Men in dresses threatening women and universities too craven and cowardly to stop it. You couldn’t make this stuff up. I’m totally ashamed at what Higher Education has become.
Having been trained by the Navy to write up-side-down and sometimes back-to front your disguised moniker was easily sussed. As I understand it – on the waterfront it is by name but not by nature.
“You couldn’t make this stuff up”
On the contrary, what’s happening today is the obvious, predictable outcome of decades of feminism.
Decades of barging onto male spaces (boy scouts, sports that women take no interest in and are awful at forced to become “inclusive”) or imposing women quotas in fields like IT.
All based in the principle that there are no biological differences, and any difference in outcome (only when in favour of men, of course) is therefore “sexism.”
Men wearing dresses barging on to female spaces using the exact same arguments that feminists have used.
And plenty of women are supporting trans for the same reason they helped cover up the grooming gangs: the diversity / patriarchy swindle is hugely beneficial for useless middle- upper class women with degrees in arts and studies, and a few male rapists being allowed into female prisons is worth it for them, the sisterhood be damned.
Blaming feminism is a red herring. I don’t think that you can deny the fact that women have been discriminated against in the past. And feminism was one way to try end that discrimination–yes it was flawed. (Aren’t all political organizations flawed?).
These men, are simply taking advantage of women’s desire to be allowed equal opportunity and women’s desire not to be button-holed because of their sex.
Did feminism plant the seed for this gender/trans garbage? Probably, but few, if any feminists would, at least in the past, would have allowed this misogyny and erosion of women’s rights to have happened.
But yes, it is discouraging how few present day feminist groups are screaming bloody murder about what these nasty men (and the corporations and academia that are enabling them) are doing. .
“don’t think that you can deny the fact that women have been discriminated against in the past”
If you were in the 18th century, being a woman sucked.
So did being a man though. I don’t think many women needed to go through the carnage of medieval warfare or work in soul destroying and horrendous risky industries or mines, with no safety net, to feed their families.
“These men, are simply taking advantage of women’s desire to be allowed equal opportunity”
Not equality of opportunity.
Equity.
Which means that women tennis players or footballers get paid the same, get a leg up for STEM courses even if no evidence of bias exists, and firefighters or police are forced to induct substandard women.
And yes, that’s being taken advantage of by these men.
No sympathies.
Your history is well askew. Women also worked in dangerous industries, as well as of course doing all the home drudgery and of course having no legal rights in marriage.
There is just a lot of illogic and contradiction in your arguments. You say women aren’t interested in ‘male’ sports. Well, some are and some are not, well, well! Some women want to play football; what is your beef with that? And you also seem to suggest women should not serve in the police force, an extraordinary position in 2022. Feminists do not on the whole argue that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
It’s a pity that in arguing against extreme identity politics and ‘wokeism’, many commentators in here just become out and out reactionaries, apparently wanting a return to the 1950s or something, which the population do not want, and makes them a politically irrelevant small minority.
Blaming ‘feminists’ for extreme trans activism when at least as many men are involved – probably more – is an example of pure sexism. To suggest that the ‘grooming gangs’ were somehow supported by women and opposed by men is an outrageous implication for which you can provide no evidence. The MP for Rotherham, Sarah Champion, long campaigned on this very issue.
The weird, partisan acceptance by the university, of actual hate speech by activists cannot be blamed on a desire for sexual equality and good treatment of one human by another. The vitriol and threatening abuse that is at issue here is illegal; the measured, academic debate around the conflicting needs of vulnerable groups is not. The university has a duty of care to protect its students from “hate speech” but it seems to have forgotten what that is: speech that incites violence and hatred. Some of the derogatory comments on here about “men in dresses” may play into the narrative that the UK is transphobic and that therefore violent dissent is warranted, but academics like Sanchez and Stock do not. They carefully and clearly re-iterate that they support trans-rights to protection under the law etc just not at the expense of the protection of other vulnerable groups. The threats and abuse such Academics are hounded with should be judged by their university on the basis of how violence- and hatred-inciting they are, not on who says them.
Spot on. Not to mention the amazing similarity between trans activists trying to shut down terfs, and feminists trying to shut down mens rights activists. All captured on video.
Indeed, you couldn’t make it up – next you’ll be telling me there’s a rapist turned masseuse (or perhaps masseuse turned rapist??) called Gooddewillee.
Neil Cheshire
2 years ago
The bravery and determination of Ms. Sánchez to fight back and hold Bristol University to account is admirable. Pathetic and concerning that a few TFs (Trans Fascists) masked up in black can intimidate and influence the administration and student body of a major university.
Yes it wouldn’t surprise me if, like Prof Stock, that it was University employees that were leading the charge and fomenting threats of violence. That’s maybe why the University is so desperately trying to hush it up.
Go girl!
It’s not just the media, it is large sections of the general public who are probably in the main unwitting accomplices to the worst of this madness. An example of this is a viral “Dr Phil” episode that features a disagreement between trans/gender fluid people and a “normal” man, the crowd clap everything the trans/gender fluid types say, even though in the main it is utter nonsense, which I am sure they would realise if they looked critically in the cold light of day.
In my humblest of opinions it is a form of mob/herd mentality based loosely on the fact that people are in general supportive of basic minority rights, but end up being used as useful idiots to support for more extreme and dubious movements and interpretations. People just don’t know, understand or care what they are actually ending up supporting beyond the superficial.
I suspect the crowd is a self selecting group of adherents, much like the ‘representative’ audience on Question Time. Many, many ordinary people won’t even know what they’re on about.
A young immigrant woman of color being viciously attacked by white boys in the name of Social Justice. If that doesn’t sum up Identity Politics, I don’t know what does.
In my company’s graduate program, I have seen multiple times diligent, smart, working class white or Asian males being rejected in favour of private school educated upper class females who were so far inferior, it was scarcely believable.
That is the fun bit about identity politics, It’s all about social and justice and equality in theory, but in practice is upside down.
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Justin Clark
2 years ago
I, like many, donated to her crowdfund to support her legal case and I hope she is successful. Disgusted at how she’s been treated and Prof. Kathleen Stock etc.
SULPICIA LEPIDINA
2 years ago
Men who wish to masquerade as women should be immediately castrated*rather like the Galli or Priests of Cybele.**
(* At their own expense & not on the sainted NHS.)
(** An ancient pre Christian mystery cult, that all to predictably, probably originated in the Middle East.
Karl Francis
2 years ago
Brave lady. Once more we see appalling bullying and abuse from the usual crowd of ‘enlightened, progressive’ thugs. Keep going and good luck Rosario!
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R Wright
2 years ago
Bristol seems to have more eunuchs in it now than in the 1700s.
Jacob Moses
2 years ago
I have a science PhD from the University of Bristol and was on the academic staff for 20 years. I am appalled by this treatment of another doctoral student.
Jonathan Andrews
2 years ago
I wonder how the university would react were a group of old fashioned men idiots (that is those not pretending to be women) behaved is this way, that is the we associate with the some of the worst behaviour that men engage in. Like violent, intimidating strikers (or anti-strikers) or football supporters.
It’s so hard to understand how men pretending to be women can behave in a manner so aggressively unlike the way in which women usually behave.
Mark Kerridge
2 years ago
i’m just wondering if the actions of trans activists are actually increasing negative sentiments towards trans people in general. i’m guessing the answer would be yes..
John Riordan
2 years ago
Why is it that this AA person gets to remain anonymous?
For the same reasons disclosed in the recent High Court case of Miller v The College of Policing and another. It was found that police forces were maintaining records of ‘non crime hate incidents’ whereby complaints were anonomised and ‘suspects’ (for want of a better word) were identified. This was the case where 2 officers turned up on Miller’s doorstep to ‘check his thinking’ after 1 person complained his Twitter joke was transphobic. Read the full judgement here – https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/miller-v-college-of-police-judgment.pdf
Michael James
2 years ago
Somehow we have to break the state-run university monopoly in academic research. Online rivals to the Open University may be the most promising approach.
James Caspian is an experienced psychotherapist who worked in Gender Identity services where he became increasingly aware of trans clients who regretted their decision and wished to detransition or had done so.
He applied to do Masters research on this subject at (I think) Bath Spa University. His proposal was initially accepted but later rejected because the University feared ‘negative publicity’. He was on TV at the time when he took his dispute with them to an EU Court. His case was lost on a technicality.
He insists that no research is being done on long term outcomes for those who transition and that The Tavistock and other GIDS do not routinely follow up their patients. So it’s not only Universities, the NHS would seem to be failing to conduct potentially important research too.
Jaden Johnson
2 years ago
Why are these activists accorded the benefit of anonymity? Whether it’s this case or Kate Clanchy or anyone else, people making threats should be clearly identified and held to account for their actions. Who is AA?
Michael Askew
2 years ago
It appears that the cowardice of university administrators knows no bounds.
mike otter
2 years ago
Bristol is just another fake Uni that needs closed and its buildings re-purposed to be used by the homeless, the needy and local communities. Add in St Andrews, Bath, Durham, Oxbridge and Canterbury and you could do a lot of good – and that’s just the ones that spring to mind. If you dig down i expect outside of TEM disciplines way more that 50% of uni courses and therefore their degrees are fake and worthless. Notice the S has gone from STEM – this is because life science now denies women exist and physics has been denounced by its own academics as “white supremacy”.
The undergraduate degree is where you get ’em; paying a fortune to leave home (all loans bestowed). Everyone gets a least a 2:1; that way you can definitely bank on them doing an MA, which also costs a fortune (all loans bestowed) but is necessary because the degree has left the student unfit for anything in-particular and competing with others, who all have MAs.
And then there’s the accommodation: I once overheard/eavesdropped on a crane driver on a train talking about his job. He mentioned that all the rental money per foot squared, wasn’t central London, it was in all the Student blocks that he was working on.
In our family, with two offspring the student debt is £115, 000 and rising. What a monumental rip-off it is.
Rory Hoipkemier
2 years ago
If all intelligent women in academia responded as Rosario Sanchez, we would not be in this appalling situation. Or maybe all intelligent people. Both Britain and the USA may need alternate higher educational systems to combat the rot, as the people with the power appear uninterested in encouraging a pursuit of the true, good or beautiful. I pray she sues the university and wins.
Chris England
2 years ago
Good luck to her- I hope she gets fully vindicated. We need more people like this
T Doyle
2 years ago
She’s a hero. Frightening what’s being allowed to persist.
William Shaw
2 years ago
This is mostly a women against women fight.
Men with any sense will stay on the sidelines and let them go at it.
Any male involvement will only provide the sisterhood with a common enemy against which they will redirect their fury.
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Tom Watson
2 years ago
One can sympathise, but ‘she has been diagnosed with a “prolonged adjustment disorder” whose symptoms include loss of concentration, energy and motivation’? Hadn’t realised being on a go-slow because you’re angry at your employer was now considered a disorder.
Feeling that your employer’s failed to take your concerns for your safety seriously? Distracted and unmotivated at work as a result? Couldn’t be that you’re angry at them and acting accordingly; you must have some sort of diagnosable mental disorder!
People can develop physical and psychological symptoms to psychological trauma. From what is described in the article, her experiences seem consistent with psychological trauma.
Men in dresses threatening women and universities too craven and cowardly to stop it. You couldn’t make this stuff up. I’m totally ashamed at what Higher Education has become.
Well said, even though my surname is actually ‘Craven’.
And I always thought you were Croatian 😀
It always makes me chuckle when people say that.
Ha ha- you’ve blown your cover now, Richard!
Having been trained by the Navy to write up-side-down and sometimes back-to front your disguised moniker was easily sussed. As I understand it – on the waterfront it is by name but not by nature.
uoy tnod yas!
“You couldn’t make this stuff up”
On the contrary, what’s happening today is the obvious, predictable outcome of decades of feminism.
Decades of barging onto male spaces (boy scouts, sports that women take no interest in and are awful at forced to become “inclusive”) or imposing women quotas in fields like IT.
All based in the principle that there are no biological differences, and any difference in outcome (only when in favour of men, of course) is therefore “sexism.”
Men wearing dresses barging on to female spaces using the exact same arguments that feminists have used.
And plenty of women are supporting trans for the same reason they helped cover up the grooming gangs: the diversity / patriarchy swindle is hugely beneficial for useless middle- upper class women with degrees in arts and studies, and a few male rapists being allowed into female prisons is worth it for them, the sisterhood be damned.
Blaming feminism is a red herring. I don’t think that you can deny the fact that women have been discriminated against in the past. And feminism was one way to try end that discrimination–yes it was flawed. (Aren’t all political organizations flawed?).
These men, are simply taking advantage of women’s desire to be allowed equal opportunity and women’s desire not to be button-holed because of their sex.
Did feminism plant the seed for this gender/trans garbage? Probably, but few, if any feminists would, at least in the past, would have allowed this misogyny and erosion of women’s rights to have happened.
But yes, it is discouraging how few present day feminist groups are screaming bloody murder about what these nasty men (and the corporations and academia that are enabling them) are doing. .
“don’t think that you can deny the fact that women have been discriminated against in the past”
If you were in the 18th century, being a woman sucked.
So did being a man though. I don’t think many women needed to go through the carnage of medieval warfare or work in soul destroying and horrendous risky industries or mines, with no safety net, to feed their families.
“These men, are simply taking advantage of women’s desire to be allowed equal opportunity”
Not equality of opportunity.
Equity.
Which means that women tennis players or footballers get paid the same, get a leg up for STEM courses even if no evidence of bias exists, and firefighters or police are forced to induct substandard women.
And yes, that’s being taken advantage of by these men.
No sympathies.
Your history is well askew. Women also worked in dangerous industries, as well as of course doing all the home drudgery and of course having no legal rights in marriage.
There is just a lot of illogic and contradiction in your arguments. You say women aren’t interested in ‘male’ sports. Well, some are and some are not, well, well! Some women want to play football; what is your beef with that? And you also seem to suggest women should not serve in the police force, an extraordinary position in 2022. Feminists do not on the whole argue that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
It’s a pity that in arguing against extreme identity politics and ‘wokeism’, many commentators in here just become out and out reactionaries, apparently wanting a return to the 1950s or something, which the population do not want, and makes them a politically irrelevant small minority.
Blaming ‘feminists’ for extreme trans activism when at least as many men are involved – probably more – is an example of pure sexism. To suggest that the ‘grooming gangs’ were somehow supported by women and opposed by men is an outrageous implication for which you can provide no evidence. The MP for Rotherham, Sarah Champion, long campaigned on this very issue.
Some women are wise, some foolish, ditto men.
The weird, partisan acceptance by the university, of actual hate speech by activists cannot be blamed on a desire for sexual equality and good treatment of one human by another. The vitriol and threatening abuse that is at issue here is illegal; the measured, academic debate around the conflicting needs of vulnerable groups is not. The university has a duty of care to protect its students from “hate speech” but it seems to have forgotten what that is: speech that incites violence and hatred. Some of the derogatory comments on here about “men in dresses” may play into the narrative that the UK is transphobic and that therefore violent dissent is warranted, but academics like Sanchez and Stock do not. They carefully and clearly re-iterate that they support trans-rights to protection under the law etc just not at the expense of the protection of other vulnerable groups. The threats and abuse such Academics are hounded with should be judged by their university on the basis of how violence- and hatred-inciting they are, not on who says them.
Savage, but f’cking great comment
Spot on. Not to mention the amazing similarity between trans activists trying to shut down terfs, and feminists trying to shut down mens rights activists. All captured on video.
Carl Trueman’s book, ‘The rise and triumph of the self’ is a fascinating history of changing ideas leading to this situation.
Indeed, you couldn’t make it up – next you’ll be telling me there’s a rapist turned masseuse (or perhaps masseuse turned rapist??) called Gooddewillee.
The bravery and determination of Ms. Sánchez to fight back and hold Bristol University to account is admirable. Pathetic and concerning that a few TFs (Trans Fascists) masked up in black can intimidate and influence the administration and student body of a major university.
The few trans fascists aren’t capable of intimidating a major university in their own.
It’s the support structure- media, the existing university admin, the various “rights” groups that provide them the muscle.
Yes it wouldn’t surprise me if, like Prof Stock, that it was University employees that were leading the charge and fomenting threats of violence. That’s maybe why the University is so desperately trying to hush it up.
Go girl!
It’s not just the media, it is large sections of the general public who are probably in the main unwitting accomplices to the worst of this madness. An example of this is a viral “Dr Phil” episode that features a disagreement between trans/gender fluid people and a “normal” man, the crowd clap everything the trans/gender fluid types say, even though in the main it is utter nonsense, which I am sure they would realise if they looked critically in the cold light of day.
In my humblest of opinions it is a form of mob/herd mentality based loosely on the fact that people are in general supportive of basic minority rights, but end up being used as useful idiots to support for more extreme and dubious movements and interpretations. People just don’t know, understand or care what they are actually ending up supporting beyond the superficial.
Yeh, but the comments on the YouTube video of that tell a different story.
Sure they wish to seem ‘progressive’
I suspect the crowd is a self selecting group of adherents, much like the ‘representative’ audience on Question Time. Many, many ordinary people won’t even know what they’re on about.
Dr. Phil is a clown and a fool.
A young immigrant woman of color being viciously attacked by white boys in the name of Social Justice. If that doesn’t sum up Identity Politics, I don’t know what does.
Sadly the SJWs don’t see the irony!
In my company’s graduate program, I have seen multiple times diligent, smart, working class white or Asian males being rejected in favour of private school educated upper class females who were so far inferior, it was scarcely believable.
That is the fun bit about identity politics, It’s all about social and justice and equality in theory, but in practice is upside down.
I, like many, donated to her crowdfund to support her legal case and I hope she is successful. Disgusted at how she’s been treated and Prof. Kathleen Stock etc.
Men who wish to masquerade as women should be immediately castrated*rather like the Galli or Priests of Cybele.**
(* At their own expense & not on the sainted NHS.)
(** An ancient pre Christian mystery cult, that all to predictably, probably originated in the Middle East.
Brave lady. Once more we see appalling bullying and abuse from the usual crowd of ‘enlightened, progressive’ thugs. Keep going and good luck Rosario!
Bristol seems to have more eunuchs in it now than in the 1700s.
I have a science PhD from the University of Bristol and was on the academic staff for 20 years. I am appalled by this treatment of another doctoral student.
I wonder how the university would react were a group of old fashioned men idiots (that is those not pretending to be women) behaved is this way, that is the we associate with the some of the worst behaviour that men engage in. Like violent, intimidating strikers (or anti-strikers) or football supporters.
It’s so hard to understand how men pretending to be women can behave in a manner so aggressively unlike the way in which women usually behave.
i’m just wondering if the actions of trans activists are actually increasing negative sentiments towards trans people in general. i’m guessing the answer would be yes..
Why is it that this AA person gets to remain anonymous?
For the same reasons disclosed in the recent High Court case of Miller v The College of Policing and another. It was found that police forces were maintaining records of ‘non crime hate incidents’ whereby complaints were anonomised and ‘suspects’ (for want of a better word) were identified. This was the case where 2 officers turned up on Miller’s doorstep to ‘check his thinking’ after 1 person complained his Twitter joke was transphobic. Read the full judgement here – https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/miller-v-college-of-police-judgment.pdf
Somehow we have to break the state-run university monopoly in academic research. Online rivals to the Open University may be the most promising approach.
James Caspian is an experienced psychotherapist who worked in Gender Identity services where he became increasingly aware of trans clients who regretted their decision and wished to detransition or had done so.
He applied to do Masters research on this subject at (I think) Bath Spa University. His proposal was initially accepted but later rejected because the University feared ‘negative publicity’. He was on TV at the time when he took his dispute with them to an EU Court. His case was lost on a technicality.
He insists that no research is being done on long term outcomes for those who transition and that The Tavistock and other GIDS do not routinely follow up their patients. So it’s not only Universities, the NHS would seem to be failing to conduct potentially important research too.
Why are these activists accorded the benefit of anonymity? Whether it’s this case or Kate Clanchy or anyone else, people making threats should be clearly identified and held to account for their actions. Who is AA?
It appears that the cowardice of university administrators knows no bounds.
Bristol is just another fake Uni that needs closed and its buildings re-purposed to be used by the homeless, the needy and local communities. Add in St Andrews, Bath, Durham, Oxbridge and Canterbury and you could do a lot of good – and that’s just the ones that spring to mind. If you dig down i expect outside of TEM disciplines way more that 50% of uni courses and therefore their degrees are fake and worthless. Notice the S has gone from STEM – this is because life science now denies women exist and physics has been denounced by its own academics as “white supremacy”.
The undergraduate degree is where you get ’em; paying a fortune to leave home (all loans bestowed). Everyone gets a least a 2:1; that way you can definitely bank on them doing an MA, which also costs a fortune (all loans bestowed) but is necessary because the degree has left the student unfit for anything in-particular and competing with others, who all have MAs.
And then there’s the accommodation: I once overheard/eavesdropped on a crane driver on a train talking about his job. He mentioned that all the rental money per foot squared, wasn’t central London, it was in all the Student blocks that he was working on.
In our family, with two offspring the student debt is £115, 000 and rising. What a monumental rip-off it is.
If all intelligent women in academia responded as Rosario Sanchez, we would not be in this appalling situation. Or maybe all intelligent people. Both Britain and the USA may need alternate higher educational systems to combat the rot, as the people with the power appear uninterested in encouraging a pursuit of the true, good or beautiful. I pray she sues the university and wins.
Good luck to her- I hope she gets fully vindicated. We need more people like this
She’s a hero. Frightening what’s being allowed to persist.
This is mostly a women against women fight.
Men with any sense will stay on the sidelines and let them go at it.
Any male involvement will only provide the sisterhood with a common enemy against which they will redirect their fury.
One can sympathise, but ‘she has been diagnosed with a “prolonged adjustment disorder” whose symptoms include loss of concentration, energy and motivation’? Hadn’t realised being on a go-slow because you’re angry at your employer was now considered a disorder.
Great joke Mr Unfeeling. Marvellous contribution to an Unherd discussion – and handy to know you’re around.
No joke, thought it was rather an interesting example of what Mary Harrington’s talking about here actually – https://unherd.com/2022/01/the-importance-of-an-angry-woman/
Feeling that your employer’s failed to take your concerns for your safety seriously? Distracted and unmotivated at work as a result? Couldn’t be that you’re angry at them and acting accordingly; you must have some sort of diagnosable mental disorder!
People can develop physical and psychological symptoms to psychological trauma. From what is described in the article, her experiences seem consistent with psychological trauma.
Neanderthal level thinking.