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How the Ukraine war saved Orbán Hungary’s opposition cannot break his conservative machine

The Conservative Rojava (Janos Kummer/Getty Images)


April 4, 2022   8 mins

Budapest

In the 12 years of rule that have followed three landslide electoral victories, Viktor Orbán, now Europe’s longest-serving leader, has successfully reshaped Hungary in his own image: too successfully, in the eyes of both the weak and fractured opposition and of the EU mainstream.

Hungary is not the dictatorship Orbán’s more strident critics allege, but it departs from the stated norms of European liberal democracy in a number of ways. Under his leadership, the ruling Fidesz party has placed its thumb on the electoral scales, ensuring that while elections are free, the government enters them at an advantage. Opposition candidates are given significantly less airtime on state broadcasting networks than government figures, with the result that Fidesz narratives dominate the airwaves; the opposition claims that electoral boundaries have been redrawn to favour the government, a charge that Fidesz disputes; and a sophisticated politics of patronage has created a new conservative elite which owes its survival to Orbán’s continued rule. 

It is precisely these same innovations, which make Orbán’s Hungary anathema to Western liberals, that make the country so attractive to so many Western conservatives — particularly Anglo-Saxon ones. Where conservatives in Britain and America can win elections but find their governance impeded by a liberal powerbase in the media, NGOs and the judiciary (termed by conservative Hungarian intellectuals as an anti-democratic “juristocracy”), in Orbán’s Hungary the liberal intelligentsia’s political powerbase has been dismantled and replaced with a confident new conservative elite. A wealth of glossy conservative magazines, universities, think tanks and NGOs are the lavishly-funded product of Orbán’s Gramscian conservativism.

Rather than the vulgar 20th-century authoritarianism with which his more excitable critics charge him, Orbán’s dominance of Hungary’s politics is a subtler, more postmodern exercise. A product of George Soros’s attempt to nurture an elite governing class in Central Europe, the disaffected liberal reformer has adopted and inverted the same methods that produce liberal hegemony towards distinctly post-liberal ends. No wonder so many Western conservatives, who cannot translate electoral success to meaningful political power, find Orbán’s Hungary an object of both envy and inspiration. At Gólya, a far-Left cooperative and cultural space in a disused Budapest warehouse bedecked with PKK flags, I met the Marxist journalist and leftwing activist Csaba Tóth, who wryly described Orbán’s Hungary as “Rojava for western conservatives”, an idealised polity onto which they can project their political hopes and dreams.

“​​The point about Fidesz,” Tóth told me, “is that they’re against this liberal Deep State, NGO elite, whatever you want to call it. But they are mesmerised by it, and they are trying to replicate it along their own political lines. So they will have their own NGOs, their own think tanks, their own societies and international influence, modelled after this Atlanticist elite.” This creates a system, Tóth claims, where “I don’t think there is a level playing field now in elections. There’s kind of a controlled press in which there’s very little administrative measures against the opposition press, but on the other hand, pro-government media is very heavily rewarded, even from state funds… [This means] there is an economic and political power centre that is overwhelming and couldn’t really make another power centre come about.”

Before her election as Hungary’s first female president last month, the then Fidesz Vice-President Katalin Novák suggested to me that Western European politics is itself undemocratic, as government policy is driven by a “very, very powerful NGO network, which drives this kind of ongoing aggression against those countries who would like to step out of line in migration and all these big liberal trends dominating European policy today”. In Hungary, due to the government’s use of direct referendums to enshrine policy (such as the question on LGBT education in schools, which is also on the ballot on Sunday’s election), Novák claims politics is more democratic in practice than the European mainstream: “I don’t think that in Western Europe politicians would dare to hold a referendum about migration.”

Struggling to make headway against this consolidated conservative system, six of Hungary’s opposition parties have united in a fractious and unwieldy coalition to unseat Orbán, under the titular leadership of Péter Márki-Zay, a gaffe-prone, small-town mayor and Catholic conservative. Dominated by social and economic liberals but encompassing parties as disparate as the social-democratic Socialist party on the one hand, and the until-recently fascist Jobbik party, which has put aside its black uniforms for a centre-right rebranding, on the other, the opposition are united in an awkward marriage of convenience by one goal only: to depose Orbán. And to do so, their campaign has settled on an unexpected lightning rod issue: the war in Ukraine.

There are few things that can focus a voter’s attention more than a bloody war in a neighbouring country, and Orbán’s long-standing policy of amicable relations with Putin’s Russia makes the issue more pointed here than anywhere else in Europe. At an opposition hustings event this week in Budapest’s Széll Kálmán square — until 2011 Moscow Square — where a crowd of perhaps 200 people had gathered to hear the opposition leaders’ speeches, I asked the neatly-suited, smoothly Atlanticist Márki-Zay how the Ukraine war was feeding into his election campaign.

“Many people just woke up that Orbán’s best friend is a war criminal who’s killing kids, who’s shooting at nuclear power plants,” Márki-Zay told me. “So of course, now Putin is responsible for the war in Ukraine and Orbán is responsible for supporting Putin. Orbán has been a traitor of Europe, has been a traitor of Nato and of course, a traitor of Hungary for 12 years.”

Hungary’s opposition has focused on attacking Orbán for his non-interventionist stance in the Ukraine war. While the Fidesz government has agreed to EU sanctions against Russia and sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine, as well as accepting hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees, it refuses to deliver Ukraine weapons or to allow Hungary to be used as a transit point for weapons deliveries from other Nato countries. In return, Fidesz has accused the opposition of being reckless interventionists, eager to embroil Hungarians in a war whose outcome is uncertain, and to torpedo Hungarian living standards by shutting the country off from its energy supplier Russia.

“Unfortunately Orbán controls 90% of the media environment in Hungary,” Márki-Zay asserted, “so he is now attacking the opposition [saying] that we would send untrained kids to die in Ukraine in this war.” So would a Márki-Zay government intervene in Ukraine, I asked? “I will always support Nato’s position because we have to be a loyal member of Nato. We can only rely on defending Hungary with Nato troops in Hungary, which Orbán first denied and then allowed. And then he was also attacking us with allowing arms shipments to Ukraine and [then] Orbán decreed that they can cross Hungary,” he replied. “[He is] a pathetic liar, of course, Orbán, who’s always saying one thing today and changing his mind tomorrow. He was a communist, a liberal, a conservative — and now he’s building a fascist Putinist faction in the European Parliament.”

Also at the event was Anna Júlia Donáth, a young MEP and leader of the liberal Momentum party, which failed to reach the 5% threshold for representation in Hungary’s last parliamentary election. A scion of a liberal political dynasty, former project manager for an NGO dealing with migrant rights, and member of an EU parliament committee concerned with LGBT issues, Donáth is a Fidesz opponent straight from central casting. I asked her how the Ukraine question was playing in the election campaign.

“It’s about the war of narratives,” she replied, “Orbán builds up a new narrative, which, of course, for us is like a 180-degree change from what he said 24 hours before. But in his communication machine, it works. Yes, indeed, right now, he is a peacemaker. Three weeks ago, he was the most pro-Putin person in Europe.”

Struggling to get the opposition’s message across in the election campaign, Donáth was not sanguine about her coalition’s chances. “Sometimes we really feel like we are fighting against a machine which is impossible to win against,” she told me. “Because they have everything, they don’t just use their own budget. They’re using the state budget for campaigning; this is ridiculous. You can’t win against them.” 

“Two thirds of the country,” she claimed, “are only receiving propaganda media, so they only get a reality built up by the government. And in that reality, they are the best and we are monsters. I can’t blame people for that. They don’t even want to ask questions anymore, because… the system has polarised society on such a level that we cannot even start talking to each other right now.” 

The pre-election polls which a month ago were uncomfortably tight for the government now show Orbán pulling away by a comfortable margin. When I was last in Hungary during the first days of the Ukraine war, government officials were privately downbeat about their prospect of victory, cautioning against over-confident assumptions of success. Four weeks of campaigning later, they are feeling far more positive. 

In an interview at the Scruton cafe at Budapest’s Matthias Corvinus Collegium — part of the flourishing ecosystem of elite conservative institutions created by Fidesz — Viktor Orbán’s strategic advisor Balász Orbán told me that the coming election was Hungary’s “most important ever since the transition period [from communism]” because “it’s about deciding between peace and war. It’s about deciding between peaceful cooperation or coexistence and ideological warfare… I think that the result will be obvious on Sunday, and then this whole turbulent period of time will go away.”

Do most Hungarians support the government’s anti-interventionist stance on Ukraine, I asked? “Yes, yes, yes,” he replied emphatically. “What I feel when I’m traveling all around the country, is that about the Ukrainian conflict, even those who are undecided voters, or who had some willingness to vote for the opposition, even those voting groups are saying that we support the government and government change is not a real option anymore.” Indeed, he added, “if you want to really understand why [the opposition] aren’t successful for like 10, 12 years, and why they’re going to lose the election, that’s the reason: because they think that everything is part of the political issue where they have to somehow get close and in line with the international mainstream liberal approach, but it goes against the majority of the Hungarians’ opinions, even those who are not in favour of Fidesz.”

But even if staying out of the war appeals to Hungarian voters, Orbán’s position on Ukraine is isolating the government from its closest allies in the EU, with Poland’s president Andrzej Duda stating that it is “hard for me to understand the approach” of Orbán towards Ukraine, and warning that “this policy will be costly for Hungary, very costly”. Similarly, Czechia’s defence minister Jana Černochová posted on Twitter that “I am very sorry that cheap Russian oil is now more important to Hungarian politicians than Ukrainian blood.” Even a planned meeting this week of V4 foreign ministers in Budapest was cancelled at the last minute by Orbán’s erstwhile Central European allies in protest at the Hungarian government’s stance. 

For Hungary’s beleaguered opposition, the war in Ukraine must have seemed like a dramatic, emotive bolt from the blue that could turn the electoral tide in their favour. Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy has even singled out Hungary for criticism in a video address to EU leaders, though this intervention has been criticised in turn by Hungarian foreign minister Péter Szijjártó as an unwelcome attempt at “influencing the election results in Hungary.” Walking around Budapest, a liberal city in a conservative country, I saw election posters for Fidesz candidates defaced with the words “PUTIN KILLER”, and on the Buda side of the river, a display of emotionally powerful photographs of the carnage and destruction in Ukraine set up at a busy traffic intersection. 

But for the electorate as a whole, the war seems to have instead prompted a rallying effect around Orbán’s message of stability and security in a newly-dangerous region, with voters apparently heeding his message that a more actively pro-Ukrainian stance would be “getting involved in a war that is not our war, in which we have nothing to gain and everything to lose”. Barring a major upset, Sunday’s polls look set to deliver a historic fourth consecutive term of office for Orbán and the consolidation of Hungary’s fascinating — if controversial — experiment in enshrining conservative cultural and political hegemony. The Orbán model may not, as liberals fear and some conservatives dream, be applicable outside of Hungary’s own unique historic and political context, but it seems for now firmly secure in the heart of Europe.


Aris Roussinos is an UnHerd columnist and a former war reporter.

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Gerald Koh
Gerald Koh
2 years ago

Interesting explanation as to why there may be valid reasons to be mindful of whether Orban’s government has authoritarian leanings – was an explanation, that, thankfully, did not dive into angry, easy stereotypes that the Western libs love to invoke but laid out some context behind how Orban has governed and why.

In any case, don’t mind me saying that I’m hopeful that he wins and continues to stand up to the EU and neoliberal intelligentsia of our 21st century globalised world

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 years ago
Reply to  Gerald Koh

This is an insight into the success of Orban and why the EU Parliament dislike him that I have not read before and is far more illuminating then other explanations. Basically he has done what conservatives elsewhere, particularly in England have failed to do – indeed not even attempted – namely to ensure conservative thinkers are in positions of influence.
Instead we have an anti-democratic elite who know better than the people what policies should be followed and ensure from their well paid positions of influence that such policies are followed and the electorate are nudged in the correct direction. Brexit was won in the teeth of opposition from both state and non-state players.
It was interesting to hear that referenda are used by Orban to embed popular but not liberal policies that even so called conservatives in England would run a mile from because they know they would be crucified by the so called liberal MSM. You can see who are the more democratic and why Orban is attacked by the self proclaimed liberal organs of the EU and MSM. He seems to be an effective conservative who listens to what his electorate want instead of viewing them as a basket of deplorables.

Margaret Tudeau-Clayton
Margaret Tudeau-Clayton
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Some of the links are eye opening including to the upcoming referendum on gender ideology. ‘Alapjogokért Központ, a pro-Fidesz legal analysis and research institute, said on the matter. “Western political elites have basically adopted as official policy the madness called gender ideology without asking the people first,” .
Most people in most European nations don’t even realise what gender ideology is! A recent study (by serious scholars from Eastern Europe) showed that even the bureacrats in Brussels are confused!
Kováts, E. – Zacharenko, E. The Right-Wing Opposition to “Gender” in the Light of the Ambiguity of the Meaning of the Term in EU Documents. In
Politické Vedy
. Vol. 24, no. 4, pp. 56-82. ISSN 1335 – 2741. Available at: https://doi.org/10.24040/politickevedy.2021.24.4.56-82

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Gayle Rosenthal
Gayle Rosenthal
2 years ago
Reply to  Gerald Koh

I would have to disagree. It’s a trashy, anti-intellectual rant from another progressive globalist who wants to see cultural norms break down even further in Europe. Because Orban is under attack for limiting pedophiles and deviants’ access to school children, and because he is protecting Hungarian culture and citizenry from migrant influx, it might be natural that he would expect to contemplate new friends in the future. With a friends like the EU, who needs enemies ?

Bruce Luffman
Bruce Luffman
2 years ago
Reply to  Gerald Koh

While I agree with you particularly about his attitude towards the EU, I cannot help thinking that all the aspects of government that Orban has used – contolled press, right types in important jobs and changing his story on sometimes a daily basis – is a carbon copy of Sturgeon and the SNP government in Scotland. The only difference is that she wants to cosy up to the EC – but in all other aspects, she is a dishonest dictator.

R Wright
R Wright
2 years ago

The fact that their nation has coffee shops dedicated to Sir Roger Scruton whereas in Britain he was hounded into his grave just illustrates how much things have gone wrong here. Hungary is now on my bucket list. Thank you for the interesting essay.

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Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
2 years ago

“In the 12 years of rule that have followed three landslide electoral victories.”

“ Where conservatives in Britain and America can win elections but find their governance impeded by a liberal powerbase in the media, NGOs and the judiciary.”

“I don’t think that in Western Europe politicians would dare to hold a referendum about migration.”

“ Western European politics is itself undemocratic, as government policy is driven by a “very, very powerful NGO network, which drives this kind of ongoing aggression against those countries who would like to step out of line in migration and all these big liberal trends dominating European policy today.”

Who’s living in the illiberal democracy, us or them?

A Gramscian conservatism may well be the only way back. It will take an 8 year presidency, or 10 year prime minister, to even lay effective groundwork. What hope?

R Wright
R Wright
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

No hope. 12 years of Tory rule has led to no throwing back of the deep state, no bonfire of the quangos, no shredding of university funding.

David Owsley
David Owsley
2 years ago
Reply to  R Wright

because they are not Tory; they are not Conservative either…in fact they are not even conservative!

Insufficiently Sensitive
Insufficiently Sensitive
2 years ago
Reply to  R Wright

No hope. 12 years of Tory rule has led to no throwing back of the deep state, no bonfire of the quangos, no shredding of university funding.
Likewise in the US, the savage ‘progressive’ lock on media/education/government employees is quite well fortified against any mere four-year Republican administration. It’ll take a full root-canal of the emplaced savages to achieve ‘change’, and the Republican party is quite too stupid to even plan, let alone achieve it.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
2 years ago
Reply to  R Wright

In short ‘an absolute disgrace’!

Gunner Myrtle
Gunner Myrtle
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

What it takes is a conservative government that is prepared to fight the culture wars for keeps. Defund state broadcasters, defund and reorganize universities and the post secondary sector, restructure the public sector, stop funding NGO’s and other politicized publicly funded organizations, pass sunshine laws so people know who is funding organizations that intervene in politics – for example the environmental movement. So much of the liberal deep state is supported by taxpayers money that it could be crippled very quickly if a government had the resolve to do it.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

I noticed that too. The author used the term “liberal democracy” several times even though it’s actually a contradiction. You can be committed to liberalism (seeking to liberate people from restrictions to maximize individual autonomy) or committed to democracy (seeking to have the will of the majority expressed in the society). But outside of industrialized Anglo-sphere, these rarely intersect.
The Left today is more committed to liberalism than to democracy which makes them “liberal authoritarians”.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

yeah, the way it departs is by allowing the democratic will to be expressed in law rather than suppressed by courts and bureaucrats.

Kevin Carroll
Kevin Carroll
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

We had a referendum in Ireland in 2004 on citizenship. Because of the widespread abuse by Illegal immigrants.Trying claim citizenship.78% turn out. With 80% rejection of there claims. But still our corrupt eltes are trying to undermine the referendum result.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
2 years ago

“I am very sorry that cheap Russian oil is now more important to Hungarian politicians than Ukrainian blood.”
I suspect it may also be more important to the people too. If the economic/energy crisis that is hitting us here is effecting the Hungarians too then only once we are secure in our own homes, warm and fed, are we able to think beyond to the needs of others. Looking after your families and your own basic needs first and foremost is not greed but human instinct.

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

They are also concerned about the treatment of ethnic Hungarians in western Ukraine, so they have tried to be neutral.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
2 years ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

Which is completely understandable.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Such a line could only be spoken by someone who doesn’t have to worry about freezing next winter.

Peter LR
Peter LR
2 years ago

The power of elite liberalism was expressed here in the concerted attempts to overthrow the Brexit vote. Perhaps there has not been true conservative governance here since 1990: all PMs since then have been social democrats of one colour or another. The ‘burying of bad news’ by the legacy media in the Blair era continues now with the connivance of media tech elites banning information which does suitably gloss their preferred candidates. Maybe Orban is on to something. It reminded me of Singapore which has been a conservative economic success – do they exercise the same media influence? It’s interesting how quickly Covid has dropped off the radar in the Hungary hustings having had the second worst death rate per million in the EU.

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ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
2 years ago
Reply to  Peter LR

Nor do we have anything now that even remotely resembles a Tory Government. The Regicides of Margaret Thatcher have a lot to answer for.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
2 years ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

They possibly do, but they sensed, probably correctly, that Thatcher would be done for at the next election. Is Trump perhaps your hero? He is not mine, destroying the prospect of true conservative (not reactionary) government, and in any case a one term loser.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
2 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Here in deepest Arcadia, the word ‘trump’ is only associated with playing of Bridge and Whist.

I know the Tory ‘traitors’ narrative was that Lady Thatcher had gone ‘bonkers’* and had to be replaced. No Englishman I knew thought that, and most were frankly disgusted by the antics of Hesseltine, Howe,Hurd, Major etc.

Judging by what happened, we were perfectly correct in our revulsion as to what the ‘traitors’ were capable of. Lady Thatcher had at least another four years in her, and her loss brought immeasurable damage to this country, damage that will probably never be repaired.

(* The Poll Tax on the miserable Scotch.)

Derek Smith
Derek Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Peter LR

The Singapore government controls the media here – they own it. They would not permit it to become a cultural opposition to their rule.

Last edited 2 years ago by Derek Smith
Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
2 years ago
Reply to  Derek Smith

The government in the US owns the media here, too. They just won’t admit it.

Ray Zacek
Ray Zacek
2 years ago

By government, you mean the Democrat party? Most corporate media coverage in the U.S. is an in-kind contribution to the Democrats.

Last edited 2 years ago by Ray Zacek
Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
2 years ago

One often wonders if the media doesn’t own the government along with multiple corporate interests.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
2 years ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

Good point, and a likely one.

Insufficiently Sensitive
Insufficiently Sensitive
2 years ago

The government in the US owns the media here, too.
Er, it’s actually the other way around.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
2 years ago

You should try and be precise in your language on a forum of ideas. The US government do not by any stretch ‘own’ the media, otherwise why did not Trump own it?. Fox News? The media may well have a strong liberal leaning (on the whole) but that is not the same thing.

Insufficiently Sensitive
Insufficiently Sensitive
2 years ago

Opposition candidates are given significantly less airtime on state broadcasting networks than government figures, with the result that Fidesz narratives dominate the airwaves;
Gosh, they’re just following the lead of the monolithic Democrat/Media party in the glorious United States of America, who in 2020 elected the least capable President in their history by using ‘private enterprise’ oligarchs to choke off news which would have exposed his corruption to voters nationwide, and likely elected the Other Guy.

Insufficiently Sensitive
Insufficiently Sensitive
2 years ago

the opposition are united in an awkward marriage of convenience by one goal only: to depose Orbán. 
The 2020 US election was a perfect example of that effort of fanatic reaction. It’s been disastrous, as a win by Hungary’s opposition ‘coalition’ would be. All tantrum, no governance.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
2 years ago

“All tantrum, no governance”, what a splendid expression!
It perfectly encapsulates what has been going on in the wretched UK for past two years, since the very start of the Great Covid Panic.
Well said sir!

Colin Elliott
Colin Elliott
2 years ago

The author describes Hungary’s policy with some disapproval, but I can’t see much difference between it and that of Germany, at least until very recently, and I’ve yet to see much proof of that change.
In both cases, they put their trust in Putin for national interest, not expecting him to do something so outrageous as launching an invasion of a weaker neighbour. Of course they are now between a rock and a hard place.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
2 years ago
Reply to  Colin Elliott

And with Germany at least, it cannot be said they didn’t know all about Putin. Merkel said of Putin in 2015: “…he is living in another world…”. And still they kept entrenching both their dependence and their relationship with Russia. And I have yet to see a satisfactory answer why they did this.

Jesse Porter
Jesse Porter
2 years ago

Eastern European politics is very much similar to American politics. Historic forces are in contrast to today’s movers and shakers. Anti-Soviet feelings, built on the crass materialism of Marxism disguised as concern for the poor and powerless, while raping and murdering them by mindless policies of collective centralizing power in the hands of a relative few apparatchiks. Absolutely blind leaders of the blind piling them in ditches trying futilely to hide their mistakes while doubling down on their failed policies. And when it becomes evident that a number of the masses might be waking up to the idiocy that is destroying, diverting their attention with foreign intrigue and warfare.
The American socialism of Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson, sold as care for the poor and downtrodden, in very like manner as European-Russian-Chinese communism, blinded well-meaning “liberal”, intelligencia to follow destructive social policies to the ruination of American culture and weakening of defense by over-reliance on military technology in place of moral backbone.
Europeans, including Briton, also eschewed morality as strength and solidarity as multi-culturalism, and surrendered to the invasion of savage and heathen forces interested only in plunder and pillage.

Austin Ruse
Austin Ruse
2 years ago

Good grief. As if liberal/leftist elites in the United States don’t do exactly what Orban critics charge him with. They dominate the airwaves. They dominate the federal bureaucracy.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
2 years ago

“…Donáth is a Fidesz opponent straight from central casting…”

She sounds exactly like a member of the Labour party to me – blame the governing party for twisting people’s minds, because you can’t exactly blame people for not wanting to listen to you. Not that that stopped the Labour party, especially the Remoaner wing from trying that tactic very hard. Unsurprisingly, it didn’t work well as a strategy.

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Richard Goodall
Richard Goodall
2 years ago

The EU is not a liberal democracy. As a country whose people have experienced communism in their living memory what do Hungarians see? To the East a warmongering fascist and to the West a cultural marxist state run by diktat. Good luck to them!

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago

Liberal democracy is an oxymoron. Either democracy or liberalism is the highest good; both cannot be. Hungary presents a conflict between democracy (the Hungarian voters’ will) and liberalism (Drag Queen Story Hour and Blues Clues Pride Parade). The EU chose their side — liberalism over democracy. As a result, they are liberal authoritarians.

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Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
2 years ago

Difficult to see how Orban’s position on the Ukraine war is much different from Germany’s, and influenced by similar energy considerations

Anton van der Merwe
Anton van der Merwe
2 years ago

The deeply flawed argument here seems to be that illiberal democracy is more democratic that liberal democracy because in the latter the metropolitan elite are more leftwing than the rest of the country. I suspect the author would feel differently if the leader of the illiberal democracy had socialist inclinations. Liberal democracy would suddenly appeal more.

Wilfred Davis
Wilfred Davis
2 years ago

I’m not sure that the point is whether policies are in this direction instead of than that direction.

Rather, it is whether the policies are in tune with the concerns of the majority of voters, rather than of an unrepresentative minority (an ‘elite’ exercising power or influence disproportionate to its numbers).

By definition, what is democracy about: the wishes of the majority of the people, or the wishes of a minority of the people?

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
2 years ago
Reply to  Wilfred Davis

Given how the majority has given up freedom for security in this pandemic, sacrificing minority rights enshrined in the US Constitution, what then? Pure democracies in history always have failed.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago
Reply to  Wilfred Davis

The Hungarian voters just gave Orban’s Party a 2/3rds majority in Parliament and voted to approve his family protection bills.

We’ll see if our liberal Western press can accept the results of a democratic election or not.

Dustin Needle
Dustin Needle
2 years ago

Well I trust the longest serving, democratically elected leader in the EU is being duly celebrated and feted in our media today?
I get the points made, and some of it troubles me as well, but it’s a reflection of the times. The seeds of the UK’s own “juristocracy” were planted in 1997 and have been operating in plain sight since 2010. The personnel it can call on from time to time on a range of issues is incalculable. The money it can draw on to run it’s campaigns of influence and resistance is enormous. The mainstream media is bought and sold, there is no challenge.
How big does an effective Government rebuttal system need to be to combat all that – and at what cost to the taxpayer? I don’t think it can be done. And Hungary is not a rich country.
No wonder Orban feels he has to do what he does to operate the country in the way his core voter base instructs him.
Congrats to Aris for managing to make his points far more effectively than any other journo I have read, which follows his fascinating piece Ukraine recently. Top man – more power to his elbow.

Douglas McNeish
Douglas McNeish
2 years ago

In the opening paragraphs I thought the writer was describing the dominance of the Democrat party in the US, what with tipping the electoral scales by legislation and silencing opposition views in the media. In an inverted paradigm, perhaps they have become a role model for Orban.

Insufficiently Sensitive
Insufficiently Sensitive
2 years ago

but it departs from the stated norms of European liberal democracy in a number of ways.
Funny, that. Can anyone identify who elected the commissars of ‘European liberal democracy’? Do any of those voters live in Hungary?

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
2 years ago

There is a covert attempt to equate the conservative “right” with the “Liberal left” in this article, which I dislike.
We may be seeking the same electoral advantages after the death of Democracy, but we have totally different goals, in that the left have descended into psychological chaos, while we conservatives are attempting to reset the destruction to society brought about by two decades of “liberalism”

LCarey Rowland
LCarey Rowland
2 years ago

Several years ago, my son-in-law, a US AirForce pilot, was stationed in Hungary, at the NATO air base near Papa, Hungary.
At that time, I often took pride in telling our friends here in the US that . . . my daughter and her husband, my son-in-law, were stationed at a NATO airbase that had FORMERLY been a Soviet air base. I would reinforce the statement with a brag:
“Now I call that progress!”
But now, with this discouraging report on Mr. Orban’s Putinesque shenanigans, I am hoping that the Russia-sympathizing Fidecz will not turn back the clock by supporting Vlad the Mad.
Let’s keep that airbase at Papa Hungary a NATO stronghold, no matter what Orban may do. And let us, as Allies, do all we can. . . to keep Hungary in the European fold. If this election does not work in EU favor, let us maintain a vigilance that will not permit Hungarian retrogression back to Russian concussion.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago
Reply to  LCarey Rowland

LCarey, please do not trust what our press says. Rod Dreher at The American Conservative has spent more than half the last year in Hungary and has done some truly great reporting, particularly on the family protection referendum that was on the ballot yesterday (and passed.) Your press (this author here is better than many) honestly cannot give you the truth about Hungary because they can not admit, even to themselves, that there is a conflict between democracy and liberalism.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
2 years ago

The Orbán model, that is to say the Soros model, has been more effectively duplicated in the US by the Democrat Party, which also has the support of Big Media, Big Tech, Bigs Pharma and all the other bigs.They put their heads together to steal the last election, and I’d give plenty to find out what criminality they will be capable of in 2024.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
2 years ago

I understand that the Tories have a new MP candidate for a Kent seat, Invicta Suborban….

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
2 years ago

I expect Orban will get re-elected, but his stance on Putin has hugely reinforced the EU’s position against him, and annoyed the USA too, and the Hungarian people will find out the consequences of that over the next 5 years. What goes around comes around.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

Orban seems to have walked a fine line in trying to manage Putin. Putin has betrayed that trust and I might imagine concern in Hungary where many can recall the 1950’s. Few other places have had their hopes crushed so well.

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

The EU and the entire global liberal establishment already hate him. The EU froze his COVID aid because he dared to pass a law that children couldn’t have LGBT propaganda marketed to them. A law which was put on the ballot yesterday and passed resoundingly.

Orban gets 80% of his oil and gas from Russia. He has to walk a fine line because his citizens will freeze and starve next winter if he doesn’t. Were Russia to cut him off, you know what the EU/US liberal authoritarians would say: “gee, we’d love to sell you LNG… as soon as you repeal that law and let us sexually groom your 7 year olds again. Otherwise, you’re a dictator and we can’t help you.”

Peter B
Peter B
2 years ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

I see – let’s blame the stupid voters. How’s that been working for Hilary Clinton, the Labour party, the Remain campaign ?
EU bureaucrats (none of them elected) are surely in no position to lecture Hungary on democracy. Nor is the rubber stamp EU Parliament (negative value – can do nothing useful, but runds up huge expenses) with its maximum 2 minute speeches and MEPs unable to initiate legislation any sort of model.
Sure, there are things to object to about Orban’s control of the media. But the EU should put its own house in order before claiming to be an authority on democratic values.
As for cultural values in Hungary, that is surely no business of the EU.
I notice that there is no serious dispute that Orban won the election by a significant majority or that this was not an essentialy free and fair election.
I suggest we let the Hungarians choose who they want to govern them and that the EU should butt out. Their attempts to interfere are clearly having the opposite effect to what they hoped. But that’s the EU for you !