“Most models agree that current policies will result in US emissions in 2030 being 25% to 30% lower than at their peak in 2005. Depending on whose modeling you believe, passage of the reconciliation bill, together with other investments already committed into law, could result in emissions being 45% to 50% below 2005 instead.”
Depending on whose modeling you believe? haha trust the science?
Anyway, does offshoring emissions really count as reduction? Does burning ethanol in the auto petrol really mean reduction because it was farmed? Does Wind electricity count as reduced carbon because the turbines and blades were made in China so the co2 was released there, and all the making of roads in the wild places; the millions of tons of concrete and gravel used to ballast them and serve them and not factored in – the resources mined, then refined, manufactured in China to make the solar arrays not counted as USA carbon – I mean, whose modeling do you believe?
It is all BS, the whole game is corrupt to the very core. Tesla ,making a profit off Carbon Credits…….where is that in this mad equation? It is all vudu science, and ignore what is behind the curtain stuff….
I agree with you that most of this is greenwashing and it is ALL misrepresented by the media and adherents to the green religion.
The rationale is that for every carbon atom that comes from the biosphere then one is not injected into the biosphere that was not there before, hence not increasing the total amount of C in the biosphere.
The unproven assumption is that the extra C drives up temperatures and that is bad and we need to act NOW. All rubbish.
Matt Hindman
1 year ago
If there is anything you need to know about legislation in American politics, it usually does the opposite of what they are selling. The “Affordable” Care Act made healthcare much less affordable. Guess what The Inflation Reduction Act is going to do?
That is the truth, sir. In fact, whatever they accuse the right of something, you can be assured it is what they are trying to implement. “threat to Democracy” is the slogan du jure.
Anyone else there who could not care less about zero carbon , alleged climate change ? Does anyone else look into the Sky and see jets whose single flight uses as much fuel as the entire lives of n thousand cars? .. and think ” How is my electric car going to make a jot of difference? … Just like giving 1p to a charity…?
I also care, but realize that if earth suddenly reverted back to a 100% agrarian society, the climate would continue to change as it has for a billion years. Just ask a dinosaur.
Steven Campbell
1 year ago
Hogwash. Manchin caved in order to get some concessions for Fracking and gas piping in West Virginia. Federal money to support local projects is how most of these otherwise useless money bills get created. So, we’ll now have charging stations but no lithium, rare earths and backup power generation. We’ll stop floods, draughts, heat, cold and any other weather events you can imagine but will have no plan or financing to improve water infrastructure, shoreline mitigation or any of the immediate problem areas that could use the money and some real solutions. Not one pothole will be filled. We are now reaching a point in the discussion where even many skeptics are searching for a way to stop nature but until more and more of us can see the ultimate human disaster in pursuing even a compromised Green New Deal we’ll end up with the same failed Government attempted control of our lives. The control will be there but as in the trillions wasted in New Deal nanny state projects the ultimate outcome will be a lot of money spent and very little good accomplished, unless one considers a loss of freedom a good thing.
How does one stop a flood or drought? Perhaps the same way we stop a rain cloud or a hurricane?
Punksta .
1 year ago
And of course the true cost of (hopelessly expensive) renewable energy, and the drastic overall wealth reduction that means, steered well clear of.
Last edited 1 year ago by Punksta .
Matt C
1 year ago
“climate policy of the sort that is actually politically viable is at best a weak tool for change”
Hence why the philanthropist billionaires – the ones who stand to make the most out of the whole scam – have brought in ESGs. They are perfect way to drive behaviour from corporations (and by a process of filtering, forcing us plebs), without having to go through any kind of pesky democratic process.
If they had to deal with democratic process, they would have to be more clear about the targets they are aiming for, what those targets would deliver, the costs involved, and have it all be properly measurable. In other words, expose their scams to scrutiny.
If they had to deal with democratic process, they would have to be more clear about the targets they are aiming for… Haha! Remember Obamacare? You didn’t have to change your doctor, wouldn’t lose your policy, and would save $2500! All BS, of course. Politicians LIE, that’s what they do. And when the lapdog MSM is backing them up with propaganda and the internet oligarchs are suppressing alternative voices, you get the sheeple voting for this garbage.
Brendan O'Leary
1 year ago
What these days, is the difference between “investment” and “subsidy” and “grant”?
Perhaps not a dictionary definition, but to me, “investment” used to mean skin in the game and risk of losing your own money, as well as gaining if the investment was successful.
Now governments, and other state bodies, call every giveaway of other people’s money “investment”.
Don’t worry.the dictionary definition can be changed to fit the current situation.
Terry M
1 year ago
“In the light of last week’s change of fortune, Democrats can thank none other than Joe Manchin for saving them from their own worst impulses and reorienting their reconciliation package toward the priorities of an electorate that is far more concerned about inflation and energy prices”
So, put lipstick on that pig and take it to the dance! All they did was wrap up the same old shirt and give it a new name. It will INCREASE inflation – how can it not when it will throw dollars out of a helicopter on the Donkey faithful, that they will then use to drive up demand for cheap junk from China?
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Doesn’t matter how many trillions of dollars Sleepy Joe has, it won’t make those rare earths any less rare.
Iris C
1 year ago
All I ask is that there is an open debate about climate warming and not (as happened with Covid) the silencing of any contrary point of view. I even think that the statistics are being massaged in order to make the case for drastic measures. For example:-.
At the bottom of my computer it states what the temperature is each day and it is never anything like what is written – 10o less than stated most days.. Today, for example, it was showing 26o and with me wearing warm clothes and having to put on a coat before going out for a walk.. Tonight, as I write this, it is saying 24o, which is absolute fiction.
We have had a cold wind all summer and mostly with grey skies..
Christian Moon
1 year ago
‘Balancing the priorities of the electorate against doing right by the climate.’
A most revealing disjunction.
Last edited 1 year ago by Christian Moon
Reagan Addam
1 year ago
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“Most models agree that current policies will result in US emissions in 2030 being 25% to 30% lower than at their peak in 2005. Depending on whose modeling you believe, passage of the reconciliation bill, together with other investments already committed into law, could result in emissions being 45% to 50% below 2005 instead.”
Depending on whose modeling you believe? haha trust the science?
Anyway, does offshoring emissions really count as reduction? Does burning ethanol in the auto petrol really mean reduction because it was farmed? Does Wind electricity count as reduced carbon because the turbines and blades were made in China so the co2 was released there, and all the making of roads in the wild places; the millions of tons of concrete and gravel used to ballast them and serve them and not factored in – the resources mined, then refined, manufactured in China to make the solar arrays not counted as USA carbon – I mean, whose modeling do you believe?
It is all BS, the whole game is corrupt to the very core. Tesla ,making a profit off Carbon Credits…….where is that in this mad equation? It is all vudu science, and ignore what is behind the curtain stuff….
You took the salient word out of my mouth. Bovine Sh*t. It’s all complete and utter horse hockey, cow manure or whatever you want to call it.
I agree with you that most of this is greenwashing and it is ALL misrepresented by the media and adherents to the green religion.
The rationale is that for every carbon atom that comes from the biosphere then one is not injected into the biosphere that was not there before, hence not increasing the total amount of C in the biosphere.
The unproven assumption is that the extra C drives up temperatures and that is bad and we need to act NOW. All rubbish.
If there is anything you need to know about legislation in American politics, it usually does the opposite of what they are selling. The “Affordable” Care Act made healthcare much less affordable. Guess what The Inflation Reduction Act is going to do?
That is the truth, sir. In fact, whatever they accuse the right of something, you can be assured it is what they are trying to implement. “threat to Democracy” is the slogan du jure.
Peacekeeper missiles come to mind.
Anyone else there who could not care less about zero carbon , alleged climate change ? Does anyone else look into the Sky and see jets whose single flight uses as much fuel as the entire lives of n thousand cars? .. and think ” How is my electric car going to make a jot of difference? … Just like giving 1p to a charity…?
And what of the climate change evangelists who take those jets to get to their save-the-planet summits? Take the bus, Gus.
Sorry – I care.
I also care, but realize that if earth suddenly reverted back to a 100% agrarian society, the climate would continue to change as it has for a billion years. Just ask a dinosaur.
Hogwash. Manchin caved in order to get some concessions for Fracking and gas piping in West Virginia. Federal money to support local projects is how most of these otherwise useless money bills get created. So, we’ll now have charging stations but no lithium, rare earths and backup power generation. We’ll stop floods, draughts, heat, cold and any other weather events you can imagine but will have no plan or financing to improve water infrastructure, shoreline mitigation or any of the immediate problem areas that could use the money and some real solutions. Not one pothole will be filled. We are now reaching a point in the discussion where even many skeptics are searching for a way to stop nature but until more and more of us can see the ultimate human disaster in pursuing even a compromised Green New Deal we’ll end up with the same failed Government attempted control of our lives. The control will be there but as in the trillions wasted in New Deal nanny state projects the ultimate outcome will be a lot of money spent and very little good accomplished, unless one considers a loss of freedom a good thing.
How does one stop a flood or drought? Perhaps the same way we stop a rain cloud or a hurricane?
And of course the true cost of (hopelessly expensive) renewable energy, and the drastic overall wealth reduction that means, steered well clear of.
“climate policy of the sort that is actually politically viable is at best a weak tool for change”
Hence why the philanthropist billionaires – the ones who stand to make the most out of the whole scam – have brought in ESGs. They are perfect way to drive behaviour from corporations (and by a process of filtering, forcing us plebs), without having to go through any kind of pesky democratic process.
If they had to deal with democratic process, they would have to be more clear about the targets they are aiming for, what those targets would deliver, the costs involved, and have it all be properly measurable. In other words, expose their scams to scrutiny.
It is, in essence, a modern day totalitarianism.
If they had to deal with democratic process, they would have to be more clear about the targets they are aiming for…
Haha! Remember Obamacare? You didn’t have to change your doctor, wouldn’t lose your policy, and would save $2500! All BS, of course. Politicians LIE, that’s what they do. And when the lapdog MSM is backing them up with propaganda and the internet oligarchs are suppressing alternative voices, you get the sheeple voting for this garbage.
What these days, is the difference between “investment” and “subsidy” and “grant”?
Perhaps not a dictionary definition, but to me, “investment” used to mean skin in the game and risk of losing your own money, as well as gaining if the investment was successful.
Now governments, and other state bodies, call every giveaway of other people’s money “investment”.
Don’t worry.the dictionary definition can be changed to fit the current situation.
“In the light of last week’s change of fortune, Democrats can thank none other than Joe Manchin for saving them from their own worst impulses and reorienting their reconciliation package toward the priorities of an electorate that is far more concerned about inflation and energy prices”
So, put lipstick on that pig and take it to the dance! All they did was wrap up the same old shirt and give it a new name. It will INCREASE inflation – how can it not when it will throw dollars out of a helicopter on the Donkey faithful, that they will then use to drive up demand for cheap junk from China?
Doesn’t matter how many trillions of dollars Sleepy Joe has, it won’t make those rare earths any less rare.
All I ask is that there is an open debate about climate warming and not (as happened with Covid) the silencing of any contrary point of view. I even think that the statistics are being massaged in order to make the case for drastic measures. For example:-.
At the bottom of my computer it states what the temperature is each day and it is never anything like what is written – 10o less than stated most days.. Today, for example, it was showing 26o and with me wearing warm clothes and having to put on a coat before going out for a walk.. Tonight, as I write this, it is saying 24o, which is absolute fiction.
We have had a cold wind all summer and mostly with grey skies..
‘Balancing the priorities of the electorate against doing right by the climate.’
A most revealing disjunction.
I’m making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is where i started… http://www.WorkJoin1.com