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J Bryant
J Bryant
8 months ago

A very interesting article about a subject unlikely to be reported outside the specialist literature.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
7 months ago

Given that Putin’s primary justification for this war is based on the shared roots and ethnicity of the Slavs in Russia and Ukraine (and Belarus), I’m rather surprised that no one has raised the issue of how Russian Slavs will feel about Chechnya Muslims slaughtering their fellow Ukrainians Slavs. I don’t think they’ll be at all happy about it, and it severely undermines Putin’s claim of defending Slavs.
But I’ve yet to see any commentator, including this writer, mention that aspect. Am I wrong in thinking this could be a big deal in the aftermath of the war?

Last edited 7 months ago by Ian Stewart
ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

A very good point.
In the early days of the Irish Rebellion 1969-1996 we could have deployed Gurkha troops, who no doubt would have solved the problem overnight.
In the event we didn’t, and preferred to use ‘Aunt Sally’ tactics with disastrous results.
Putin obviously lacks our scruples, but we should not be surprised. After all both the Tsars and Stalin had no compunction at all in slaughtering thousands of fellow Polish Slavs and others.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 months ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

I don’t think he is ADVOCATING their use! I very much doubt that the Gurkhas would have ‘solved the Irish problem overnight’ because essentially the British had lost all political legitimacy among the Irish population by the time of the Anglo-Irish war. Defeating an insurgency with public support is very hard, short of using utterly brutal methods; we could not defeat the Provisional IRA in the small state of Northern Ireland after all. It is not at all likely that British public support for a policy of complete repression in Ireland could have been maintained, which of course is precisely why there was a truce and a negotiated settlement.

Last edited 7 months ago by Andrew Fisher
Philip Crook
Philip Crook
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

The reason why the Provos led by Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness decided to in effect sue for peace is that they realised that they could not defeat the British army. That sounds a bit like a military defeat.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Philip Crook

As indeed it was. However one must remember that ‘self praise is no recommendation’ mustn’t one?

John Lee
John Lee
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

The IRA were not operating out of Northern Ireland but out of the South with the complicity of the Irish government.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  John Lee

And the US Government via that odious organisation called NORAID, to which both Biden and Pelosi and countless others are closet supporters.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

The Gurkhas* plus Derek Wilford’s I Para and the 39 Brigade Commander, Frank Kitson would probably have ‘wrapped it up in six months’, but to the detriment of the future of the British Army it must, reluctantly be said.

(* An optional extra, which again it must be said.)

Marcia McGrail
Marcia McGrail
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Defeat them? Murderers who used the skirts of women to hide: cowardly bombs & bullets to achieve for them what democracy would not? How does a standing army achieve that? There are many historically divided islands that live with the status quo-trying to right a wrong perpetrated 00’s of years ago by murdering the descendents is an obscenity.

Philip Crook
Philip Crook
7 months ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

I was one of the Aunt Sally’s you refer to in the COIN operation known as Op BANNER. I do not recognise this Irish Rebellion you refer to at all. That had already happened after WW1 and resulted in the partition of Ireland leading to the present situation. The mention of the use of Gurkha units is a red herring and in any event would not have made any difference.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Philip Crook

Really! How extraordinary so was I. I hadn’t heard that dreadful acronym COIN before, how odious.
I cannot follow your logic. Yes there had been an Irish Rebellion between 1916-21, but after years of poverty and peace which lasted until 1969, there was the outbreak of Rebellion II, which the British Public quite happily endured for more than thirty years.*

I fail to see how the use of Gurkha troops is a “red herring” in the context of this article where the use of Muslim Chechens against Christian Slavs seems to be the point. I would have thought the parallels were obvious.

Incidentally thank God we didn’t use the Gurkhas and the philosophy of Derek Wilford and Frank Kitson and destroy the the IRA at birth. As you may recall this was the era of massive Defence cuts by Dennis Healey & Co, even the Agile & Suffering Highlanders** were almost disbanded despite their recent sterling service in Aden. In fact Ireland gave the Army another lease of life, a thirty year live firing training area, which would not have been the case had things been wrapped up in say 1971-2, would you not agree?

(* In answer to Andrew Fisher.)
(** Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders for the uninitiated.)

Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
7 months ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

‘In the early days of the Irish Rebellion 1969-1996 we could have deployed Gurkha troops, who no doubt would have solved the problem overnight.’

You couldn’t, otherwise you would have done so.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago

We could, but unfortunately Harold Wilson was a socialist worm. QED.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 months ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

Good point. Franco notoriously used Moroccan troops in his ‘reconquista’ of (Republican) Spain, who were noted for their brutality. They probably had no particularly good reason for loving the Spanish in general (there had been an ongoing colonial war which Franco put down).

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Nearly half the Free French Army in September 1944 was ‘black’.
They were later to be defrauded of their pensions by the French Government in 1959. C’est la vie!

Andy E
Andy E
7 months ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

>Russian Slavs will feel about Chechnya Muslims slaughtering their fellow Ukrainians Slavs
It seems the Chechens are annihilating Azov and similar n**i creatures. I hear they are not considered to be Slavs even by Ukrainian Slavs. People escaped from Mariupol held by Azov are telling things.

Martin Logan
Martin Logan
7 months ago

We need to start thinking about what happens should Putin fall.
It’s doubtful that Kadyrov would have any loyalty to the regime that replaces Putin. It’s also doubtful that any other Russian leader would be able to hold the country together. Certainly no one in the Duma has any legitimacy.
It would thus be very tempting for Kadyrov to expand into part of Ingushetia and other parts of the Caucasus.
Things may get as messy as during the Russian Civil War.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
8 months ago

Chechnya is an irrelevance.
Smaller that the island of Sardinia in both size and population, it is a mere pawn on the board.
In UK terms it would be like having the support of the Isle of Wight or in US terms, Rhode Island.

Last edited 8 months ago by ARNAUD ALMARIC
Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 months ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

Size is not everything, as the Spartans historically, among others, showed. Fighting spirit and a reputation for brutality can, unfortunately, mean that small units can punch well above their weight, especially in the context of a lumbering regular army made up largely of poorly motivated conscripts.

Last edited 7 months ago by Andrew Fisher
ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Sparta was destroyed by Epaminondas at Leuctra despite outnumbering them 10:7.
Normally, as Voltaire said “ God is on the side of the big Battalions “

Joe Donovan
Joe Donovan
7 months ago

In the noon-day sun in the Valley of Dagestan, I lay motionless with a bullet in my breast … Drop by drop my blood ran out.
So wrote Turgenev. The more things change …

Nick O’Connot
Nick O’Connot
7 months ago
Reply to  Joe Donovan

Someone else wrote that I think.

rick stubbs
rick stubbs
7 months ago

Somewhat disjointed claims none of which offer much conviction. Does the deployment of this force threaten UKR or is it a vanity play? Do these forces even speak Ukrainian and if not how well can they infiltrate or do their psych ops? Is their PR strategy just self aggrandizing or are they doing real damage? Try again

Neven Curlin
Neven Curlin
7 months ago

The first month of President Putin’s most recent invasion of Ukraine has not gone according to plan: the initial drive to Kyiv has stalled; his forces have sustained heavy losses; support from his inner circle has been tentative or lacking.

These are all assumptions, but you’re presenting them as fact! And that’s just the first paragraph of your piece. How do you expect me to continue to read?

Andy E
Andy E
7 months ago

>The first month of President Putin’s most recent invasion of Ukraine has not gone according to plan
I had to force myself over those first lines. (another idiot, I thought — how in the world you might know what the plan is!).
But in fact it’s a very thorough and deep look at the issue. I guess a stylistic analysis would show that the first and last paragrahs belong to one author and the rest is to another.

Dan Croitoru
Dan Croitoru
7 months ago

Another article from the bed wetting liberal magazine. Something closer to the truth: after 8 years of genocide against the Russian minority in Donbas and almost a complete takeover of Ukr by western funded crooks Russia had no choice but to intervene. It had no intention to take Kiev but had to position nearby in case the West invades.

Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Dan Croitoru
Dan Croitoru
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

…you don’t even engage with the argument. Silently and fearfully careful not to melt, you depose your dislikes… ha ha ha ha ha ha. C’mon warriors for freedom, that’s all you can do? Dislike and try to censor?

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

Be careful, the censorship on UnHerd in recent weeks has been absolutely dreadful. Far too many erudite commentators have simply ‘vanished’.

However let’s hear more about the 8 years of genocide, a few facts and figures would be a good start. Perhaps also something about the Ukraine’s first attempt at real independence in 1917 might also be useful.
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Dan Croitoru
Dan Croitoru
7 months ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

1917? Really? You can find about the Donbas genocide (from before 2010) on the web (of course not on neo-con/neo-lib sites such as UnHerd). For example, look for Donbas documentary (I think is now available on YT – Donbass – 2016. Documentary Anne-Laure Bonnel) I hope they did not remove it. Btw, they refused the screening of this doc on any TV channel in Europe.

ARNAUD ALMARIC
ARNAUD ALMARIC
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

1917. Ukraine gained quasi independence thanks to the Imperial German Army led by that military genius, one Max Hoffman.
Thanks for the YT info, I shall explore.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

8 years? It is a wonder there are any Russian speakers left! You haven’t actually provided any arguments, though you do tell a number of outright lies. Then again, you are a pro-Putin troll, or judging by your weird language, an outright nutter.

Shelling Kharkov, a Russian speaking city, to smithereens. What a brilliant policy promoting the brotherhood of the East Slav peoples!

Last edited 7 months ago by Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

It is a shame we can’t contribute to the wide ranging debate going on in Russia, that land of freedom, rather than this western hellhole. And of course we know how Putin is famed for his humanitarian interventions in Chechnya, Syria and now Ukraine.

There, as we all know, he constantly demonstrates his love of the East Slav and especially Russian speaking population of Kharkov by providing copious supplies and aid – oh no, he DOESN’T?! What the hell do you mean, he shells the city to smithereens?! You are a western liar!! Or, if you are not then the local commanders must be to blame!

Hail Putin, the glorious freedom loving leader of the Eastern Slavs (plus various Muslims etc..)

Last edited 7 months ago by Andrew Fisher
Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Nobody ever got shot going over the Berlin Wall to climb into the promised land of East Germany and it’s the same today. Plenty will criticise the West and Western democracies and leaders..not one would leave to live in Russia- let alone go there and criticise that leader.

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

weird

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan Croitoru

Are we bed wetters or are we crooks?. Something of a contradiction there I feel…