The WHO is doing two separate but related things 1. Revising the 2005 International Health Regulations (IHR), and 2. Devising, via an international Negotiating Body (INB) an entirely new “WHO convention, agreement or other international instrument on pandemic prevention, preparedness and response”. The INB agreed in July that this should be legally binding. The significance is that the latter could have a broader scope than the former, it’s more about substance than process: they have agreed a “whole-of-government and whole-of-society” approach is needed. They INB is meeting again in Geneva, next week, to progress their draft.
A lot could be said about this but one thing it is important to understand is that the WHO has decided that representatives of hundreds (I count nearly 400) of “stakeholders” – including the philanthrocapitalists and direct representatives of the pharma, tech, and other big industries – should in both cases be invited to attend and to speak at working group meetings tasked with working up the amendments and the draft agreement, and to have the ability to send written comments on draft documentation.
The WHO’s Executive Board also decided in January of this year that there should, before each annual meeting (usually held in May) of its governing body, the World Health Assembly, that an “informal pre-meeting for interested non-State actors in official relations [that is, big pharma and the “philanthrocapitalists”], Member States and the Secretariat will be organized annually during the four to six weeks before the World Health Assembly”.
The WHO is actually quite transparent about its *formal* meetings. You can go on the website and read all of the agendas, papers, and meeting reports, including to observe how drafts discussed in formal working groups evolve into final agreements, though you cannot see who, exactly, attended and said what at each meeting. Informal meetings, like the unprecedented one that (presumably) took place before this year’s WHA, are held entirely in secret. One purpose of this would be to iron out any differences in private so as to be able to present a stitched up false sense of unanimity between governments and stakeholders in public. And that’s what we got in May – lots of hand clapping, backslapping, and near-universal agreement on the need for a “One Health” based treaty (even if a package of amendments to the IHR proposed by the US and others were largely rejected – forging agreements still take time).
It’s now up to individuals across the world to stay calm, do our homework, and help each other as best we can to understand what’s happening and, if we think it is wrong, to push back against it with a deliberate, focused determination, avoiding the rabbit holes that it is so easy to fall down or falling out with others over points of detail or personality. If we make honest factual or analytical mistakes we should be very quick to acknowledge them, and be extremely gracious if we believe others to have erred – there is no room for big egos.
For many, this will involve overcoming a fear-barrier to acknowledge just how corrupted many global and national institutions have become: yes they really are attempting a Great Reset (they’ve written books on it for goodness sake!), and yes they really do want a digital global bio-security system (they’ve said so at G20 meetings!). There’s no need to assume any evil or malicious intent, or “conspiracy”: there is little doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the actors involved have genuinely convinced themselves that they are doing the right and moral thing even if that just happens to coincide with an enormous self-interest, a profoundly human thing to do if ever there was one.
The WHO is doing two separate but related things 1. Revising the 2005 International Health Regulations (IHR), and 2. Devising, via an international Negotiating Body (INB) an entirely new “WHO convention, agreement or other international instrument on pandemic prevention, preparedness and response”. The INB agreed in July that this should be legally binding. The significance is that the latter could have a broader scope than the former, it’s more about substance than process: they have agreed a “whole-of-government and whole-of-society” approach is needed. They INB is meeting again in Geneva, next week, to progress their draft.
A lot could be said about this but one thing it is important to understand is that the WHO has decided that representatives of hundreds (I count nearly 400) of “stakeholders” – including the philanthrocapitalists and direct representatives of the pharma, tech, and other big industries – should in both cases be invited to attend and to speak at working group meetings tasked with working up the amendments and the draft agreement, and to have the ability to send written comments on draft documentation.
The WHO’s Executive Board also decided in January of this year that there should, before each annual meeting (usually held in May) of its governing body, the World Health Assembly, that an “informal pre-meeting for interested non-State actors in official relations [that is, big pharma and the “philanthrocapitalists”], Member States and the Secretariat will be organized annually during the four to six weeks before the World Health Assembly”.
The WHO is actually quite transparent about its *formal* meetings. You can go on the website and read all of the agendas, papers, and meeting reports, including to observe how drafts discussed in formal working groups evolve into final agreements, though you cannot see who, exactly, attended and said what at each meeting. Informal meetings, like the unprecedented one that (presumably) took place before this year’s WHA, are held entirely in secret. One purpose of this would be to iron out any differences in private so as to be able to present a stitched up false sense of unanimity between governments and stakeholders in public. And that’s what we got in May – lots of hand clapping, backslapping, and near-universal agreement on the need for a “One Health” based treaty (even if a package of amendments to the IHR proposed by the US and others were largely rejected – forging agreements still take time).
It’s now up to individuals across the world to stay calm, do our homework, and help each other as best we can to understand what’s happening and, if we think it is wrong, to push back against it with a deliberate, focused determination, avoiding the rabbit holes that it is so easy to fall down or falling out with others over points of detail or personality. If we make honest factual or analytical mistakes we should be very quick to acknowledge them, and be extremely gracious if we believe others to have erred – there is no room for big egos.
For many, this will involve overcoming a fear-barrier to acknowledge just how corrupted many global and national institutions have become: yes they really are attempting a Great Reset (they’ve written books on it for goodness sake!), and yes they really do want a digital global bio-security system (they’ve said so at G20 meetings!). There’s no need to assume any evil or malicious intent, or “conspiracy”: there is little doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the actors involved have genuinely convinced themselves that they are doing the right and moral thing even if that just happens to coincide with an enormous self-interest, a profoundly human thing to do if ever there was one.
Brett H
1 year ago
This story has some connection to the earlier story about Humanism. Do people consider themselves to be free agents. Even though they live with the give and take of their community are they aware of such a concept? Or do they see themselves as something that just drifts back and forward with the tide, not so much victims as passive forms with a limited understanding of what it is to be alive. I think people are dangerously undereducated and hardly aware of the tacit approval they give to those who will use them.
Your last sentence is the clincher – people seem to vote for people without knowing anything about the politics and they would not be interested in learning, using some excuse like, “I’m too busy to listen to all that.” People on Unherd don’t seem to realise how privileged they are to be able to write a reasoned argument. Unherders probably represent less than 1% of the population.
The best use for this site is for everyone to stop criticising things they don’t like and to start coming up with alternatives. How many articles do we have which just blame everything on the party in power? It is electorate which is the real problem.
Not any more. Unelected bureaucrats, NGO’s and large multinational corporations run things. Do you honestly think that the current POTUS even has a clue about what’s going on? He was supposedly “elected” by the people, but he is merely a puppet sitting on top of a Trojan horse.
Not any more. Unelected bureaucrats, NGO’s and large multinational corporations run things. Do you honestly think that the current POTUS even has a clue about what’s going on? He was supposedly “elected” by the people, but he is merely a puppet sitting on top of a Trojan horse.
Have to disagree a bit there, our elected government was felled by a press frenzy, lizz truss by ‘the markets’ the electorates power has been eroded, almost beyond comprehension, by multi national corporate interests.
Now it is probably up to the electorate to realise this and do something about it, but you must bear in mind the WEF is enormous, well funded, global. This is the biggest problem.
I think we should address the terrifying nature of the Bio-State explored by the author in this excellent article. It exists! It is not a theory. Lockdown saw our elected government surrender authoritarian power to an unholy alliance of monolithic failing NHS, a Leftist BBC & OFCOM bent on inducing Orwellian style hysteria to make us bow and protect a State institution, and an army of dodgy self enriching scientific academics also committed to self enrichment and lies. Our human rights to freedom or debate? Gone in a moment. This Medical Industrial Complex is still there eager to assert its control over our lives even as the self destruction of a now broken NHS in ignoring all disease bar Covid is literally killing us. But hey – Beveridge was into eugenics…it sort of makes sense. Because all our hapless political parties, brazen media and silent law (humsn rights anyone? Pah) summoned this monster collectively, no one is being urged to fight the new born Bio State. So it will spread its wings further. We have been warned.
Yes I know the WEF exist, and I know WHO exist, however the rest of your post is based on assumption. And assumption is the mother of all f*** ups.
I think myself that the world is too big and complicated for the WEF to hold COMPLETE power. Now they have a lot of influence, but not all the influence. If you’ve followed the conspiracy rabbit holes for a long time you will be aware that organisations like the trilateral commission, the un, cia, rockerfeller, Clinton foundations were marked out as the spawning home of evil by conspiracy theorists long before the WEF took the crown. Or people even started talking about it. So which is it?
People have picked up just the WEF as the home of all this stuff because schwabb is all over the Internet and written a book talking about it. (deflecting from the un, trilateral etc. that will be the real people holding on to power) Now if you were an evil mastermind would you reveal your plan?
In doing this he has made the WEF the target of everyones mistrust, I can’t help but feel this is too easy. Edit to say in that he has been visably schmoosing all our leaders. Now if the WEF and their multiple associates wants everyone chipped and passported what’s the easiest way to go about it? You get them to overthrow their own governments, you make it look like every politician is bought, every existing institution useless, you subject them to a pandemic and then blackouts to really rile them up then off they go. They destroy their existing governments, institutions, then you, the rich guy, using your money and media influences install your own people. By this point the country would a shit tip, if we were at war with China at the same time our supply chains would have collapsed. So then you need a thing to get your rations, you need a thing to get your UBI etc. etc. Currency would have crashed by this point there’s your CBDC and there you have it. Easy. Everyone ID carded, all the old democratic and educational establishments gone, WEF winner.
So I will not stop defending our parliament or universities as long as people like Charles Walker, Kathleen stock exist. We must not let them trick us into thinking anything else is the problem apart from multi national corporate interests.
Now I hate the WEF, I hate its propaganda, but it is not the ONLY power in this world, that it wants a biostate and has enough money to throw at trying to get there I don’t doubt, but you are being simplistic. And I know for a fact your the guy I saw the other day calling nurses ‘enemies in the fog’ so if its OK, I won’t take you too seriously.
Will add, to all the people I’ve been anti warring out there, this is the main reason I object to it, the carnage it would cause would be perfect to introduce things like UBI and Cbdcs. Benefit enormous multinational companies involved in the arms industry.
Edit to also say all of the above is just how I see it, you’ve no need to take me too seriously either 🙂
And one more edit cos I love this topic 🙂 Parallel theory also could be China own WHO and the WEF, they started the pandemic, hyped it up, have been deliberately bottle necking shipping to cause inflation, they might be backing russia in Ukraine, they could be relying on the energy crisis and stalled shipping to help tank the west, let us tear ourselves apart and save them the trouble and its just a big old war game? Point is, no one knows.
Another one I like is covid was fire drill for the carnage coming our way if we do end up embroiled in ww3.
All theories. We are scant on facts in this age of information, we have to be very careful. I’m done now.
And actually I’m not, this document, produced by the American intelligence services, linked to the people like the trilateral commission that somehow evade all this stuff on account of WEF is worth a read. It’s the real deal, and it’s based on series of different scenarios depending on how Geopolitics plays out. More realistic than old klaus schwabs book. It’s 140 pages, but honestly, if you read nothing else, have a look. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home
Report: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/GlobalTrends_2040.pdf
Does highlight the importance of an open mind.
Will add, to all the people I’ve been anti warring out there, this is the main reason I object to it, the carnage it would cause would be perfect to introduce things like UBI and Cbdcs. Benefit enormous multinational companies involved in the arms industry.
Edit to also say all of the above is just how I see it, you’ve no need to take me too seriously either 🙂
And one more edit cos I love this topic 🙂 Parallel theory also could be China own WHO and the WEF, they started the pandemic, hyped it up, have been deliberately bottle necking shipping to cause inflation, they might be backing russia in Ukraine, they could be relying on the energy crisis and stalled shipping to help tank the west, let us tear ourselves apart and save them the trouble and its just a big old war game? Point is, no one knows.
Another one I like is covid was fire drill for the carnage coming our way if we do end up embroiled in ww3.
All theories. We are scant on facts in this age of information, we have to be very careful. I’m done now.
And actually I’m not, this document, produced by the American intelligence services, linked to the people like the trilateral commission that somehow evade all this stuff on account of WEF is worth a read. It’s the real deal, and it’s based on series of different scenarios depending on how Geopolitics plays out. More realistic than old klaus schwabs book. It’s 140 pages, but honestly, if you read nothing else, have a look. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home
Report: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/GlobalTrends_2040.pdf
Does highlight the importance of an open mind.
Also Mr Walter Marvell, it was the NHS workers here that protested, successfully, against mandatory vaccination, so give up your NHS trope, some of our doctors and nurses have been absolute hero’s in speaking up against it. Our freedom of debate hasn’t quite been completely nullified but if we are stupid enough to destroy our existing parliament it will be. It did not serve the Conservative government well at all locking down, if you were following closely it was obvious by the time we did, the government had no choice, they were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. The media is a massive problem, if anything, direct your vitriol at them.
Yes I know the WEF exist, and I know WHO exist, however the rest of your post is based on assumption. And assumption is the mother of all f*** ups.
I think myself that the world is too big and complicated for the WEF to hold COMPLETE power. Now they have a lot of influence, but not all the influence. If you’ve followed the conspiracy rabbit holes for a long time you will be aware that organisations like the trilateral commission, the un, cia, rockerfeller, Clinton foundations were marked out as the spawning home of evil by conspiracy theorists long before the WEF took the crown. Or people even started talking about it. So which is it?
People have picked up just the WEF as the home of all this stuff because schwabb is all over the Internet and written a book talking about it. (deflecting from the un, trilateral etc. that will be the real people holding on to power) Now if you were an evil mastermind would you reveal your plan?
In doing this he has made the WEF the target of everyones mistrust, I can’t help but feel this is too easy. Edit to say in that he has been visably schmoosing all our leaders. Now if the WEF and their multiple associates wants everyone chipped and passported what’s the easiest way to go about it? You get them to overthrow their own governments, you make it look like every politician is bought, every existing institution useless, you subject them to a pandemic and then blackouts to really rile them up then off they go. They destroy their existing governments, institutions, then you, the rich guy, using your money and media influences install your own people. By this point the country would a shit tip, if we were at war with China at the same time our supply chains would have collapsed. So then you need a thing to get your rations, you need a thing to get your UBI etc. etc. Currency would have crashed by this point there’s your CBDC and there you have it. Easy. Everyone ID carded, all the old democratic and educational establishments gone, WEF winner.
So I will not stop defending our parliament or universities as long as people like Charles Walker, Kathleen stock exist. We must not let them trick us into thinking anything else is the problem apart from multi national corporate interests.
Now I hate the WEF, I hate its propaganda, but it is not the ONLY power in this world, that it wants a biostate and has enough money to throw at trying to get there I don’t doubt, but you are being simplistic. And I know for a fact your the guy I saw the other day calling nurses ‘enemies in the fog’ so if its OK, I won’t take you too seriously.
Also Mr Walter Marvell, it was the NHS workers here that protested, successfully, against mandatory vaccination, so give up your NHS trope, some of our doctors and nurses have been absolute hero’s in speaking up against it. Our freedom of debate hasn’t quite been completely nullified but if we are stupid enough to destroy our existing parliament it will be. It did not serve the Conservative government well at all locking down, if you were following closely it was obvious by the time we did, the government had no choice, they were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. The media is a massive problem, if anything, direct your vitriol at them.
I think we should address the terrifying nature of the Bio-State explored by the author in this excellent article. It exists! It is not a theory. Lockdown saw our elected government surrender authoritarian power to an unholy alliance of monolithic failing NHS, a Leftist BBC & OFCOM bent on inducing Orwellian style hysteria to make us bow and protect a State institution, and an army of dodgy self enriching scientific academics also committed to self enrichment and lies. Our human rights to freedom or debate? Gone in a moment. This Medical Industrial Complex is still there eager to assert its control over our lives even as the self destruction of a now broken NHS in ignoring all disease bar Covid is literally killing us. But hey – Beveridge was into eugenics…it sort of makes sense. Because all our hapless political parties, brazen media and silent law (humsn rights anyone? Pah) summoned this monster collectively, no one is being urged to fight the new born Bio State. So it will spread its wings further. We have been warned.
Blaming the electorate seems rather off target here. A bunch of highly privileged elites with little or no democratic legitimacy stitches up a future they feel desirable that most people don’t even know about? The buck stops with them. You can’t expect and I’d say shouldn’t even desire everyone to become political obsessives. Political fanaticism – which obsession often morphs into – does not have a notably good track record. One of the very good things about Britain was the fact that most people weren’t all that interested in politics, though we have a vibrant non political civic society.
Have to disagree a bit there, our elected government was felled by a press frenzy, lizz truss by ‘the markets’ the electorates power has been eroded, almost beyond comprehension, by multi national corporate interests.
Now it is probably up to the electorate to realise this and do something about it, but you must bear in mind the WEF is enormous, well funded, global. This is the biggest problem.
Blaming the electorate seems rather off target here. A bunch of highly privileged elites with little or no democratic legitimacy stitches up a future they feel desirable that most people don’t even know about? The buck stops with them. You can’t expect and I’d say shouldn’t even desire everyone to become political obsessives. Political fanaticism – which obsession often morphs into – does not have a notably good track record. One of the very good things about Britain was the fact that most people weren’t all that interested in politics, though we have a vibrant non political civic society.
Your last sentence is the clincher – people seem to vote for people without knowing anything about the politics and they would not be interested in learning, using some excuse like, “I’m too busy to listen to all that.” People on Unherd don’t seem to realise how privileged they are to be able to write a reasoned argument. Unherders probably represent less than 1% of the population.
The best use for this site is for everyone to stop criticising things they don’t like and to start coming up with alternatives. How many articles do we have which just blame everything on the party in power? It is electorate which is the real problem.
Brett H
1 year ago
This story has some connection to the earlier story about Humanism. Do people consider themselves to be free agents. Even though they live with the give and take of their community are they aware of such a concept? Or do they see themselves as something that just drifts back and forward with the tide, not so much victims as passive forms with a limited understanding of what it is to be alive. I think people are dangerously undereducated and hardly aware of the tacit approval they give to those who will use them.
B Emery
1 year ago
Personally, I would make resisting cbdcs, mandatory vaccination and global health ID cards my Hill to die on. My daughter will not be a slave to the mega Corp blob if I can help it. If they try it, expect to see me on BBC news, attempting to drive a borrowed tractor through parliament 🙂 hope you politicians are listening, I’d let you out first, but if you are going to enthrall us to the wef, parliament would be superfluous anyway.
The last anti lockdown protesters were treated disgracefully at times, especially compared to the just stop oil, blm American funded lot! This guy, Charles Walker. Hero. I even emailed his office after this went out to thank him and ask him to keep up the good work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXtxOvH3pg
I am hopeful that Britain would be able to muster quite a back lash if we needed to, we still have a few politicians with some sense.
Great article again.
Beware they are coming for London: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2012/08/meet-the-london-hub/
Quote : ‘But London as a city is at a crossroads; our banking system is being called into question and, as the riots last year showed, we have challenging social issues. The question is, how can we harness the participation seen at the games and the wealth of innovation, optimism and skills of Generation Y to achieve significant social change?’
Note them calling it ‘ours’ and ‘we’, notice them using the blm ‘riots’ as justification for their social change.
Also note that they are unfortunately working with what was one of the best universities in this country, Imperial are publishing stuff to the wef website, remember where the covid stats came from? https://www.weforum.org/organizations/imperial-college-london
The articles on their website, will make you feel that actual torture would be preferable, they are even telling us what OUR young people want, how OUR businesses should run:
‘Your organization doesn’t have to be non-profit or mission-based to be driven by purpose. For example, our company, Donut, exists to help people create meaningful connections in their workplaces through interpersonal bonds or tackling societal issues.
Values can live in how work gets done, the benefits you offer, or how you speak up about specific causes. From employing actively inclusive hiring practices to hosting company-wide volunteer initiatives, showing that your company cares about making the world a better place creates an inclusive environment for Gen Z and beyond… ‘ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/gen-z-truly-want-from-workplace-work-values/
All of that, sounds designed to murder SMEs, raising problems that aren’t problems and that are already addressed by stringent employment law: ‘actively inclusive hiring practices’, its not enough to make your own living now either your business should also show it cares about ‘making the world a better place’ there’s so much wrong with that article I haven’t time to shred it as I’d like to. Would add I like how they paint the ‘mission based non profits’ (normally an acronym for evil tax dodging bast*rds) as the marvellous saints of business. Ugh. Rage.
They are everywhere, like a bad smell. I feel all angry and militant after half an hour on their website 🙂
B Emery
1 year ago
Personally, I would make resisting cbdcs, mandatory vaccination and global health ID cards my Hill to die on. My daughter will not be a slave to the mega Corp blob if I can help it. If they try it, expect to see me on BBC news, attempting to drive a borrowed tractor through parliament 🙂 hope you politicians are listening, I’d let you out first, but if you are going to enthrall us to the wef, parliament would be superfluous anyway.
The last anti lockdown protesters were treated disgracefully at times, especially compared to the just stop oil, blm American funded lot! This guy, Charles Walker. Hero. I even emailed his office after this went out to thank him and ask him to keep up the good work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXtxOvH3pg
I am hopeful that Britain would be able to muster quite a back lash if we needed to, we still have a few politicians with some sense.
Great article again.
Beware they are coming for London: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2012/08/meet-the-london-hub/
Quote : ‘But London as a city is at a crossroads; our banking system is being called into question and, as the riots last year showed, we have challenging social issues. The question is, how can we harness the participation seen at the games and the wealth of innovation, optimism and skills of Generation Y to achieve significant social change?’
Note them calling it ‘ours’ and ‘we’, notice them using the blm ‘riots’ as justification for their social change.
Also note that they are unfortunately working with what was one of the best universities in this country, Imperial are publishing stuff to the wef website, remember where the covid stats came from? https://www.weforum.org/organizations/imperial-college-london
The articles on their website, will make you feel that actual torture would be preferable, they are even telling us what OUR young people want, how OUR businesses should run:
‘Your organization doesn’t have to be non-profit or mission-based to be driven by purpose. For example, our company, Donut, exists to help people create meaningful connections in their workplaces through interpersonal bonds or tackling societal issues.
Values can live in how work gets done, the benefits you offer, or how you speak up about specific causes. From employing actively inclusive hiring practices to hosting company-wide volunteer initiatives, showing that your company cares about making the world a better place creates an inclusive environment for Gen Z and beyond… ‘ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/gen-z-truly-want-from-workplace-work-values/
All of that, sounds designed to murder SMEs, raising problems that aren’t problems and that are already addressed by stringent employment law: ‘actively inclusive hiring practices’, its not enough to make your own living now either your business should also show it cares about ‘making the world a better place’ there’s so much wrong with that article I haven’t time to shred it as I’d like to. Would add I like how they paint the ‘mission based non profits’ (normally an acronym for evil tax dodging bast*rds) as the marvellous saints of business. Ugh. Rage.
They are everywhere, like a bad smell. I feel all angry and militant after half an hour on their website 🙂
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.
I’m definitely concerned by any political organisations – either UK or Global – grabbing more power to dictate to us, to control us
The disastrous global response to the pandemic just shows how dangerous these people are… please god don’t give them more power.
But this has nothing to do with Beveridge who was definitely naive to think the NHS would ‘cure all disease and save money’ but had nothing to do with global political control of the world population.
“Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.”
I think one of the challenges for the authors in this series about the Beveridge reforms is that the world has changed in ways Beveridge couldn’t have imagined, and the reforms he initiated have created unintended consequences. Arguably, focusing on Beveridge’s goals and worldview at the time of his reforms would tell us little about the welfare state today.
The NHS, for example, can’t be viewed in a bubble as a national health system. It is, as the author notes, part of of a supranational health care enterprise that is increasingly controlled by unelected bodies such as the WHO. Their policies now effectively govern many decisions regarding the NHS and other nations’ health systems.
What I hope to get from this series of articles is how Beveridge’s original goals should be reimagined and reimplemented in a world vastly different from the one that existed eighty years ago.
Indeed, the best – the only – way to start the dreaded reform process is to return to those first principles outlined by Beveridge, and create a debate around what they actually mean today. It seems there’s an impasse which prevents proper but desperately needed national debate, but identifying a start point is essential to break the Gordian Knot.
Indeed, the best – the only – way to start the dreaded reform process is to return to those first principles outlined by Beveridge, and create a debate around what they actually mean today. It seems there’s an impasse which prevents proper but desperately needed national debate, but identifying a start point is essential to break the Gordian Knot.
“Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.”
I think one of the challenges for the authors in this series about the Beveridge reforms is that the world has changed in ways Beveridge couldn’t have imagined, and the reforms he initiated have created unintended consequences. Arguably, focusing on Beveridge’s goals and worldview at the time of his reforms would tell us little about the welfare state today.
The NHS, for example, can’t be viewed in a bubble as a national health system. It is, as the author notes, part of of a supranational health care enterprise that is increasingly controlled by unelected bodies such as the WHO. Their policies now effectively govern many decisions regarding the NHS and other nations’ health systems.
What I hope to get from this series of articles is how Beveridge’s original goals should be reimagined and reimplemented in a world vastly different from the one that existed eighty years ago.
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.
I’m definitely concerned by any political organisations – either UK or Global – grabbing more power to dictate to us, to control us
The disastrous global response to the pandemic just shows how dangerous these people are… please god don’t give them more power.
But this has nothing to do with Beveridge who was definitely naive to think the NHS would ‘cure all disease and save money’ but had nothing to do with global political control of the world population.
John Riordan
1 year ago
“The pandemic has also shown that our increasingly digitised reality hasn’t suppressed humans’ basic need for physical connectedness, intimacy, nature — not in everyone, at least. The battle between the human and post-human therefore seems far from over. If introducing a biostate is the answer to Beveridge’s second Giant, it doesn’t seem like a very convincing one.”
It’s all a bit bleak of course, but the final paragraph does offer hope. And what’s important about the final paragraph is that it omits the most important factor here: the pandemic was an economic disaster as well as a political fiasco. As an experimental exercise, it proved that personal liberty is not some luxury that can be safely discarded by elites in pursuit of a dirigiste digital utopia: liberty is both the product and the driver of that portion of an advanced economy that raises it above the middle-income trap.
In other words it doesn’t matter now dearly technocrats may wish to regiment us all into obedient drones, any successful eradication of the spontaneity that is essential to personal liberty will also destroy the economic vibrancy upon which the legitimacy of the technocrats rests.
Well, that’s my theory, anyway. It is backed up by the evidence from authoritarian regimes throughout history to a great extent, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a formula for economic success for dirigiste political systems that could be enabled by emergent technological progress. We must hope that in the event we face this danger, that sanity prevails.
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John Riordan
1 year ago
“The pandemic has also shown that our increasingly digitised reality hasn’t suppressed humans’ basic need for physical connectedness, intimacy, nature — not in everyone, at least. The battle between the human and post-human therefore seems far from over. If introducing a biostate is the answer to Beveridge’s second Giant, it doesn’t seem like a very convincing one.”
It’s all a bit bleak of course, but the final paragraph does offer hope. And what’s important about the final paragraph is that it omits the most important factor here: the pandemic was an economic disaster as well as a political fiasco. As an experimental exercise, it proved that personal liberty is not some luxury that can be safely discarded by elites in pursuit of a dirigiste digital utopia: liberty is both the product and the driver of that portion of an advanced economy that raises it above the middle-income trap.
In other words it doesn’t matter now dearly technocrats may wish to regiment us all into obedient drones, any successful eradication of the spontaneity that is essential to personal liberty will also destroy the economic vibrancy upon which the legitimacy of the technocrats rests.
Well, that’s my theory, anyway. It is backed up by the evidence from authoritarian regimes throughout history to a great extent, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a formula for economic success for dirigiste political systems that could be enabled by emergent technological progress. We must hope that in the event we face this danger, that sanity prevails.
Are you still struggling Mr Stanhope? Rude, rude, rude. This is a weird platform.
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
I note the wretched censor has been busy again!
Edwina Addington
1 year ago
Provocative article. However, it would be good if technology could get us fair results in elections. Interesting article about the “difficulty” that local councils will face at local elections next year.An accident waiting to happen? Voter ID in the 2023 English local elections report published by supporters of constitutional reform suggests today.https://consoc.org.uk/publications/john-ault-report/
A survey commissioned by the Constitution Society found that a significant number of councils were not confident that they could train staff to deal with the new voter ID requirements before next May.
The average expectation among election staff is that 16% of voters will apply for the new voter authority certificate that will be issued to people who cannot produce a passport, driving licence, freedom pass or other approved photographic identification at the polling station.
Voters who need the new certificate — to be securely printed on a single sheet of A4 — will be able to apply as late as six working days before the election. The Constitution Society report says that will mean potentially millions of applications, all of which will have to be approved by officials and posted by a central authority ahead of polling day — or collected before the polls close.
Seventy councils responded to the Constitution Society survey, conducted by Dr John Ault, an experienced elections observer.
Asked whether they were confident they could train staff to check ID and ensure that those entitled could vote, 45% of the councils said they were either “not at all confident” or “not so confident”. Indeed, 57% said they were “very worried” or “extremely worried”.
Every single election administrator thought the Election Act 2022 would make their job harder. Half said the new requirements would make their task “more difficult” and the other half said it would become “much more difficult”.
Next year’s elections in England see the most significant change to the way we run elections in over a century. Voters will need to show one of the required forms of ID or apply for one of the new voter cards.
Many voters will simply need to produce a bus pass. That should not take much longer than announcing their name and address, as they must do at present. Checking a voter’s face against photograph should not take much time either. But there will be delays when people arrive without suitable identification. A woman who normally covers her face may not want a man to check her identity.
Voters who lose their photo ID documents will be able to apply for the appointment of an emergency proxy until 5pm on polling day. Electoral registration officers will be allowed to issue emergency photo IDs.
Edwina Addington
1 year ago
Provocative article. However, it would be good if technology could get us fair results in elections. Interesting article about the “difficulty” that local councils will face at local elections next year.An accident waiting to happen? Voter ID in the 2023 English local elections report published by supporters of constitutional reform suggests today.https://consoc.org.uk/publications/john-ault-report/
A survey commissioned by the Constitution Society found that a significant number of councils were not confident that they could train staff to deal with the new voter ID requirements before next May.
The average expectation among election staff is that 16% of voters will apply for the new voter authority certificate that will be issued to people who cannot produce a passport, driving licence, freedom pass or other approved photographic identification at the polling station.
Voters who need the new certificate — to be securely printed on a single sheet of A4 — will be able to apply as late as six working days before the election. The Constitution Society report says that will mean potentially millions of applications, all of which will have to be approved by officials and posted by a central authority ahead of polling day — or collected before the polls close.
Seventy councils responded to the Constitution Society survey, conducted by Dr John Ault, an experienced elections observer.
Asked whether they were confident they could train staff to check ID and ensure that those entitled could vote, 45% of the councils said they were either “not at all confident” or “not so confident”. Indeed, 57% said they were “very worried” or “extremely worried”.
Every single election administrator thought the Election Act 2022 would make their job harder. Half said the new requirements would make their task “more difficult” and the other half said it would become “much more difficult”.
Next year’s elections in England see the most significant change to the way we run elections in over a century. Voters will need to show one of the required forms of ID or apply for one of the new voter cards.
Many voters will simply need to produce a bus pass. That should not take much longer than announcing their name and address, as they must do at present. Checking a voter’s face against photograph should not take much time either. But there will be delays when people arrive without suitable identification. A woman who normally covers her face may not want a man to check her identity.
Voters who lose their photo ID documents will be able to apply for the appointment of an emergency proxy until 5pm on polling day. Electoral registration officers will be allowed to issue emergency photo IDs.
Edward De Beukelaer
1 year ago
As Dr Aseem Malhotra so well explained in his speech during the personalised medicine conference in June 22 in London: we and most of the medical profession do not know that we do not know that the current medical system, and all that comes with, it is the result of investment decisions for returns (there a are a few BMJ articles that support this view and a report by Goldman Sachs on the motives of Pharma of 2019). This ‘movement’ started mid last century and is now so much part of our reality that most cannot see this. Any discussions within this thinking will lead to nothing but discussions within this thinking. The only way to get out of this mess is to stop thinking in illness and prevention of illness, and start asking: how can we create wellness and health, how can treat patients to improve their health rather than reduces symptoms or illness. This will need for the research community to start asking questions they are not used to asking, also for fear to fall out of favour… The NHS, other national health systems and universities are incapable of doing this for now and are therefore part of the problem rather than the solution.
Edward De Beukelaer
1 year ago
As Dr Aseem Malhotra so well explained in his speech during the personalised medicine conference in June 22 in London: we and most of the medical profession do not know that we do not know that the current medical system, and all that comes with, it is the result of investment decisions for returns (there a are a few BMJ articles that support this view and a report by Goldman Sachs on the motives of Pharma of 2019). This ‘movement’ started mid last century and is now so much part of our reality that most cannot see this. Any discussions within this thinking will lead to nothing but discussions within this thinking. The only way to get out of this mess is to stop thinking in illness and prevention of illness, and start asking: how can we create wellness and health, how can treat patients to improve their health rather than reduces symptoms or illness. This will need for the research community to start asking questions they are not used to asking, also for fear to fall out of favour… The NHS, other national health systems and universities are incapable of doing this for now and are therefore part of the problem rather than the solution.
Robert Eagle
1 year ago
What a paranoid rant. Please don’t cough in my face
The answer really is to test the system on one K.Schwab. Let everyone in the world have access to his biometrics and other personal data
Perry de Havilland
10 months ago
“Beveridge’s vision for public health has been perverted”
No, Beveridge’s vision for public health has been taken to it’s utterly predictable conclusion. The NHS is and always was a terrible idea.
Bill Ellson
1 year ago
“Beveridge’s notion of public health”
Beveridge’s notion was that if the, by then decades old, idea of a national health service was implemented workers would be restored to health and claim fewer benefits. ~~~ Beveridge: Assumption B. Comprehensive Health And Rehabilitation Services
The NHS was never intended to be “something meant to liberate human beings from the threat of disease”. Like many others before, Fazi has confused the establishment of the NHS with the general availability of antibiotics.
Smallpox vaccination was made compulsory in England in 1852. The phrase ‘national health service’ was coined by biochemistry professor Benjamin Moore in 1911, but he wanted to segregate TB sufferers rather than establish any sort of universal care.
Public Health has always involved a trade off between the rights of individuals and the welfare of the general population. Tin foil hatted twaddle about the ‘The Great Reset’ adds nothing to any debate.
Hi Bill, a personal question: have you had your fourth Covid shot? If yes, do you believe we all must receive the fourth Covid shot? If so, what must happen to those who believe they shouldn’t receive the fourth Covid shot, or their children?
Hi Charles, after homework decided to pass and explained why to friends and family who believed I was tin hat or down a rabbit hole. To my mind, telling was that not one of them took the trouble to understand my reasons which, I believe, speaks to Brett H’s point above about how the world ends (‘with a whimper’, quoting Eliot’s ‘The hollow men’). Reference: hendrikmentz.com
Hi Charles, after homework decided to pass and explained why to friends and family who believed I was tin hat or down a rabbit hole. To my mind, telling was that not one of them took the trouble to understand my reasons which, I believe, speaks to Brett H’s point above about how the world ends (‘with a whimper’, quoting Eliot’s ‘The hollow men’). Reference: hendrikmentz.com
You make some valid points about the origins of the NHS and Public Health. What makes your conclusion invalid is the far greater reach of technology as a means of controlling populations, something almost unimaginable prior to the advent of the microchip.
George Orwell, writing his dystopian novel as the NHS was born, wouldn’t have believed the potential scope of techno-reach into the lives of individuals, even as he alerted us to the perils of an ever-present authoritarianism.
However on a brighter note, the cretins of HMG did NOT manage to introduce ID cards during the great Scamdemic. It certainly looked like an ideal opportunity to introduce this pernicious device.
Perhaps the spirited performance by Lord Jonathan Sumption KS & others dissuaded ‘them’ on this particular occasion?
I was ambivalent about it. Having great respect for Lord Sumption’s intellect, i read his thoughts which were pretty much against the flow of the tide at the time and it gave me pause for thoughts of my own. I thought of being in the position of responsibility should the worst happen and hospitals did end up turning dying patients away (as we witnessed in India and to some extent in Italy), and whether – with that ultimate responsibility – the choices made by politicians might’ve been different. Sumption’s breaking of the dam of media manipulation was essential in retrospect, along with others.
So no, i didn’t view his articles as ghastly, but there was much less certainty around the virulence of the disease at that time.
I was ambivalent about it. Having great respect for Lord Sumption’s intellect, i read his thoughts which were pretty much against the flow of the tide at the time and it gave me pause for thoughts of my own. I thought of being in the position of responsibility should the worst happen and hospitals did end up turning dying patients away (as we witnessed in India and to some extent in Italy), and whether – with that ultimate responsibility – the choices made by politicians might’ve been different. Sumption’s breaking of the dam of media manipulation was essential in retrospect, along with others.
So no, i didn’t view his articles as ghastly, but there was much less certainty around the virulence of the disease at that time.
However on a brighter note, the cretins of HMG did NOT manage to introduce ID cards during the great Scamdemic. It certainly looked like an ideal opportunity to introduce this pernicious device.
Perhaps the spirited performance by Lord Jonathan Sumption KS & others dissuaded ‘them’ on this particular occasion?
There are still people here in the US who say the government should have shut down interstate travel at the beginning of the Covid panic and even that it should still be forbidden today. THESE are the kind of people who will eagerly give up their (and our) ordinary but crucial freedoms to get an illusory sense of safety that in real life doesn’t and could never exist. It’s anything but “tin-foil hatted twaddle about The Great Reset” when already powerful people are using exactly that term to describe and justify giving unelected bureaucrats even more power over us. Smallpox, TB and polio and such legitimately horrible diseases may justify some carefully monitored and managed government coercive power, but Covid showed us that the bureaucrats are now happy to exaggerate the threat of a disease in order to expand their authority over us. Bureaucrats have ever been thus. Wannabe despots have learned that the new route to power is to tell us it’s for our own safety. (See China right now.)
Hi Bill, a personal question: have you had your fourth Covid shot? If yes, do you believe we all must receive the fourth Covid shot? If so, what must happen to those who believe they shouldn’t receive the fourth Covid shot, or their children?
You make some valid points about the origins of the NHS and Public Health. What makes your conclusion invalid is the far greater reach of technology as a means of controlling populations, something almost unimaginable prior to the advent of the microchip.
George Orwell, writing his dystopian novel as the NHS was born, wouldn’t have believed the potential scope of techno-reach into the lives of individuals, even as he alerted us to the perils of an ever-present authoritarianism.
There are still people here in the US who say the government should have shut down interstate travel at the beginning of the Covid panic and even that it should still be forbidden today. THESE are the kind of people who will eagerly give up their (and our) ordinary but crucial freedoms to get an illusory sense of safety that in real life doesn’t and could never exist. It’s anything but “tin-foil hatted twaddle about The Great Reset” when already powerful people are using exactly that term to describe and justify giving unelected bureaucrats even more power over us. Smallpox, TB and polio and such legitimately horrible diseases may justify some carefully monitored and managed government coercive power, but Covid showed us that the bureaucrats are now happy to exaggerate the threat of a disease in order to expand their authority over us. Bureaucrats have ever been thus. Wannabe despots have learned that the new route to power is to tell us it’s for our own safety. (See China right now.)
Bill Ellson
1 year ago
“Beveridge’s notion of public health”
Beveridge’s notion was that if the, by then decades old, idea of a national health service was implemented workers would be restored to health and claim fewer benefits. ~~~ Beveridge: Assumption B. Comprehensive Health And Rehabilitation Services
The NHS was never intended to be “something meant to liberate human beings from the threat of disease”. Like many others before, Fazi has confused the establishment of the NHS with the general availability of antibiotics.
Smallpox vaccination was made compulsory in England in 1852. The phrase ‘national health service’ was coined by biochemistry professor Benjamin Moore in 1911, but he wanted to segregate TB sufferers rather than establish any sort of universal care.
Public Health has always involved a trade off between the rights of individuals and the welfare of the general population. Tin foil hatted twaddle about the ‘The Great Reset’ adds nothing to any debate.
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Chris W
1 year ago
This topic is getting boring. Can we have a new one please?
Chris W
1 year ago
This topic is getting boring. Can we have a new one please?
The WHO is doing two separate but related things 1. Revising the 2005 International Health Regulations (IHR), and 2. Devising, via an international Negotiating Body (INB) an entirely new “WHO convention, agreement or other international instrument on pandemic prevention, preparedness and response”. The INB agreed in July that this should be legally binding. The significance is that the latter could have a broader scope than the former, it’s more about substance than process: they have agreed a “whole-of-government and whole-of-society” approach is needed. They INB is meeting again in Geneva, next week, to progress their draft.
A lot could be said about this but one thing it is important to understand is that the WHO has decided that representatives of hundreds (I count nearly 400) of “stakeholders” – including the philanthrocapitalists and direct representatives of the pharma, tech, and other big industries – should in both cases be invited to attend and to speak at working group meetings tasked with working up the amendments and the draft agreement, and to have the ability to send written comments on draft documentation.
The WHO’s Executive Board also decided in January of this year that there should, before each annual meeting (usually held in May) of its governing body, the World Health Assembly, that an “informal pre-meeting for interested non-State actors in official relations [that is, big pharma and the “philanthrocapitalists”], Member States and the Secretariat will be organized annually during the four to six weeks before the World Health Assembly”.
The WHO is actually quite transparent about its *formal* meetings. You can go on the website and read all of the agendas, papers, and meeting reports, including to observe how drafts discussed in formal working groups evolve into final agreements, though you cannot see who, exactly, attended and said what at each meeting. Informal meetings, like the unprecedented one that (presumably) took place before this year’s WHA, are held entirely in secret. One purpose of this would be to iron out any differences in private so as to be able to present a stitched up false sense of unanimity between governments and stakeholders in public. And that’s what we got in May – lots of hand clapping, backslapping, and near-universal agreement on the need for a “One Health” based treaty (even if a package of amendments to the IHR proposed by the US and others were largely rejected – forging agreements still take time).
It’s now up to individuals across the world to stay calm, do our homework, and help each other as best we can to understand what’s happening and, if we think it is wrong, to push back against it with a deliberate, focused determination, avoiding the rabbit holes that it is so easy to fall down or falling out with others over points of detail or personality. If we make honest factual or analytical mistakes we should be very quick to acknowledge them, and be extremely gracious if we believe others to have erred – there is no room for big egos.
For many, this will involve overcoming a fear-barrier to acknowledge just how corrupted many global and national institutions have become: yes they really are attempting a Great Reset (they’ve written books on it for goodness sake!), and yes they really do want a digital global bio-security system (they’ve said so at G20 meetings!). There’s no need to assume any evil or malicious intent, or “conspiracy”: there is little doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the actors involved have genuinely convinced themselves that they are doing the right and moral thing even if that just happens to coincide with an enormous self-interest, a profoundly human thing to do if ever there was one.
Great points about tackling the issues and not the person, as evidenced already in Comments to this article.
Excellent, informative comment. Thank you.
Great points about tackling the issues and not the person, as evidenced already in Comments to this article.
Excellent, informative comment. Thank you.
The WHO is doing two separate but related things 1. Revising the 2005 International Health Regulations (IHR), and 2. Devising, via an international Negotiating Body (INB) an entirely new “WHO convention, agreement or other international instrument on pandemic prevention, preparedness and response”. The INB agreed in July that this should be legally binding. The significance is that the latter could have a broader scope than the former, it’s more about substance than process: they have agreed a “whole-of-government and whole-of-society” approach is needed. They INB is meeting again in Geneva, next week, to progress their draft.
A lot could be said about this but one thing it is important to understand is that the WHO has decided that representatives of hundreds (I count nearly 400) of “stakeholders” – including the philanthrocapitalists and direct representatives of the pharma, tech, and other big industries – should in both cases be invited to attend and to speak at working group meetings tasked with working up the amendments and the draft agreement, and to have the ability to send written comments on draft documentation.
The WHO’s Executive Board also decided in January of this year that there should, before each annual meeting (usually held in May) of its governing body, the World Health Assembly, that an “informal pre-meeting for interested non-State actors in official relations [that is, big pharma and the “philanthrocapitalists”], Member States and the Secretariat will be organized annually during the four to six weeks before the World Health Assembly”.
The WHO is actually quite transparent about its *formal* meetings. You can go on the website and read all of the agendas, papers, and meeting reports, including to observe how drafts discussed in formal working groups evolve into final agreements, though you cannot see who, exactly, attended and said what at each meeting. Informal meetings, like the unprecedented one that (presumably) took place before this year’s WHA, are held entirely in secret. One purpose of this would be to iron out any differences in private so as to be able to present a stitched up false sense of unanimity between governments and stakeholders in public. And that’s what we got in May – lots of hand clapping, backslapping, and near-universal agreement on the need for a “One Health” based treaty (even if a package of amendments to the IHR proposed by the US and others were largely rejected – forging agreements still take time).
It’s now up to individuals across the world to stay calm, do our homework, and help each other as best we can to understand what’s happening and, if we think it is wrong, to push back against it with a deliberate, focused determination, avoiding the rabbit holes that it is so easy to fall down or falling out with others over points of detail or personality. If we make honest factual or analytical mistakes we should be very quick to acknowledge them, and be extremely gracious if we believe others to have erred – there is no room for big egos.
For many, this will involve overcoming a fear-barrier to acknowledge just how corrupted many global and national institutions have become: yes they really are attempting a Great Reset (they’ve written books on it for goodness sake!), and yes they really do want a digital global bio-security system (they’ve said so at G20 meetings!). There’s no need to assume any evil or malicious intent, or “conspiracy”: there is little doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the actors involved have genuinely convinced themselves that they are doing the right and moral thing even if that just happens to coincide with an enormous self-interest, a profoundly human thing to do if ever there was one.
This story has some connection to the earlier story about Humanism. Do people consider themselves to be free agents. Even though they live with the give and take of their community are they aware of such a concept? Or do they see themselves as something that just drifts back and forward with the tide, not so much victims as passive forms with a limited understanding of what it is to be alive. I think people are dangerously undereducated and hardly aware of the tacit approval they give to those who will use them.
Your last sentence is the clincher – people seem to vote for people without knowing anything about the politics and they would not be interested in learning, using some excuse like, “I’m too busy to listen to all that.” People on Unherd don’t seem to realise how privileged they are to be able to write a reasoned argument. Unherders probably represent less than 1% of the population.
The best use for this site is for everyone to stop criticising things they don’t like and to start coming up with alternatives. How many articles do we have which just blame everything on the party in power? It is electorate which is the real problem.
Yup, in a democracy the buck stops with the electorate. They voted for it!
Not in the US. Our elections are rigged.
Not any more. Unelected bureaucrats, NGO’s and large multinational corporations run things. Do you honestly think that the current POTUS even has a clue about what’s going on? He was supposedly “elected” by the people, but he is merely a puppet sitting on top of a Trojan horse.
Not in the US. Our elections are rigged.
Not any more. Unelected bureaucrats, NGO’s and large multinational corporations run things. Do you honestly think that the current POTUS even has a clue about what’s going on? He was supposedly “elected” by the people, but he is merely a puppet sitting on top of a Trojan horse.
Have to disagree a bit there, our elected government was felled by a press frenzy, lizz truss by ‘the markets’ the electorates power has been eroded, almost beyond comprehension, by multi national corporate interests.
Now it is probably up to the electorate to realise this and do something about it, but you must bear in mind the WEF is enormous, well funded, global. This is the biggest problem.
I think we should address the terrifying nature of the Bio-State explored by the author in this excellent article. It exists! It is not a theory. Lockdown saw our elected government surrender authoritarian power to an unholy alliance of monolithic failing NHS, a Leftist BBC & OFCOM bent on inducing Orwellian style hysteria to make us bow and protect a State institution, and an army of dodgy self enriching scientific academics also committed to self enrichment and lies. Our human rights to freedom or debate? Gone in a moment. This Medical Industrial Complex is still there eager to assert its control over our lives even as the self destruction of a now broken NHS in ignoring all disease bar Covid is literally killing us. But hey – Beveridge was into eugenics…it sort of makes sense. Because all our hapless political parties, brazen media and silent law (humsn rights anyone? Pah) summoned this monster collectively, no one is being urged to fight the new born Bio State. So it will spread its wings further. We have been warned.
Yes I know the WEF exist, and I know WHO exist, however the rest of your post is based on assumption. And assumption is the mother of all f*** ups.
I think myself that the world is too big and complicated for the WEF to hold COMPLETE power. Now they have a lot of influence, but not all the influence. If you’ve followed the conspiracy rabbit holes for a long time you will be aware that organisations like the trilateral commission, the un, cia, rockerfeller, Clinton foundations were marked out as the spawning home of evil by conspiracy theorists long before the WEF took the crown. Or people even started talking about it. So which is it?
People have picked up just the WEF as the home of all this stuff because schwabb is all over the Internet and written a book talking about it. (deflecting from the un, trilateral etc. that will be the real people holding on to power) Now if you were an evil mastermind would you reveal your plan?
In doing this he has made the WEF the target of everyones mistrust, I can’t help but feel this is too easy. Edit to say in that he has been visably schmoosing all our leaders. Now if the WEF and their multiple associates wants everyone chipped and passported what’s the easiest way to go about it? You get them to overthrow their own governments, you make it look like every politician is bought, every existing institution useless, you subject them to a pandemic and then blackouts to really rile them up then off they go. They destroy their existing governments, institutions, then you, the rich guy, using your money and media influences install your own people. By this point the country would a shit tip, if we were at war with China at the same time our supply chains would have collapsed. So then you need a thing to get your rations, you need a thing to get your UBI etc. etc. Currency would have crashed by this point there’s your CBDC and there you have it. Easy. Everyone ID carded, all the old democratic and educational establishments gone, WEF winner.
So I will not stop defending our parliament or universities as long as people like Charles Walker, Kathleen stock exist. We must not let them trick us into thinking anything else is the problem apart from multi national corporate interests.
Now I hate the WEF, I hate its propaganda, but it is not the ONLY power in this world, that it wants a biostate and has enough money to throw at trying to get there I don’t doubt, but you are being simplistic. And I know for a fact your the guy I saw the other day calling nurses ‘enemies in the fog’ so if its OK, I won’t take you too seriously.
Will add, to all the people I’ve been anti warring out there, this is the main reason I object to it, the carnage it would cause would be perfect to introduce things like UBI and Cbdcs. Benefit enormous multinational companies involved in the arms industry.
Edit to also say all of the above is just how I see it, you’ve no need to take me too seriously either 🙂
And one more edit cos I love this topic 🙂 Parallel theory also could be China own WHO and the WEF, they started the pandemic, hyped it up, have been deliberately bottle necking shipping to cause inflation, they might be backing russia in Ukraine, they could be relying on the energy crisis and stalled shipping to help tank the west, let us tear ourselves apart and save them the trouble and its just a big old war game? Point is, no one knows.
Another one I like is covid was fire drill for the carnage coming our way if we do end up embroiled in ww3.
All theories. We are scant on facts in this age of information, we have to be very careful. I’m done now.
And actually I’m not, this document, produced by the American intelligence services, linked to the people like the trilateral commission that somehow evade all this stuff on account of WEF is worth a read. It’s the real deal, and it’s based on series of different scenarios depending on how Geopolitics plays out. More realistic than old klaus schwabs book. It’s 140 pages, but honestly, if you read nothing else, have a look.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home
Report: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/GlobalTrends_2040.pdf
Does highlight the importance of an open mind.
Will add, to all the people I’ve been anti warring out there, this is the main reason I object to it, the carnage it would cause would be perfect to introduce things like UBI and Cbdcs. Benefit enormous multinational companies involved in the arms industry.
Edit to also say all of the above is just how I see it, you’ve no need to take me too seriously either 🙂
And one more edit cos I love this topic 🙂 Parallel theory also could be China own WHO and the WEF, they started the pandemic, hyped it up, have been deliberately bottle necking shipping to cause inflation, they might be backing russia in Ukraine, they could be relying on the energy crisis and stalled shipping to help tank the west, let us tear ourselves apart and save them the trouble and its just a big old war game? Point is, no one knows.
Another one I like is covid was fire drill for the carnage coming our way if we do end up embroiled in ww3.
All theories. We are scant on facts in this age of information, we have to be very careful. I’m done now.
And actually I’m not, this document, produced by the American intelligence services, linked to the people like the trilateral commission that somehow evade all this stuff on account of WEF is worth a read. It’s the real deal, and it’s based on series of different scenarios depending on how Geopolitics plays out. More realistic than old klaus schwabs book. It’s 140 pages, but honestly, if you read nothing else, have a look.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home
Report: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/GlobalTrends_2040.pdf
Does highlight the importance of an open mind.
Also Mr Walter Marvell, it was the NHS workers here that protested, successfully, against mandatory vaccination, so give up your NHS trope, some of our doctors and nurses have been absolute hero’s in speaking up against it. Our freedom of debate hasn’t quite been completely nullified but if we are stupid enough to destroy our existing parliament it will be. It did not serve the Conservative government well at all locking down, if you were following closely it was obvious by the time we did, the government had no choice, they were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. The media is a massive problem, if anything, direct your vitriol at them.
Yes I know the WEF exist, and I know WHO exist, however the rest of your post is based on assumption. And assumption is the mother of all f*** ups.
I think myself that the world is too big and complicated for the WEF to hold COMPLETE power. Now they have a lot of influence, but not all the influence. If you’ve followed the conspiracy rabbit holes for a long time you will be aware that organisations like the trilateral commission, the un, cia, rockerfeller, Clinton foundations were marked out as the spawning home of evil by conspiracy theorists long before the WEF took the crown. Or people even started talking about it. So which is it?
People have picked up just the WEF as the home of all this stuff because schwabb is all over the Internet and written a book talking about it. (deflecting from the un, trilateral etc. that will be the real people holding on to power) Now if you were an evil mastermind would you reveal your plan?
In doing this he has made the WEF the target of everyones mistrust, I can’t help but feel this is too easy. Edit to say in that he has been visably schmoosing all our leaders. Now if the WEF and their multiple associates wants everyone chipped and passported what’s the easiest way to go about it? You get them to overthrow their own governments, you make it look like every politician is bought, every existing institution useless, you subject them to a pandemic and then blackouts to really rile them up then off they go. They destroy their existing governments, institutions, then you, the rich guy, using your money and media influences install your own people. By this point the country would a shit tip, if we were at war with China at the same time our supply chains would have collapsed. So then you need a thing to get your rations, you need a thing to get your UBI etc. etc. Currency would have crashed by this point there’s your CBDC and there you have it. Easy. Everyone ID carded, all the old democratic and educational establishments gone, WEF winner.
So I will not stop defending our parliament or universities as long as people like Charles Walker, Kathleen stock exist. We must not let them trick us into thinking anything else is the problem apart from multi national corporate interests.
Now I hate the WEF, I hate its propaganda, but it is not the ONLY power in this world, that it wants a biostate and has enough money to throw at trying to get there I don’t doubt, but you are being simplistic. And I know for a fact your the guy I saw the other day calling nurses ‘enemies in the fog’ so if its OK, I won’t take you too seriously.
Also Mr Walter Marvell, it was the NHS workers here that protested, successfully, against mandatory vaccination, so give up your NHS trope, some of our doctors and nurses have been absolute hero’s in speaking up against it. Our freedom of debate hasn’t quite been completely nullified but if we are stupid enough to destroy our existing parliament it will be. It did not serve the Conservative government well at all locking down, if you were following closely it was obvious by the time we did, the government had no choice, they were damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. The media is a massive problem, if anything, direct your vitriol at them.
I think we should address the terrifying nature of the Bio-State explored by the author in this excellent article. It exists! It is not a theory. Lockdown saw our elected government surrender authoritarian power to an unholy alliance of monolithic failing NHS, a Leftist BBC & OFCOM bent on inducing Orwellian style hysteria to make us bow and protect a State institution, and an army of dodgy self enriching scientific academics also committed to self enrichment and lies. Our human rights to freedom or debate? Gone in a moment. This Medical Industrial Complex is still there eager to assert its control over our lives even as the self destruction of a now broken NHS in ignoring all disease bar Covid is literally killing us. But hey – Beveridge was into eugenics…it sort of makes sense. Because all our hapless political parties, brazen media and silent law (humsn rights anyone? Pah) summoned this monster collectively, no one is being urged to fight the new born Bio State. So it will spread its wings further. We have been warned.
Blaming the electorate seems rather off target here. A bunch of highly privileged elites with little or no democratic legitimacy stitches up a future they feel desirable that most people don’t even know about? The buck stops with them. You can’t expect and I’d say shouldn’t even desire everyone to become political obsessives. Political fanaticism – which obsession often morphs into – does not have a notably good track record. One of the very good things about Britain was the fact that most people weren’t all that interested in politics, though we have a vibrant non political civic society.
Yup, in a democracy the buck stops with the electorate. They voted for it!
Have to disagree a bit there, our elected government was felled by a press frenzy, lizz truss by ‘the markets’ the electorates power has been eroded, almost beyond comprehension, by multi national corporate interests.
Now it is probably up to the electorate to realise this and do something about it, but you must bear in mind the WEF is enormous, well funded, global. This is the biggest problem.
Blaming the electorate seems rather off target here. A bunch of highly privileged elites with little or no democratic legitimacy stitches up a future they feel desirable that most people don’t even know about? The buck stops with them. You can’t expect and I’d say shouldn’t even desire everyone to become political obsessives. Political fanaticism – which obsession often morphs into – does not have a notably good track record. One of the very good things about Britain was the fact that most people weren’t all that interested in politics, though we have a vibrant non political civic society.
Your last sentence is the clincher – people seem to vote for people without knowing anything about the politics and they would not be interested in learning, using some excuse like, “I’m too busy to listen to all that.” People on Unherd don’t seem to realise how privileged they are to be able to write a reasoned argument. Unherders probably represent less than 1% of the population.
The best use for this site is for everyone to stop criticising things they don’t like and to start coming up with alternatives. How many articles do we have which just blame everything on the party in power? It is electorate which is the real problem.
This story has some connection to the earlier story about Humanism. Do people consider themselves to be free agents. Even though they live with the give and take of their community are they aware of such a concept? Or do they see themselves as something that just drifts back and forward with the tide, not so much victims as passive forms with a limited understanding of what it is to be alive. I think people are dangerously undereducated and hardly aware of the tacit approval they give to those who will use them.
Personally, I would make resisting cbdcs, mandatory vaccination and global health ID cards my Hill to die on. My daughter will not be a slave to the mega Corp blob if I can help it. If they try it, expect to see me on BBC news, attempting to drive a borrowed tractor through parliament 🙂 hope you politicians are listening, I’d let you out first, but if you are going to enthrall us to the wef, parliament would be superfluous anyway.
The last anti lockdown protesters were treated disgracefully at times, especially compared to the just stop oil, blm American funded lot! This guy, Charles Walker. Hero. I even emailed his office after this went out to thank him and ask him to keep up the good work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXtxOvH3pg
I am hopeful that Britain would be able to muster quite a back lash if we needed to, we still have a few politicians with some sense.
Great article again.
Beware they are coming for London:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2012/08/meet-the-london-hub/
Quote : ‘But London as a city is at a crossroads; our banking system is being called into question and, as the riots last year showed, we have challenging social issues. The question is, how can we harness the participation seen at the games and the wealth of innovation, optimism and skills of Generation Y to achieve significant social change?’
Note them calling it ‘ours’ and ‘we’, notice them using the blm ‘riots’ as justification for their social change.
Also note that they are unfortunately working with what was one of the best universities in this country, Imperial are publishing stuff to the wef website, remember where the covid stats came from? https://www.weforum.org/organizations/imperial-college-london
The articles on their website, will make you feel that actual torture would be preferable, they are even telling us what OUR young people want, how OUR businesses should run:
‘Your organization doesn’t have to be non-profit or mission-based to be driven by purpose. For example, our company, Donut, exists to help people create meaningful connections in their workplaces through interpersonal bonds or tackling societal issues.
Values can live in how work gets done, the benefits you offer, or how you speak up about specific causes. From employing actively inclusive hiring practices to hosting company-wide volunteer initiatives, showing that your company cares about making the world a better place creates an inclusive environment for Gen Z and beyond… ‘
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/gen-z-truly-want-from-workplace-work-values/
All of that, sounds designed to murder SMEs, raising problems that aren’t problems and that are already addressed by stringent employment law: ‘actively inclusive hiring practices’, its not enough to make your own living now either your business should also show it cares about ‘making the world a better place’ there’s so much wrong with that article I haven’t time to shred it as I’d like to. Would add I like how they paint the ‘mission based non profits’ (normally an acronym for evil tax dodging bast*rds) as the marvellous saints of business. Ugh. Rage.
They are everywhere, like a bad smell. I feel all angry and militant after half an hour on their website 🙂
Personally, I would make resisting cbdcs, mandatory vaccination and global health ID cards my Hill to die on. My daughter will not be a slave to the mega Corp blob if I can help it. If they try it, expect to see me on BBC news, attempting to drive a borrowed tractor through parliament 🙂 hope you politicians are listening, I’d let you out first, but if you are going to enthrall us to the wef, parliament would be superfluous anyway.
The last anti lockdown protesters were treated disgracefully at times, especially compared to the just stop oil, blm American funded lot! This guy, Charles Walker. Hero. I even emailed his office after this went out to thank him and ask him to keep up the good work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXtxOvH3pg
I am hopeful that Britain would be able to muster quite a back lash if we needed to, we still have a few politicians with some sense.
Great article again.
Beware they are coming for London:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2012/08/meet-the-london-hub/
Quote : ‘But London as a city is at a crossroads; our banking system is being called into question and, as the riots last year showed, we have challenging social issues. The question is, how can we harness the participation seen at the games and the wealth of innovation, optimism and skills of Generation Y to achieve significant social change?’
Note them calling it ‘ours’ and ‘we’, notice them using the blm ‘riots’ as justification for their social change.
Also note that they are unfortunately working with what was one of the best universities in this country, Imperial are publishing stuff to the wef website, remember where the covid stats came from? https://www.weforum.org/organizations/imperial-college-london
The articles on their website, will make you feel that actual torture would be preferable, they are even telling us what OUR young people want, how OUR businesses should run:
‘Your organization doesn’t have to be non-profit or mission-based to be driven by purpose. For example, our company, Donut, exists to help people create meaningful connections in their workplaces through interpersonal bonds or tackling societal issues.
Values can live in how work gets done, the benefits you offer, or how you speak up about specific causes. From employing actively inclusive hiring practices to hosting company-wide volunteer initiatives, showing that your company cares about making the world a better place creates an inclusive environment for Gen Z and beyond… ‘
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/11/gen-z-truly-want-from-workplace-work-values/
All of that, sounds designed to murder SMEs, raising problems that aren’t problems and that are already addressed by stringent employment law: ‘actively inclusive hiring practices’, its not enough to make your own living now either your business should also show it cares about ‘making the world a better place’ there’s so much wrong with that article I haven’t time to shred it as I’d like to. Would add I like how they paint the ‘mission based non profits’ (normally an acronym for evil tax dodging bast*rds) as the marvellous saints of business. Ugh. Rage.
They are everywhere, like a bad smell. I feel all angry and militant after half an hour on their website 🙂
Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.
I’m definitely concerned by any political organisations – either UK or Global – grabbing more power to dictate to us, to control us
The disastrous global response to the pandemic just shows how dangerous these people are… please god don’t give them more power.
But this has nothing to do with Beveridge who was definitely naive to think the NHS would ‘cure all disease and save money’ but had nothing to do with global political control of the world population.
“Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.”
I think one of the challenges for the authors in this series about the Beveridge reforms is that the world has changed in ways Beveridge couldn’t have imagined, and the reforms he initiated have created unintended consequences. Arguably, focusing on Beveridge’s goals and worldview at the time of his reforms would tell us little about the welfare state today.
The NHS, for example, can’t be viewed in a bubble as a national health system. It is, as the author notes, part of of a supranational health care enterprise that is increasingly controlled by unelected bodies such as the WHO. Their policies now effectively govern many decisions regarding the NHS and other nations’ health systems.
What I hope to get from this series of articles is how Beveridge’s original goals should be reimagined and reimplemented in a world vastly different from the one that existed eighty years ago.
Indeed, the best – the only – way to start the dreaded reform process is to return to those first principles outlined by Beveridge, and create a debate around what they actually mean today. It seems there’s an impasse which prevents proper but desperately needed national debate, but identifying a start point is essential to break the Gordian Knot.
Indeed, the best – the only – way to start the dreaded reform process is to return to those first principles outlined by Beveridge, and create a debate around what they actually mean today. It seems there’s an impasse which prevents proper but desperately needed national debate, but identifying a start point is essential to break the Gordian Knot.
“Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.”
I think one of the challenges for the authors in this series about the Beveridge reforms is that the world has changed in ways Beveridge couldn’t have imagined, and the reforms he initiated have created unintended consequences. Arguably, focusing on Beveridge’s goals and worldview at the time of his reforms would tell us little about the welfare state today.
The NHS, for example, can’t be viewed in a bubble as a national health system. It is, as the author notes, part of of a supranational health care enterprise that is increasingly controlled by unelected bodies such as the WHO. Their policies now effectively govern many decisions regarding the NHS and other nations’ health systems.
What I hope to get from this series of articles is how Beveridge’s original goals should be reimagined and reimplemented in a world vastly different from the one that existed eighty years ago.
Did I miss something – the first paragraph & the sub title (often written by an editor who hasn’t read the article!) – refer to Beveridge and then fail to mention him or his report again.
I’m definitely concerned by any political organisations – either UK or Global – grabbing more power to dictate to us, to control us
The disastrous global response to the pandemic just shows how dangerous these people are… please god don’t give them more power.
But this has nothing to do with Beveridge who was definitely naive to think the NHS would ‘cure all disease and save money’ but had nothing to do with global political control of the world population.
“The pandemic has also shown that our increasingly digitised reality hasn’t suppressed humans’ basic need for physical connectedness, intimacy, nature — not in everyone, at least. The battle between the human and post-human therefore seems far from over. If introducing a biostate is the answer to Beveridge’s second Giant, it doesn’t seem like a very convincing one.”
It’s all a bit bleak of course, but the final paragraph does offer hope. And what’s important about the final paragraph is that it omits the most important factor here: the pandemic was an economic disaster as well as a political fiasco. As an experimental exercise, it proved that personal liberty is not some luxury that can be safely discarded by elites in pursuit of a dirigiste digital utopia: liberty is both the product and the driver of that portion of an advanced economy that raises it above the middle-income trap.
In other words it doesn’t matter now dearly technocrats may wish to regiment us all into obedient drones, any successful eradication of the spontaneity that is essential to personal liberty will also destroy the economic vibrancy upon which the legitimacy of the technocrats rests.
Well, that’s my theory, anyway. It is backed up by the evidence from authoritarian regimes throughout history to a great extent, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a formula for economic success for dirigiste political systems that could be enabled by emergent technological progress. We must hope that in the event we face this danger, that sanity prevails.
“The pandemic has also shown that our increasingly digitised reality hasn’t suppressed humans’ basic need for physical connectedness, intimacy, nature — not in everyone, at least. The battle between the human and post-human therefore seems far from over. If introducing a biostate is the answer to Beveridge’s second Giant, it doesn’t seem like a very convincing one.”
It’s all a bit bleak of course, but the final paragraph does offer hope. And what’s important about the final paragraph is that it omits the most important factor here: the pandemic was an economic disaster as well as a political fiasco. As an experimental exercise, it proved that personal liberty is not some luxury that can be safely discarded by elites in pursuit of a dirigiste digital utopia: liberty is both the product and the driver of that portion of an advanced economy that raises it above the middle-income trap.
In other words it doesn’t matter now dearly technocrats may wish to regiment us all into obedient drones, any successful eradication of the spontaneity that is essential to personal liberty will also destroy the economic vibrancy upon which the legitimacy of the technocrats rests.
Well, that’s my theory, anyway. It is backed up by the evidence from authoritarian regimes throughout history to a great extent, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a formula for economic success for dirigiste political systems that could be enabled by emergent technological progress. We must hope that in the event we face this danger, that sanity prevails.
I note the wretched censor has been busy again!
Are you still struggling Mr Stanhope? Rude, rude, rude. This is a weird platform.
Are you still struggling Mr Stanhope? Rude, rude, rude. This is a weird platform.
I note the wretched censor has been busy again!
Provocative article. However, it would be good if technology could get us fair results in elections. Interesting article about the “difficulty” that local councils will face at local elections next year.An accident waiting to happen? Voter ID in the 2023 English local elections
report published by supporters of constitutional reform suggests today.https://consoc.org.uk/publications/john-ault-report/
A survey commissioned by the Constitution Society found that a significant number of councils were not confident that they could train staff to deal with the new voter ID requirements before next May.
The average expectation among election staff is that 16% of voters will apply for the new voter authority certificate that will be issued to people who cannot produce a passport, driving licence, freedom pass or other approved photographic identification at the polling station.
Voters who need the new certificate — to be securely printed on a single sheet of A4 — will be able to apply as late as six working days before the election. The Constitution Society report says that will mean potentially millions of applications, all of which will have to be approved by officials and posted by a central authority ahead of polling day — or collected before the polls close.
Seventy councils responded to the Constitution Society survey, conducted by Dr John Ault, an experienced elections observer.
Asked whether they were confident they could train staff to check ID and ensure that those entitled could vote, 45% of the councils said they were either “not at all confident” or “not so confident”. Indeed, 57% said they were “very worried” or “extremely worried”.
Every single election administrator thought the Election Act 2022 would make their job harder. Half said the new requirements would make their task “more difficult” and the other half said it would become “much more difficult”.
Next year’s elections in England see the most significant change to the way we run elections in over a century. Voters will need to show one of the required forms of ID or apply for one of the new voter cards.
Many voters will simply need to produce a bus pass. That should not take much longer than announcing their name and address, as they must do at present. Checking a voter’s face against photograph should not take much time either. But there will be delays when people arrive without suitable identification. A woman who normally covers her face may not want a man to check her identity.
Voters who lose their photo ID documents will be able to apply for the appointment of an emergency proxy until 5pm on polling day. Electoral registration officers will be allowed to issue emergency photo IDs.
Provocative article. However, it would be good if technology could get us fair results in elections. Interesting article about the “difficulty” that local councils will face at local elections next year.An accident waiting to happen? Voter ID in the 2023 English local elections
report published by supporters of constitutional reform suggests today.https://consoc.org.uk/publications/john-ault-report/
A survey commissioned by the Constitution Society found that a significant number of councils were not confident that they could train staff to deal with the new voter ID requirements before next May.
The average expectation among election staff is that 16% of voters will apply for the new voter authority certificate that will be issued to people who cannot produce a passport, driving licence, freedom pass or other approved photographic identification at the polling station.
Voters who need the new certificate — to be securely printed on a single sheet of A4 — will be able to apply as late as six working days before the election. The Constitution Society report says that will mean potentially millions of applications, all of which will have to be approved by officials and posted by a central authority ahead of polling day — or collected before the polls close.
Seventy councils responded to the Constitution Society survey, conducted by Dr John Ault, an experienced elections observer.
Asked whether they were confident they could train staff to check ID and ensure that those entitled could vote, 45% of the councils said they were either “not at all confident” or “not so confident”. Indeed, 57% said they were “very worried” or “extremely worried”.
Every single election administrator thought the Election Act 2022 would make their job harder. Half said the new requirements would make their task “more difficult” and the other half said it would become “much more difficult”.
Next year’s elections in England see the most significant change to the way we run elections in over a century. Voters will need to show one of the required forms of ID or apply for one of the new voter cards.
Many voters will simply need to produce a bus pass. That should not take much longer than announcing their name and address, as they must do at present. Checking a voter’s face against photograph should not take much time either. But there will be delays when people arrive without suitable identification. A woman who normally covers her face may not want a man to check her identity.
Voters who lose their photo ID documents will be able to apply for the appointment of an emergency proxy until 5pm on polling day. Electoral registration officers will be allowed to issue emergency photo IDs.
As Dr Aseem Malhotra so well explained in his speech during the personalised medicine conference in June 22 in London: we and most of the medical profession do not know that we do not know that the current medical system, and all that comes with, it is the result of investment decisions for returns (there a are a few BMJ articles that support this view and a report by Goldman Sachs on the motives of Pharma of 2019). This ‘movement’ started mid last century and is now so much part of our reality that most cannot see this. Any discussions within this thinking will lead to nothing but discussions within this thinking. The only way to get out of this mess is to stop thinking in illness and prevention of illness, and start asking: how can we create wellness and health, how can treat patients to improve their health rather than reduces symptoms or illness. This will need for the research community to start asking questions they are not used to asking, also for fear to fall out of favour… The NHS, other national health systems and universities are incapable of doing this for now and are therefore part of the problem rather than the solution.
As Dr Aseem Malhotra so well explained in his speech during the personalised medicine conference in June 22 in London: we and most of the medical profession do not know that we do not know that the current medical system, and all that comes with, it is the result of investment decisions for returns (there a are a few BMJ articles that support this view and a report by Goldman Sachs on the motives of Pharma of 2019). This ‘movement’ started mid last century and is now so much part of our reality that most cannot see this. Any discussions within this thinking will lead to nothing but discussions within this thinking. The only way to get out of this mess is to stop thinking in illness and prevention of illness, and start asking: how can we create wellness and health, how can treat patients to improve their health rather than reduces symptoms or illness. This will need for the research community to start asking questions they are not used to asking, also for fear to fall out of favour… The NHS, other national health systems and universities are incapable of doing this for now and are therefore part of the problem rather than the solution.
What a paranoid rant. Please don’t cough in my face
Worth re-reading this article carefully as it’s quite relevant to our current pandemic situation: ‘How smallpox inoculation united America’
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04334-8
The answer really is to test the system on one K.Schwab. Let everyone in the world have access to his biometrics and other personal data
No, Beveridge’s vision for public health has been taken to it’s utterly predictable conclusion. The NHS is and always was a terrible idea.
“Beveridge’s notion of public health”
Beveridge’s notion was that if the, by then decades old, idea of a national health service was implemented workers would be restored to health and claim fewer benefits. ~~~ Beveridge: Assumption B. Comprehensive Health And Rehabilitation Services
The NHS was never intended to be “something meant to liberate human beings from the threat of disease”. Like many others before, Fazi has confused the establishment of the NHS with the general availability of antibiotics.
Smallpox vaccination was made compulsory in England in 1852. The phrase ‘national health service’ was coined by biochemistry professor Benjamin Moore in 1911, but he wanted to segregate TB sufferers rather than establish any sort of universal care.
Public Health has always involved a trade off between the rights of individuals and the welfare of the general population. Tin foil hatted twaddle about the ‘The Great Reset’ adds nothing to any debate.
Hi Bill, a personal question: have you had your fourth Covid shot? If yes, do you believe we all must receive the fourth Covid shot? If so, what must happen to those who believe they shouldn’t receive the fourth Covid shot, or their children?
May I ask, have you? And how many times (to the nearest hundred) were you texted before you complied?
Hi Charles, after homework decided to pass and explained why to friends and family who believed I was tin hat or down a rabbit hole. To my mind, telling was that not one of them took the trouble to understand my reasons which, I believe, speaks to Brett H’s point above about how the world ends (‘with a whimper’, quoting Eliot’s ‘The hollow men’). Reference: hendrikmentz.com
Likewise, thank you.
Likewise, thank you.
Hi Charles, after homework decided to pass and explained why to friends and family who believed I was tin hat or down a rabbit hole. To my mind, telling was that not one of them took the trouble to understand my reasons which, I believe, speaks to Brett H’s point above about how the world ends (‘with a whimper’, quoting Eliot’s ‘The hollow men’). Reference: hendrikmentz.com
May I ask, have you? And how many times (to the nearest hundred) were you texted before you complied?
You make some valid points about the origins of the NHS and Public Health. What makes your conclusion invalid is the far greater reach of technology as a means of controlling populations, something almost unimaginable prior to the advent of the microchip.
George Orwell, writing his dystopian novel as the NHS was born, wouldn’t have believed the potential scope of techno-reach into the lives of individuals, even as he alerted us to the perils of an ever-present authoritarianism.
However on a brighter note, the cretins of HMG did NOT manage to introduce ID cards during the great Scamdemic. It certainly looked like an ideal opportunity to introduce this pernicious device.
Perhaps the spirited performance by Lord Jonathan Sumption KS & others dissuaded ‘them’ on this particular occasion?
It was indeed a spirited performance, although viewed as ghastly at the time.
Not by you surely?
I was ambivalent about it. Having great respect for Lord Sumption’s intellect, i read his thoughts which were pretty much against the flow of the tide at the time and it gave me pause for thoughts of my own. I thought of being in the position of responsibility should the worst happen and hospitals did end up turning dying patients away (as we witnessed in India and to some extent in Italy), and whether – with that ultimate responsibility – the choices made by politicians might’ve been different. Sumption’s breaking of the dam of media manipulation was essential in retrospect, along with others.
So no, i didn’t view his articles as ghastly, but there was much less certainty around the virulence of the disease at that time.
I was ambivalent about it. Having great respect for Lord Sumption’s intellect, i read his thoughts which were pretty much against the flow of the tide at the time and it gave me pause for thoughts of my own. I thought of being in the position of responsibility should the worst happen and hospitals did end up turning dying patients away (as we witnessed in India and to some extent in Italy), and whether – with that ultimate responsibility – the choices made by politicians might’ve been different. Sumption’s breaking of the dam of media manipulation was essential in retrospect, along with others.
So no, i didn’t view his articles as ghastly, but there was much less certainty around the virulence of the disease at that time.
Not by you surely?
It was indeed a spirited performance, although viewed as ghastly at the time.
However on a brighter note, the cretins of HMG did NOT manage to introduce ID cards during the great Scamdemic. It certainly looked like an ideal opportunity to introduce this pernicious device.
Perhaps the spirited performance by Lord Jonathan Sumption KS & others dissuaded ‘them’ on this particular occasion?
There are still people here in the US who say the government should have shut down interstate travel at the beginning of the Covid panic and even that it should still be forbidden today. THESE are the kind of people who will eagerly give up their (and our) ordinary but crucial freedoms to get an illusory sense of safety that in real life doesn’t and could never exist. It’s anything but “tin-foil hatted twaddle about The Great Reset” when already powerful people are using exactly that term to describe and justify giving unelected bureaucrats even more power over us. Smallpox, TB and polio and such legitimately horrible diseases may justify some carefully monitored and managed government coercive power, but Covid showed us that the bureaucrats are now happy to exaggerate the threat of a disease in order to expand their authority over us. Bureaucrats have ever been thus. Wannabe despots have learned that the new route to power is to tell us it’s for our own safety. (See China right now.)
Hi Bill, a personal question: have you had your fourth Covid shot? If yes, do you believe we all must receive the fourth Covid shot? If so, what must happen to those who believe they shouldn’t receive the fourth Covid shot, or their children?
You make some valid points about the origins of the NHS and Public Health. What makes your conclusion invalid is the far greater reach of technology as a means of controlling populations, something almost unimaginable prior to the advent of the microchip.
George Orwell, writing his dystopian novel as the NHS was born, wouldn’t have believed the potential scope of techno-reach into the lives of individuals, even as he alerted us to the perils of an ever-present authoritarianism.
There are still people here in the US who say the government should have shut down interstate travel at the beginning of the Covid panic and even that it should still be forbidden today. THESE are the kind of people who will eagerly give up their (and our) ordinary but crucial freedoms to get an illusory sense of safety that in real life doesn’t and could never exist. It’s anything but “tin-foil hatted twaddle about The Great Reset” when already powerful people are using exactly that term to describe and justify giving unelected bureaucrats even more power over us. Smallpox, TB and polio and such legitimately horrible diseases may justify some carefully monitored and managed government coercive power, but Covid showed us that the bureaucrats are now happy to exaggerate the threat of a disease in order to expand their authority over us. Bureaucrats have ever been thus. Wannabe despots have learned that the new route to power is to tell us it’s for our own safety. (See China right now.)
“Beveridge’s notion of public health”
Beveridge’s notion was that if the, by then decades old, idea of a national health service was implemented workers would be restored to health and claim fewer benefits. ~~~ Beveridge: Assumption B. Comprehensive Health And Rehabilitation Services
The NHS was never intended to be “something meant to liberate human beings from the threat of disease”. Like many others before, Fazi has confused the establishment of the NHS with the general availability of antibiotics.
Smallpox vaccination was made compulsory in England in 1852. The phrase ‘national health service’ was coined by biochemistry professor Benjamin Moore in 1911, but he wanted to segregate TB sufferers rather than establish any sort of universal care.
Public Health has always involved a trade off between the rights of individuals and the welfare of the general population. Tin foil hatted twaddle about the ‘The Great Reset’ adds nothing to any debate.
This topic is getting boring. Can we have a new one please?
This topic is getting boring. Can we have a new one please?