There are about 100 suicides per week in the U.K., far far more than the (admittedly appalling) rate of 1.5 murders of women per week in the U.K. And male suicides represent about 75% of these suicides. https://www.statista.com/statistics/282203/suicide-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-since-2000-by-gender/
So I’d say vulnerable men committing suicide is the far bigger issue in these recessionary times – but society just accepts this state of affairs.
The system wants men to kill themselves. It wants men to feel vulnerable. It has no such desire to keep women weak and passive because they know women will never challenge the elites.
These men are CHOOSING to commit suicide; women are not choosing to be brutally murdered.
I wish abusers would kill themselves instead of women and children. The world would be a better place.
A while ago I witnessed, in a local park, a young woman berating a young man about what she thought were his many faults (including the fault that he always agreed with her). There was no acknowledgement of anything positive about him, and nor did she confess to any faults of her own. A classic example of emotional abuse. How does an article such as this one, with no discussion of domestic abuse perpetrated by women, nor any acknowledgement of men’s positives, differ from that young woman’s behaviour, except that it has not one specific target, but men in general?
Didn’t we just read about a public service announcement encouraging women to withhold sex in order to force their partners to vote?
Apparently, when it suits their cause, the government and civic organisations are prepared to encourage controlling behaviour.
My husband and I were sitting with a group of parents at our son’s ball game. The mother of his teammate loudly scolded her husband and sent him off to the car for something. She turned to the rest of us and sneered, “He’s such an idiot”. My husband, right there in front of everyone, kissed me. He knew I’d never say anything like that about him.
This is why young men won’t be getting married any time soon. Plenty of online porn that they can satiate themselves with while they work on their careers. And if they do decide they want a real woman, they can have plenty from Eastern Europe or Asia.
Indeed over in Sweden the progressives have got themselves in a bind. The feminist governor of one of their provinces – a huge immigration supporter – now wants to restrict immigration of women from Eastern Europe and Thailand – because men are now marrying more foreigners than they are local women!
My mum used to try and wind up my dad, with those pointed verbal stilettos that some women know how to wield so well for maximum hurt. He’d then lose his temper – bingo! Job done. I felt sorry for him.
Jeez Penny you make huge assumptions. I said he lost his temper – which meant he shouted back at her screaming insults. I was under 10 when she told me, repeatedly during these rows and in front of my dad, that the only reason she was staying with him was because of me. So in your world, you think this woman was virtuous in laying that on her kid?
Fortunately, despite the emotional torture of me as a child, I established respectful relationships with partners as an adult, and ensured my children weren’t exposed to such damaging comments. Your lack of balance on this issue is quite serious.
How many men are murdered by women every week? Every year? You make men look like pathetic infants when you make comments like this. I can stand up to emotional abuse, but I can’t stand up to a violent lunatic who threatens me with violence. Grow a spine and stop whining about how men are being picked on by women.
It’s the threat of physical violence that keeps women in emotionally abusive situations.
So, in your book, there is no problem with psychological abuse? Why is wrongdoing ONLY in terms of predominantly male behaviours like violence? It’s because feminists know men will always be more violent than women and therrfore feminists will always be able to badger men on this basis. It’s pathetic.
Oh come on. Feminists don’t care about women abusing men. Feminism is all about psycholigically abusing males. It is a tool for the elites to bully men via women. The elites want weak, passive men and they want women to bully them into being weak and passive. Hence girlboss mentality and feminism.
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Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
“… just imagine being a woman who currently lives with an abusive man, knowing that her partner will wield the shortage of cash as yet another weapon to bully and humiliate her. “
Okay, if we’re playing the “just imagine” game, I’ll do you a deal – I’ll entertain the scenario you’re painting, if you’ll just imagine being a man who currently lives with a vindictive woman, knowing that his partner will wield his inability to pay for all the things she wants and expects as yet another weapon to bully and humiliate him.
I’m a great fan of this site, and enjoy reading a variety of writers taking a variety of positions – but I have to say I couldn’t even finish this article.
Blatant misandry seems to get a free pass, whilst any hint of misogyny gets jumped upon. “The suicide rate will definitely increase,” …. even if true, it will still be a tiny fraction of the male suicide rate. Perhaps if you demonstrated some empathy for anyone in an abusive relationship – regardless of gender?
It’s NOT a “just imagine” game. The author is citing a possible scenario, and asking for understanding and sympathy for women caught in terrible predicaments, but you have none to give. I shudder to think what it would be like to be trapped in a relationship with a man who has no empathy for women, only for men.
I seem to remember the somewhat ridiculous Labour MP Rosie Duffield emoting in parliament, surrounded by a doughnut (?!?) of fellow female MPS, and complaining, with copious lashings of unparliamentary tears, that she had been in an abusive relationship because the man she had been with kept spending her money.
So if a man restricts his woman’s income he is being abusive but if a woman tries to restrict her man’s income, he is being abusive. I am not sure that the requirement is not that all men submit to modern day slavery and just provide, provide, provide (as Truss might put it).
Rosie Duffield is utterly clueless. She has garnered a wealth of sympathy from “right-wing” simps for her trans squabbles, yet she comes on camera and says “trans rights are human rights”. She should make her mind up, frankly.
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David Wildgoose
1 year ago
This article may have some good points to make, but I’m not interested in ploughing through all the man-hating in order to find them.
I realise that some men abuse and control their wives or girlfriends but this is comic stuff. As if a bit of poverty – reverting to the 1970s norm – makes the difference. As many men as women will suffer from our little difficulty with national bankruptcy and social disintergration. And let us not forget that a large number of working class women are now effectively married to the benefits system, rather than to your cardboard cut out villain, and consequently have no real family to support them and their children from the “predatory male”. That’s right: It is families that support women, not a “Minister for Women”
They are not married to the system, but born of it. Big Daddy Government will destroy the nucelar family because to destroy men you need to destroy the family.
Will Rolf
1 year ago
This article is completely false. Studies show again and again that in English speaking countries men are half of all intimate partner violence victims. In most violent relationships both partners are perpetrators. In those where only one partner is violent, 70% of the time it is the woman. Women are also 50% more likely to emotionally abuse their partners. Women are four times more likely to suffer serious injury in violent relationships due to differences in size and strength. It’s time we abandon the feminist nonsense of male only Intimate partner violence.
JJ Barnett
1 year ago
“Domestic abusers feed off crises…Men will use the cost of living to coerce their partners”
Not to be flippant about this issue, but one could also change this headline slightly and it would accurately sum up what we are all living through now, an abusive relationship with the power structures that control the world (from above the level of national governments)… “Domestic abusers feed off crises…The rapacious corporate oligarchs and their handmaidens in western governments will now use the cost of living crisis [they created] to further coerce and control formerly free citizens”
Coercive control is now a mode of governance, so a lot more people are being exposed to what it means to be treated in this way. Again, not trying to be glib about the theme of this article, just noting that it’s a wider issue as well.
I could not get through the article. It seemed to be a gusher of verbiage around a pencil thin center. A massive thesis over minutiae. But I guess that describes a lot of opinion journalism. Pay by the word, get a lot of words.
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Mikis Hasson
1 year ago
A victim hood extravaganza! Don’t we get enough of the spiel “men are abusers women are victims”?
It goes beyond victimhood. Unaccountability is the core theme. As if the women involved could be instantly absolved from selecting the men in question for husbands in the first place. Or as if they were incapable of simply parting ways to escape this heinous beast (the “generalized man” as usual), instead of bitching about the consequences of their own miserable decisions.
Feminism can never tolerate any notion of female accountability. Like all woke ideologies, it seeks to evade accountability.
J. Brelner
1 year ago
Perhaps the most telling thing about this article is that it was written by a novelist. Strike two, she’s a woman. I can see how an imaginative, woman writer could “craft” a story to tell a tale of woe. “The poor women!”. Yes, I know I’m heartless, especially when dealing with someone who has such a myopic single-mindedness, who cannot see the other side of the coin.
Yes, I know statistically, men are the perpetrators. Maybe it’s because men have zero resources when they are a victim of abuse, there are no statistics of male victims. Most men are ashamed to report it and is it any wonder? In the U.K. there are no shelters, no crisis line (the last time I checked) and I’ve heard of men calling a crisis line help and being refused. In fact a woman can’t even be charged with rape — the law doesn’t even exist in the U.K. They call it sexual assault, but what do you call it when an adult woman, grooms a young boy and has sex with him? What do you call it when a woman takes advantage of a drunk man, an impaired man, a cognitively impaired man? It’s Rape! Then, in the RARE instance when a woman is charged for abuse, she’s coddled by the justice system. Usually a tap on the wrist and she walks. No wonder men don’t report and there are no statistics.
“Dillon is all too familiar with how coercive control operates. Survivors have told her about men who say: ‘You’re not feeding your kids. They’ve got holes in their shoes. I’m going to tell social services you’re a bad mother.’ That is a terrifying threat to make to a woman…” That is a terrifying threat to make to ANY parent but it’s only mothers that have the ability to weaponize Family Courts to take kids away from their fathers. In the rare instance that a father gets sole custody – it’s usually because the mother doesn’t want them. In many instances men stay with their spouses for the sake of their children. Even in abusive, loveless marriages.
I have empathy for women, I really do. I have a wife I love dearly and would do anything for. I care about women being abused and I condemn the men who abuse them. However, I’d like to point out that most men do not abuse their spouses. Most women don’t either, but both are human and we are all far from perfect.
Jim R
1 year ago
What an embarrassment to Unherd to have published this. There is no journalism here – just anecdotes and wild generalizations clearly designed to smear half of the human race and generate sympathy (and much more government funding). Does anyone doubt that the author will reap far more benefit than any of the victims when the politicians throw more money at the problem? I’d love to see some real investigative journalism that shows where all the money goes – bureaucracy and more advocacy – and how little impact they actually have in the real world.
Mark epperson
1 year ago
Pretentious BS article trivializes a growing problem for both women and men. If it was in my paper, it would be lining the bottom of the birdcage.
Ian Gribbin
1 year ago
No such thing as coercive control. Just another term created by feminist psychologists to describe women so weak and without agency that they cannot stand up for themselves. Thanks feminism!
Scott McArthur
1 year ago
Stats are pointless in Western Nations unless you differentiate between heritage citizens and new citizens. If that is too triggering for you I suggest you sort by religious affiliation or identity. Once the noise is sorted out .. the source of increased violence against women in the West becomes very very clear.
In Australia 90% of the offending is carried out by 5% of the population.
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
Just came across this bio of Rose Wilder Lane, the daughter of the woman who wrote Little House on the Prairie, and a founding mother of American libertarianism. This woman was certainly no victim of very hard times and believed it did her good – a fascinating life, and a brilliantly written bio too. https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-other-wilder-rose-wilder-lane/
I believe it refers to the ability of women to forge a life for themselves in good and bad times and to be masters of their fate. It’s difficult to imagine that life for women is harder now than it was then.
Gold star to you Brett! But J Brelner has a point that I was shoe-horning it into this discussion as I just had to share my late night discovery of this truly amazing woman with others.
Robert Carruthers
1 year ago
Is it then men as males the problem? If a woman changes her gender identity does he join this problem? One wonders where this gender reductionism is leading? A cul de
sac.
Just think how many men are now identifying as women because of the psychological abuse feminists have perpetrated on masculinity and men.
Karl Juhnke
1 year ago
We could talk about the fact that 75% of child abuse is performed by females. Or we could talk about most of those victims being male children. Or we could ignore both issues.
Galvatron Stephens
1 year ago
I think Joan and her ilk think that breathing in and out makes men abusive. Also, why do women like Joan take such glee in the murder of defenceless unborn children? The feminist genocide of abortion has claimed over 70 million lives, yet they demand more blood sacrifice.
Joan and other feminists, however, do mean I will never pay to read Unherd.
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cara williams
1 year ago
the ignorance and sheer bullshit of some of these male commenters is mind blowing. they sound bananas and no rational cool man or woman would want to have anything to do with them.
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William Shaw
1 year ago
Why do women continue to partner or marry? It makes no sense.
Advice to young women should be to stay single and avoid these issues.
Earn your own living and if you must have children get AI.
The government could help with this solution by legalising brothels; something they should have done years ago.
Brothels are effectively legal anyway. Police raids are rare and ineffective. For men, there is a very powerful argument to suggest realtionships with modern women are not worth the effort.
Adam Bartlett
1 year ago
Thanks for publishing this unherd. I used to subscribe to FT for over 10 years and read dozens of feminism articles – but always on issues that only benefited upper middle class women & above. They almost totally ignored issues facing working class women. The cost of living crisis probably is substantially elevating the risk of abuse for at least hundreds of thousands of British women.
FT is a leftist rag. Haven’t you got enough media outlets with feminist content? Unherd was a place where feminism could not rear its ugly head. Now it is a glorified Guardian.
Romi Elnagar
1 year ago
Here’s an article about a serious problem for thousands of women, and all the misogynists come out of the woodwork to complain that it’s actually MEN who suffer as much from domestic violence as women, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah.
It would be pathetic if it weren’t so vicious. The statistics (what statistics governments DO keep, of course) clearly show that women are more likely to suffer rape and murder at the hands of men than vice versa, and that women are most likely the victims of domestic abuse, but this doesn’t stop men who–out of either self-pity or genuine hatred of women–want us all to quit thinking about women (and children) who are victims and focus on people who are, as a group, stronger and more likely to have access to money. These men want us to forget how vulnerable women are when they are pregnant or have small children to care for, and focus only on men.
Narcissism much?
“men who–out of either self-pity or genuine hatred of women–want us all to quit thinking about women (and children)” Nope, that’s not it. Some of them wonder why women get involved with these men in the first place. There are men out there that many men will have nothing to do with. There are men out there we would not talk to in a bar or look in the eye. There are men out there we just do not trust. But there are women out there who walk right into their arms and we don’t know why and no one will tell us.
A couple of quotes from past academic studies of domestic violence:
“Women were more likely than men to engage in any, as well as in severe, partner aggression and in any parent aggression…” from Slep, A. M. S., & O’Leary, S. G. (2005). Parent and Partner Violence in Families With Young Children: Rates, Patterns, and Connections. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 73(3), 435–444
“Given that Stets and Straus found that three times as many women as men used severe violence against a nonviolent partner, treatment for female batterers seems a necessity.” from chapter 2 (page 41) of ‘Family Interventions in Domestic Violence’ edited by John Hamel and Tonia Nicholls.
Do you think that using insults and unfounded accusations such as “all the misogynists”, “pathetic if it weren’t so vicious”” , “these men want us to forget how vulnerable women are” is an example of reasoned debate, or abusive behaviour?
Why do you only focus on male wrongdoing? Any categories of wrongdoing that women predominate in?
Feminism can neve solve any problem it claims to care about. You are always going to have wrongdoing in a society and feminism will be no more effective than prescribing jelly to all infant boys.
Feminism makes men weak and passive. A man feeling weak and passive is much more likely to lash out than a confident male. As women are more masculinised than before, men will feel no ethical reason why they should not hit a woman if they would hit a man in the same situation. Feminism claims it can change men but it has nothing like the resonance of a belief system that would be required to change widespread behaviours.
Plus there is such a thing as free speech and thought. You cannot make people care about, or define their responses to, your arguments. Feminists despise this, but there it is.
Nobody wants to stop thinking about women being abused. Women abusing children is 75% of the time. That is taboo. Most often against male children. That’s is taboo. Violence against men is taboo. Only one sector is not accountable. Just treat everyone according to their needs
There are about 100 suicides per week in the U.K., far far more than the (admittedly appalling) rate of 1.5 murders of women per week in the U.K. And male suicides represent about 75% of these suicides.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/282203/suicide-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-since-2000-by-gender/
So I’d say vulnerable men committing suicide is the far bigger issue in these recessionary times – but society just accepts this state of affairs.
I’d love to see an article about this underreported issue. Almost nobody talks about this (with the notable exception of Jordan Peterson I suppose).
The system wants men to kill themselves. It wants men to feel vulnerable. It has no such desire to keep women weak and passive because they know women will never challenge the elites.
These men are CHOOSING to commit suicide; women are not choosing to be brutally murdered.
I wish abusers would kill themselves instead of women and children. The world would be a better place.
Your compassion is noted, as is your partisanship. Thank you for your contribution.
Your view that serious mental illness leading to suicide is a choice is quite staggering, and rather revealing about yourself.
Thank you Penny. Have you ever wondered why so many men choose to kill themselves or is that a little deep?
I don’t think Penny understands numbers.
A while ago I witnessed, in a local park, a young woman berating a young man about what she thought were his many faults (including the fault that he always agreed with her). There was no acknowledgement of anything positive about him, and nor did she confess to any faults of her own. A classic example of emotional abuse. How does an article such as this one, with no discussion of domestic abuse perpetrated by women, nor any acknowledgement of men’s positives, differ from that young woman’s behaviour, except that it has not one specific target, but men in general?
While it is mostly men who commit violence it is mostly women who engage in controlling behaviour
Didn’t we just read about a public service announcement encouraging women to withhold sex in order to force their partners to vote?
Apparently, when it suits their cause, the government and civic organisations are prepared to encourage controlling behaviour.
Evidence? Stats? Can you cite a study on this?
See it all day every day
My husband and I were sitting with a group of parents at our son’s ball game. The mother of his teammate loudly scolded her husband and sent him off to the car for something. She turned to the rest of us and sneered, “He’s such an idiot”. My husband, right there in front of everyone, kissed me. He knew I’d never say anything like that about him.
This is why young men won’t be getting married any time soon. Plenty of online porn that they can satiate themselves with while they work on their careers. And if they do decide they want a real woman, they can have plenty from Eastern Europe or Asia.
Indeed over in Sweden the progressives have got themselves in a bind. The feminist governor of one of their provinces – a huge immigration supporter – now wants to restrict immigration of women from Eastern Europe and Thailand – because men are now marrying more foreigners than they are local women!
You couldn’t make it up
Thank you. You sound a lot like my beloved.
My mum used to try and wind up my dad, with those pointed verbal stilettos that some women know how to wield so well for maximum hurt. He’d then lose his temper – bingo! Job done. I felt sorry for him.
You felt sorry for your dad for beating your mother? You are not a man at all.
Penny people can lose their tempers without resorting to physical violence.
You just assumed he resorted to violence.
And wasn’t what she was doing violence?
Jeez Penny you make huge assumptions. I said he lost his temper – which meant he shouted back at her screaming insults. I was under 10 when she told me, repeatedly during these rows and in front of my dad, that the only reason she was staying with him was because of me. So in your world, you think this woman was virtuous in laying that on her kid?
Fortunately, despite the emotional torture of me as a child, I established respectful relationships with partners as an adult, and ensured my children weren’t exposed to such damaging comments. Your lack of balance on this issue is quite serious.
Go swim in the North Sea.
How dare you womansplain what being a man is
How many men are murdered by women every week? Every year? You make men look like pathetic infants when you make comments like this. I can stand up to emotional abuse, but I can’t stand up to a violent lunatic who threatens me with violence. Grow a spine and stop whining about how men are being picked on by women.
It’s the threat of physical violence that keeps women in emotionally abusive situations.
So, in your book, there is no problem with psychological abuse? Why is wrongdoing ONLY in terms of predominantly male behaviours like violence? It’s because feminists know men will always be more violent than women and therrfore feminists will always be able to badger men on this basis. It’s pathetic.
Oh come on. Feminists don’t care about women abusing men. Feminism is all about psycholigically abusing males. It is a tool for the elites to bully men via women. The elites want weak, passive men and they want women to bully them into being weak and passive. Hence girlboss mentality and feminism.
“… just imagine being a woman who currently lives with an abusive man, knowing that her partner will wield the shortage of cash as yet another weapon to bully and humiliate her. “
Okay, if we’re playing the “just imagine” game, I’ll do you a deal – I’ll entertain the scenario you’re painting, if you’ll just imagine being a man who currently lives with a vindictive woman, knowing that his partner will wield his inability to pay for all the things she wants and expects as yet another weapon to bully and humiliate him.
I’m a great fan of this site, and enjoy reading a variety of writers taking a variety of positions – but I have to say I couldn’t even finish this article.
Blatant misandry seems to get a free pass, whilst any hint of misogyny gets jumped upon.
“The suicide rate will definitely increase,” …. even if true, it will still be a tiny fraction of the male suicide rate.
Perhaps if you demonstrated some empathy for anyone in an abusive relationship – regardless of gender?
It’s NOT a “just imagine” game. The author is citing a possible scenario, and asking for understanding and sympathy for women caught in terrible predicaments, but you have none to give. I shudder to think what it would be like to be trapped in a relationship with a man who has no empathy for women, only for men.
My gut tells me that someone who lacks empathy will lack empathy for all.
I seem to remember the somewhat ridiculous Labour MP Rosie Duffield emoting in parliament, surrounded by a doughnut (?!?) of fellow female MPS, and complaining, with copious lashings of unparliamentary tears, that she had been in an abusive relationship because the man she had been with kept spending her money.
So if a man restricts his woman’s income he is being abusive but if a woman tries to restrict her man’s income, he is being abusive. I am not sure that the requirement is not that all men submit to modern day slavery and just provide, provide, provide (as Truss might put it).
Rosie Duffield is utterly clueless. She has garnered a wealth of sympathy from “right-wing” simps for her trans squabbles, yet she comes on camera and says “trans rights are human rights”. She should make her mind up, frankly.
This article may have some good points to make, but I’m not interested in ploughing through all the man-hating in order to find them.
Just accept facts David.All men are abusers!!
What a bleak world for the man haters.
Real men do not abuse anyone.
I skipped the article. Joan Smith is a bigot.
I realise that some men abuse and control their wives or girlfriends but this is comic stuff. As if a bit of poverty – reverting to the 1970s norm – makes the difference. As many men as women will suffer from our little difficulty with national bankruptcy and social disintergration. And let us not forget that a large number of working class women are now effectively married to the benefits system, rather than to your cardboard cut out villain, and consequently have no real family to support them and their children from the “predatory male”. That’s right: It is families that support women, not a “Minister for Women”
They are not married to the system, but born of it. Big Daddy Government will destroy the nucelar family because to destroy men you need to destroy the family.
This article is completely false. Studies show again and again that in English speaking countries men are half of all intimate partner violence victims. In most violent relationships both partners are perpetrators. In those where only one partner is violent, 70% of the time it is the woman. Women are also 50% more likely to emotionally abuse their partners. Women are four times more likely to suffer serious injury in violent relationships due to differences in size and strength. It’s time we abandon the feminist nonsense of male only Intimate partner violence.
“Domestic abusers feed off crises…Men will use the cost of living to coerce their partners”
Not to be flippant about this issue, but one could also change this headline slightly and it would accurately sum up what we are all living through now, an abusive relationship with the power structures that control the world (from above the level of national governments)…
“Domestic abusers feed off crises…The rapacious corporate oligarchs and their handmaidens in western governments will now use the cost of living crisis [they created] to further coerce and control formerly free citizens”
Coercive control is now a mode of governance, so a lot more people are being exposed to what it means to be treated in this way. Again, not trying to be glib about the theme of this article, just noting that it’s a wider issue as well.
I could not get through the article. It seemed to be a gusher of verbiage around a pencil thin center. A massive thesis over minutiae. But I guess that describes a lot of opinion journalism. Pay by the word, get a lot of words.
A victim hood extravaganza! Don’t we get enough of the spiel “men are abusers women are victims”?
It goes beyond victimhood. Unaccountability is the core theme. As if the women involved could be instantly absolved from selecting the men in question for husbands in the first place. Or as if they were incapable of simply parting ways to escape this heinous beast (the “generalized man” as usual), instead of bitching about the consequences of their own miserable decisions.
Some women and men always seem to choose useless partners.
They enter serial relationships and repeat their mistakes.
Feminism can never tolerate any notion of female accountability. Like all woke ideologies, it seeks to evade accountability.
Perhaps the most telling thing about this article is that it was written by a novelist. Strike two, she’s a woman. I can see how an imaginative, woman writer could “craft” a story to tell a tale of woe. “The poor women!”. Yes, I know I’m heartless, especially when dealing with someone who has such a myopic single-mindedness, who cannot see the other side of the coin.
Yes, I know statistically, men are the perpetrators. Maybe it’s because men have zero resources when they are a victim of abuse, there are no statistics of male victims. Most men are ashamed to report it and is it any wonder? In the U.K. there are no shelters, no crisis line (the last time I checked) and I’ve heard of men calling a crisis line help and being refused. In fact a woman can’t even be charged with rape — the law doesn’t even exist in the U.K. They call it sexual assault, but what do you call it when an adult woman, grooms a young boy and has sex with him? What do you call it when a woman takes advantage of a drunk man, an impaired man, a cognitively impaired man? It’s Rape! Then, in the RARE instance when a woman is charged for abuse, she’s coddled by the justice system. Usually a tap on the wrist and she walks. No wonder men don’t report and there are no statistics.
“Dillon is all too familiar with how coercive control operates. Survivors have told her about men who say: ‘You’re not feeding your kids. They’ve got holes in their shoes. I’m going to tell social services you’re a bad mother.’ That is a terrifying threat to make to a woman…” That is a terrifying threat to make to ANY parent but it’s only mothers that have the ability to weaponize Family Courts to take kids away from their fathers. In the rare instance that a father gets sole custody – it’s usually because the mother doesn’t want them. In many instances men stay with their spouses for the sake of their children. Even in abusive, loveless marriages.
I have empathy for women, I really do. I have a wife I love dearly and would do anything for. I care about women being abused and I condemn the men who abuse them. However, I’d like to point out that most men do not abuse their spouses. Most women don’t either, but both are human and we are all far from perfect.
What an embarrassment to Unherd to have published this. There is no journalism here – just anecdotes and wild generalizations clearly designed to smear half of the human race and generate sympathy (and much more government funding). Does anyone doubt that the author will reap far more benefit than any of the victims when the politicians throw more money at the problem? I’d love to see some real investigative journalism that shows where all the money goes – bureaucracy and more advocacy – and how little impact they actually have in the real world.
Pretentious BS article trivializes a growing problem for both women and men. If it was in my paper, it would be lining the bottom of the birdcage.
No such thing as coercive control. Just another term created by feminist psychologists to describe women so weak and without agency that they cannot stand up for themselves. Thanks feminism!
Stats are pointless in Western Nations unless you differentiate between heritage citizens and new citizens. If that is too triggering for you I suggest you sort by religious affiliation or identity. Once the noise is sorted out .. the source of increased violence against women in the West becomes very very clear.
In Australia 90% of the offending is carried out by 5% of the population.
Just came across this bio of Rose Wilder Lane, the daughter of the woman who wrote Little House on the Prairie, and a founding mother of American libertarianism. This woman was certainly no victim of very hard times and believed it did her good – a fascinating life, and a brilliantly written bio too.
https://www.sdpb.org/blogs/arts-and-culture/the-other-wilder-rose-wilder-lane/
How is this pertinent to an article about domestic abuse in the U.K.?
I believe it refers to the ability of women to forge a life for themselves in good and bad times and to be masters of their fate. It’s difficult to imagine that life for women is harder now than it was then.
Gold star to you Brett! But J Brelner has a point that I was shoe-horning it into this discussion as I just had to share my late night discovery of this truly amazing woman with others.
Is it then men as males the problem? If a woman changes her gender identity does he join this problem? One wonders where this gender reductionism is leading? A cul de
sac.
Just think how many men are now identifying as women because of the psychological abuse feminists have perpetrated on masculinity and men.
We could talk about the fact that 75% of child abuse is performed by females. Or we could talk about most of those victims being male children. Or we could ignore both issues.
I think Joan and her ilk think that breathing in and out makes men abusive. Also, why do women like Joan take such glee in the murder of defenceless unborn children? The feminist genocide of abortion has claimed over 70 million lives, yet they demand more blood sacrifice.
Joan and other feminists, however, do mean I will never pay to read Unherd.
the ignorance and sheer bullshit of some of these male commenters is mind blowing. they sound bananas and no rational cool man or woman would want to have anything to do with them.
Why do women continue to partner or marry? It makes no sense.
Advice to young women should be to stay single and avoid these issues.
Earn your own living and if you must have children get AI.
The government could help with this solution by legalising brothels; something they should have done years ago.
Brothels are effectively legal anyway. Police raids are rare and ineffective. For men, there is a very powerful argument to suggest realtionships with modern women are not worth the effort.
Thanks for publishing this unherd. I used to subscribe to FT for over 10 years and read dozens of feminism articles – but always on issues that only benefited upper middle class women & above. They almost totally ignored issues facing working class women. The cost of living crisis probably is substantially elevating the risk of abuse for at least hundreds of thousands of British women.
FT is a leftist rag. Haven’t you got enough media outlets with feminist content? Unherd was a place where feminism could not rear its ugly head. Now it is a glorified Guardian.
Here’s an article about a serious problem for thousands of women, and all the misogynists come out of the woodwork to complain that it’s actually MEN who suffer as much from domestic violence as women, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah.
It would be pathetic if it weren’t so vicious. The statistics (what statistics governments DO keep, of course) clearly show that women are more likely to suffer rape and murder at the hands of men than vice versa, and that women are most likely the victims of domestic abuse, but this doesn’t stop men who–out of either self-pity or genuine hatred of women–want us all to quit thinking about women (and children) who are victims and focus on people who are, as a group, stronger and more likely to have access to money. These men want us to forget how vulnerable women are when they are pregnant or have small children to care for, and focus only on men.
Narcissism much?
“men who–out of either self-pity or genuine hatred of women–want us all to quit thinking about women (and children)”
Nope, that’s not it. Some of them wonder why women get involved with these men in the first place. There are men out there that many men will have nothing to do with. There are men out there we would not talk to in a bar or look in the eye. There are men out there we just do not trust. But there are women out there who walk right into their arms and we don’t know why and no one will tell us.
A couple of quotes from past academic studies of domestic violence:
“Women were more likely than men to engage in any, as well as in severe, partner aggression and in any parent aggression…” from Slep, A. M. S., & O’Leary, S. G. (2005). Parent and Partner Violence in Families With Young Children: Rates, Patterns, and Connections. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 73(3), 435–444
“Given that Stets and Straus found that three times as many women as men used severe violence against a nonviolent partner, treatment for female batterers seems a necessity.” from chapter 2 (page 41) of ‘Family Interventions in Domestic Violence’ edited by John Hamel and Tonia Nicholls.
Do you think that using insults and unfounded accusations such as “all the misogynists”, “pathetic if it weren’t so vicious”” , “these men want us to forget how vulnerable women are” is an example of reasoned debate, or abusive behaviour?
Insults and unfounded arguments are all feminists have. They are evil.
Why do you only focus on male wrongdoing? Any categories of wrongdoing that women predominate in?
Feminism can neve solve any problem it claims to care about. You are always going to have wrongdoing in a society and feminism will be no more effective than prescribing jelly to all infant boys.
Feminism makes men weak and passive. A man feeling weak and passive is much more likely to lash out than a confident male. As women are more masculinised than before, men will feel no ethical reason why they should not hit a woman if they would hit a man in the same situation. Feminism claims it can change men but it has nothing like the resonance of a belief system that would be required to change widespread behaviours.
Plus there is such a thing as free speech and thought. You cannot make people care about, or define their responses to, your arguments. Feminists despise this, but there it is.
Nobody wants to stop thinking about women being abused. Women abusing children is 75% of the time. That is taboo. Most often against male children. That’s is taboo. Violence against men is taboo. Only one sector is not accountable. Just treat everyone according to their needs