It is inevitable that there must be a negotiated end to this conflict, since, even if he fails in a conventional military context, Putin has the nuclear option. The sooner this negotiation happens, the less slaughter and destruction.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the situation, the West needs to acknowledge that we are now living in a multipolar world, and that we cannot dictate terms. The unipolar hegemony of liberal democracy of the 1990s is now history.
The ceding of Russian speaking Crimea and Eastern Ukrainian enclaves to Russia, along with a robustly managed neutrality for the rest of Ukraine seems a reasonable alternative to nuclear oblivion to me.
I agree 100% Adam.
I completely agree with you. And I would perhaps go a step further. If I were President of the United States I would get Zelinsky and Putin in a room to negotiate a settlement and I would lock them in there until settlement had been reached. I would tell Zelinsky in no uncertain terms that he has to give up the Donbass and Crimea. And as a measure of good faith I would immediately lift all economic sanctions with the threat that these would be reintroduced immediately if negotiations did not proceed in good faith, and further if they didn’t I would indicate to both parties that the same sanctions would be imposed on both Russia and Ukraine.
There are those who might characterize such an approach as appeasement and that I’m a Putin stooge, both of which are completely false. Rather, the fact of the matter is that Ukraine is of absolutely no strategic value to the West and there is absolutely no reason why we in the West should sacrifice our own economic well being and our own lives for the Ukrainians. While Ukraine is the underdog and the West’s favorite, equating Zelinsky to Churchill and Putin to Hitler, it’s in nobody’s interest to continue this fight. And it is certainly not in the West’s interest to declare total economic war on Russia especially since the Russians can retaliate in terms of denying us essential raw materials (in the form of rare metals, etc…). Far better to bring Russia into the Western fold, even if it is right now an autocratic state. And far better for the West not to meddle in countries that they have no reason to meddle in, and that includes Ukraine.
“I would tell Zelinsky in no uncertain terms that he has to give up the Donbass and Crimea.“
Hang on…. Didn’t that happen before, sometime? You know: when a dictator claimed a slice of territory and then turned out not to be satisfied with that? Russia’s attacks have already extended far beyond Donbas and Crimea and Putin has verbally threatened Lithuania and is demonstrating a military threat to Moldova.
How far will your appeasement go? Putin wants to recreate the Tsarist empire, which included Finland and half of Poland. Is that a reasonable demand, or should we chuck in Sweden and Denmark and Romania, to keep Vladi sweet for a bit longer?
Perhaps look at the situation as it really is rather than blindly accept Ukrainian and western propaganda. There are no good guys and bad guys here. They are all bad. The Ukrainians, encouraged by the western powers, overplayed their hand and the Russians reacted exactly as they said they would. The result is the tragic situation Ukraine now finds itself in. But it will be far more tragic if this encompasses the entire world in a WWIII, especially one involving the potential launching of nuclear weapons.
Here’s the thing. Putin et al. have been completely clear regarding Ukraine for at least 8 years, if not since the 90s. Further, the continual shelling of the Donbass by Ukrainian forces, leading to very significant loss of life there, was never a concern of the West. But Putin has never indicated that he wishes to take over Poland, Moldova or Lithuania, let alone Finland. Best to keep speculation in check and act upon the situation as it is rather than invent things that will lead to even further and far horrific bloodshed.
What has Zelensky done to warrant the bad guy tag you’re so quick to label him? Why are those Ukrainian volunteers desperately trying to protect their homeland from foreign invaders bad guys?
Tell me, would you defend a NATO invasion of Russia if the eastern bloc nations said they feared Russian invasion due to its recent actions in Georgia and Ukraine? You seem happy to condone Putin launching what he essentially classes as a preemptive strike to prevent danger on his western border, would you be as forgiving of the western powers doing the same?
Punishing the victim?
Where have we heard that before?
In the end there has to be a negotiated settlement, but best for all concerned that the West butts out. Nor is the Russian bear invincible. The Ukrainian defence by a largely untrained civilian army has been magnificent, and has exposed the Russian Army as a paper tiger. But it is not the first time that has happened. When the Soviets invaded Finland (like Ukraine a former Russian province), The Finns fought back and gave the Soviets a bloody nose. But the Finns understood that they could never win a prolonged war with Russia, and conceded some small plots of territory, and most crucially opted for neutrality in the Cold War. All small states existing on the periphery of large powerful ones have to accept to some degree that their existence depends upon being good neighbors. Ultimately, a settlement will be on those lines. The Finns understood that, and Ukraine will have to do likewise.
Nobody is saying punishing the victim. But the fact is that the Ukrainians are not blameless here. They made choices and Russia reacted to those choices. Clearly the Ukrainians overplayed their hand, and whether they have fought magnificently or not is neither here nor there when lives are being lost needlessly. As you say small states have to accept that their existence depends upon being good neighbors.
Zelensky must hand over his Don Bass and his Cry Me A River vinyl album. Unscratched! As Russia is bereft. It’s fed up with mere tapes. And needs some cheer. Nobody should hog what does not belong to them.
Agreed. Plus assurances that Ukraine will not join NATO. Then let’s end this bloody thing
Russia, to all intents and purposes, had Donbas and Crimea before starting this war. There was also no realistic prospect of Ukraine’s joining NATO. Russia started the war, regardless.
Why, do you imagine, Putin will settle for what he already had? If he gets away with this, he’ll be launching invasions of the Baltic States, Moldova, even Poland and Finland, and you will be demanding that we appease him over all of that, as well.
Owen, That’s a big leap you’re taking. And it’s the sort of hysterical warmongering that can easily lead to disaster. There is no evidence that Putin wants to go any further. and Putin is not Hitler. The correct analogy for the current mess is not pre-WWII but pre-WWI. And as we all know, there were no good guys and bad guys in the WWI conflict, in contrast to WWII.
Here is the simple truth: if Mexico were to enter a military alliance with Russia, and the Russian funded biolabs working on deadly pathogens in Mexico, and in addition the country was replete with Russian military advisors, I suspect that Washington would not react too well, and might well take matters into their own hands. Now, of course that is a hypothetical, but that is the situation that Russia found itself in with the continual push to move the boundaries of the NATO alliance eastward, let alone fund dangerous biolabs. Now, of course, Romney and some readers on Unherd will accuse me, as Romney accused Tulsy Gabbard, of treason and Russian misinformation, but the biolabs and their funding is well documented and in the public domain.
The ‘shifting of NATO boundaries eastward is a demand pull of the citizens of those border countries, who have experienced Russian chauvinistic domination right up to 1991. Not a’ push eastward by Western powers’.
Let’s understand what it is those countries are wanting and then raise the wisdom arguments about how to support or otherwise those freedom based nationhood hopes and dreams
The trouble with that approach, is that one day they’ll be on your doorstep.
Disagree about this “multipolar world” assumption.
If anything, this war had shown up just how ineffective the Russian military is. It’s clearly ridden with corruption and incompetence and the American superiority in weapons, technology and intelligence is keeping the Ukrainians going.
So a smallish country with only unofficial US support is holding the mighty Russia at bay and you say the US is not the dominant world power ?
Why do we suppose the untested Chinese military is any more competent (and less corrupt) than the Russians ? Is their untested military equipment better than the US kit ? Are their soldiers and officers in the same class ?
Considering that Eastern Ukraine and Kiev were given to Russia by Poland and Lithuania in the 17th century and that the Crimeans voted 97% to join Russia, that is the most logical solution. However, there is no logic in war.
Neutrality robustly managed by Russia, USA and UK, as in the 1994 treaty?
Japan may have just been within range of American B29 bombers taking off from Saipan, but the taking of Iwo Jima, that was yet closer to Japan, meant that damaged war planes would not have to ditch in the ocean. The USAAF must have predicted that so many of their planes would be damaged on bombing runs over Japan that it was prudent to have a base even closer than Saipan to Japan.
Who knows how many hundreds or thousands of British or Allied aircraft were saved by the fact that, when returning back to Blighty from missions over Germany, a distance, at most, of a couple of hundred miles of sea (and land mostly in certain directions) separated danger from safety, targets from home bases.
In the Pacific arena, hundreds of miles of pure ocean had had to be flown over. And back again.
Japan knew too how critical the taking of Iwo Jima would be to America.
Barring D-Day perhaps, the biggest invasion force by sea had assembled off Iwo in I think it was January of 1945. Iwo Jima was a pinprick of an island. Perhaps eight miles by four, something like that. It took America two whole months to secure it. Overall, it is only estimated, but nearly 30,000 soldiers on both sides were killed, very nearly the whole of the 20, 000 Japanese defenders did. Tens of thousands were wounded. If my memory serves me right, I read that eight thousand US marines were killed taking it.
The intense brutality of the battle for Iwo Jima, I imagine, made the Americans think deeply about how difficult it would be to take Japan, an island a thousand times bigger than Iwo Jima.
That thinking must have led to a firmer decision to use the atomic bomb.
According to General Groves, who headed the Manhattan Project, there was no “decision” to use the bomb. As the author mentioned, the decision to use the bomb against Japan as soon as it became available was made long before Truman went into the White House. The first bomb was rushed to Saipan as soon as the test proved it to be successful and it was dropped as soon as it got there.
It seems to me that the author has missed some critical points. and the analogies to WWII seem to me to be completely irrelevant.
It is perfectly clear that Putin would not drop a nuclear bomb on Ukraine. There is absolutely no need, and whether one likes it or not, and no matter how valiantly the Ukrainians have resisted so far (and that’s not entirely so clear given that all the western news is filtered through Ukrainian and western propaganda), the Russians have a massive advantage, and it would take a miracle as well as military genius for the Ukrainians to defeat the Russians. However, if NATO and the US were to become actively involved in the fighting then all bets are off the table, especially given the risks of miscalculation. Russia is a lot bigger in terms f land mass than either the US or Europe, and they could potentially evacuate Moscow and other major cities, and then proceed to target US and European cities at will. Yes the Russians would suffer in a retaliatory strike but if Putin has nothing anymore to lose who knows what he might resort to. Might be worthwhile considering what I believe Mao once said about nuclear bombs vis a vis China. I believe, if I recall correctly, Mao said that even if the west killed over half the Chinese population in a nuclear strike, China would still have double the number of people left than the population of the US which of course would be decimated in a nuclear exchange.
I like your comment but I’m still worried about the possibility of a nuclear strike. I thought it highly unlikely at the beginning of this conflict, but the possibility seems to be growing.
“the Russians have a massive advantage, and it would take a miracle as well as military genius for the Ukrainians to defeat the Russians.”
Agreed although, as you note, Western media propaganda is doing a good job telling a different story.
“However, if NATO and the US were to become actively involved in the fighting then all bets are off the table,”
Tomorrow night President Zelensky addresses the US Congress in an attempt to pressure President Biden to become directly involved in the conflict, notably by creating a no-fly zone over Ukraine. There appears to be an emerging bipartisan consensus on creating a no-fly zone and I can only hope Biden is able to resist it. That level of involvement is exactly what might lead to a wider war and potential use of nuclear weapons. Supporting Ukraine is important but not at the cost of creating a wider war. The level of hysteria in DC right now is unnerving.
“Russia is a lot bigger in terms f land mass than either the US or Europe, and they could potentially evacuate Moscow and other major cities, and then proceed to target US and European cities at will.”
That seems like an optimistic assessment, not least because if Putin did that he’d be signaling what he was planning to do next and that might trigger either a political coup in Russia and/or a preemptive strike by the US.
“Mao said that even if the west killed over half the Chinese population in a nuclear strike, China would still have double the number of people left than the population of the US which of course would be decimated in a nuclear exchange.”
Mao’s arithmetic might have been correct but I think he underestimated the consequences of such a nuclear exchange. There would be enormous release of radiation and, with destruction of the cities and national infrastructure, the remaining Chinese would be back to the Middle Ages in terms of living standards.
Great article, though. I certainly learned something about the possible lines of thought that went into the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
There are two things which can be relied on
One, no democracy which trades with other democracies has ever gone to war against another democracy. No exceptions. (and a great recipe for those who hope for ‘world peace’
Two, the very phenomena of MAD pretty much forever prevents strategic use of nuke weapons between one or more nations which possess these. There may well be tactical field use of small nukes in some contingent situation, but all out exchange of strategic use of nukes is the same as exploding your own ones on yourself, which of course is highly unlikely. So we can rest easy about ‘nuclear war’
Face facts. Look at the present situation.
Russia is well on its way to becoming a minor power. Putin bombs the cities because that is now the only thing his forces are capable of doing. His is the greatest geopolitical blunder of the 21st C.
No great power has to beg China for read-to-eat meals.
You are blinded by propaganda
A minor power perhaps, but a minor power that has more nuclear warheads and delivery systems than anybody else, and who can incinerate the entire US many many time over. That’s the reality.
There was a very good historical reason to demand unconditional surrender of Germany; because right wing militaristic and revanchist forces in that country had been able to maintain with a scintilla of plausibility that Germany had only been defeated in 1918 because of the machinations of decadent civilian politicians.
The same consideration did not apply to Japan. However, the ‘revisionist’ case is weak; the ultimate Japanese decision to surrender was a very close-run thing even AFTER the dropping of the two atomic bombs.
The difference unfortunately from the situation in Ukraine today is that Truman was a typical American politician; Putin an increasingly unhinged megalomaniac dictator whose actions have over the years demonstrated a total contempt for human life; Russians not excluded. There may be no racial factor, but the fact that the civilians being massacred by indiscriminate use of artillery are largely Russian speaking gives the lie to the fact that Putin’s main concern is that for ‘his people’.
That’s a pretty weak analysis Andrew, there’s no getting rid of Putin. If the idea is to get him out in the same way Hitler was removed, by an invasion, then it’s curtains for all of us.
There is simply no comparison between the situation of the United States in 1945 and that of Russia now. Japan then was the aggressor, unless Richard Johnson has found some “revisionists,” who tell him that the US Navy bombed itself at Pearl Harbor and all those IJN aeroplanes were just on a sightseeing operation.
Today, Putin is both the aggressor and the party with a nuclear button.
Another interesting essay this morning giving history and context to the nuclear question.
Putin displays all the traits of a height functioning psychopath.
If a mild-mannered Teddy Bear can press the red button what would an angry Russian bear do if you tweaked his tail once too often. Don’t bit him; out smart him!
A lot of psychopaths are quite high functioning and a lot of politicians are psychopaths/sociopaths – considering only the fact that they have a high threshold for arousal. They are also very good imitators, as was discussed quite recently.
Hare’s 20 questions to identify a psychopath. Used it frequently during my days in corporate management!
A link – one of many https://www.rd.com/article/hare-psychopathy-test/
Although Mr. Johnson gives us a nice overview of the historiography surrounding America’s decision to drop the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he makes an unconvincing case that it is relevant to today. Of all the reasons Truman may have had for dropping those bombs the idea that it was to save face is the most ludicrous; I don’t believe any leader, even Putin, would reign such destruction down on humans merely to save face.
There may still be a chance for diplomacy to end this madness, however there is little evidence that anyone is negotiating in good faith or that NATO is negotiating at all. The west could have avoided the conflict entirely by guaranteeing Ukraine would never join NATO, but they didn’t.
Everyday this war continues the chance for escalation exists bringing with it a wider war between Russia and NATO where someone makes a strategic decision to use nuclear weapons. But what I worry about more than that is an accidental exchange in which one side falsely believes the other is launching an attack and launches a retaliatory strike of its own. The gravest danger is a communications failure that unintentionally brings about nuclear destruction, something that was impossible in 1945.
A good article, but I would take issue with the “it’s been three weeks. Why isn’t it all over?” tone. That’s not actually very long – it’s only a long time in journalism/media.
This is a long way yet from being considered a protracted conflict. There is still plenty of time for a, hopefully negotiated, solution.
The risk of it going nuclear is no doubt there, but things aren’t going so badly for Russia that it is yet a likelihood through desperation.
I wouldn’t count on things actually going badly for the Russians. If one reads the headlines and listens to talking heads, whether from right or left leaning MSM outlets, one clearly gets the impression that the Russians are doing very badly, their campaign has stalled, they are requesting arms from the Chinese, etc. etc… But then every day in the same outlets one can look at the maps showing where the Russian forces are, and everyday the Russians continue to advance. There is obviously a good deal of cognitive dissonance here, given that reality (the maps) doesn’t match up with the western MSM outlets (fed to a large extent by Ukrainian propaganda that frankly is beginning to sound more and more like Baghdad Bob).
It’s worth considering, irrespective of what was published in the western media, that Ukraine is not the size of Luxembourg or Belgium or Holland or Monaco; Ukraine is the size of France. i.e. it’s a big country. Even the Germans didn’t take over the whole of France in the space of 2 weeks. Rather the French surrendered with their tails between their legs rather than fight once the Germans overran the Maginot line, but not all of France was ever occupied during WWII – rather it was run by the French Vichy. Likewise, if I’m not mistaken it took the US 3 weeks to get to Baghdad with a lot of shock and awe bombing that probably killed a lot more civilians than have been killed in Ukraine to date. Yesterday morning, for example, I believe the UN stated that there had been 536 civilian deaths so far – while every unnecessary death is tragic, it strikes me that that number is actually rather small in the circumstances.
Oh, I don’t think Russia will actually lose, which is why I don’t see a high likelihood of the nuclear option.
There’s an awful lot of propaganda of the ‘plucky underdog winning the day’ type, which I suspect is more morale-boosting than accurate.
I also suspect that Putin miscalculated in not thinking he needed to send his ‘A Team’ or sufficient numbers of troops or more appropriate material. That doesn’t mean he won’t, though. It just means the worst, for Ukraine, is probably yet to come.
I would agree 100% with the first two paragraphs of your comment. Not sure about the third, because it is so hard to know what is actually going on, and it isn’t helped by endless propaganda from Ukraine, gobbled up by the Western press without any verification or cross-checking. All I can tell is that there is a significant mismatch between the maps of the advancing Russians, and the actual reports and the mouthings of so many so-called talking head experts, at least here in the US.
Revisionist historians fail to take into account that no-one believed that the Japanese were going to surrender, least of all the Japanese. Don’t forget that throughout the conflict including in 1945, when entire divisions were surrendering in Europe, virtually no Japanese soldiers surrendered. You will look in vain for any record of any Japanese unit of any size surrendering. Ever. Anywhere. A record which has no parallel in any war, in any century, in any army. Ever. Even many Japanese civilians, women and children, chose suicide over capture.
It was ludicrous to believe that the Japanese would surrender if their mainland was invaded, and nobody at that time did believed it. Even after the first atomic bomb was dropped, Japan did not surrender. It was only after the second bomb, that the Emperor made the decision to lay down arms – over the objects of most of his military leaders.
The decision to drop the bomb belonged to Truman, but the responsibility belonged to Japan.
The WWII revisionists are wrong. They cherry pick quotes and theories to build a flimsy case. But more importantly, I don’t find the analogy to WWII helpful. As some have mentioned in the comments, it’s Putin that has put himself in a corner. Unfortunately, we’ll see how that desperation plays out.
The point surely is that we need to provide both sides, but especially Putin, with a way out of the impasse. If we simply keep upping the pressure on Putin, then he may very well act out of desperation.
Unless of course some of us (and maybe them) do actually want Armageddon
The point about the survival of Japan’s regime is of interest.
Our goal isn’t to remove Putin. But if he sees defeat in Ukraine as a threat to his survival, we may have some real work ahead.
The whole “remove Putin” demands ignore that he’s popular. The elections might have been flawed but he would have won anyway. He’s even more popular now according to independent polls.
The second largest party in Russia, the communists, is also pro war. So “remove Putin and restore democracy” and you get Putin again. Or his party at least.
“Real work ahead” is the opposite of removing Putin.
We need to manage this carefully. Russia is about to be poorer than in the 90s. Moreover, if Putin goes, the whole rotten Russian political system collapses. Yet it’s very unlikely he can survive.
Managing the Soviet Union’s fall was far easier.
i am in Sweden right now heading north for a skiing holiday. Sport shops have been emptied of all what remotely resembles a gas cooker or dehydrated food with the sale assistant explaining me how she had to mother customers out of their fears……being scared herself.
The Finnish president war clearly of the opinion on CNN Putin would not hesitate to drop a nuke and between a knowledgeable scholar and someone holding an public office in the thick of it……that is 1300 km common border with Russia……..It is a no brainer to decide who I am siding with.
Even if Putin wants to use tactical nuclear weapons I can’t imagine what he would target. They are designed to be used on large formations of armoured vehicles. Ukraine doesn’t have that many armoured vehicles and those that they have are not concentrated in one place. Using them on thinly deployed infantry would obviously kill those in the immediate vicinity but would hardly justify the potential retribution which might result.
This is all just one more example of the effectiveness of Western propaganda. They’ve flooded Unherd with so much anti Russia nonsense I can’t keep up with it. Straight from coronavirus hysteria to the evil Russians are coming hysteria. Nobody even batted an eye. It truly is incredible. I tried explaining to everyone that Russia is not losing this war. They are clearly winning it. They are taking over Mariupol and will control the Azov coast. The majority of the Urkainian army some 60,000 men are surrounded without hope of resupply in the East. They will not give back the Azov coast in any negotiation. They may take Ukraine’s entire black sea coast next. Russia is dictacting the outcome of this war and no amount of Unherd articles or Western propaganda is going to change that.
Hi Dennis thanks for your comments. I am curious, is your background military?
You have to define winning first. They may flatten Ukraine, like they did in Aleppo, but they don’t have the ability to hold it. Even a pro Russian supporter can see that their logistical capabilities are lacking, and that’s what wins wars.
Of course they should win the war. Bigger country. Bigger population. Bigger economy. Bigger army. Bigger Air Force. Nor is there any doubt about the construction of the iron curtain post 1945, or the collapse of the USSR which Mr Putin apparently wishes to reverse. But to complain about an unprovoked attack on a neighbour, and the bombing of civilian targets is not anti Russian nonsense.
And then what ?
More repression and propaganda, until one day, the latest Russian federation collapses because it has become economically unsuccessful, made more enemies, the enemies are more numerous and wealthy, and they have united.
We will have been nuked well before that. Matter of survival or death wish as you please. If all is lost, Putin will try to take us into the valley of death with a nuke.
Thus is what makes him so dangerous
You’re assuming Putin is rational. Like he and Truman are different-coloured chess pieces. If he were to use a nuclear weapon it would be the last decision of Putin’s life. The US should point this out to him.. while offering a 1 billion dollar bounty to anybody who removes him
Be careful what you wish for because the replacement may be a lot worse, and a Russia in disarray with 1000s of nuclear warheads is perhaps not the greatest idea. Actual it’s totally dumb.
Further, if Putin were to launch a nuclear weapon(s) it would not only be the last decision of his life but also for a very large number of people (probably the vast majority) in Europe and the US. Is that what you really want. There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered and injured bear (or lion or wolf, etc….). And by the way, if our leadership has access to nuclear bomb shelters, so does Putin and his cohorts. So Putin can continue firing for a quite a while if he so chooses.
When you ask: will Russia drop a nuclear bomb? Are you really asking: will Russia follow the USA?
Where exactly would Putin drop a nuke without putting his own troops in danger? It is far more likely that the rabid neocons in the West lob a nuke into Russian territory.
Putin has still not sent in his A team yet!
I am not a Putin defender but I am 100% certain of one thing : we are being lied to from both sides with propaganda reaching ridiculous levels, for example :
“Defiant Ukrainian woman who brought down drone with jar of tomatoes vows to fight on”
Putin at the beginning of his invasion made veiled threats that if NATO intervened he would resort with a response that we had never before experienced and so we sacrificed Ukraine … now its appearing Putins war machine is not what we thought it was … the question that remains … should we have offered Ukraine a No Fly Zone
You don’t just announce a NFZ, you have to enforce it. One or more squadrons of RAF jets go to an airfield in Poland and start flying combat air patrols.
They shoot down Russian planes, and are shot down in turn. Russian SAMs are guided by radar stations, which could be in Belarus or Russia itself. You fire anti-radiation missiles at the radar stations to blind the SAMs.
The Russians drop a tactical nuke on the airfield in Poland.
Yet another who has heard of no-fly zones over Kurdistan, or Libya, so imagines that it is a tactic one can easily switch on over Ukraine. No, operating such a zone mean acquiring air superiority, which means not only attacking other aircraft in the zone, but those entering or leaving it, and any ground equipment which presents a threat, meaning radar and missiles. Escalation to nuclear war is all too likely, a risk no idiot would entertain.
Are “we” really sure Ukraine got rid of all its bombs?
First, let me say that discussing whether someone would use nukes in Ukraine is premature. That’s not going to happen unless NATO gets involved. As for the A-bomb, I am one who passionately believes it was unnecessary. I wrote an article for WW II History magazine several years ago expressing my views and showing why. It’s pretty obvious that Truman wanted to drop the bomb before Japan surrendered to demonstrate it to the world. What’s 100,000 Japanese lives after all? They were mere Japs and Nips – and they were guilty of atrocities far worse than anything Zelensky has come up with to accuse Putin. As long as NATO, particularly the US, stays out of the Ukraine mess, it’s not going to happen. If the mentally incompetent Biden decides to involve US “troops” (fighter pilots are troops, after all), then God only knows what will happen.