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Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

We are social creatures. My wife provided home made scones to a few people in our church who had been gardening there and was urged to repeat it next week and slowly the number of those coming each week grew. One of the ladies who came and brought a friend revealed that it was the only time she spoke to anyone if her daughter did not visit during the whole week apart from speaking to the check out girl in the supermarket.
This sort of social gathering was delivered a fearful blow as a result of lockdown. Many social organisations are folding because the elderly have been terrified of meeting others and catching covid and many of those younger have got out of the habit of supporting such social gatherings. The previous habit have been diverted. However, like my wife’s gatherings I believe the urge to fight back at this isolation still remains if it is not strangled by official saftyism.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

We are social creatures. My wife provided home made scones to a few people in our church who had been gardening there and was urged to repeat it next week and slowly the number of those coming each week grew. One of the ladies who came and brought a friend revealed that it was the only time she spoke to anyone if her daughter did not visit during the whole week apart from speaking to the check out girl in the supermarket.
This sort of social gathering was delivered a fearful blow as a result of lockdown. Many social organisations are folding because the elderly have been terrified of meeting others and catching covid and many of those younger have got out of the habit of supporting such social gatherings. The previous habit have been diverted. However, like my wife’s gatherings I believe the urge to fight back at this isolation still remains if it is not strangled by official saftyism.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago

I’m not sure that A Christmas Carol is primarily about loneliness or alienation due to social, economic and political conditions (although, as Dickens clearly intended, it’s surely about those things as well). For me, at any rate, it’s primarily about despair due to personal failure and the need for personal renewal or rejuvenation. It’s about the possibility of spiritual regeneration and therefore of hope.
When I watch–and I watch it at least once a year in one version or another–the most disturbing scene comes near the beginning. Scrooge meets the ghost of Jacob Marley, who moans while dragging around the heavy chains that he had forged in life, one sinful link after another. I do the same thing, dragging around the ugly memories of my own mistakes. Lest I sound too melodramatic, I generally think of these in terms of stupidity or inadequacy in relationships, not of malicious intentions with evil consequences.) If only, I keep thinking, I could have a lobotomy to erase those tormenting memories or, better still, change my past. If only I could have been a better son or a better friend.
The most joyful scene, not surprisingly, comes near the end. Scrooge wakes up in bed and realizes ecstatically that he still has enough time to change and redeem himself, to escape from the torment of his own past through compassion and reconciliation. I experience this as a powerful antidote to the prevailing cynicism. Why go on living without being worthy of life, after all, and therefore without hope?
A Christmas Carol is not a sociological or psychological treatise in narrative form. Nor is it merely a story, let alone a ghost story. It is a myth that reveals a profound and universal truth about the human condition.

RE Diggins
RE Diggins
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

What a beautiful, candid comment. Even if you can’t change the past at least you’ve had the self awareness to reflect on it. “Footfalls echo in the memory. Down the passage which we did not take. Towards the door we never opened. Into the Rose Garden.”

Margaret Donaldson
Margaret Donaldson
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

I would go further and suggest that at the heart of this story Dickens is reminding us about the transformative power of love. Scrooge chose love and was liberated. And of course, ‘Love came down at Christmas, love all lovely, love divine’. Dickens’s readers would have all known that. Thank you for such a thoughtful article and such thoughtful responses.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago

Yes, you’re correct, and I thank you for adding to the depth of this discussion. I used the word “compassion” instead of “love,” because the latter is so often trivialized as an emotion. Historically, theologians and philosophers have understood that love in its many forms–these include love for family, community, nation, friends, sex partners and so on but also compassion for complete strangers–is an act of will (and often courage). Ultimately, it has little to do with sentimental attachment or even knowing those on whom we bestow love. The early Christians called this level of love agape, self-sacrifice (following the pattern of Christ). Both Dickens and many of his early readers understood all this. But you don’t have to be Christian to do so. I, for example, am Jewish. Many religious traditions have words of their own to describe this central feature of the human condition. Nor do you have to be religious at all. Millions of non-religious people even now find the story very powerful for reminding them that transformation remains a possibility.

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Stuart Rose
Stuart Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

And the Jewish word is chesed.
Love, of course, as in agape love is a crucial virtue, as Margaret says, but I fear you’re correct that people nowadays largely consider love as an emotion, and a highly personalized one.
That said, agape love doesn’t have to be impersonal at the same time it can be shown to people whose personality or qualities you especially like.

Jeremy Sansom
Jeremy Sansom
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

“Whatever you did for the least of these, you did for me.” Compassion is always redemptive no matter what your religious affiliation.
A fascinating article and a privilege to read such thoughtful comments.

Stuart Rose
Stuart Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

And the Jewish word is chesed.
Love, of course, as in agape love is a crucial virtue, as Margaret says, but I fear you’re correct that people nowadays largely consider love as an emotion, and a highly personalized one.
That said, agape love doesn’t have to be impersonal at the same time it can be shown to people whose personality or qualities you especially like.

Jeremy Sansom
Jeremy Sansom
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

“Whatever you did for the least of these, you did for me.” Compassion is always redemptive no matter what your religious affiliation.
A fascinating article and a privilege to read such thoughtful comments.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago

Yes, you’re correct, and I thank you for adding to the depth of this discussion. I used the word “compassion” instead of “love,” because the latter is so often trivialized as an emotion. Historically, theologians and philosophers have understood that love in its many forms–these include love for family, community, nation, friends, sex partners and so on but also compassion for complete strangers–is an act of will (and often courage). Ultimately, it has little to do with sentimental attachment or even knowing those on whom we bestow love. The early Christians called this level of love agape, self-sacrifice (following the pattern of Christ). Both Dickens and many of his early readers understood all this. But you don’t have to be Christian to do so. I, for example, am Jewish. Many religious traditions have words of their own to describe this central feature of the human condition. Nor do you have to be religious at all. Millions of non-religious people even now find the story very powerful for reminding them that transformation remains a possibility.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul Nathanson
Phillip Bailey
Phillip Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

“I do the same thing, dragging around the ugly memories of my own mistakes. Lest I sound too melodramatic, I generally think of these in terms of stupidity or inadequacy in relationships, not of malicious intentions with evil consequences.) If only, I keep thinking, I could have a lobotomy to erase those tormenting memories or, better still, change my past. If only I could have been a better son or a better friend”
Gosh – my own thoughts writ large…

Jeremy Sansom
Jeremy Sansom
1 year ago
Reply to  Phillip Bailey

I understand that with his rejection of Christianity, ‘A Christmas Carol’ was Dickens attempt to harness compassion, unrestrained from religious sentiment, to transport us out of our melancholy. Although he identifies the right mechanism, the agape love of Christ is a powerful antidote to the crushing weight of our past misdemeanours.
To know the phenomenal love of God – that we are loved, utterly, despite our ‘wicked’ (here insert your own ghosts) past – is wonderfully cathartic and releases our dormant, always redeeming, pent-up compassion.
Before lobotomy, please consider Jesus Christ! There is a tried and tested cure for loneliness.

Jeremy Sansom
Jeremy Sansom
1 year ago
Reply to  Phillip Bailey

I understand that with his rejection of Christianity, ‘A Christmas Carol’ was Dickens attempt to harness compassion, unrestrained from religious sentiment, to transport us out of our melancholy. Although he identifies the right mechanism, the agape love of Christ is a powerful antidote to the crushing weight of our past misdemeanours.
To know the phenomenal love of God – that we are loved, utterly, despite our ‘wicked’ (here insert your own ghosts) past – is wonderfully cathartic and releases our dormant, always redeeming, pent-up compassion.
Before lobotomy, please consider Jesus Christ! There is a tried and tested cure for loneliness.

Bruno Lucy
Bruno Lucy
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Beautifully written but as pointed out below many people chose solitude without feeling lonely….. especially at Xmas where horror stories of family feuds abound.
I for one models on Pr Higgins……and I get myself a tailor made Xmas ….a day I relish and even more the time before.
Can you imagine people selling the presents they don’t like? Good God how did we come to become what we are as a society……objectifying everything and erasing the emotional value of a present even if not exactly to our taste ?
To me….it means the person who gave it to you is a replaceable as the object you are sending back to Amazon

RE Diggins
RE Diggins
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

What a beautiful, candid comment. Even if you can’t change the past at least you’ve had the self awareness to reflect on it. “Footfalls echo in the memory. Down the passage which we did not take. Towards the door we never opened. Into the Rose Garden.”

Margaret Donaldson
Margaret Donaldson
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

I would go further and suggest that at the heart of this story Dickens is reminding us about the transformative power of love. Scrooge chose love and was liberated. And of course, ‘Love came down at Christmas, love all lovely, love divine’. Dickens’s readers would have all known that. Thank you for such a thoughtful article and such thoughtful responses.

Phillip Bailey
Phillip Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

“I do the same thing, dragging around the ugly memories of my own mistakes. Lest I sound too melodramatic, I generally think of these in terms of stupidity or inadequacy in relationships, not of malicious intentions with evil consequences.) If only, I keep thinking, I could have a lobotomy to erase those tormenting memories or, better still, change my past. If only I could have been a better son or a better friend”
Gosh – my own thoughts writ large…

Bruno Lucy
Bruno Lucy
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Beautifully written but as pointed out below many people chose solitude without feeling lonely….. especially at Xmas where horror stories of family feuds abound.
I for one models on Pr Higgins……and I get myself a tailor made Xmas ….a day I relish and even more the time before.
Can you imagine people selling the presents they don’t like? Good God how did we come to become what we are as a society……objectifying everything and erasing the emotional value of a present even if not exactly to our taste ?
To me….it means the person who gave it to you is a replaceable as the object you are sending back to Amazon

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago

I’m not sure that A Christmas Carol is primarily about loneliness or alienation due to social, economic and political conditions (although, as Dickens clearly intended, it’s surely about those things as well). For me, at any rate, it’s primarily about despair due to personal failure and the need for personal renewal or rejuvenation. It’s about the possibility of spiritual regeneration and therefore of hope.
When I watch–and I watch it at least once a year in one version or another–the most disturbing scene comes near the beginning. Scrooge meets the ghost of Jacob Marley, who moans while dragging around the heavy chains that he had forged in life, one sinful link after another. I do the same thing, dragging around the ugly memories of my own mistakes. Lest I sound too melodramatic, I generally think of these in terms of stupidity or inadequacy in relationships, not of malicious intentions with evil consequences.) If only, I keep thinking, I could have a lobotomy to erase those tormenting memories or, better still, change my past. If only I could have been a better son or a better friend.
The most joyful scene, not surprisingly, comes near the end. Scrooge wakes up in bed and realizes ecstatically that he still has enough time to change and redeem himself, to escape from the torment of his own past through compassion and reconciliation. I experience this as a powerful antidote to the prevailing cynicism. Why go on living without being worthy of life, after all, and therefore without hope?
A Christmas Carol is not a sociological or psychological treatise in narrative form. Nor is it merely a story, let alone a ghost story. It is a myth that reveals a profound and universal truth about the human condition.

Michael O'Phull
Michael O'Phull
1 year ago

I am a 61 year old man. I have been single for over 20 years and I’ve lived alone for 10 years. My life is not lonely, it is solitary. I prefer it this way. Sartre said “hell is other people” and I couldn’t agree more. I abhor crowds and parties. I’ve got the life I’ve always wanted. My own house, part-time job, and no-one to bother me. On Christmas day I will walk miles to the park and back, watch The Big Lebowski, and cook myself a vegetarian meal. I expect to be in bed by about 11pm as per normal. It’s no big deal.

Milton Gibbon
Milton Gibbon
1 year ago

Now imagine how terrible it would be to have your exact life but to be hating every minute of it.

Michael O'Phull
Michael O'Phull
1 year ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

Completely understand. No-one should be alone if they don’t want to be. Some can cope whilst others cannot.

Michael O'Phull
Michael O'Phull
1 year ago
Reply to  Milton Gibbon

Completely understand. No-one should be alone if they don’t want to be. Some can cope whilst others cannot.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

Bravo! My thoughts exactly.

Rod Robertson
Rod Robertson
1 year ago

Is it ironic that you bothered to post this for others to read? You obviously crave at least this much connection. Not trolling. I totally get introversion, but in general we do need to feel connected to something.

Milton Gibbon
Milton Gibbon
1 year ago

Now imagine how terrible it would be to have your exact life but to be hating every minute of it.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

Bravo! My thoughts exactly.

Rod Robertson
Rod Robertson
1 year ago

Is it ironic that you bothered to post this for others to read? You obviously crave at least this much connection. Not trolling. I totally get introversion, but in general we do need to feel connected to something.

Michael O'Phull
Michael O'Phull
1 year ago

I am a 61 year old man. I have been single for over 20 years and I’ve lived alone for 10 years. My life is not lonely, it is solitary. I prefer it this way. Sartre said “hell is other people” and I couldn’t agree more. I abhor crowds and parties. I’ve got the life I’ve always wanted. My own house, part-time job, and no-one to bother me. On Christmas day I will walk miles to the park and back, watch The Big Lebowski, and cook myself a vegetarian meal. I expect to be in bed by about 11pm as per normal. It’s no big deal.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

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Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

I write to Unherd

I wish to tell the editor, and the writer, this is the best bit of writing to appear in this magazing in a good wile. You need to commission him more.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

What’s wrong with enjoying loneliness? Hell is indeed other people, and the joy of the internet and social media is that one can interact with other humans to a level that you define entirely to suit yourself. That’s never been possible before.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

I think the point about enjoying solitude, rather than loneliness, is well made in the article. Otherwise i agree with you 100%

For those of us who’ve enjoyed the ups and downs of family life both as children then as adults and parents, to finally have the peace of one’s own space and the choice of when to interact directly with others, is a form of heaven. This has little to do with enforced atomisation by the way.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

I think the point about enjoying solitude, rather than loneliness, is well made in the article. Otherwise i agree with you 100%

For those of us who’ve enjoyed the ups and downs of family life both as children then as adults and parents, to finally have the peace of one’s own space and the choice of when to interact directly with others, is a form of heaven. This has little to do with enforced atomisation by the way.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

What’s wrong with enjoying loneliness? Hell is indeed other people, and the joy of the internet and social media is that one can interact with other humans to a level that you define entirely to suit yourself. That’s never been possible before.

David A. Westbrook
David A. Westbrook
1 year ago

Brilliantly done, especially poetically. The notion of thin — threadbare, hungry, but also permeable, rendable . . . contrast “thick” relations and descriptions, tapestry . . . this is a masterful little essay. Kudos. Enjoy the season!

David A. Westbrook
David A. Westbrook
1 year ago

Brilliantly done, especially poetically. The notion of thin — threadbare, hungry, but also permeable, rendable . . . contrast “thick” relations and descriptions, tapestry . . . this is a masterful little essay. Kudos. Enjoy the season!

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

It is a commonplace that our modern rationalist, individualist, citified world is more alone and solitary and anti-social than the good old days.
But I wonder.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

It’s a fair comment. What I read, and what I see in day to day life, are often quite disconnected.

I did enjoy the essay though.

Last edited 1 year ago by Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

It’s a fair comment. What I read, and what I see in day to day life, are often quite disconnected.

I did enjoy the essay though.

Last edited 1 year ago by Martin Bollis
Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

It is a commonplace that our modern rationalist, individualist, citified world is more alone and solitary and anti-social than the good old days.
But I wonder.

David Ryan
David Ryan
1 year ago

A good piece. He’s right about the thin places. Might seem like garbage in the secular 21st century, but the idea that there are places that lie closer to an alternate reality isn’t that far fetched. Think about a shadow or a reflection, that’s as close as we can get to second dimensional reality. Now think about the third dimension, which we inhabit, and how it might appear to the posited inhabitants of a fourth dimension. Is it possible that there are instances where the third and fourth intersect, just as the second and third sometimes intersect? I wouldn’t rule it out.

David Ryan
David Ryan
1 year ago

A good piece. He’s right about the thin places. Might seem like garbage in the secular 21st century, but the idea that there are places that lie closer to an alternate reality isn’t that far fetched. Think about a shadow or a reflection, that’s as close as we can get to second dimensional reality. Now think about the third dimension, which we inhabit, and how it might appear to the posited inhabitants of a fourth dimension. Is it possible that there are instances where the third and fourth intersect, just as the second and third sometimes intersect? I wouldn’t rule it out.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

I am trying not to be dismissive or too hard hearted here – it is Christmas after all! But this article does seem to tread well worn territory. Of course there are lots of people, but I’d say a small minority, who are isolated, lonely and quite possibly depressed. But we live in a complicated world.

The trouble is, there is not a wand we can wave to overcome this, not least because some – many? – of these people actively ‘want’ to be on their own as I know from experience with friends, one of whom recently cut himself off for 4 years and has since tragically been found dead in his flat.

A big subject – though I am a gay man and have every reason to be thankful for social freedoms, I do wonder whether a society based largely on individual rights and not social obligations and mutual support isn’t inevitably going to generate these problems. However, it is complicated, we can’t honestly (I don’t think) say that things are obviously better elsewhere or in the past. More collective societies can be utterly stifling and also breed resentments, albeit ones that are largely suppressed. (I recall reading about a small farm in India where the patriarch lived to a ripe old age and held back the independent lives of his children).

Many people like precisely these individual freedoms, they don’t want to be their parents’ carers for one example, and to make things more morally complex, nether do many modern western parents want their children to look after them in their old age. Meanwhile, living in a not desperately affluent part of Southeast London, I see most ordinary people living pretty happily and engaged with their families, warts and all.

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Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

I am trying not to be dismissive or too hard hearted here – it is Christmas after all! But this article does seem to tread well worn territory. Of course there are lots of people, but I’d say a small minority, who are isolated, lonely and quite possibly depressed. But we live in a complicated world.

The trouble is, there is not a wand we can wave to overcome this, not least because some – many? – of these people actively ‘want’ to be on their own as I know from experience with friends, one of whom recently cut himself off for 4 years and has since tragically been found dead in his flat.

A big subject – though I am a gay man and have every reason to be thankful for social freedoms, I do wonder whether a society based largely on individual rights and not social obligations and mutual support isn’t inevitably going to generate these problems. However, it is complicated, we can’t honestly (I don’t think) say that things are obviously better elsewhere or in the past. More collective societies can be utterly stifling and also breed resentments, albeit ones that are largely suppressed. (I recall reading about a small farm in India where the patriarch lived to a ripe old age and held back the independent lives of his children).

Many people like precisely these individual freedoms, they don’t want to be their parents’ carers for one example, and to make things more morally complex, nether do many modern western parents want their children to look after them in their old age. Meanwhile, living in a not desperately affluent part of Southeast London, I see most ordinary people living pretty happily and engaged with their families, warts and all.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Janet G
Janet G
1 year ago

” rebirth of hope in the depths of winter”
Is it possible, then, to celebrate Christmas in the southern hemisphere?

geoffrey cox
geoffrey cox
1 year ago

I think the paragraph about Jo Cox should read: ‘Before she was said to have been murdered by , etc.’. This is an extraordinarily mysterious murder story with dozens of still unanswered questions. Yet it is rarely or never revisited. I wonder why not.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  geoffrey cox

Tell us more Mr Cox. Don’t leave us dangling.

Mônica
Mônica
1 year ago
Reply to  geoffrey cox

What are you trying to deny? The crime? Its authorship? Her death? Please enlighten us.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  geoffrey cox

There are websites you can go to maintained by like minded individuals and you can raise such questions and discuss them endlessly.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  geoffrey cox

Tell us more Mr Cox. Don’t leave us dangling.

Mônica
Mônica
1 year ago
Reply to  geoffrey cox

What are you trying to deny? The crime? Its authorship? Her death? Please enlighten us.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  geoffrey cox

There are websites you can go to maintained by like minded individuals and you can raise such questions and discuss them endlessly.

geoffrey cox
geoffrey cox
1 year ago

I think the paragraph about Jo Cox should read: ‘Before she was said to have been murdered by , etc.’. This is an extraordinarily mysterious murder story with dozens of still unanswered questions. Yet it is rarely or never revisited. I wonder why not.