I love Giles’ pieces, even when I disagree with them. He is a fundamentally good man.
As an aside, seeing clips of her when she was young, it struck me how ordinary she was, not gifted in any way – I could imagine her as a well-to-do middle class housewife getting on with a normal family life. Yet she was capable of extraordinary things by virtue of an extraordinary sense of duty & service. In that way she was someone we could all relate to & an example to follow in our everyday lives. We could relate to her, despite the surrounding pomp & circumstance, & she perhaps made us realise that being average was not such a bad thing. I believe it was the basis of a large part of her popularity.
I’ve recently read that she told President Hollande that she would have liked to have been an actress. His response: ‘Surely, you are an actress to some extent?’ HM, with a sigh: ‘Yes, but its always the same role.’
She certainly did a great job as a Bond girl.
This is such an insightful comment–describing the Queen as an ordinary person with an “extraordinary sense of duty and service”, and as such, was “an example to follow in our everyday lives”. She was truly an inspiration.
I think what comes across is that she did have amazing gifts: a prodigious memory (for statesmen and racehorses alike); a huge store of knowledge and the ability to select the right bit of information for the occasion; great wisdom, a gift for handling people and putting them at their ease; and the gift of being able to enjoy life and make people laugh.
You are right about the extraordinary sense of duty and service.
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Nanda Kishor das
1 year ago
Great article, as always. I wonder what the author means, though, when he says “monarchy comes to an end.” I have deep admiration for King Charles, and yet it would seem his traditionalist stance is too uncomfortable for the current direction of travel… Anyway, I do hope the very best for his monarchy, and pray it may be long.
What he meant is that Monarchs, and Monarchies, come to an end, but God prevails.
“Only the king of kings prevails forever.”
For those of us on this earth it all comes down to the same thing in the end. We are all equal in death ( edit: and in life), and Elizabeth seems to have understood that.
”the form of liturgy that is being used is remarkably ordinary; in fact, very similar to the prayers and form of service that I use week in week out at the local crem. At its core, there is a democracy in death.
The funeral service included John Ellerton’s hymn ‘The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended’. It includes the words ‘thy throne shall never, like earth’s proud empires, pass away’. Said to have been Queen Victoria’s favourite hymn – somewhat to the discomfort of her ministers.
Monarchy comes to an end? Christ, not man, is king?
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
As I watch the funeral, I note Of course, that big brother BBC just has to emphasise its ” diverse inclusive multi racial” woke National Socialist agenda, concentrating on non white people and politicians arriving at Westminster Abbey, and matching its commentary accordingly.
It is craw choking that The BBC invades even a Royal Funeral with this agenda and its ceaseless brainwash propaganda.
I tried watching their coverage on YouTube when they were carrying the Queen to the Abbey and they kept talking over it. Drove me up the wall nearly. Switched to Sky News in the end who were excellent throughout.
I tried them all and assure you the most enjoyable was GB News because the commentary by Al Stewart and David Starkey was more interesting than the humble dirge of other channels.
I have no time for the BBC but have you considered such focus could add some balm to the brewing racial tensions, that there is a multiracial respect, indeed mourning for the Queen which transcends manufactured activist false division in our community? If so the BBC’s cynicism will backfire in similar fashion to the poorly timed republican protest. I feel reassured, half a million white faces in a queue would be cause for alarm. It’s a turning point, a new king, a new PM, the silent majority are awake for once. I’ve seen no black or asian faces with placards.
The crowds at Windsor were overwhelmingly white. Other than soldiers and police officers there were few black faces, and none that I could see from the subcontinent. Why should that be?
I’m watching on Sky. Didn’t even occur to me to watch on the BBC, as I knew it would make me angry. A beautiful occasion and so lovely to see the two, young royal children taking part.
Interesting. I watched from a hotel conference room in Bruges Belgium and recall noticing only one single person of color in the scene. I remarked to my wife that it will criticized at some point for that fact.
Anyway, if that funeral service was considered ordinary in any sense of the word, then I have been misinformed of the word all my life.
I imagine your Chief of Staff insisted on the Beeb?
Mine certainly did, and so acting on the kind advice of Phil Rees Esq, I fled to my ‘hut’ and watched it on GB News.
Sławomir Nowosad
1 year ago
Many thanks, Giles.
The democracy of death – the monarchy of life! The crucifix is at the coffin.
I’ve always thought that for most of us, in the west anyway, there is a democracy of life too. I can use the same roads that the richest use and they satisfy the same basic desires and bodily functions in the same way I do. That’s not always been the case.
I can certainly agree with you, Ian, that there is a democracy of life as you depict it. My point was, and is, that death notwithstanding life reigns and is for all – as one might say the late Queen was for all in so many ways. Hence I pointed at the crucifix, the cross of Christ, which is the promise of life because the Lord is the life. Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.
John Ramsden
1 year ago
It may seem a bit stark, and be more of a pagan outlook, but I think I prefer the advice of one of King Edwin of Northumbria’s councellors, persuading him to convert to Christianity in the year 627 AD
“It seems to me thus, oh king, that this present life of men on earth, in comparison to the time that is unknown to us, is as if you were sitting at your dinner tables with your noblemen, warmed in the hall, and it rained and it snowed and it hailed and one sparrow came from outside and quickly flew through the hall and it came in through one door and went out through the other. Lo! During the time that he was inside, he was not touched by the storm of the winter. But that is the blink of an eye and the least amount of time, but he immediately comes from winter into winter again. So then this life of men appears for a short amount of time; what came before or what follows after, we do not know.”
Jen Segal
1 year ago
Thoughtful and wonderful essay. I particularly enjoyed the rumination on the dialectic from the prior king’s oratory. How human to use the piece of the argument that reinforces our essential vanity. Made me smile.
Aaron James
1 year ago
”The Queen shows the democracy of death”
Oh. come on Giles, have you looked at the TV? The MSM? Stood the 13 hours in line?
That is – of all the world, that is only for our Beloved Queen Elizabeth.
If you mean, like Canute, she cannot live forever or stop the tides – OK, I get that – but her death is the very opposite of Democracy In Death. It is universal, I would give you that – but the 98 Sailors pulling the Gun Carriage, the millions standing on the route, the marching soldiers, bowed heads, weeping, reflecting on our life, the Royal Chappel where HRH Elizabeth and Phillip will be laid together….
Of course it’s not but Aaron is completely right. Watching the ceremony from a thousand miles away his words echo my feelings. Giles is just another journalist.
It escapes me what Aaron is right about and what he objects to.
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
“This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,–This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England”
Perhaps the Bard put it better?
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Nicholas Rowe
1 year ago
Holland subsequently wrote in his book, So as by Fire, Meditations on the War, that Christianity had deepened the dreadfulness of death. Neither here nor in his previous works does Holland see death in terms of democracy.
If anything, democracy is not only a bore, if it’s true as a medicinal remedy for the cruelty of hierarchical societies, it’s untrue as food. Our hearts tell us so. The person who does not honour a queen, instead honours television celebrities, rock stars, or footballers.
In his book, Christ or Ecclesiastes, Holland juxtaposes two biblical passages, Eccles.ix.5,6 and Rev.i.17,18. If the dead know neither hatred nor love, and if their envy has perished, they know not democracy. Without Christ rising from the dead, as the Apostle Paul argued, people are still in their sins. Those things they retain, despite death. Christianity has deepened the dreadfulness of death.
How much of all the readings and sermons in the late Queen’s funeral will the watching public have understood? Of all the other things the late Queen inspired others to do and achieve, will they be inspired to adopt her faith? If they don’t understand it, the very steadfast thing that motivated her day by day, will they come to realise that there is a veil between them and the person they so admired? Did they really know her at all?
What a pity that the late Queen could not keep the country like herself over seventy years. Unchanging and Christian.
The late Queen lived her life in her stated belief that at the end she would have to stand before the judgement seat of Christ. Rather typically for Holland and his thinking, in Christ or Ecclesiastes, Holland considered that hereafter it would be our failures that might bless us the most. Holland quoted Browning’s poem, Rabbi Ben Ezra. “All I could never be; all men ignored in me; that I am worth to God, Whose wheel the pitcher shaped.” Who knows, Holland asked, what is going on in secret behind these failures. They humble us, break us down, distress us to the point of not wanting to make them again. But, Holland should have added, they must bring the soul to the point of crying, “What must I do to be saved?”
“How much of all the readings and sermons in the late Queen’s funeral will the watching public have understood?”
An interesting comment overall. But, where does you’re assumption come from? Though you are careful to pose it as a question, not a statement of fact. How many understood, do you think?
“If anything, democracy is not only a bore, if it’s true as a medicinal remedy for the cruelty of hierarchical societies, it’s untrue as food.”
That, if I’ve understood it, is a very interesting statement.
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CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Why was King Richard III not given a State Funeral in 2015 can anyone answer?
I am so glad to hear that ‘I did it my way’ is no longer as popular as it was!
Maureen Finucane
1 year ago
I am wondering if the new series of The Crown coming up will investigate Prince Phillip’s links with Stephen Ward who was his osteopath and the Christine Keeler circle. No doubt we will never know. I have no doubt the Queen endured years of infidelity and bad treatment by her husband. If Diana had played the Royal game, she would have turned a blind eye to Charles infidelity, smiled and just waited until she was Queen.
In the case of Prince Andrew, I think we can skip a DNA test. His visual resemblance to Lord Porchester is too damning. But for any alleged Royal drawing any kind of benefit from public funds, DNA testing is long overdue.
Maureen Finucane
1 year ago
The sight of Truss making that speech makes me want to throw up but mercifully it wasn’t Boris.
If it had been Johnson, he would have read it in the original Greek. It might as well have been, for all that many of the public would have understood it.
Maureen Finucane
1 year ago
I couldn’t give a sh#5 about Charlie and the other ponces. I’m off.
I sympathise. But you may have misunderstood our preacher. If the Queen laid aside her crown and office, death has democratised her, is his conclusion. Or as Oliver Cromwell put it, Christ, not man, is king.
It’s a strange thought, though. Love’s last gift – democracy.
James Kirk
1 year ago
What’s God got to do with it? She was 96. Outstripped three score years and ten by a wide margin and led a long productive and generally beloved life. Head of the C of E it is appropriate that the Church deals with the funeral. I doubt many of those half million queuing to see the coffin or millions more watching TV give God a second thought beyond why not 100?.
James has hit the nail square on. Don’t be surprised, though, if the King’s advisers have him blessed at his coronation by druids, Wiccans, and shamans.
“I doubt many of those half million queuing to see the coffin or millions more watching TV give God a second thought beyond why not 100?.” Quite an incredible statement. But really, just a doubt in your mind, which, really, is if no consequence. Why not quell your doubt through fact? But how?
As predictable, you get down votes from the right wing Monarchists on this site posing as controversial. I downvoted you by accident, sorry. Meant to be an upvote!
But one gets a right of reply here which is not guaranteed on MSM, and there are always different viewpoints documented to give one pause for thought. How boring to be so set in your ways that you don’t want to be mentally stimulated…
Paul Foote
1 year ago
I didn’t watch any of it or read about it because my only thought on it is, “good riddance!” There is nothing democratic about monarchy, it should all be done away with. If not voluntarily, then the French or Russian method will suffice.
French are on their fifth Republic since 1792. The first one was born with many deaths and great cruelty. The present Republic only dates from 1958.
With all its faults, the UK, an evolving democracy, has had stable governance under the Crown for centuries. We make our oath of loyalty to a person. In the US, it’s to a piece of coloured cloth.
I love Giles’ pieces, even when I disagree with them. He is a fundamentally good man.
As an aside, seeing clips of her when she was young, it struck me how ordinary she was, not gifted in any way – I could imagine her as a well-to-do middle class housewife getting on with a normal family life. Yet she was capable of extraordinary things by virtue of an extraordinary sense of duty & service. In that way she was someone we could all relate to & an example to follow in our everyday lives. We could relate to her, despite the surrounding pomp & circumstance, & she perhaps made us realise that being average was not such a bad thing. I believe it was the basis of a large part of her popularity.
I gather she is on record as saying that had she not been Queen she would have liked to have been a farmer’s wife in the Forest of Bowland.
I’ve recently read that she told President Hollande that she would have liked to have been an actress. His response: ‘Surely, you are an actress to some extent?’ HM, with a sigh: ‘Yes, but its always the same role.’
She certainly did a great job as a Bond girl.
She did indeed.
This is such an insightful comment–describing the Queen as an ordinary person with an “extraordinary sense of duty and service”, and as such, was “an example to follow in our everyday lives”. She was truly an inspiration.
I think what comes across is that she did have amazing gifts: a prodigious memory (for statesmen and racehorses alike); a huge store of knowledge and the ability to select the right bit of information for the occasion; great wisdom, a gift for handling people and putting them at their ease; and the gift of being able to enjoy life and make people laugh.
You are right about the extraordinary sense of duty and service.
Great article, as always. I wonder what the author means, though, when he says “monarchy comes to an end.” I have deep admiration for King Charles, and yet it would seem his traditionalist stance is too uncomfortable for the current direction of travel… Anyway, I do hope the very best for his monarchy, and pray it may be long.
What he meant is that Monarchs, and Monarchies, come to an end, but God prevails.
“Only the king of kings prevails forever.”
For those of us on this earth it all comes down to the same thing in the end. We are all equal in death ( edit: and in life), and Elizabeth seems to have understood that.
”the form of liturgy that is being used is remarkably ordinary; in fact, very similar to the prayers and form of service that I use week in week out at the local crem. At its core, there is a democracy in death.
The funeral service included John Ellerton’s hymn ‘The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended’. It includes the words ‘thy throne shall never, like earth’s proud empires, pass away’. Said to have been Queen Victoria’s favourite hymn – somewhat to the discomfort of her ministers.
Monarchy comes to an end? Christ, not man, is king?
As I watch the funeral, I note Of course, that big brother BBC just has to emphasise its ” diverse inclusive multi racial” woke National Socialist agenda, concentrating on non white people and politicians arriving at Westminster Abbey, and matching its commentary accordingly.
It is craw choking that The BBC invades even a Royal Funeral with this agenda and its ceaseless brainwash propaganda.
Turn to ITV, much better
GB new,s is the best!
I tried watching their coverage on YouTube when they were carrying the Queen to the Abbey and they kept talking over it. Drove me up the wall nearly. Switched to Sky News in the end who were excellent throughout.
I tried them all and assure you the most enjoyable was GB News because the commentary by Al Stewart and David Starkey was more interesting than the humble dirge of other channels.
I have no time for the BBC but have you considered such focus could add some balm to the brewing racial tensions, that there is a multiracial respect, indeed mourning for the Queen which transcends manufactured activist false division in our community? If so the BBC’s cynicism will backfire in similar fashion to the poorly timed republican protest. I feel reassured, half a million white faces in a queue would be cause for alarm. It’s a turning point, a new king, a new PM, the silent majority are awake for once. I’ve seen no black or asian faces with placards.
The crowds at Windsor were overwhelmingly white. Other than soldiers and police officers there were few black faces, and none that I could see from the subcontinent. Why should that be?
Slough is quite a long way away. Or perhaps too busy rioting in Leicester, take your pick.
I’d hope so as 87% of the population are white.
I was struck today by how diverse my crowd was. People from all over, shows how powerful the Crown is a unifying force.
I’m watching on Sky. Didn’t even occur to me to watch on the BBC, as I knew it would make me angry. A beautiful occasion and so lovely to see the two, young royal children taking part.
Interesting. I watched from a hotel conference room in Bruges Belgium and recall noticing only one single person of color in the scene. I remarked to my wife that it will criticized at some point for that fact.
Anyway, if that funeral service was considered ordinary in any sense of the word, then I have been misinformed of the word all my life.
Which one, Baroness Scotland, HM ‘s equerry, one of the pall beaters, various clergy, the choristers? The various members of the armed forces?
What childish, mean spirited, nonsense. National Socialist agenda! You should be ashamed of yourself.
I imagine your Chief of Staff insisted on the Beeb?
Mine certainly did, and so acting on the kind advice of Phil Rees Esq, I fled to my ‘hut’ and watched it on GB News.
Many thanks, Giles.
The democracy of death – the monarchy of life! The crucifix is at the coffin.
I’ve always thought that for most of us, in the west anyway, there is a democracy of life too. I can use the same roads that the richest use and they satisfy the same basic desires and bodily functions in the same way I do. That’s not always been the case.
I can certainly agree with you, Ian, that there is a democracy of life as you depict it. My point was, and is, that death notwithstanding life reigns and is for all – as one might say the late Queen was for all in so many ways. Hence I pointed at the crucifix, the cross of Christ, which is the promise of life because the Lord is the life. Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.
It may seem a bit stark, and be more of a pagan outlook, but I think I prefer the advice of one of King Edwin of Northumbria’s councellors, persuading him to convert to Christianity in the year 627 AD
“It seems to me thus, oh king, that this present life of men on earth, in comparison to the time that is unknown to us, is as if you were sitting at your dinner tables with your noblemen, warmed in the hall, and it rained and it snowed and it hailed and one sparrow came from outside and quickly flew through the hall and it came in through one door and went out through the other. Lo! During the time that he was inside, he was not touched by the storm of the winter. But that is the blink of an eye and the least amount of time, but he immediately comes from winter into winter again. So then this life of men appears for a short amount of time; what came before or what follows after, we do not know.”
Thoughtful and wonderful essay. I particularly enjoyed the rumination on the dialectic from the prior king’s oratory. How human to use the piece of the argument that reinforces our essential vanity. Made me smile.
”The Queen shows the democracy of death”
Oh. come on Giles, have you looked at the TV? The MSM? Stood the 13 hours in line?
That is – of all the world, that is only for our Beloved Queen Elizabeth.
If you mean, like Canute, she cannot live forever or stop the tides – OK, I get that – but her death is the very opposite of Democracy In Death. It is universal, I would give you that – but the 98 Sailors pulling the Gun Carriage, the millions standing on the route, the marching soldiers, bowed heads, weeping, reflecting on our life, the Royal Chappel where HRH Elizabeth and Phillip will be laid together….
I’m not completely sure about what you’re saying but I don’t think it’s what Giles was getting at.
Of course it’s not but Aaron is completely right. Watching the ceremony from a thousand miles away his words echo my feelings. Giles is just another journalist.
It escapes me what Aaron is right about and what he objects to.
“This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,–This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England”
Perhaps the Bard put it better?
Holland subsequently wrote in his book, So as by Fire, Meditations on the War, that Christianity had deepened the dreadfulness of death. Neither here nor in his previous works does Holland see death in terms of democracy.
If anything, democracy is not only a bore, if it’s true as a medicinal remedy for the cruelty of hierarchical societies, it’s untrue as food. Our hearts tell us so. The person who does not honour a queen, instead honours television celebrities, rock stars, or footballers.
In his book, Christ or Ecclesiastes, Holland juxtaposes two biblical passages, Eccles.ix.5,6 and Rev.i.17,18. If the dead know neither hatred nor love, and if their envy has perished, they know not democracy. Without Christ rising from the dead, as the Apostle Paul argued, people are still in their sins. Those things they retain, despite death. Christianity has deepened the dreadfulness of death.
How much of all the readings and sermons in the late Queen’s funeral will the watching public have understood? Of all the other things the late Queen inspired others to do and achieve, will they be inspired to adopt her faith? If they don’t understand it, the very steadfast thing that motivated her day by day, will they come to realise that there is a veil between them and the person they so admired? Did they really know her at all?
What a pity that the late Queen could not keep the country like herself over seventy years. Unchanging and Christian.
The late Queen lived her life in her stated belief that at the end she would have to stand before the judgement seat of Christ. Rather typically for Holland and his thinking, in Christ or Ecclesiastes, Holland considered that hereafter it would be our failures that might bless us the most. Holland quoted Browning’s poem, Rabbi Ben Ezra. “All I could never be; all men ignored in me; that I am worth to God, Whose wheel the pitcher shaped.” Who knows, Holland asked, what is going on in secret behind these failures. They humble us, break us down, distress us to the point of not wanting to make them again. But, Holland should have added, they must bring the soul to the point of crying, “What must I do to be saved?”
“How much of all the readings and sermons in the late Queen’s funeral will the watching public have understood?”
An interesting comment overall. But, where does you’re assumption come from? Though you are careful to pose it as a question, not a statement of fact. How many understood, do you think?
“If anything, democracy is not only a bore, if it’s true as a medicinal remedy for the cruelty of hierarchical societies, it’s untrue as food.”
That, if I’ve understood it, is a very interesting statement.
Why was King Richard III not given a State Funeral in 2015 can anyone answer?
Haha! Excellent!
An unsentimental funeral seems oxymoronic to me.
Why bother?
There was an option on I-player to watch without commentary. Bliss!
The Royal family YouTube channel showed the whole ceremony with no commentary at all.
In a dense web of meaning and belonging, Death is no tragedy.
https://ukresponse.substack.com/p/what-is-success-anyway
I am so glad to hear that ‘I did it my way’ is no longer as popular as it was!
I am wondering if the new series of The Crown coming up will investigate Prince Phillip’s links with Stephen Ward who was his osteopath and the Christine Keeler circle. No doubt we will never know. I have no doubt the Queen endured years of infidelity and bad treatment by her husband. If Diana had played the Royal game, she would have turned a blind eye to Charles infidelity, smiled and just waited until she was Queen.
What about Lord Porchester?
In the case of Prince Andrew, I think we can skip a DNA test. His visual resemblance to Lord Porchester is too damning. But for any alleged Royal drawing any kind of benefit from public funds, DNA testing is long overdue.
The sight of Truss making that speech makes me want to throw up but mercifully it wasn’t Boris.
If it had been Johnson, he would have read it in the original Greek. It might as well have been, for all that many of the public would have understood it.
I couldn’t give a sh#5 about Charlie and the other ponces. I’m off.
I sympathise. But you may have misunderstood our preacher. If the Queen laid aside her crown and office, death has democratised her, is his conclusion. Or as Oliver Cromwell put it, Christ, not man, is king.
It’s a strange thought, though. Love’s last gift – democracy.
What’s God got to do with it? She was 96. Outstripped three score years and ten by a wide margin and led a long productive and generally beloved life. Head of the C of E it is appropriate that the Church deals with the funeral. I doubt many of those half million queuing to see the coffin or millions more watching TV give God a second thought beyond why not 100?.
God has everything to do with it because all the Queen’s hopes were in him.
I think the content might have escaped you.
More down votes from all the right wing duds on this site
Tip – if you downvote by mistake – just upvote to correct it – that’s how it works, dontcha know?
I suspect she hails from the Emerald Isle, thus case explained?
James has hit the nail square on. Don’t be surprised, though, if the King’s advisers have him blessed at his coronation by druids, Wiccans, and shamans.
I hope not all right wingers are deluded god botherers.
“I doubt many of those half million queuing to see the coffin or millions more watching TV give God a second thought beyond why not 100?.”
Quite an incredible statement. But really, just a doubt in your mind, which, really, is if no consequence. Why not quell your doubt through fact? But how?
What an incredible amount of inane waffle.
In what way does it seem to be waffle?
As predictable, you get down votes from the right wing Monarchists on this site posing as controversial. I downvoted you by accident, sorry. Meant to be an upvote!
Monarchists maybe … but how do you know if they are right wing? … how do you know they are posing?
Oh look. This publication calling itself anti establishment is full of pro Monarchist establishment crawlers.
Define Establishment ?
I am unsubscribing. This is an establishment publication just like all the rest.
But one gets a right of reply here which is not guaranteed on MSM, and there are always different viewpoints documented to give one pause for thought. How boring to be so set in your ways that you don’t want to be mentally stimulated…
I didn’t watch any of it or read about it because my only thought on it is, “good riddance!” There is nothing democratic about monarchy, it should all be done away with. If not voluntarily, then the French or Russian method will suffice.
‘We’ tried that once and it didn’t work, or have you forgotten?
Yes and his name was Charles….
If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.
Yes indeed “The Good Old Cause “ is not yet dead, in fact quite flourishing in the USA.
So you are proposing a war where 10% of the male population is killed ?
French are on their fifth Republic since 1792. The first one was born with many deaths and great cruelty. The present Republic only dates from 1958.
With all its faults, the UK, an evolving democracy, has had stable governance under the Crown for centuries. We make our oath of loyalty to a person. In the US, it’s to a piece of coloured cloth.