Previous reports have highlighted the fact that young men in Korea are required to undertake a period of military service which leaves them at a disadvantage in the job market compared to young women. It’s hardly equality when only men have to perform military service. There has been talk and token attempts to change this injustice but the problem still largely remains.
They have a point. Just look at Ukraine where all men of fighting age are banned from leaving the country while women are free to stay or go as they please. Some women stay to fight, but they are a minority and nobody is making them.
Women talk a lot about equality but continue to benefit from special treatment and privileges that they take for granted and sometimes don’t even recognise.
But women who get pregnant and have to take maternity leave, and can hardly keep up a high-powered career with multiple small children, ALSO have a built-in biological limitation in THEIR careers. Where is your compassion for them? Where is your admiration that they manage to do all of that work, plus caretaking of a husband and elderly parents, PLUS a paid job?
Why is your pity reserved for males who’re finally being asked to shoulder their burdens equivalent to what women have to endure? Smells like aggrieved entitlement.
Many young women now have no plans to have children until they are in their 30’s. In fact the latest data indicates almost none have children before age 30. They are concentrating on their careers, as is their right. The Russian (male) conscripts are between 18 and 22. In South Korea they are in their 20’s. I don’t see any reason why women of a similar age should not be subject to conscription and fight on the front lines.
Given that Ukrainian men are required to serve until they are in their 60’s, this isn’t even an equal imposition.
The difference between young men and young women and the limiters on their careers is this:
A man’s value is almost entirely manufactured by his own hands. Whereas, whether you like it or not, a woman’s value is largely built into her biology.
This is not meant to disparage anyone. Merely to point out that at a fundamental level, a woman will still be valuable to society even if her career gets sidetracked because she took time to raise a family, whereas a man who can’t build a life for himself and his potential mate is of little value as anything other than chattel. It’s not fair, it’s not nice, but it’s how things are and have been since there’s been a human race.
Julian Farrows
2 years ago
Feminists mistakenly believe patriarchal societies were built to suppress women. They were actually set up to keep men wholesome. The ancients knew that groups of disenfranchised young men were capable of causing huge amounts of trouble, which is why many societies were designed according to warrior codes.
A society that turns on its men will eventually turn on its women. We are witnessing the fruits of this in the transgender movement which aims to provide unviable men access to women’s bodies.
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Jane McCarthy
2 years ago
What “vile misogynistic” comments are you referring to? I’m a woman and I don’t see anything vile or misogynistic. I do see other points of view, which I value – I don’t have to agree with everything and I hope that hearing other points of view will help me to be more balanced and moderate.
Adam Bartlett
2 years ago
Interesting. It would be even more interesting to know if there’s any contemorary politician who does have policies for helping incels. Two hundred years back this was even a progressive cause. Charles Fourier, while arguably the person who coined the word ‘Feminism’, had a plan for a guaranteed sexual minimun so none would have to endure forced celibacy.
Jonathan Andrews
2 years ago
“Most troubling of all is the fact that despite a very low overall homicide rate, women in South Korea represent more than half of the victims, in stark contrast to the international average of 21%.”
That anyone is murdered is a terrible thing but that the writer thinks a 50-50 rate a terrible thing whilst a 80-20 with men taking the pain suggests a bias.
Women should have the same rights as men and, given their role as mothers maybe a few extra but this has got out of hand; some silly feminists want all the good stuff.
Wait.The majority of males commit murders.In S. Korea,they’re murdering more women, statistically, than they are in other countries.
You focus on “bias” when in fact almost 100% of the murders are committed by males is simply delusional.
DA Johnson
2 years ago
I agree with Jane McCarthy. I am also a woman and see nothing “vile” in any of the comments above. People labeling themselves as feminists can and do make dishonest claims and have self-serving agendas just like any other group, and it is right to point that out.
Mirax Path
2 years ago
I am female and feminist. I think the views expressed on Unherd are outdated and often misogynist, bristling with hostility against feminists. But I want to read them, these angry and frustrated views tell me where we are going wrong as a society. Feminism is not going to succeed as long as significant cohorts of men- often lowly educated and feeling displaced – exist. The call for censorship is ill-advised.
Mirax Path
2 years ago
I am female and feminist. I think the views expressed on Unherd are outdated and often misogynist, bristling with hostility against feminists. But I want to read them, these angry and frustrated views tell me where we are going wrong as a society. Feminism is not going to succeed as long as significant cohorts of men- often lowly educated and feeling displaced – exist. The call for censorship is ill-advised.
Michael Johnston
2 years ago
I see nothing here to suggest a belief that women are to be feared and loathed in the way that anti-Semites fear and loathe Jewish cabals, or that they’re genetically inferior as (real) white supremacists believe about black people. Are you able to provide a specific example of a misogyny in the comments on this article? That might help to clarify what you’re talking about.
Previous reports have highlighted the fact that young men in Korea are required to undertake a period of military service which leaves them at a disadvantage in the job market compared to young women. It’s hardly equality when only men have to perform military service. There has been talk and token attempts to change this injustice but the problem still largely remains.
They have a point. Just look at Ukraine where all men of fighting age are banned from leaving the country while women are free to stay or go as they please. Some women stay to fight, but they are a minority and nobody is making them.
Women talk a lot about equality but continue to benefit from special treatment and privileges that they take for granted and sometimes don’t even recognise.
But women who get pregnant and have to take maternity leave, and can hardly keep up a high-powered career with multiple small children, ALSO have a built-in biological limitation in THEIR careers. Where is your compassion for them? Where is your admiration that they manage to do all of that work, plus caretaking of a husband and elderly parents, PLUS a paid job?
Why is your pity reserved for males who’re finally being asked to shoulder their burdens equivalent to what women have to endure? Smells like aggrieved entitlement.
Many young women now have no plans to have children until they are in their 30’s. In fact the latest data indicates almost none have children before age 30. They are concentrating on their careers, as is their right. The Russian (male) conscripts are between 18 and 22. In South Korea they are in their 20’s. I don’t see any reason why women of a similar age should not be subject to conscription and fight on the front lines.
Given that Ukrainian men are required to serve until they are in their 60’s, this isn’t even an equal imposition.
The difference between young men and young women and the limiters on their careers is this:
A man’s value is almost entirely manufactured by his own hands. Whereas, whether you like it or not, a woman’s value is largely built into her biology.
This is not meant to disparage anyone. Merely to point out that at a fundamental level, a woman will still be valuable to society even if her career gets sidetracked because she took time to raise a family, whereas a man who can’t build a life for himself and his potential mate is of little value as anything other than chattel. It’s not fair, it’s not nice, but it’s how things are and have been since there’s been a human race.
Feminists mistakenly believe patriarchal societies were built to suppress women. They were actually set up to keep men wholesome. The ancients knew that groups of disenfranchised young men were capable of causing huge amounts of trouble, which is why many societies were designed according to warrior codes.
A society that turns on its men will eventually turn on its women. We are witnessing the fruits of this in the transgender movement which aims to provide unviable men access to women’s bodies.
What “vile misogynistic” comments are you referring to? I’m a woman and I don’t see anything vile or misogynistic. I do see other points of view, which I value – I don’t have to agree with everything and I hope that hearing other points of view will help me to be more balanced and moderate.
Interesting. It would be even more interesting to know if there’s any contemorary politician who does have policies for helping incels. Two hundred years back this was even a progressive cause. Charles Fourier, while arguably the person who coined the word ‘Feminism’, had a plan for a guaranteed sexual minimun so none would have to endure forced celibacy.
“Most troubling of all is the fact that despite a very low overall homicide rate, women in South Korea represent more than half of the victims, in stark contrast to the international average of 21%.”
That anyone is murdered is a terrible thing but that the writer thinks a 50-50 rate a terrible thing whilst a 80-20 with men taking the pain suggests a bias.
Women should have the same rights as men and, given their role as mothers maybe a few extra but this has got out of hand; some silly feminists want all the good stuff.
Wait.The majority of males commit murders.In S. Korea,they’re murdering more women, statistically, than they are in other countries.
You focus on “bias” when in fact almost 100% of the murders are committed by males is simply delusional.
I agree with Jane McCarthy. I am also a woman and see nothing “vile” in any of the comments above. People labeling themselves as feminists can and do make dishonest claims and have self-serving agendas just like any other group, and it is right to point that out.
I am female and feminist. I think the views expressed on Unherd are outdated and often misogynist, bristling with hostility against feminists. But I want to read them, these angry and frustrated views tell me where we are going wrong as a society. Feminism is not going to succeed as long as significant cohorts of men- often lowly educated and feeling displaced – exist. The call for censorship is ill-advised.
I am female and feminist. I think the views expressed on Unherd are outdated and often misogynist, bristling with hostility against feminists. But I want to read them, these angry and frustrated views tell me where we are going wrong as a society. Feminism is not going to succeed as long as significant cohorts of men- often lowly educated and feeling displaced – exist. The call for censorship is ill-advised.
I see nothing here to suggest a belief that women are to be feared and loathed in the way that anti-Semites fear and loathe Jewish cabals, or that they’re genetically inferior as (real) white supremacists believe about black people.
Are you able to provide a specific example of a misogyny in the comments on this article? That might help to clarify what you’re talking about.