And yet research after the Brexit Referendum showed the greatest factor for Leavers was ‘taking back control’, with immigration and nostalgia playing smaller roles. Perhaps Eric Kaufman, Professor of Politics at Birkbeck, University of London, is cherry picking what parts of ‘populism’ he uses for his arguments?
yes but once you dig (and not very deep) for different people it meant different things. Larry Elliott (the economic editor of Guardian) voted Leave because “Taking back control” for him meant more state intervention in the economy. Danial Hannan (the libertarian right) wanted UK to be like Norway (free movement, paying money etc) with EU but he also wanted the country to Singapore in the Atlantic.
Guy Haynes
2 years ago
Some interesting analysis, but to me it’s more simple than all that.
I’m not sure whether either candidate has this country’s people’s interests at heart, but I can be absolutely certain that Rishi doesn’t.
Even if it could be argued that he was right to knife Boris when he did, he certainly wasn’t acting in the country’s best interests when he formed his leadership website all those months ago. And he’s completely in thrall to the supranational bodies – who in turn are doing the bidding of the massive multinationals and the super rich.
So if you want immigration to be curbed, if you want small businesses to be prioritised over multinationals, if you want the UK to forge its own way after Brexit, if you want the government – even temporarily – to prioritise getting energy bills down at the expense of net zero…. then you can forget it, because his backers will not let him even if he wants to (something I seriously doubt).
At least there is a small chance that Truss might govern in the general population’s interest. Perhaps that’s more important on the “populist” wing which might explain the stats above.
James Rowlands
2 years ago
Both of them Weimar style politicians. No ideas, no solutions, no drive or determination to succeed. They are both weak cardboard cutouts spouting prepared meaningless phrases for change, that even if they mean them and have the will to carry them out (LOL) will amount to little more than arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
The NHS is a disaster, the education system is utterly incompetent. The armed forces….. the police… the judiciary…. we can make quite a list here…
There are very few politicians who were willing to say it as it is and do the necessary to give the people of this county a future. Thatcher was one of them, but these two……
This county resembles Weimar more with each passing day.
I want a leader not a British version of Joe Biden. When things get tough through continuous squandering of the inheritance of our forefathers I think we will get one and the Jackboots on our throats that comes with it.
“No ideas, no solutions, no drive or determination to succeed” applies equally well to Starmer and Davey. If these are the best our education and politics can produce, then there is something deeply flawed with these institutions. Systemically flawed?
If these are the best our education and politics can produce, then there is something deeply flawed with these institutions. Systemically flawed?
Not beamed from space but the product of the British society.
Christine Hankinson
2 years ago
Labelling attitudes to ‘woke’ and to ‘the culture wars’ is so broad, so ill defined, as to be meaningless. Eg: is an anti-racist, green activist gender critical lesbian woke or non woke? Is being critical of gender stereotypes woke? Or is that transphobic?
At what point does critical race theory challenge a liberal sensibility with regard to British history? I don’t know, you tell me. If the questions don’t make sense you can be sure the answers won’t.
No they are not broad, they are as narrow of the mindset of The National Socialist agenda in nu britn which is LBGT, climate change and ” racism’… is the weapon, that no one seems to dare challenge?
Why does the debate never involve, for example, inmigration in Japan?…. comparison of anti white discrimination in Africa or Pakistan? White representation on TV and in the media in Africa, Pakistan ? the illegality of LGBT, under pain of capital punishment in many muslim countries?
Auslander, basic instinct, but not all basic instincts are right-thinking in a civilised society.
My point was that ‘woke’ was now contradictory therefore meaningless as a term.
Paul King
2 years ago
It is clear to Red Wall voters like me that if you vote Labour you get an North London liberal party, and when you vote Conservative you get a West London liberal party. We don’t want either. Proportional Representation would not go far enough. MPs are supposed to represent their constituency in parliament, not represent their party in parliament. We should do away with political parties altogether and make MPs stand as independents. The only whips should be in the hands of the constituents!
M. M.
2 years ago
Eric Kaufmann wrote, “The pattern is clear and highly statistically significant: immigration sceptics back [Liz] Truss, while those who are content with current numbers lean slightly towards [Rishi] Sunak.”
Most populists doubt that Sunak will enforce the borders because he switched his position on the Rwanda policy in order to win the race for the prime ministership. This policy requires the deportation of illegal aliens to Rwanda. He opposed this policy until he wanted to become prime minister.
By contrast, Truss has consistently supported the Rwanda policy and wants to expand it.
That is still not cause for complete enthusiasm for Truss. After winning an electoral competition, politicians often renege on what they promised.
Such broken promises are common among Republican politicians in the United States. On the campaign trail, they talk the right talk about enforcing borders, but after winning the race for political office, they do not walk the right walk. Under pressure from Hispanic groups and wealthy business owners (from both political parties), these Republican politicians allow the border to remain open.
The result is that open borders have swelled the Hispanic electorate, and Hispanic political power pervades California. Hispanics run the state via the Democratic party, which Hispanics dominate. Democrats control all aspects of government.
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, most residents already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
In Great Britain, only Nigel Farage can be trusted to enforce the borders. He is a genuine Brexiteer and has advocated national sovereignty over pan-nationalism. He is a champion of Western culture.
As for Truss, only time will tell whether she will enforce the borders.
Brelievers couldn’t care less about the economy – they’re idealists, not pragmatists, and their crusade primarily is a romantic, nationalist one. Dry economic arguments just bounce off them. They’re swayed primarily by emotion, not by balance sheets. Truss’ general incoherence reminds them of themselves. Advantage Truss.
Thank you Frank for summarising the views of half the population so eloquently. I’m sure deep down they’re wrong and you’re right, so it must pain you that in spite of this obvious fact, you still lost the argument.
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And yet research after the Brexit Referendum showed the greatest factor for Leavers was ‘taking back control’, with immigration and nostalgia playing smaller roles. Perhaps Eric Kaufman, Professor of Politics at Birkbeck, University of London, is cherry picking what parts of ‘populism’ he uses for his arguments?
yes but once you dig (and not very deep) for different people it meant different things.
Larry Elliott (the economic editor of Guardian) voted Leave because “Taking back control” for him meant more state intervention in the economy.
Danial Hannan (the libertarian right) wanted UK to be like Norway (free movement, paying money etc) with EU but he also wanted the country to Singapore in the Atlantic.
Some interesting analysis, but to me it’s more simple than all that.
I’m not sure whether either candidate has this country’s people’s interests at heart, but I can be absolutely certain that Rishi doesn’t.
Even if it could be argued that he was right to knife Boris when he did, he certainly wasn’t acting in the country’s best interests when he formed his leadership website all those months ago. And he’s completely in thrall to the supranational bodies – who in turn are doing the bidding of the massive multinationals and the super rich.
So if you want immigration to be curbed, if you want small businesses to be prioritised over multinationals, if you want the UK to forge its own way after Brexit, if you want the government – even temporarily – to prioritise getting energy bills down at the expense of net zero…. then you can forget it, because his backers will not let him even if he wants to (something I seriously doubt).
At least there is a small chance that Truss might govern in the general population’s interest. Perhaps that’s more important on the “populist” wing which might explain the stats above.
Both of them Weimar style politicians. No ideas, no solutions, no drive or determination to succeed. They are both weak cardboard cutouts spouting prepared meaningless phrases for change, that even if they mean them and have the will to carry them out (LOL) will amount to little more than arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
The NHS is a disaster, the education system is utterly incompetent. The armed forces….. the police… the judiciary…. we can make quite a list here…
There are very few politicians who were willing to say it as it is and do the necessary to give the people of this county a future. Thatcher was one of them, but these two……
This county resembles Weimar more with each passing day.
And what was the ‘result’ of Weimar may I ask?
Democratically elected by the British People. And now the Tory base will make one a PM.
I know, why don’t you dig her out and make her PM.
You are getting over-excited.
I am not.
Just like ‘old times’? Somethings never change!
Lady Margaret Thatcher was cremated at Mortlake, so that could be difficult.
Thanks, I learned something new today.
I want a leader not a British version of Joe Biden. When things get tough through continuous squandering of the inheritance of our forefathers I think we will get one and the Jackboots on our throats that comes with it.
Sure, vote for him or her.
“No ideas, no solutions, no drive or determination to succeed” applies equally well to Starmer and Davey. If these are the best our education and politics can produce, then there is something deeply flawed with these institutions. Systemically flawed?
Not beamed from space but the product of the British society.
Labelling attitudes to ‘woke’ and to ‘the culture wars’ is so broad, so ill defined, as to be meaningless. Eg: is an anti-racist, green activist gender critical lesbian woke or non woke? Is being critical of gender stereotypes woke? Or is that transphobic?
At what point does critical race theory challenge a liberal sensibility with regard to British history? I don’t know, you tell me. If the questions don’t make sense you can be sure the answers won’t.
No they are not broad, they are as narrow of the mindset of The National Socialist agenda in nu britn which is LBGT, climate change and ” racism’… is the weapon, that no one seems to dare challenge?
Why does the debate never involve, for example, inmigration in Japan?…. comparison of anti white discrimination in Africa or Pakistan? White representation on TV and in the media in Africa, Pakistan ? the illegality of LGBT, under pain of capital punishment in many muslim countries?
Can you please define racism?…
Auslander, basic instinct, but not all basic instincts are right-thinking in a civilised society.
My point was that ‘woke’ was now contradictory therefore meaningless as a term.
It is clear to Red Wall voters like me that if you vote Labour you get an North London liberal party, and when you vote Conservative you get a West London liberal party. We don’t want either. Proportional Representation would not go far enough. MPs are supposed to represent their constituency in parliament, not represent their party in parliament. We should do away with political parties altogether and make MPs stand as independents. The only whips should be in the hands of the constituents!
Eric Kaufmann wrote, “The pattern is clear and highly statistically significant: immigration sceptics back [Liz] Truss, while those who are content with current numbers lean slightly towards [Rishi] Sunak.”
Most populists doubt that Sunak will enforce the borders because he switched his position on the Rwanda policy in order to win the race for the prime ministership. This policy requires the deportation of illegal aliens to Rwanda. He opposed this policy until he wanted to become prime minister.
By contrast, Truss has consistently supported the Rwanda policy and wants to expand it.
That is still not cause for complete enthusiasm for Truss. After winning an electoral competition, politicians often renege on what they promised.
Such broken promises are common among Republican politicians in the United States. On the campaign trail, they talk the right talk about enforcing borders, but after winning the race for political office, they do not walk the right walk. Under pressure from Hispanic groups and wealthy business owners (from both political parties), these Republican politicians allow the border to remain open.
The result is that open borders have swelled the Hispanic electorate, and Hispanic political power pervades California. Hispanics run the state via the Democratic party, which Hispanics dominate. Democrats control all aspects of government.
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, most residents already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
In Great Britain, only Nigel Farage can be trusted to enforce the borders. He is a genuine Brexiteer and has advocated national sovereignty over pan-nationalism. He is a champion of Western culture.
As for Truss, only time will tell whether she will enforce the borders.
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Oh, no, it’s you again!
Brelievers couldn’t care less about the economy – they’re idealists, not pragmatists, and their crusade primarily is a romantic, nationalist one. Dry economic arguments just bounce off them. They’re swayed primarily by emotion, not by balance sheets. Truss’ general incoherence reminds them of themselves. Advantage Truss.
Thank you Frank for summarising the views of half the population so eloquently. I’m sure deep down they’re wrong and you’re right, so it must pain you that in spite of this obvious fact, you still lost the argument.