‘Whipping’ and the Whips Office should be consigned to history … the power of the political parties should be diminished and the power of the electorate increased
MP’s should be free to represent their constituents directly and not through the conduit of the Whips Office
The public generally vote for a party, based on its policy platform as set out in its manifesto. They cannot choose the candidate their preferred party puts forward in their constituency, and do not generally vote for them personally. Whenever an MP breaks from their party they are – almost without exception – dumped by the voters in favour of a new candidate from the party their constituents actually support at the next opportunity. Recent high profile examples include Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Chuka Umunna, Simon Danczuk, Anna Soubry and many others.
650 revolting MPs with no personal mandate, voting as they please to attract media attention and social media likes, is no way to run a country.
That is because the MP has no independence .. he is controlled by his party thro the whips … the electorate know political parties are all powerful … we need to change that
Wherever people have a choice, they almost always choose the party with a platform to form a government, or least to be an effective opposition, over the individual with neither of those capabilities. And they are right to do so. If MPs don’t like the policy, they should work within their parties to change them.
“We” being the voters. But the only possible way to change this is to vote for minor parties or independents. Unfortunately people continue to vote for the parties that have a financial grip over elections.
Quite right. We vote for the least worst party platform. If the local MP is intelligent and has integrity that is a bonus but for the most part we regard them as lobby fodder who will stick with the manifesto or the party line where circumstances change so that elements of the manifesto can no longer be adhered to sensibly.
When MPs start thinking they have a better handle on what should be done that is usually a receipt for chaos. Of course, a sensible leader will keep in touch with the opinions of their MPs and cabinet. Liz Truss and her Chancellor appeared not to have communicated well and listened to either her Cabinet, party or the public at large. She should have anticipated and prepared the party for the likely reaction of the market and ensured that savings were presented at the same time as expenditures.
The current parliamentary system should be consigned to history and replaced with direct democracy on blockchain via the app store. Use the existing Swiss model as a basis.
Not on twitter, Richard. My guess is people are reading blockchain and conflating with ideas of cryptocurrency/cashless society, without understanding that the former does not mean or require the latter. An (open source) immutable, anonymised, decentralised ledger of record that proves legitimacy (or otherwise) is one of the most potentially beneficial uses of the technology.
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
It’s probably not realistic to expect parliamentary discipline to return now, regardless of who they pick as leader.
It’s the end of their run and they’ll scrabble around seeking media attention by rebelling for the next two years of this government in order to build their post-MP careers as tv and media political commentators. Most of them will disappear into anonymity.
So a Labour government in 2024. Can’t wait. Think I’ll unsubscribe from everything, ignore the news and just play with the grandkids.
I think you’re right, but my conspiratorial sprite says the crowning of Rishi will instill an almost Thatcherite belief in TINA and as Risihi walks us back into the EU, uses the UK public’s credit card to save finance from the impending financial crash, and accelerates global inequality reduction by turning the UK into a South Africa, the back benches will calm, the BBC will chain its dogs and in 2024 there’ll be an unmemorable transfer of power from cardboard Rishi to wooden Starmer.
So back to rule by the USA via Ursula van der Leyen then. That woman should be charged with culpable homicide next spring if Germans die of cold this winter. She is a psychopath, totally unfit to be in any position of responsibility and utterly without any accountability to any voters.
Jon Hawksley
1 year ago
To retain a shred of dignity the Tory MPs should be locked in a room until 326 agree to support a particular candidate and then swear to keep the process secret. It helps Popes retain dignity.
Secrecy? Over who voted for whom in a papal conclave? Dream on. Simply doesn’t happen. We know who was responsible for voting for, and fighting for the current holder of the post of anti-Christ.
“Tory MPs should be locked in a room…” That’s the only part you needed to write.
FacRecte NilTime
1 year ago
In a parliamentary democracy, there can be no stable or effective government without party discipline. That is the simple but necessary function of the Whips.
We like sausages, but prefer not to see how they are made. No sausages for dinner when the sausage-making machine has more fat and gristle than meat and gums up.
David McKee
1 year ago
Excellent piece, written by someone who knows exactly what he’s talking about. It reminds me of the time I saw James Graham’s play “This House,” which left me with an unbounded admiration for the whips, who operate the engine room of politics.
“Doing the Lord’s work.” I like that!
Nicholas Rynn
1 year ago
Truss’ principal failing is she is not a leader, few beyond those who sought personal advancement under her premiership trusted her, she is incapable of making a logical appreciation leading to a sensible and workable plan and lacks the personality to inspire. All that aside she doesn’t listen to advice.
James Anthony Seyforth
1 year ago
Lol everytime I read an unherd article I just skip to the comments for the summary of an article that is generally a waste of time to read. I think there is some art in writing very briefly what you are trying to say, especially in journalism. It’s not exactly philosophical treatise is it.
polidori redux
1 year ago
“When I was Tony Blair’s Political Secretary”
Which is why we should ignore you now.
He never won one either. At the time, the tories were unelectable, under Major, then Haigue etc. So, the tories lost them blair didn’t win them.
That’s what our system is, people vote against things, not for the other things.
‘Whipping’ and the Whips Office should be consigned to history … the power of the political parties should be diminished and the power of the electorate increased
MP’s should be free to represent their constituents directly and not through the conduit of the Whips Office
The public generally vote for a party, based on its policy platform as set out in its manifesto. They cannot choose the candidate their preferred party puts forward in their constituency, and do not generally vote for them personally. Whenever an MP breaks from their party they are – almost without exception – dumped by the voters in favour of a new candidate from the party their constituents actually support at the next opportunity. Recent high profile examples include Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Chuka Umunna, Simon Danczuk, Anna Soubry and many others.
650 revolting MPs with no personal mandate, voting as they please to attract media attention and social media likes, is no way to run a country.
That is because the MP has no independence .. he is controlled by his party thro the whips … the electorate know political parties are all powerful … we need to change that
Wherever people have a choice, they almost always choose the party with a platform to form a government, or least to be an effective opposition, over the individual with neither of those capabilities. And they are right to do so. If MPs don’t like the policy, they should work within their parties to change them.
“We” being the voters. But the only possible way to change this is to vote for minor parties or independents. Unfortunately people continue to vote for the parties that have a financial grip over elections.
Quite right. We vote for the least worst party platform. If the local MP is intelligent and has integrity that is a bonus but for the most part we regard them as lobby fodder who will stick with the manifesto or the party line where circumstances change so that elements of the manifesto can no longer be adhered to sensibly.
When MPs start thinking they have a better handle on what should be done that is usually a receipt for chaos. Of course, a sensible leader will keep in touch with the opinions of their MPs and cabinet. Liz Truss and her Chancellor appeared not to have communicated well and listened to either her Cabinet, party or the public at large. She should have anticipated and prepared the party for the likely reaction of the market and ensured that savings were presented at the same time as expenditures.
The current parliamentary system should be consigned to history and replaced with direct democracy on blockchain via the app store. Use the existing Swiss model as a basis.
Anyone care to explain why not?
The Swiss model works extremely well … it is difficult to argue against when you see the shambles of politics in the UK and right across Europe
Are you on twitter William?
@richardcalhoun
Not on twitter, Richard. My guess is people are reading blockchain and conflating with ideas of cryptocurrency/cashless society, without understanding that the former does not mean or require the latter. An (open source) immutable, anonymised, decentralised ledger of record that proves legitimacy (or otherwise) is one of the most potentially beneficial uses of the technology.
It’s probably not realistic to expect parliamentary discipline to return now, regardless of who they pick as leader.
It’s the end of their run and they’ll scrabble around seeking media attention by rebelling for the next two years of this government in order to build their post-MP careers as tv and media political commentators. Most of them will disappear into anonymity.
So a Labour government in 2024. Can’t wait. Think I’ll unsubscribe from everything, ignore the news and just play with the grandkids.
I think you’re right, but my conspiratorial sprite says the crowning of Rishi will instill an almost Thatcherite belief in TINA and as Risihi walks us back into the EU, uses the UK public’s credit card to save finance from the impending financial crash, and accelerates global inequality reduction by turning the UK into a South Africa, the back benches will calm, the BBC will chain its dogs and in 2024 there’ll be an unmemorable transfer of power from cardboard Rishi to wooden Starmer.
Unfortunately, you may well be right.
So back to rule by the USA via Ursula van der Leyen then. That woman should be charged with culpable homicide next spring if Germans die of cold this winter. She is a psychopath, totally unfit to be in any position of responsibility and utterly without any accountability to any voters.
To retain a shred of dignity the Tory MPs should be locked in a room until 326 agree to support a particular candidate and then swear to keep the process secret. It helps Popes retain dignity.
A Conclave! Excellent Idea.
But in the Conservatives case at this time, once a decision is reached, they should send up a white flag, instead of sending up white smoke.
Secrecy? Over who voted for whom in a papal conclave? Dream on. Simply doesn’t happen. We know who was responsible for voting for, and fighting for the current holder of the post of anti-Christ.
It is wickedly untrue, not to say disrespectful, to refer to the Successor of St Peter as the anti-Christ.
As it happens, Michael Gove suggested exactly this.
That puts it into the “bad ideas file”
“Tory MPs should be locked in a room…”
That’s the only part you needed to write.
In a parliamentary democracy, there can be no stable or effective government without party discipline. That is the simple but necessary function of the Whips.
We like sausages, but prefer not to see how they are made. No sausages for dinner when the sausage-making machine has more fat and gristle than meat and gums up.
Excellent piece, written by someone who knows exactly what he’s talking about. It reminds me of the time I saw James Graham’s play “This House,” which left me with an unbounded admiration for the whips, who operate the engine room of politics.
“Doing the Lord’s work.” I like that!
Truss’ principal failing is she is not a leader, few beyond those who sought personal advancement under her premiership trusted her, she is incapable of making a logical appreciation leading to a sensible and workable plan and lacks the personality to inspire. All that aside she doesn’t listen to advice.
Lol everytime I read an unherd article I just skip to the comments for the summary of an article that is generally a waste of time to read. I think there is some art in writing very briefly what you are trying to say, especially in journalism. It’s not exactly philosophical treatise is it.
“When I was Tony Blair’s Political Secretary”
Which is why we should ignore you now.
A classic case of “self praise is NO recommendation “.
So his insights into whipping based on experience are valueless? That’s a wise course to take – tin ears – worked a treat for Truss.
don’t take advice from the enemy – He means to do you harm.
Friends close, enemies closer. Always effective if you want to understand your foe.
Well said. Tony Blair never lost an election.
He never won one either. At the time, the tories were unelectable, under Major, then Haigue etc. So, the tories lost them blair didn’t win them.
That’s what our system is, people vote against things, not for the other things.
He did make some interesting points, though. You can’t always throw the baby out with the bathwater.