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Tom Watson
Tom Watson
9 months ago

Worrying that this is news to many. We really do seem to live in two different narratives.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
9 months ago

Making children wear masks is simply criminal.

Judy Simpson
Judy Simpson
9 months ago

And considering how most of them are worn by the majority of children at school, completely useless.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
9 months ago
Reply to  Judy Simpson

They are useless regardless of how they are worn!

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
9 months ago

Among the talking-head sect it now appears to be en-vogue to lament the negative effects of masking children and treating them as vectors of disease. However, those same talking-heads were, until a few weeks ago, accusing anyone who made such a claim of being a racist, Trump-supporting, anti-vaxer who should be banned from social media, probably medical care, and maybe didn’t deserve to live at all. Watching them do a complete 180 in less than 2 weeks has been remarkable, and remarkably un-commented upon.

Forgive me if I’m not prepared to forgive them as quickly. These people have shown their true authoritarian colors. They are the enemy of freedom and liberty. Part of my evaluation process for all politicians and public figures going forward is this: where were you on the COVID insanity. The answer to that question tells me what kind of person you really are.

So, welcome to the sanity club, all you so recently converted media goons. But don’t expect a warm embrace from those who you disparaged for 18 months just for holding the very same views you do now. We remember.

Hakan Ensari
Hakan Ensari
9 months ago

It’s OK to change your mind.

H D
H D
9 months ago
Reply to  Hakan Ensari

Only if you have one.

David Dreebin
David Dreebin
9 months ago

That is a bit harsh, I think. But I don’t live in the U.S. so am not all that au fait with the situation. Agree that children should not be made to wear masks, two years after the pandemic started, especially in the classroom.
In the U.K. where I live, they also treated children as “vectors of disease” until recently. Thankfully, the tide is turning and masks are not mandated for children even at high school now.
I agree that in most countries, globally, Covid-19 and especially a milder variant like Omicron should now be treated as endemic and not as a pandemic now.

D Hockley
D Hockley
9 months ago

Should we let children catch Omicron?

LOL

Surely the last 2 years has taught you one thing: we have no means to stop them catching Omicron.

This outpouring of human hubris has already cost more than a world war. BASTA! ENOUGH!
Human hubris fought nature and nature won

Last edited 9 months ago by D Hockley
Michael K
Michael K
9 months ago
Reply to  D Hockley

A most foreseeable humiliation indeed.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
9 months ago

I have been fallowing Prasad for a long time, and I find him to be a part of the agenda, although now he is back pedaling more, as Bret Weinstein says in his Darkhorse Youtube, #112 – the title is ‘The Scramble To Protect The Elites’ as the agenda breaks down.
Prasad since the beginning has been for the official correct thing pretty much, although qualified on masks and age, even is wary boosters, and pro-vax – again, with conditions. But still is against a proper regimen of ‘Early Treatment’ as presented by Dr McCullough and his school of re-purposed medications given at onset of symptoms, . Covid is the world’s first ilnes which is not treated at the early stages – Why? To make fear so all get the vax, so the draconian Lockdowns and money printing are tolerated.

His Mantra through out his Great Many youtubes is ‘Randomized Control Studies.” That this is utterly contrary to what he says – Because the Vaccines did not really have these – so his entire foundation is on air. Anyway, he will not go for Ivermectin as he says no good, Random, studies exist. This is not true, 64 studies exist of some standards (Not full random/control) – all but one giving positive results. He also Quotes the one randomized study on hydroxychloroquine as showing it has NO benefit, wile that study is completely flawed as it was given at late stages – LONG after the virus was finished (This was given in Hospital a week to two after infection), the virus is gone by a week, it is the effects of the virus which the hospital fights, two weeks after infection), not early when hydroxychloroquine could help fight the virus and do good. It was a study designed to fail.

Anyway, I find the insistence on only trusting Random Control Studies Amazing; Because as he points out, none were done – the Trillions spent, the VAST might of the USA medical research, the 300 University Medical Schools who can do research, and None did the studies on early treatment re-purposing of existing, FDA approved, drugs! None dared as Fauci had forbidden it – because perfectly good medicines exist if used at symptom onset – and Fauci made it impossible to study them as it would cause ‘Vaccine Hesitancy’ if a treatment existed – and the agenda is ALL must be vaccinated. Also as the vaccines were on emergency license – ‘as no treatments exist’ then none better be found and make that license suspect.

Why does Prasad talk of how Politicized the medicines are – yet NOT talk of how research is Blocked totally by powerful Politicians (Fauci). He says he needs a randomized control study before he would use any medicines for covid; (and there was not even a real one on the Pfizer vaccine – the placebo group given the vax after a few months so it is all invalid – and was a tiny study) But does not mention WHY there are no studies on early treatments! Fauci can block any funding, any reputation, any chance of advancement in any medical research – Watch JF Kennedy Jr talk of his bestseller ‘The Real Fauci’ to see the depths of how the science was 100% Corrupted – but Prasad never mentions it – Much better experts exist – ones who have done very large uses of the forbidden medicines with great success…

Below is a 10 minute video of Prasad, note how he talks of no good studies – talks of the politicization of hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and a dozen others – but never mentions how the Medical/Pharma has stopped any studies being done. WHY are no studies done? He does not say. (answer is the agenda forbade it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOmj-s9HMgU

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
9 months ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

Cut him some slack…. He lives in San Francisco. Witnessing a beautiful and wealthy city slump to a dump in a short space of time must be heartbreaking.

Malcolm Ripley
Malcolm Ripley
9 months ago

Humans have evolved with an innate and adaptive immune system. Children are born with a very effective innate and “blank” adaptive. Over time peoples innate wanes as the adaptive gets stronger.

Humans have not evolved successfully over millions of years if this approach does not work. Humans would not have evolved successfully if being social animals WITH CHILDREN in social groups does not work.

Come on folks. There are far too many arrogant “experts” who try and bypass nature. Medicine , especially virology, fails to work with nature and instead thinks it can bypass or improve upon nature. That is a mistake we have made with viruses since the days of Edward Jenner.

We are currently at a stage where the vaccine industry behaves as if it is the ONLY solution to human disease……sheesh!

Kids catching disease they are effectively immune to and building herd immunity IS NORMAL.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
9 months ago
Reply to  Malcolm Ripley

Kids – and adults – dying in large numbers frrom epidemic disease is also NORMAL. Personally I would rather live with modern medicine than die naturally.

Trish Castle
Trish Castle
9 months ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

And you are perfectly welcome to do that Rasmus. That’s what freedom of choice is. It should be afforded to all. However, when it involves people for whom we need to make decisions, e.g. children, those decisions need to be made on the best evidence available. And the best evidence is that children’s innate immune systems and their basic physiology mean they can deal with Covid without intervention by “modern medicine”.

David Dreebin
David Dreebin
9 months ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Your second sentence appears to contradict your first sentence, Rasmus… or maybe not. I don’t like too much interference from modern medicine but, for me the vaccinations, two plus a booster, appear to have worked.

ralph bell
ralph bell
9 months ago

What an awfully sad state of affairs. I would call it child abuse , even though I imagine the adults think they are acting in the child’s bests interest.
I cannot imagine the effects on the children’s mental health and relationships, let alone the ‘Grit and self-confidence they may lack.
Of course the Western Worlds paranoia about health and safety has been worsening for years now, particularly regarding school children.

Jon Hawksley
Jon Hawksley
9 months ago

I do not understand why small scale studies are being extrapolated from when there should be data on 380 million cases and 5.7 million deaths. Governments have had two years to organise coherent data collection from their health services that give solid information on the health risk for each age group from catching a particular variant, the first or subsequent time and unvaccinated or after various doses of vaccine. Which causes more harm in a child – infection, vaccination and 2nd infection; vaccination, infection and 2nd infection; infection and second infection with no vaccination and so on? There is no science until there is solid data. Ditto on the deterioration in the RNA in each variant of the virus as they replicate over time. Surely old variants are not jostled out of place by new variants, over time they simply fail to replicate accurately enough. We need to learn – there will be another pandemic and the science is not nearly as good as it could be.

Iris C
Iris C
9 months ago
Reply to  Jon Hawksley

There are statistics which are not released unless requested through Access to Information. For example, we have only recently been told, that there were only 17,500 people in the UK who had Covid on their death certificate as the primary cause of death,

Last edited 9 months ago by Iris C
Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago
Reply to  Iris C

hat is a very interesting figure that I have not seen before. Could you possibly give me a link please.

Iris C
Iris C
9 months ago

It was in circulation through U-Tube but was also discussed on Radio 4’s “More or Less” programme, Wednesday ten days ago.

Rachel Lee
Rachel Lee
9 months ago

A Freedom of Information request to the Office for National Statistics reveals in 2020 and Jan. – Sept. 2021:
Total deaths from covid with no other underlying causes = 17,371
Of this number 13,597 were 65 or over
Average age of death in UK from covid in 2021 = 82.5 years
Data is based on death registrations in England and Wales Deaths from COVID-19 with no other underlying causes – Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)
The FOI figures are discussed here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
A further FOI request shows that from February 2020 to December 2021 there were fewer than 10,000 deaths where Covid is listed on the death certificate https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021

Paul Hughes
Paul Hughes
9 months ago
Reply to  Rachel Lee

6173 deaths of healthy people from Covid19 alone between Feb 2020 to Dec 2021.

SULPICIA LEPIDINA
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
9 months ago
Reply to  Paul Hughes

Crickey! the end of the world is nigh!

Last edited 9 months ago by SULPICIA LEPIDINA
Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago

It is if you’re one of those 6173, at least the end of their world.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago
Reply to  Rachel Lee

Thanks for this information and the links.

Total deaths from covid with no other underlying causes = 17,371
Of this number 13,597 were 65 or over
The problem with these figures is that they don’t tell us everything. For example, hat were the underlying causes?. It is quite possible to have an underlying condition which has very little effect on your life expectancy. These figures can conceal the fact that an economically active person who could look forward to a long and enjoyable life has died prematurly, and this is as tragic as the death of a person with no underlying conditions.. Also the fact that a person is over 65 doesn’t mean that his death is unimportant, this is always implied when commentators, doctors etc say things like “… and most were over 65”. I know I seem to be going on about this, but I find the implicit writing off of people contained in some statements lacking compassion.

Rachel Lee
Rachel Lee
9 months ago

Agreed, every number was once a living person. I just wanted to share the information in a non-judgemental way. For more discussion I recommend watching John Campbell’s youtube channel e.g. Freedom of information discussion – YouTube and in particular John gets ‘fact checked’ by BBC – YouTube. The key issue for me is whether the public health response – e.g. lockdowns, vaccinating people under 40 and vaccine mandates – has been proportionate or has it done more harm than good? I would suggest the latter.

Iris C
Iris C
9 months ago

I think if Covid was a secondary cause of death, the patient must have gone into hospital acutely ill with the named cause. .
It is not lack of compassion to analyse statistics. It is looking at the facts and assessing if more people died of Covid or of symptoms associated with lockdowns, etc. in order to make rational decisions in the future.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
9 months ago
Reply to  Iris C

This is not a matter of COVID being a ‘secondary cause of death’. This is matter of taking all the COVID deaths and excluding everybody who had any kind of pre-exiisting condition – which is most of them. Note that I think a majority of people over 60 have some kind of health condition. So if you have high blood pressure, asthma, maybe even arthritis, and could look forward to another 20-30 happy years if you had not caught COVID, this statistic will exclude you. Of course, if you can find a statistical trick that allows you to exclude most of the COVID-caused deaths, you can ‘prove’ that COVID is not dangerous. It may or may not be due to a lack of compassion, but you really are reading statistics in the way that the Devil reads the Bible.

James Longfield
James Longfield
9 months ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

There was talk back in 2020 (can’t remember who by) where a calculation was made about the average life years lost by people who had died of or with Covid and the figure came to around 10 months. Now when you consider that a number of the people who had sadly died at that time we’re under 65 (ie significantly below their life expectancy) and some even younger, then it is quite clear that the vast majority of people did not die prematurely. Certainly not something that should lead to policy outcomes that will negatively reverberate through society for many years to come.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
9 months ago

You would have to show me the link before I believed it. The number I remember is that people made a huge fuss about the average age of COVID deaths being the same as the average life expectancy. And someone had to point out that the average life expectancy of someone who had made it to 82 is ten years. If it was really true that the majority of those who died from COVID had only a few months to live, that would be the kind of claim that should be fairly simply to prove. A lot of people in this debate quote ‘evidence’ that strongly confirm their opinions – but that happens to be grossly misleading at best.

David Dreebin
David Dreebin
9 months ago

You’re quite right, actually. For example I have an inguinal hernia (in the groin), not yet operated on. If I were to catch Covid and died, then the hernia might be cited as an ‘underlying condition’ even though it (hopefully!) has very little effect on my life expectancy.
I have had Covid once, last September. But thanks to being double-vaccinated the symptoms were quite mild. I have now since had my booster vaccine (Pfizer).
Nevertheless, I still agree with most points in the article being commented on.

Last edited 9 months ago by David Dreebin
David Dreebin
David Dreebin
9 months ago
Reply to  Rachel Lee

Many thanks, Rachel. I think more people in the UK (where I live too) should be aware of these figures and statistics.

David Dreebin
David Dreebin
9 months ago
Reply to  Iris C

Staggering. That is only around 12% of reported deaths from (well, it should be “with”) Covid in the UK so far.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
9 months ago
Reply to  Jon Hawksley

This, as it happens, gives a perfect explanation of how virus evolution variants etc. work. Not evidence, no, but the correct story. It not about ‘fail[ing] to replicate accurately enough’.

Iris C
Iris C
9 months ago

Mask wearing has a downside. This was explained by James Nester on the basis that it is beneficial (in both the short and long term) to breathe through the nose and that those who wear masks, mostly breathe through their mouths (He is a member of the Royal Society and has written a book about Covid infections).
Besides that, there may be the possibility of carbon monoxide poisoning Even if this is only a minor consideration, common sense must tell us that it cannot benefit health to restrict the inflow and outflow of breath over long periods…

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago
Reply to  Iris C

CO2 poisoning, really, I find that hard to believe. However, I do agree that having to wear masks continuously for long periods can be difficult for many people, which is why I think they really only need to be worn inside among complete strangers where you are unsure about their health status.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
9 months ago
Reply to  Iris C

Iris C and Linda H – you will have to agree as to which gas you are talking about. Carbon Monoxide is not CO2.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

That is me I mis-read Iris’ comment for which I apologise, but – CO poisoning really?

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
9 months ago
Reply to  Iris C

1) I breathe through my nose when wearing a mask. So, would be my guess do most people.
2) Before trusting anything James Nestor says, note that he is a journalist (not a scientist) with a highly new-age take on breathing. He has nothing to do with the royal society, except that the journal of the Royal Society once reviewed on of his books.
3) If your common sense tells you that masks can cause carbon monoxide poisoning, that confirms Linda Hutchinsons comment that people’s common sense is not to be relied on much.

Last edited 9 months ago by Rasmus Fogh
Paul Hughes
Paul Hughes
9 months ago

Office Of National Statistics figures recently released following a Freedom of information Act application in the UK, show that between Feb 2020 and December 2021, three healthy people under the age of 20 died where Covid19 was the only cause of death. Yes that is 3.
The total of such deaths across all ages is 6173.
COVID-19 deaths and autopsies Feb 2020 to Dec 2021 – Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)
A postscript to this is that the ONS will not provide figures for child deaths as a result of vaccination due to small numbers involved and the potential breach of data protection rules.

SULPICIA LEPIDINA
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
9 months ago
Reply to  Paul Hughes

Thank you for that. So three, the number after two & before four!*
Simply staggering “……………this must rank as one of the greatest catastrophes since ‘we’ crawled out of the antediluvian swamp!

And who to blame? Why the Mekon!** The historian who had a damascene conversion to Science and was subsequently blinded by the light. Brilliant! Even Aeschylus couldn’t have made up such a tragedy.

(*The Holy hand grenade of Antioch: MP’The Holy Grail.)
(** Dominica Cummings Esq.)

Andrea X
Andrea X
9 months ago

“In the UK, face masks and Covid passports are no longer a legal requirement.”
In most of the the UK it is true, but if you find yourself in that garden if Eden that is Scotland or Wales (not sure about NI), they are both still very much a requirement, at least in theory.

“For children who are vaccinated, however, exposure at the lowest-risk age — roughly between kindergarten and middle school — could also be the safest way for young people to develop superior “hybrid” immunity.”

I am not clear, are they advocating vaccinating the very very young, pretty much toddlers?

Last edited 9 months ago by Andrea X
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
9 months ago
Reply to  Andrea X

Off course Northern Ireland is as bad as the rest!
Frankly for England, the wretched Union is like “being shackled to a corpse”.*
Not only do these parasites cost us a fortune, but their conduct during this recent Scamdemic has been a national embarrassment.

(* Eric von Ludendorff.)

stephen archer
stephen archer
9 months ago
Reply to  Andrea X

Well, the US is. I saw on the news (Swedish TV) this morning that the FDA had requested that Pfizer/Biontech submit an emergency use authorisation request for the vaccine to be used for babies 6 months and upwards. And who will give this approval? Why, the FDA!
Sweden has set the bar at approx. 12 years old and up. I’d set it at 50+.
For milder respiratory infections such as Omicron it must be better to let children develop some level of natural immunity. Babies should maybe be protected until their immune system is developed but NOT by using mRNA vaccines. Schoolkids can live as normal and get their colds, flu, RS-virus and other infections. Anything else is bordering on criminal.
I’ve given up hoping for anything positive or sensible coming out of Scotland, it just seems to get worse and worse even when I thought they’d hit rock bottom.

Last edited 9 months ago by stephen archer
Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago
Reply to  stephen archer

I agree that perhaps, for the Omicon version, children seem to be easily coping with the infection, but (there’s always a but) they can still pass it on, so there does need to be awareness when they visit or come into contact with older or more vulnerable people.

Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
9 months ago

When I had chickenpox at the age of eight, my grandmother stood at the end of the garden path to wave to me until I was better. Most children live with healthy adults in their thirties and their grandparents are often healthy adults in their fifties and sixties who have been fully vaccinated. Many are still working.
Most people have the common sense to manage their own families as they choose. They should be allowed to get on with it.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago

You have great faith in people’s common sense; I’m afraid I do not share your faith.

stephen archer
stephen archer
9 months ago

Why the downticks? She may well be referring to the lack of common sense displayed by large sections of the populations re. face masks, accepting lockdowns, taking a vaccine booster which has little effect on a mild variant of Covid.

Sheryl Rhodes
Sheryl Rhodes
9 months ago

I’m not sure why singling (presumably unvaxxed) babies out as vectors for disease transmission to vulnerable people makes any sense. At this point, we are ALL potential vectors for disease transmission.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
9 months ago
Reply to  Sheryl Rhodes

I said and implied no such thing here, I merely stated that I didn’t trust in peoples “common sense”. But, yes, I agree we are all vectors, and often children (i.e. school-age children) are vectors too, whether they should be vaccinated is an issue for discussion with their parents.

Andrea X
Andrea X
9 months ago

More to the point, I am not sure what difference it makes to another whether or it I am vaccinated…

James Longfield
James Longfield
9 months ago

You have identified yourself with the comment that “you don’t trust people’s common sense”. This is the key thing that is dividing society IMO. I’m sure you are well meaning when you want to impose your rules on people for their own good, but history has shown that this doesn’t end well

David Dreebin
David Dreebin
9 months ago
Reply to  Andrea X

I largely agree with you, Andrea. I am in favour of vaccines for adults and children aged 12 and over, but not for toddlers and younger children. Agree that especially for older adults, the vaccine is very effective in preventing severe symptoms (although it mostly does not stop anyone from catching the virus). Also, I don’t think families should be prevented from holidaying abroad if they happen to have children who are below the age of safe vaccination accompanying them (this does not apply to me BTW as I don’t have kids).

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor
9 months ago

The extraordinary range of responses to Cov2 should make one doubt whether any can be ‘following the science’ or there is solid evidence that they make or ever made any difference (excluding obvious things like vaccination and not having care workers shuttling between infected patients in hospital and elderly people in care homes). Up to now, the Omicron wave has followed a similar skewed rise and fall to several earlier waves, suggesting an internal dynamic, though (proviso again) there have also been ‘staircase waves’ (as in the UK after 28 July 2021) and that may be about to happen again. Yes, indeed, the keyword is ‘narrative’, and no need to stop at two: there can be as many as there are ways to string a few words together in a way that looks plausible or authoritative.

H D
H D
9 months ago

Bingo! There are too many variables to justify having a one-size-fits-all solution.

Kiat Huang
Kiat Huang
9 months ago

I’d prefer if govts quickly determine if a virus is much deadlier and more catchable than regular flu.

If it’s not, then no lockdown at all, let the country go about is businesse as normal, develop a vaccine and add it into the regular annual flu shots.

But if it is, do a rapid, short, total lockdown (including flights and ferries) to flatten the wave, then open the country back up. 2 weeks max.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiat Huang

Problem with this is that HK flu was more deadly…. Up to 4 million deaths and you can adjust that figure for todays population. No-one locked down. Lockdowns are a huge problem to society and I would prefer to never see this lunacy ever again.

Kiat Huang
Kiat Huang
9 months ago

The UK lockdowns have been overkill and I’m sure will kill off any further, long term lockdowns. The whole country knows how damaging it has been. The key enabler to “no lockdown” is that medical services must be able to cope effectively with presenting patients.

Kevin Casey
Kevin Casey
9 months ago

A sober and realistic appraisal of the kids and covid situation. I had a discussion with my GP a few days back, with regards to my not getting a booster shot, and even when I quoted articles such as this she still continued to stand firm with the government narrative. If our local GP and lazy journalists don’t get it what chance is there for the rest of us

Bashar Mardini
Bashar Mardini
9 months ago

Nothing less than a charter of children’s rights is due. What has been done to kids over the last 2 years is a crime against humanity. I hope the people who put these policies in place live long enough to read about their shameful legacies being torn to shreds and their names consigned to the garbage can of the history of human stupidity.

M. Gatt
M. Gatt
9 months ago

Yes. ( To answer the headline)

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
9 months ago

In London’s East End, there are both Omnicron and Omnicreg variants, known as ” The Vallance Road Syndrome”.. symptoms include iron burns on the back, and being bricked into motorway bridges ….

A S
A S
9 months ago

Not even sure if there was a choice .. my daughter is in third grade and I think probably in the last month alone, 75% of her school has had it. Probably no more than a few dozen were vaccinated (they caught it too). If anyone fared badly, I would have known. Question is, will the school ditch the masks by next month? My money is on “NO”.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
9 months ago

We can’t stop them so why try?

Paul Hughes
Paul Hughes
9 months ago
Reply to  Martin Smith

Sometimes one just has to make a futile gesture!

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
9 months ago

I’ve started mocking outdoor maskers. When I see one coming in the opposite direction, I clamp both hands over my face in imitation of a mask, and stare at the masker beseechingly.
I’ve also taken a solemn oath henceforth to refer to the disease as either Wuhan Flu or Chinese Flu.

Last edited 9 months ago by Drahcir Nevarc