After several years of hysterical overreaction in the progressive media, this sketchy demonisation of conservatives as “alt–right” and “far–right” has long since become more than a little tired — Certainly more so when we see the appallingly entitled behaviour of progressives applauded by the shills of an increasingly irrelevant legacy media.
I have heard the twice–mentioned Marjorie Taylor Greene speak on Tim Pool’s podcast several times this past year (this episode from just last Thursday) and she seems like a … well … very straightforwardly normal woman with her head screwed on.
It’s “analysis”, apparently. Says so in a big black box with white letters at the top, so it has to be that.
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Gil Harris
1 year ago
The democrat party IS the official party of crazies—but God forbid we call them out. Ultra leftists constitute more than a third of the dems in Congress. But that is considered just fine for the mainstream media which sadly overlaps with Unherd a bit too much in terms of fairness on this issue. In November, the American people will decide. The Red Wave is clearly coming; just how large it will be is the only question.
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Mary Bruels
1 year ago
Now can we have an article about the “crazies” in the Democratic Party? Neither party is free of them.
We’ve had a load of them on unherd – so quit the whattaboutery and suck it up. Half of the Republican party are in thrall to a narcissistic moron who tried to throw democracy under a bus to remain in power.
Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago
Maybe I judge people too harshly for sounding like they’re writing from a far-trade coffee roaster in Portland, Oregon but in this case my suspicions may be reasonable.
I have heard of Mayra Flores but I have not heard the terms “far-Right Latina” or “QAnon hashtags” before. And for good reason. My search for an explanation led me to this peculiar piece in Rolling Stone magazine which is ostensibly about QAnon hashtags but, through some editorial miracle, doesn’t provide any examples of QAnon hashtags posted by Ms. Flores or any other far-Right Latina. It’s like the epidemic of “racist tweets” after England’s loss in the Euro 2020 football final. We’ll just have to take the word of the Guardian editorial staff that it’s really a thing. Anyway, this is a long way of saying, I don’t know who Oliver Bateman is, but I know my time is too valuable to find out.
Most people struggle to perceive, let alone understand or correct, their own biases. The modern ‘left’ whether it’s called progressive, or socialist, or labor, or liberal, or w/e is best defined, not by party or by policy, but by the use of and adherence to collectivist logic, the individual’s rights are inferior to collective wants, needs, and goals, i.e. people should all wear masks not because they fear COVID or are at risk, but in order to protect those who are, and society as a whole. Collectivists are at a disadvantage as they have to convince everybody or at least a large majority to go along with their scheme or it becomes impossible. They are also the least likely to notice or care how their embrace of collectivist logic affects their perceptions of reality. They are the most likely to subtly or less than subtly enforce compliance to particular dogmas amongst themselves. The liberal echo chamber is a beast that feeds itself.
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Dave Corby
1 year ago
I am excited by Mayra Flores and all of these new so-called ‘far-right’ members.
My experience is that Latinos are mostly God-fearing hard-working people with strong family values—natural members of the Republican party if they did but recognise it.
The constitution is a fabulous document and if more Latinos see how it can be a blessing to them then the USA is saved from its current dire socialist trajectory.
Terry M
1 year ago
“the far-Right Freedom Caucus”
” political scientist Robert Putnam was nearer to the mark when he observed that the Tea Party’s activists were simply Republican voters who wanted increased border security, restrictions on immigration, and a renewed infusion of some elements of traditional Christianity into public life.”
Ignore this author. He knows nothing about Republican politics.
The TEA in TEA party stands for Taxed Enough Already. It was a completely grass-roots movement formed arond this single issue. It got tremendous support and as soon as it was seen to be a powerful movement wannabe bandleaders jumped out in front of the parade (Sarah Palin and others) and attached all sorts of conservative issues to it. In effect this turned it into a run-of-the-mill conservative movement and it slowly faded away.
Similarly, the Freedom Caucus was originally a libertarian-minded group that later expanded its goal of shrinking government by focusing on immigration and other culture war issues.
The real crime is that both of these movements were co-opted by more conservative status quo Republicans and essentially neutered of their original function.
R Wright
1 year ago
I stopped bothering to read this article when it referred to the Freedom Caucus as ‘far right’ and as evidence cited Wikipedia.
Edit: Even the Wikipedia page (quite unexpectedly) doesn’t refer to the Freedom Caucus as far right.
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1 year ago
Not sure what “far right” means. Is there a “near right”? If there’s a “far left”, does that mean there’s a “near left.” Far or near, both parties are mirror images of the other, including the fact that both have problems with dissidents i.e.Taylor-Greene on the one hand and AOC on the other.
And both parties, I might add, are totally useless.
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
“She’s also been fending off salacious — and seemingly spurious — rumours that she used to work as a sugar-daddy call girl.” Deft use of the switchblade. Well done.
Donald Sheltic
1 year ago
The problem presented by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene (and AOC) is that they are the fools who cheerfully give the other team something motivational to post in their locker room. So that each wing of the country becomes increasingly convinced that all those tens of millions of voters who voted for the other party are not just wrong, they are downright evil.
This is rather new, in that new communications technologies provide amplifiers for these fringe types, quite a contrast from the Walter Cronkite era. So I would not look to history for reassurance.
Of course, all of this is great by the anti-democratic left and the anti-democratic right. The more people so enraged by crazies of the opposition, the more people unable to think in a meaningful way about our nation’s actual problems. And if the nation doesn’t address its problems, then the Greenes and the AOCs can dream that out of the ashes of our nation will rise a whole new America, more in their image.
I am not at all reassured that the crazies do, in the end, vote for their party. That’s not the point at all. I want America to be great, for my kids and grandkids, as it has been through my life. Ever more extreme partisanship is highly unlikely to bring that about.
Exactly right – thank you Donald. The calm centre needs to be regained, politics is not a sport, let alone a blood sport. Both sides need to call out the excesses of their own party – Democrats need to stop with the authoritarian political correctness, the absolute assumption of moral superiority; and the Republicans need to get wise to and expunge Trumpism and the deep intellectual, political and psychological corruption it brings (most comments here are not reassuring). Both parties need to clean up the political systems and foster creative co-operation instead of….whatever we have now.
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Sisyphus Jones
1 year ago
Someone should write a QAnon sing along.
Last edited 1 year ago by Sisyphus Jones
Vince B
1 year ago
These people are dangerous because they are in positions of national leadership and do not take that role, or their duties, seriously.
Taylor Greene, as just one example, merely wants to “own the libs,” and send them to their fainting couches. If she truly believes that Jews are using lasers in space to start forest fires, she is clinically insane. But of course she doesn’t believe that. She, like others profiled here, just want to signal to other angry, alienated Normal Americans, “It’s all over. You owe your nation and yourself nothing but a lark.” It is a form of nihilism.
After several years of hysterical overreaction in the progressive media, this sketchy demonisation of conservatives as “alt–right” and “far–right” has long since become more than a little tired — Certainly more so when we see the appallingly entitled behaviour of progressives applauded by the shills of an increasingly irrelevant legacy media.
I have heard the twice–mentioned Marjorie Taylor Greene speak on Tim Pool’s podcast several times this past year (this episode from just last Thursday) and she seems like a … well … very straightforwardly normal woman with her head screwed on.
Amen, brother. One could anticipate just what one got when clicking on this click-bait. WYSIWYG.
“Far right,” “crazy,” etc. It’s witless and lazy.
It’s “analysis”, apparently. Says so in a big black box with white letters at the top, so it has to be that.
The democrat party IS the official party of crazies—but God forbid we call them out. Ultra leftists constitute more than a third of the dems in Congress. But that is considered just fine for the mainstream media which sadly overlaps with Unherd a bit too much in terms of fairness on this issue. In November, the American people will decide. The Red Wave is clearly coming; just how large it will be is the only question.
Now can we have an article about the “crazies” in the Democratic Party? Neither party is free of them.
We’ve had a load of them on unherd – so quit the whattaboutery and suck it up. Half of the Republican party are in thrall to a narcissistic moron who tried to throw democracy under a bus to remain in power.
Maybe I judge people too harshly for sounding like they’re writing from a far-trade coffee roaster in Portland, Oregon but in this case my suspicions may be reasonable.
I have heard of Mayra Flores but I have not heard the terms “far-Right Latina” or “QAnon hashtags” before. And for good reason. My search for an explanation led me to this peculiar piece in Rolling Stone magazine which is ostensibly about QAnon hashtags but, through some editorial miracle, doesn’t provide any examples of QAnon hashtags posted by Ms. Flores or any other far-Right Latina. It’s like the epidemic of “racist tweets” after England’s loss in the Euro 2020 football final. We’ll just have to take the word of the Guardian editorial staff that it’s really a thing. Anyway, this is a long way of saying, I don’t know who Oliver Bateman is, but I know my time is too valuable to find out.
Most people struggle to perceive, let alone understand or correct, their own biases. The modern ‘left’ whether it’s called progressive, or socialist, or labor, or liberal, or w/e is best defined, not by party or by policy, but by the use of and adherence to collectivist logic, the individual’s rights are inferior to collective wants, needs, and goals, i.e. people should all wear masks not because they fear COVID or are at risk, but in order to protect those who are, and society as a whole. Collectivists are at a disadvantage as they have to convince everybody or at least a large majority to go along with their scheme or it becomes impossible. They are also the least likely to notice or care how their embrace of collectivist logic affects their perceptions of reality. They are the most likely to subtly or less than subtly enforce compliance to particular dogmas amongst themselves. The liberal echo chamber is a beast that feeds itself.
I am excited by Mayra Flores and all of these new so-called ‘far-right’ members.
My experience is that Latinos are mostly God-fearing hard-working people with strong family values—natural members of the Republican party if they did but recognise it.
The constitution is a fabulous document and if more Latinos see how it can be a blessing to them then the USA is saved from its current dire socialist trajectory.
“the far-Right Freedom Caucus”
” political scientist Robert Putnam was nearer to the mark when he observed that the Tea Party’s activists were simply Republican voters who wanted increased border security, restrictions on immigration, and a renewed infusion of some elements of traditional Christianity into public life.”
Ignore this author. He knows nothing about Republican politics.
The TEA in TEA party stands for Taxed Enough Already. It was a completely grass-roots movement formed arond this single issue. It got tremendous support and as soon as it was seen to be a powerful movement wannabe bandleaders jumped out in front of the parade (Sarah Palin and others) and attached all sorts of conservative issues to it. In effect this turned it into a run-of-the-mill conservative movement and it slowly faded away.
Similarly, the Freedom Caucus was originally a libertarian-minded group that later expanded its goal of shrinking government by focusing on immigration and other culture war issues.
The real crime is that both of these movements were co-opted by more conservative status quo Republicans and essentially neutered of their original function.
I stopped bothering to read this article when it referred to the Freedom Caucus as ‘far right’ and as evidence cited Wikipedia.
Edit: Even the Wikipedia page (quite unexpectedly) doesn’t refer to the Freedom Caucus as far right.
Not sure what “far right” means. Is there a “near right”? If there’s a “far left”, does that mean there’s a “near left.” Far or near, both parties are mirror images of the other, including the fact that both have problems with dissidents i.e.Taylor-Greene on the one hand and AOC on the other.
And both parties, I might add, are totally useless.
“She’s also been fending off salacious — and seemingly spurious — rumours that she used to work as a sugar-daddy call girl.”
Deft use of the switchblade. Well done.
The problem presented by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene (and AOC) is that they are the fools who cheerfully give the other team something motivational to post in their locker room. So that each wing of the country becomes increasingly convinced that all those tens of millions of voters who voted for the other party are not just wrong, they are downright evil.
This is rather new, in that new communications technologies provide amplifiers for these fringe types, quite a contrast from the Walter Cronkite era. So I would not look to history for reassurance.
Of course, all of this is great by the anti-democratic left and the anti-democratic right. The more people so enraged by crazies of the opposition, the more people unable to think in a meaningful way about our nation’s actual problems. And if the nation doesn’t address its problems, then the Greenes and the AOCs can dream that out of the ashes of our nation will rise a whole new America, more in their image.
I am not at all reassured that the crazies do, in the end, vote for their party. That’s not the point at all. I want America to be great, for my kids and grandkids, as it has been through my life. Ever more extreme partisanship is highly unlikely to bring that about.
Exactly right – thank you Donald. The calm centre needs to be regained, politics is not a sport, let alone a blood sport. Both sides need to call out the excesses of their own party – Democrats need to stop with the authoritarian political correctness, the absolute assumption of moral superiority; and the Republicans need to get wise to and expunge Trumpism and the deep intellectual, political and psychological corruption it brings (most comments here are not reassuring). Both parties need to clean up the political systems and foster creative co-operation instead of….whatever we have now.
Someone should write a QAnon sing along.
These people are dangerous because they are in positions of national leadership and do not take that role, or their duties, seriously.
Taylor Greene, as just one example, merely wants to “own the libs,” and send them to their fainting couches. If she truly believes that Jews are using lasers in space to start forest fires, she is clinically insane. But of course she doesn’t believe that. She, like others profiled here, just want to signal to other angry, alienated Normal Americans, “It’s all over. You owe your nation and yourself nothing but a lark.” It is a form of nihilism.