This was an interesting and informative article until the last paragraph. The woman who actually worked in the force, who had the 25 years experience, who was the trailblazer, confirms that the majority of policemen are decent people.
The misandrist activist can’t believe that and demands a “warts and all” expose, otherwise known as a hit piece.
Like all activists, she massively inflates the actions of a minority. Thus Britain becomes institutionally racist, homophobic, blah blah, rather than a tolerant country where a few intolerant people live.
The thing you have to bear in mind though is that she doesn’t accept that version of events, so there.
Also I thought “a recent Times expose showed that many disciplinaries of male police officers involving vulnerable females are held in private” was particularly laughable. Unless there’s something specific to the police I’m not aware of, aren’t disciplinary hearings supposed to be held in private? They’re not criminal trials, they’re purely internal procedures to establish whether misconduct has taken place.
Yes, I agree. But there is another egregious claim … Still, the impression one could be left with, having read Malton’s book, is that the vast majority of male police officers are exemplary, brave public servants. I don’t accept this version of events. Malton’s story is inspiring, but even though it’s now 25 years since she left the Met, she remains in many ways fiercely loyal to her tribe. You know the saying: once a copper, always a copper. … the directed ad hominem of the ‘appeal to motive’ towards Malton as in once a copper, always a copper, in order to discredit Malton’s loyalty to the Met.
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
…where’s the “women hating” in all the stuff you’ve mentioned Julie? The fact pretty much all men are prone to rudeness about females and sexuality generally, doesn’t mean that behavior must be interpreted as “hate” for women. Some men may well “hate” having to be interdependent with them for sex and much else, but it seems to me you have much the same attitude towards having to deal with men. Strange how nobody talks about women wanting their separateness, or disliking boorish male behavior as being misandry.
They probably weren’t. Every system is fallible. Hence the court of appeals.
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AC Harper
1 year ago
And what *if* a degree of macho attitude is necessary to deal with criminals, who are mostly young violent men? If that is the case then pushing for a sex or gender blind police service would be counterproductive – unless you put the sensitivities of some women above actual policing.
So yes, allegations of sexual abuse need to be treated properly, and those found guilty suffer a penalty. But let’s not make that the be all and end all of police culture. Arresting malefactors comes first.
Chris Hume
1 year ago
Still, the impression one could be left with, having read Malton’s book, is that the vast majority of male police officers are exemplary, brave public servants. I don’t accept this version of events.
Ideologues rarely accept anything that undermines their worldview.
Bryan Dale
1 year ago
It’s not sexist for men to behave like men. What is sexist is demanding that they stop behaving like men or even start behaving like women. I believe men and women can and should work together, but that means both accepting the behavioural differences of the other.
Absolutely. Women on the force, the military, and even firefighting have much to contribute, but we are not physically strong enough to do the real heavy lifting. Analysis, communication, interrogation – we’re very proficient in these areas. But we’ve all seen video of female officers simply incapable of restraining a suspect, or having their weapons taken, or standing aside while their male colleagues do the rough stuff.
Men and women thrive as a symbiosis: my husband is the one who will climb a ladder three stories to rake snow off the roof; I’ll be there with homemade soup, a hot bath, and a Band of Brothers dvd at the ready when he comes down (provided I haven’t had to call an ambulance).
RJ Kent
1 year ago
What a load of boarlocks. I worked at many London police stations 1978-2014 and the vast majority of cops, both male and female were decent people. Similarly with the civvies.
There was a black lady I know who decided to change jobs join the police (I suspect not as easy for a white man to suddenly “join the police”).
A few months later, while having tea with her in our house
1. She casually mentioned how she “knew” that she would face racism and sexism.
2. She also went through her actual experiences with policemen, and invariably they were polite and bent backward to help her ease in.
The latter somehow (and unsurprisingly) did not change her mind about the former.
What was also clear was the real reason women like her would feel harassed. In a short period, she had lost weight and looked tired.
Very obviously, police work even in training was tough compared to the comfy ob she had (which was also mostly women, incidentally).
But I am sure she would soon switch to a nice relaxing desk job in the police, while the “sexist” men alongside her could go on with the catching criminals bit.
Graham Strugnell
1 year ago
The anecdote about 10 p pieces and foreskins is ridiculous, as any man will know. It would be a struggle to keep one 10p there, and physically very painful. Also, the attempt of a non police officer to impugn the account of one who is reveals much about the author’s desire to twist the truth her way.
Definitely heard that story before – not by the police but in a rugby club (if memory serves). Probably a FOAF? Unless the coppers also heard the same story as me and ill-advisedly thought to give it a go in real life.
The bigger question raised is whether lesbians’ disconnectedness from the wider shared world of men and women should disqualify them from roles like being a police constable.
So many of their views are inevitably the combination simply of fantasy and their own personal issues.
William Shaw
1 year ago
“the impression one could be left with, having read Malton’s book, is that the vast majority of male police officers are exemplary, brave public servants. I don’t accept this version of events.”
As usual, you believe the worst and only the parts that fit with your misandry.
No surprise.
As for “woman hating,” that’s a significant misunderstanding on your part. The reported comments from men may be insulting and shocking but I doubt there is much, if any, woman hating going on.
Why can’t we focus on the job they’re all supposed to do, which they’re not. ie preventing/dealing with crime.
Ben J
1 year ago
* sigh*
Richard Craven
1 year ago
“Indeed, the College of Policing was this month compelled to issue a statement” For goodness sake Julie, we’ve only just had Pride Month. Cottage of Policing if you please.
Ben J
1 year ago
I see you changed the click-baity, misandrist title of the original piece.
Yes there seem to be more and more sensationalist titles on this site, as well as an excess of tendentious articles like this one. I doubt I’ll be subscribed for much longer unless there’s a change for the better.
Read the article for a simple and clear answer to your question. FTFY.
Ben P
1 year ago
JUST ARREST CRIMINALS AND DO THE BEAT TO PREVENT CRIME
Alan Groff
1 year ago
Odd article. People do horrible things, cops use their power to rape. People commit murder. But over 99% don’t, and are good people. This author blurs lines and implies men are the average of those groups and it’s systemic. The thinking isn’t just muddled, it’s harmful. Getting power by seeing victimhood everywhere is an insult to victims.
Benedict Waterson
1 year ago
Bindel is a monomaniac and a bore. She doesn’t have much to share except standard feminist cliches and widely held common sense views on ‘trans’..
If her prejudices about the intrinsic evil of men & ‘Patriarchy’ are not confirmed at all times, she becomes agitated and confused, and demands that they should be
Aaron James
1 year ago
It is easy to tear down, but then does it get built back up?
Graffiti Avenue
1 year ago
I don’t think the police are Mancho or even sexist I see the modern police very silly & almost clown like & are more interested in dancing the Macarena in a pride event.When it comes too going after gangland criminals they seem too ignore them, like it’s not are problem beat & shot anyone at random we won’t get involved same with the,middle class student going around taking a hammer to the petrol station pumps.We live in society now we’re people get away with murder and the victim has no help at all.The courts are not in their favour when a crime against them happens.Police can not even search people now that they are deemed racist or it against His or Her human rights for Police just do what the law tell’s them.
Jorge Espinha
1 year ago
Julie, I’m really really sorry for the terrible experiences you had with men. Any male can imagine the kind of violence we are capable of. I also know men that had negative experiences with women or that feel dismissed by them. These men developed a defensive and often misogynist reaction towards women. For them, women are all (you can fill in the blank it’s not nice). These men are wrong. You are wrong. I feel sorry for your poor experiences but, Julie I didn’t brutalise you. It’s not my fault.
Mark M Breza
1 year ago
Was the feminist revolution all just so women can work the same bad jobs as men do !
The ones who truly believe in equality, can be drafted in the next major war.
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
The Ripper investigation was not held back by because lead investigator George Oldfield believed that the prostitutes ‘deserved it’. It was held back because he believed that the Ripper was only interested in prostitutes and he therefore assumed that several attacks on women who weren’t prostitutes had not been committed by the Ripper. That and the inability of the police to handle huge volumes of information in a pre-computer age.
Rhys Jaggar
1 year ago
It’s amazing how dissonant my personal life experience has been compared to all these industries/sectors which are rife with misogyny. I’ve never seen misogyny once in a workplace and I’ve seen some absolutely disgusting careerist behaviour by women in that time as well.
I’ve been put under electronic surveillance by women who apparently can’t be leered at in retribution. I’ve had 27 year old women actively conspire with 40 year old women to try and force me out of employment. I’ve had a 27 year old woman refuse to answer to me, force me out of my job, take it over, then come shamelessly seeking free advice because they couldn’t do the job to the standard I did it. I drafted, but did not send, an email to my former chairman saying: ‘I am most uncomfortable saying ‘F**k off you obnoxious c**t’, it not being the language of business….’
I’ve seen a woman tell lecturers in business school that she had to get an A grade because she had been to Harvard and so knew everything about what an A grade was. That’s called cheating, for women that don’t know about these things. That same woman was then self-righteously implying that other people there needed to consider her opinions in matters they were not involved in, because women have a very shrewd understanding of how controlling others without their consent works.
I was told by a teenage woman that ‘You can’t be allowed to do medicine’, but apparently, nothing I say to them can have any effect on them. That is pure misandryst sexism and it’s high time that it was criminalised.
Thousands of sexist women would be prosecuted if their criminality were actually prosecuted…..
Here’s a list of things I’ve NEVER heard in my lifetime:
Go and have babies, dear.
Your tits are your biggest career asset.
Wolf-whistling in the office.
If you want to be promoted, suck my c**k, darling.
I’ve heard about plenty of office pairs illicitly bonking (not literally) and none of the women were anything but fully consenting enthusiastic participants. Several were screwing very senior men for career advancement. I’ve never once seen a 20 something man screwing a 45 year old female executive for preferment: EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES, PLEASE!!
Clearly I need to go work on building sites, in the police, in medicine and in the City. Those places must be totally full of sexist, arrogant, prostitute-using masonic misogynists.
Kingsley Baconhausen
1 year ago
It always makes me laugh when conservatives ideologies get called out on this site and all of the usual suspects cry foul. Extreme right and extreme left are interchangeable at this point, and only serve to damage society. If you defend your tribe so blindly that blatant misogyny is excusable than you are no better than an entitled trans activist trying to normalize adult entertainers reading to children.
This was an interesting and informative article until the last paragraph. The woman who actually worked in the force, who had the 25 years experience, who was the trailblazer, confirms that the majority of policemen are decent people.
The misandrist activist can’t believe that and demands a “warts and all” expose, otherwise known as a hit piece.
Like all activists, she massively inflates the actions of a minority. Thus Britain becomes institutionally racist, homophobic, blah blah, rather than a tolerant country where a few intolerant people live.
The thing you have to bear in mind though is that she doesn’t accept that version of events, so there.
Also I thought “a recent Times expose showed that many disciplinaries of male police officers involving vulnerable females are held in private” was particularly laughable. Unless there’s something specific to the police I’m not aware of, aren’t disciplinary hearings supposed to be held in private? They’re not criminal trials, they’re purely internal procedures to establish whether misconduct has taken place.
Yes, I agree. But there is another egregious claim …
Still, the impression one could be left with, having read Malton’s book, is that the vast majority of male police officers are exemplary, brave public servants. I don’t accept this version of events. Malton’s story is inspiring, but even though it’s now 25 years since she left the Met, she remains in many ways fiercely loyal to her tribe. You know the saying: once a copper, always a copper.
… the directed ad hominem of the ‘appeal to motive’ towards Malton as in once a copper, always a copper, in order to discredit Malton’s loyalty to the Met.
…where’s the “women hating” in all the stuff you’ve mentioned Julie? The fact pretty much all men are prone to rudeness about females and sexuality generally, doesn’t mean that behavior must be interpreted as “hate” for women. Some men may well “hate” having to be interdependent with them for sex and much else, but it seems to me you have much the same attitude towards having to deal with men. Strange how nobody talks about women wanting their separateness, or disliking boorish male behavior as being misandry.
I found it a convincing article until that line about “women hating”. Why do so many Unherd writers ruin otherwise well-argued pieces with throwaways?
It was no throwaway……
I am wondering if the macho sexist culture of yore resulted in more criminal convictions than contemporary woke police culture.
Yeah, I didn’t buy the premise either, which is that we want our policemen to be nice.
It may well have – let’s just hope that they were all guilty.
They probably weren’t. Every system is fallible. Hence the court of appeals.
And what *if* a degree of macho attitude is necessary to deal with criminals, who are mostly young violent men? If that is the case then pushing for a sex or gender blind police service would be counterproductive – unless you put the sensitivities of some women above actual policing.
So yes, allegations of sexual abuse need to be treated properly, and those found guilty suffer a penalty. But let’s not make that the be all and end all of police culture. Arresting malefactors comes first.
Ideologues rarely accept anything that undermines their worldview.
It’s not sexist for men to behave like men. What is sexist is demanding that they stop behaving like men or even start behaving like women. I believe men and women can and should work together, but that means both accepting the behavioural differences of the other.
Absolutely. Women on the force, the military, and even firefighting have much to contribute, but we are not physically strong enough to do the real heavy lifting. Analysis, communication, interrogation – we’re very proficient in these areas. But we’ve all seen video of female officers simply incapable of restraining a suspect, or having their weapons taken, or standing aside while their male colleagues do the rough stuff.
Men and women thrive as a symbiosis: my husband is the one who will climb a ladder three stories to rake snow off the roof; I’ll be there with homemade soup, a hot bath, and a Band of Brothers dvd at the ready when he comes down (provided I haven’t had to call an ambulance).
What a load of boarlocks. I worked at many London police stations 1978-2014 and the vast majority of cops, both male and female were decent people. Similarly with the civvies.
There was a black lady I know who decided to change jobs join the police (I suspect not as easy for a white man to suddenly “join the police”).
A few months later, while having tea with her in our house
1. She casually mentioned how she “knew” that she would face racism and sexism.
2. She also went through her actual experiences with policemen, and invariably they were polite and bent backward to help her ease in.
The latter somehow (and unsurprisingly) did not change her mind about the former.
What was also clear was the real reason women like her would feel harassed. In a short period, she had lost weight and looked tired.
Very obviously, police work even in training was tough compared to the comfy ob she had (which was also mostly women, incidentally).
But I am sure she would soon switch to a nice relaxing desk job in the police, while the “sexist” men alongside her could go on with the catching criminals bit.
The anecdote about 10 p pieces and foreskins is ridiculous, as any man will know. It would be a struggle to keep one 10p there, and physically very painful. Also, the attempt of a non police officer to impugn the account of one who is reveals much about the author’s desire to twist the truth her way.
Yep, struck me as a straightforward lie.
I’m not sure it’s clear that it was before the change in size of 10p pieces, either. It stretches credulity, among other things.
32 large coins! I know Julie B is a foreskin-dodger, but surely it must have occurred to her that this was a physical impossibility?
Definitely heard that story before – not by the police but in a rugby club (if memory serves). Probably a FOAF? Unless the coppers also heard the same story as me and ill-advisedly thought to give it a go in real life.
Yes, this is not within her area of expertise.
Glad someone else thought the same. It saved me having to go around the house gathering up all the loose change to prove it was a lie.
The bigger question raised is whether lesbians’ disconnectedness from the wider shared world of men and women should disqualify them from roles like being a police constable.
So many of their views are inevitably the combination simply of fantasy and their own personal issues.
“the impression one could be left with, having read Malton’s book, is that the vast majority of male police officers are exemplary, brave public servants. I don’t accept this version of events.”
As usual, you believe the worst and only the parts that fit with your misandry.
No surprise.
As for “woman hating,” that’s a significant misunderstanding on your part. The reported comments from men may be insulting and shocking but I doubt there is much, if any, woman hating going on.
Why do we pay for this?
Why can’t we focus on the job they’re all supposed to do, which they’re not. ie preventing/dealing with crime.
* sigh*
“Indeed, the College of Policing was this month compelled to issue a statement”
For goodness sake Julie, we’ve only just had Pride Month. Cottage of Policing if you please.
I see you changed the click-baity, misandrist title of the original piece.
Yes there seem to be more and more sensationalist titles on this site, as well as an excess of tendentious articles like this one. I doubt I’ll be subscribed for much longer unless there’s a change for the better.
Male copper are rotters? What, all of them Julie?
Read the article for a simple and clear answer to your question. FTFY.
JUST ARREST CRIMINALS AND DO THE BEAT TO PREVENT CRIME
Odd article. People do horrible things, cops use their power to rape. People commit murder. But over 99% don’t, and are good people. This author blurs lines and implies men are the average of those groups and it’s systemic. The thinking isn’t just muddled, it’s harmful. Getting power by seeing victimhood everywhere is an insult to victims.
Bindel is a monomaniac and a bore. She doesn’t have much to share except standard feminist cliches and widely held common sense views on ‘trans’..
If her prejudices about the intrinsic evil of men & ‘Patriarchy’ are not confirmed at all times, she becomes agitated and confused, and demands that they should be
It is easy to tear down, but then does it get built back up?
I don’t think the police are Mancho or even sexist I see the modern police very silly & almost clown like & are more interested in dancing the Macarena in a pride event.When it comes too going after gangland criminals they seem too ignore them, like it’s not are problem beat & shot anyone at random we won’t get involved same with the,middle class student going around taking a hammer to the petrol station pumps.We live in society now we’re people get away with murder and the victim has no help at all.The courts are not in their favour when a crime against them happens.Police can not even search people now that they are deemed racist or it against His or Her human rights for Police just do what the law tell’s them.
Julie, I’m really really sorry for the terrible experiences you had with men. Any male can imagine the kind of violence we are capable of. I also know men that had negative experiences with women or that feel dismissed by them. These men developed a defensive and often misogynist reaction towards women. For them, women are all (you can fill in the blank it’s not nice). These men are wrong. You are wrong. I feel sorry for your poor experiences but, Julie I didn’t brutalise you. It’s not my fault.
Was the feminist revolution all just so women can work the same bad jobs as men do !
The ones who truly believe in equality, can be drafted in the next major war.
The Ripper investigation was not held back by because lead investigator George Oldfield believed that the prostitutes ‘deserved it’. It was held back because he believed that the Ripper was only interested in prostitutes and he therefore assumed that several attacks on women who weren’t prostitutes had not been committed by the Ripper. That and the inability of the police to handle huge volumes of information in a pre-computer age.
It’s amazing how dissonant my personal life experience has been compared to all these industries/sectors which are rife with misogyny. I’ve never seen misogyny once in a workplace and I’ve seen some absolutely disgusting careerist behaviour by women in that time as well.
I’ve been put under electronic surveillance by women who apparently can’t be leered at in retribution. I’ve had 27 year old women actively conspire with 40 year old women to try and force me out of employment. I’ve had a 27 year old woman refuse to answer to me, force me out of my job, take it over, then come shamelessly seeking free advice because they couldn’t do the job to the standard I did it. I drafted, but did not send, an email to my former chairman saying: ‘I am most uncomfortable saying ‘F**k off you obnoxious c**t’, it not being the language of business….’
I’ve seen a woman tell lecturers in business school that she had to get an A grade because she had been to Harvard and so knew everything about what an A grade was. That’s called cheating, for women that don’t know about these things. That same woman was then self-righteously implying that other people there needed to consider her opinions in matters they were not involved in, because women have a very shrewd understanding of how controlling others without their consent works.
I was told by a teenage woman that ‘You can’t be allowed to do medicine’, but apparently, nothing I say to them can have any effect on them. That is pure misandryst sexism and it’s high time that it was criminalised.
Thousands of sexist women would be prosecuted if their criminality were actually prosecuted…..
Here’s a list of things I’ve NEVER heard in my lifetime:
I’ve heard about plenty of office pairs illicitly bonking (not literally) and none of the women were anything but fully consenting enthusiastic participants. Several were screwing very senior men for career advancement. I’ve never once seen a 20 something man screwing a 45 year old female executive for preferment: EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES, PLEASE!!
Clearly I need to go work on building sites, in the police, in medicine and in the City. Those places must be totally full of sexist, arrogant, prostitute-using masonic misogynists.
It always makes me laugh when conservatives ideologies get called out on this site and all of the usual suspects cry foul. Extreme right and extreme left are interchangeable at this point, and only serve to damage society. If you defend your tribe so blindly that blatant misogyny is excusable than you are no better than an entitled trans activist trying to normalize adult entertainers reading to children.
You’re correct about the extreme-right being the extreme-left, but conservative ideologies are centre-right not extreme-right.
What is extreme right?
Whoever disagres with a leftist.