venues (and eventually paying to zero their carbon emissions on the flight company website).
Academia and Politics nowadays have merged. Academia is now in service of Electoral Politics.
There’s little of no newly-dimensional jobs to be done, but the Peoples of The Gay Science need to create justification for their jobs.
Doing “underground science” is relieving as it brings some hope, but at some point, it will also be opportunistically (ab)used for (electoral) political purposes.
We really need to unify the efforts, and create a meaningful new Episteme rejecting all non-apodictic and electoral-in-service “Science”.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago

I suspect what happened on 24 Feb of this year will change many current ideas about human violence, colonialism and war. We are relearning that peace and harmony are not natural to our species, and that this has probably always been the case.
What I find fascinating, however, is that these new academic explanations for the extant archaeology nearly always occur in the context of very fragmentary data sets. Nearly always there isn’t enough surviving evidence to get a statistically sound sample (usually about 30 items). Thus, most of opur post-modern theories are on very shaky ground methodologicall.
And remember how much more information we had on 24 Feb about Russian intentions? Yet nearly everyone, myself included, got it wrong.
Practically all cultures past and present have been shaped by violence. That doesn’t mean that acknowledging it is somehow celebrating it.
Instead, it means we must always search the past to understand just how fragile our human condition is.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago

I suspect what happened on 24 Feb of this year will change many current ideas about human violence, colonialism and war. We are relearning that peace and harmony are not natural to our species, and that this has probably always been the case.
What I find fascinating, however, is that these new academic explanations for the extant archaeology nearly always occur in the context of very fragmentary data sets. Nearly always there isn’t enough surviving evidence to get a statistically sound sample (usually about 30 items). Thus, most of opur post-modern theories are on very shaky ground methodologicall.
And remember how much more information we had on 24 Feb about Russian intentions? Yet nearly everyone, myself included, got it wrong.
Practically all cultures past and present have been shaped by violence. That doesn’t mean that acknowledging it is somehow celebrating it.
Instead, it means we must always search the past to understand just how fragile our human condition is.

Alfred Fuchs
Alfred Fuchs
1 year ago

Being not in academia and not in the US there is one aspect that I find hard to grasp: The phenomenon of “woke” criticalism is it American or is it global? This is not local, not limited to some disciplines and journals?? The text makes the impression that the whole research community had to go underground. There is nobody in the institutions who stands up to academic freedom? Anthropological results have always been prone to political attacks and misappropriation, and social media certainly did not make the situation more sober, but researchers pursuing their passion in private for lack of a funded position and researchers self-exiling due to conformity pressure are still two different things. Apparently tribes in academia still have cultural dominance strategies that would be worth researching. Cannot be really a surprise in light of similar discoveries in the past.

Alfred Fuchs
Alfred Fuchs
1 year ago

Being not in academia and not in the US there is one aspect that I find hard to grasp: The phenomenon of “woke” criticalism is it American or is it global? This is not local, not limited to some disciplines and journals?? The text makes the impression that the whole research community had to go underground. There is nobody in the institutions who stands up to academic freedom? Anthropological results have always been prone to political attacks and misappropriation, and social media certainly did not make the situation more sober, but researchers pursuing their passion in private for lack of a funded position and researchers self-exiling due to conformity pressure are still two different things. Apparently tribes in academia still have cultural dominance strategies that would be worth researching. Cannot be really a surprise in light of similar discoveries in the past.

Gee Whiz
Gee Whiz
1 year ago

Great discussion about Musk, but back to the topic of the article and the observation, correct in part I think, that paradigm shifting/breaking research will no longer be done in Universities. That’s true, but it does not mean that Universities will have no impact: they will provide the toxic garbage that passes for scholarly thought that has destroyed so much and stands ready to destroy the rest. So, if they are not educating and they are not researching, stop funding them. Completely! No government funding of any kind: to researchers, students, the administrations. Nothing. If some citizens disagree, they are free to use their own money to fund this!

Gee Whiz
Gee Whiz
1 year ago

Great discussion about Musk, but back to the topic of the article and the observation, correct in part I think, that paradigm shifting/breaking research will no longer be done in Universities. That’s true, but it does not mean that Universities will have no impact: they will provide the toxic garbage that passes for scholarly thought that has destroyed so much and stands ready to destroy the rest. So, if they are not educating and they are not researching, stop funding them. Completely! No government funding of any kind: to researchers, students, the administrations. Nothing. If some citizens disagree, they are free to use their own money to fund this!

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

On a second question …
The picture I have in mind of the historical invasions of peoples in the British isles starts with the Picts being those who sort of got stuck there when the rising sea levels made them islands. Then came the Celts. Then the Romans. Then the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons with the Vikings not really settling down. Then the French.
Am I missing anything important there?

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

The Vikings did settle. Look at the place names in the north. As for the French that means the Normans and they just stole the land and replaced the English ruling class and I doubt if they bothered with the peasantry other than turning them into serfs . I favour us as Anglo Saxon Celtic. Tough looking Saxon lads marrying into the Celtic families rather than bringing wives with them . Why would they have bothered?

David Yetter
David Yetter
1 year ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

And, of course, the Normans were actually Vikings who settled in and ruled places they liked, both the lot that had settled in Northern France that took over England in 1066, and the lot that ran the Kingdom of Sicily around the same time. Norman = North Man.

David Yetter
David Yetter
1 year ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

And, of course, the Normans were actually Vikings who settled in and ruled places they liked, both the lot that had settled in Northern France that took over England in 1066, and the lot that ran the Kingdom of Sicily around the same time. Norman = North Man.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Diane Merriam

The Vikings did settle. Look at the place names in the north. As for the French that means the Normans and they just stole the land and replaced the English ruling class and I doubt if they bothered with the peasantry other than turning them into serfs . I favour us as Anglo Saxon Celtic. Tough looking Saxon lads marrying into the Celtic families rather than bringing wives with them . Why would they have bothered?

Diane Merriam
Diane Merriam
1 year ago

On a second question …
The picture I have in mind of the historical invasions of peoples in the British isles starts with the Picts being those who sort of got stuck there when the rising sea levels made them islands. Then came the Celts. Then the Romans. Then the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons with the Vikings not really settling down. Then the French.
Am I missing anything important there?

M Theberge
M Theberge
1 year ago

It is interesting that most comments are aligned also ideologically.
I will comment without an ideological bent nor academic nor anything particular in fact.
The problem is this: Who is doing the anthropological work? the researcher cannot remove their own biases no matter how much and how hard. So would not it make sense if the group of the researchers are diverse who can do the experiments and research together to arrive a sense somewhere in the middle.
What makes the problem is more those in power do the experiment and then unconsciously argue they are not affecting the research.
The observing eye has an impact. Make it a diversity including those being observed or experimented and you may get a much better idea.
The key word is power. You cannot be in power and deliver message and everybody just about goes OK! c’mon. Let us be honest here.

Greg Eiden
Greg Eiden
1 year ago

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Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
1 year ago

Universities are like the the monatsteries post Black Death. Consuming vast resources, producing very little and providing luxurious livings for those who run them.

Penny Mcwilliams
Penny Mcwilliams
11 months ago

A pity that the comments so rapidly got distracted by squabbles about Musk

Jamie Graham
Jamie Graham
1 year ago

It’s clear to see why the author never completed their PHD. Which is of course another way of saying they failed in their educational endeavour.
Because a fail mark is exactly what this article deserves. It’s based on pseudo-scientific nonsense and doesn’t even make a clear case to support its main argument.
A couple of quotes from some books is not a scientific consensus or culture despite the author contorting themselves into knots to prove otherwise.
Comparing the cultural and/or genetic histories of Caucasian and Australian Aboriginal people for example, isn’t so much comparing apples with oranges as comparing apples with pistachio nuts.
The uncritical lapping up of this tosh by other commenters here shows that this article written by “anonymous” (why not put a name to it? Unless that would highlight the fact that the author is utterly unqualified to write authoritatively on the subject) was in fact written and packaged up as “red meat” for braying, quasi-intellectual, right wing nutjobs.
It’s truly laughable.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie Graham

Yes, it’s funny how so many of us STEM PhDs (note the lower case ‘h’) are braying, quasi-intellectual, right wing nutjobs. And, … apples and oranges are comparable, being similar sized, skinned, round, edible, juiceable fruits with seeds inside and grow on trees.

michael harris
michael harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie Graham

I read lots of commentary on ‘Unherd’, some of it wise, some foolish, most of it sincere.
Here and there, someone (perhaps young and unthinking) just raises up his or her head and makes a loud noise. You could call it ‘braying’.
Mention of ‘right wing nutjobs’ and other such tired cliches ‘qualifies’ as braying.
When I hear this noise I reach for my bundle of hay to offer the poor donkey and hope it will lower its head again.

Lukas Nel
Lukas Nel
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie Graham

Caucasian and Aboriginals are both humans tho. Comparing one tribe of humans to another is surely valid.

Joan Yost
Joan Yost
1 year ago
Reply to  Lukas Nel

Comparing human groups is indeed helpful in understanding human activity. The two identities here have little in common. Australian aborigines are an outlying exception as a people who were relatively isolated for many millennia. People who are sometimes called “Caucasian” have the opposite history. They do not form an ethnic group; as a group, light-skinned Northern European and Eurasian peoples (and their American descendants) have a history marked by nearly constant movement of people and ideas across three continents for millennia.

Joan Yost
Joan Yost
1 year ago
Reply to  Lukas Nel

Comparing human groups is indeed helpful in understanding human activity. The two identities here have little in common. Australian aborigines are an outlying exception as a people who were relatively isolated for many millennia. People who are sometimes called “Caucasian” have the opposite history. They do not form an ethnic group; as a group, light-skinned Northern European and Eurasian peoples (and their American descendants) have a history marked by nearly constant movement of people and ideas across three continents for millennia.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie Graham

Yes, it’s funny how so many of us STEM PhDs (note the lower case ‘h’) are braying, quasi-intellectual, right wing nutjobs. And, … apples and oranges are comparable, being similar sized, skinned, round, edible, juiceable fruits with seeds inside and grow on trees.

michael harris
michael harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie Graham

I read lots of commentary on ‘Unherd’, some of it wise, some foolish, most of it sincere.
Here and there, someone (perhaps young and unthinking) just raises up his or her head and makes a loud noise. You could call it ‘braying’.
Mention of ‘right wing nutjobs’ and other such tired cliches ‘qualifies’ as braying.
When I hear this noise I reach for my bundle of hay to offer the poor donkey and hope it will lower its head again.

Lukas Nel
Lukas Nel
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie Graham

Caucasian and Aboriginals are both humans tho. Comparing one tribe of humans to another is surely valid.

Jamie Graham
Jamie Graham
1 year ago

It’s clear to see why the author never completed their PHD. Which is of course another way of saying they failed in their educational endeavour.
Because a fail mark is exactly what this article deserves. It’s based on pseudo-scientific nonsense and doesn’t even make a clear case to support its main argument.
A couple of quotes from some books is not a scientific consensus or culture despite the author contorting themselves into knots to prove otherwise.
Comparing the cultural and/or genetic histories of Caucasian and Australian Aboriginal people for example, isn’t so much comparing apples with oranges as comparing apples with pistachio nuts.
The uncritical lapping up of this tosh by other commenters here shows that this article written by “anonymous” (why not put a name to it? Unless that would highlight the fact that the author is utterly unqualified to write authoritatively on the subject) was in fact written and packaged up as “red meat” for braying, quasi-intellectual, right wing nutjobs.
It’s truly laughable.

Vincent Morgan
Vincent Morgan
1 year ago

So basically the author can’t get his work to a standard that can be submitted to a reputable publication and undergo peer review.

He whines about how new research is ‘disproving’ old paradigms but is that what new research is supposed to do?

Gloating over the ‘revaluations’ that DNA research has caused as though the authors of such research were rogue mavericks and not working within academia is silly.

The paradigms that such work challenges – the Anglo Saxon invasions for instance – arose to as a challenge to the previous paradigm of ‘invasion and conflict’ so DNA hasn’t produced a NEW paradigm at all just added weight to an old one.

God knows Archaeology is far from perfect but let’s not go all ‘Graham Hancock’

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago
Reply to  Vincent Morgan

Let’s get this straight, you are pointing out how reputable researchers are having to go underground are ‘whines’? And his point was they can not post this paradigm changing research without removing themselves from any kind of job in the field for decades to come.
Oh, you were referring to the ‘postmodernist’ crowd. Well, their ideas are pretty predictable and whatever good they did, and they did considerable amounts in certain areas, has already been done. Now we are faced with much as Max Planck said more than a hundred years ago, that advancements in physics happened ‘one funeral at a time’.
It was good that the ‘out of Africa’ theme one out, but has become so rigid that for example “researchers claimed that while they were trying to publish their work about the footprints at high-profile publications they got “ferociously aggressive responses”, criticism and rejection from reviewers and editors. According to the researchers, “Basically, it wasn’t a true peer review process at all,” “They were just trying to shut us down.”
That was the Crete footprints dated to either 5.7 million or 6 million years old, and to trained persons who happened to find and investigate them. The imprints were not found in Africa, therefore must not be real. Many such incidents.
Then there was the incident on a listgroup with the URL including the word ‘skeptic’. At first the posters liked my post, regarding the finds in Mexico involving early man. Then one objected to certain parts, so I tried to post what was available. More objections, which became unceasing.
Exasperated, I look up the guy’s profile and other answers. Most were very short, although there was a major post on how to hide your true virginity status behind those who have medical situations obscuring the same. No, not that kind of virginity, the other type more fashionable to lose nowadays.
To make a long story short, the moderator came in, and he became caustic against me rather than the other. However, I mentioned that my doings have included decades of work with CSICOP, one of the leading skeptic groups offline, but have some trouble with individual persons of that who go too far. So I took out some material and did for the most part as he mentioned. He took offense about the ‘anti skeptic rant. In the end he deleted all my answer, as I closed my account.
While this was hardly a peer reviewed journal (most of the other answers did have a PhD, though) and my background is not archaeology or even biology, conversations with those in the field indicate that such has indeed severe problems with advancement of the truth.
Nor is it only the right/left thing, as sexism against women and ‘tall poppy’ syndrome (two Australian cases) were brought up. Decades ago James Randi even went so far as to humorously suggest that a PhD physically prevents the recipient from saying two sentences ever again — “I was wrong” and “I don’t know”.
We can safely say that the Unherd article is not a figment of imagination. Nor is it merely sour grapes of the writer.

David Semloh
David Semloh
1 year ago
Reply to  Vincent Morgan

Let’s get this straight, you are pointing out how reputable researchers are having to go underground are ‘whines’? And his point was they can not post this paradigm changing research without removing themselves from any kind of job in the field for decades to come.
Oh, you were referring to the ‘postmodernist’ crowd. Well, their ideas are pretty predictable and whatever good they did, and they did considerable amounts in certain areas, has already been done. Now we are faced with much as Max Planck said more than a hundred years ago, that advancements in physics happened ‘one funeral at a time’.
It was good that the ‘out of Africa’ theme one out, but has become so rigid that for example “researchers claimed that while they were trying to publish their work about the footprints at high-profile publications they got “ferociously aggressive responses”, criticism and rejection from reviewers and editors. According to the researchers, “Basically, it wasn’t a true peer review process at all,” “They were just trying to shut us down.”
That was the Crete footprints dated to either 5.7 million or 6 million years old, and to trained persons who happened to find and investigate them. The imprints were not found in Africa, therefore must not be real. Many such incidents.
Then there was the incident on a listgroup with the URL including the word ‘skeptic’. At first the posters liked my post, regarding the finds in Mexico involving early man. Then one objected to certain parts, so I tried to post what was available. More objections, which became unceasing.
Exasperated, I look up the guy’s profile and other answers. Most were very short, although there was a major post on how to hide your true virginity status behind those who have medical situations obscuring the same. No, not that kind of virginity, the other type more fashionable to lose nowadays.
To make a long story short, the moderator came in, and he became caustic against me rather than the other. However, I mentioned that my doings have included decades of work with CSICOP, one of the leading skeptic groups offline, but have some trouble with individual persons of that who go too far. So I took out some material and did for the most part as he mentioned. He took offense about the ‘anti skeptic rant. In the end he deleted all my answer, as I closed my account.
While this was hardly a peer reviewed journal (most of the other answers did have a PhD, though) and my background is not archaeology or even biology, conversations with those in the field indicate that such has indeed severe problems with advancement of the truth.
Nor is it only the right/left thing, as sexism against women and ‘tall poppy’ syndrome (two Australian cases) were brought up. Decades ago James Randi even went so far as to humorously suggest that a PhD physically prevents the recipient from saying two sentences ever again — “I was wrong” and “I don’t know”.
We can safely say that the Unherd article is not a figment of imagination. Nor is it merely sour grapes of the writer.

Vincent Morgan
Vincent Morgan
1 year ago

So basically the author can’t get his work to a standard that can be submitted to a reputable publication and undergo peer review.

He whines about how new research is ‘disproving’ old paradigms but is that what new research is supposed to do?

Gloating over the ‘revaluations’ that DNA research has caused as though the authors of such research were rogue mavericks and not working within academia is silly.

The paradigms that such work challenges – the Anglo Saxon invasions for instance – arose to as a challenge to the previous paradigm of ‘invasion and conflict’ so DNA hasn’t produced a NEW paradigm at all just added weight to an old one.

God knows Archaeology is far from perfect but let’s not go all ‘Graham Hancock’